I think it happens when you crave the truth to the marrow of your bones drawn from existentialist questions which arise from within. Part of this comes with maturity, the other part in the development of your Ti (as Ti longs for accuracy and refinement of what is true). The sort of questions that arise, say, "What are my patterns? Why do I do this? Why am I here? What am I willing to sacrifice in the pursuit of harmony over truth or truth over harmony? What is my purpose? What is imagined? Where am I blind? What is true?". The hiding is due to self-forgetting. You lose yourself in another's eyes. You forget what you value, suppressing it because often people are content with this. They end up getting familiar with being placed in the light, while you are in their shadow. Over time, I think what occurs is that you end up with all these fragments of other people adhered to you, and until you wake up to that, you will continue to hold their values as paramount to your own. The waking up part is painful due to the disillusionment that happens. You end up testing your relationships on whether they can stand against the real you, once found and lived out. I think that's why a lot of INFJs end up alienated in the end because so many people in their lives are content with them being an extension of their 'mouth, hands, and feet' outside of themselves. When you recognize this behavior, it is utterly disheartening. The difference with INTJs, is that they don't put up with it, and will force you to face yourself and your own values. They don't really 'need' you to be anything but yourself, because they don't really need anything from you that they cannot give themselves. I find this refreshing. The closest INTJ to me, has a telos of 'elucidating the logos of the world', wherein he feels called to guide others to see the parts of themselves which need refining in truth. I think this is the ultimate gift of any INTJ. INTJs have an uncanny ability in seeing us (INFJs), slicing through the bs (for lack of a better term), and calling out what we need to see. I draw them in often, especially online. There is a necessary violence there that promotes growth. If you understand that it is ultimately for your benefit, you'll allow yourself to be held in their hands, and further beneath their scrupulous lens. The pleasant nature of this is that you end up changed for the better, despite any pain incurred in the process. Ironically enough, we serve as the same mirror to them. They feel seen and understood by us, because they are. It is satisfying to be seen, to be refined, and to be given the chance to live without any alternate personas. You can be yourself with an INTJ, and they can be themselves with you. There is beauty in that. I've also felt an esoteric pulling to INTJs, an otherworldly or transcendental connection that happens with no one else. We can see one another through the haze. This can occur with INFJ-INFJ relationships, but can be wearing, as it takes a lot longer to dismantle the masks the other wears-- the propensity for self-forgetting can lead to a lot of bitterness, if not kept in check. *I typed most of this comment before listening to the podcast, and it was all confirmed in your discussion. Haha. Glorious Ni, I suppose.
This comment is so beautiful it has made me tear up. Especially this part - "you forget what you value" - because this is such an important reminder. I believe in our very young age we *do* know who we are, but when we don't find anyone out there to confirm it, we get lost in others and forget. I won't paraphrase because your words are incredible and should stand on their own. Thank you so much.
@@YourNeverSleepingBeauty Thank you for the response, and for putting out thoughtful videos that help me to grow. I don't always comment, but I do listen intently. It is a comfort to know that there are others out there that speak a language so close to my own. You are appreciated more than you know.
@@YourNeverSleepingBeauty my personality recently changed from INFJ to INTJ, and i feel like i have been helping myself a lot, and really feeling my cognitive functions, do you guys feel like our cognitive function is kind of a defense mechanism or a protective shield, or do you think it just signifies growth? because i think when we go through life-changing events, we kind of just know how to protect ourselves more. but at the core i still feel or relate more to infj
As an aside to my other comment, this was a thoroughly enjoyable conversation to listen to. I appreciate you both taking the time to demonstrate how valuable these relationships can be.
The other day I was invited to go (and went) with an acquaintance to a govt. office and sit around for over an hour and wait for our number to be called. I laugh afterwards because how many people would accept that kind of invitation? What an interplay too! Who would ask someone to do something that's such a universally hated necessity? The thought process that made me jump at the opportunity is curious. I sensed a necessity in it that most would never see. I only know myself (I think) and it seems like as an INFJ we are never satisfied and are always trying to help someone or ourselves. I wonder how many other types are doing the same with the same intensity? As an INFJ, with a lot of kindness, honesty, and fun, will have defenses fall and then will expose ourselves more and more. We seem often oblivious to a lot but I will be aware and store in my mind the smallest of gestures, thoughts, feelings and sounds and use it as a potential piece to the puzzle. Inconsistencies are really a struggle to try to figure out what's going on. We need more information and at some point we can either accept them or not. I can't imagine an INFJ that is not an idealist.
I love your comments. Anyone who reads them thoughtfully can learn something. It is so true about when the defenses fall. It can be trust in another person which causes this, or exactly what you said, honesty and fun, because when we stop taking ourselves so seriously, we can put more out there and see what happens from a place of curiosity. It's a glorious place to be and I am thankful for this comment, because you have expressed what it's like to be in that place, therefore showing your awareness of yourself. Thank you.
I just love the interaction ♥️, had a right old laugh Never Sleeping Beauty. It’s my friends catchphrases … “hey, let me point out something obvious, luv …’ and I would take offence to it initially until she’d explain it …. And I’d say ohhh right, haven’t thought of that dear”.. obviously is her favourite word 😒 and we’d laugh our asses off. You brought back a lot of memories, Had to pause several times, I deeply miss her. His accent warms my heart, it’s how she spoke too …. I couldn’t stop laughing and crying through out. September was a difficult month for me, 28th was her birthday and the same month she passed away. It amazes me how listening to your interactions brought a-lot of memories buried in my mind that I can’t seem to get from her list of her favourite songs. Frankly I don’t know if she’s INTP or INTJ as she was immature just like I was. This conversation bless me soo so much dear, I could ramble on forever how much I can relate 💔 The biggest laugh I got …. is in the ending , reminds me when I ended my friendship with her, her name is Muna (nickname her My Muse) after some stupid argument. I would say “Goodbye and Good riddance” … only to to greet each other after a couple of days with “Good day, Missed ya muppet ”… the lack of emotional support gosh I had to laugh 😂 (it was annoyingly frustrating but now I miss it too) and not too long we’re old chumps again ironically cuz we were young and yet felt like we were kindred spirits, known each other for such a long time. Thank you for sharing this, I had to comment after listening for the 10th time. I’m still grieving for what could have been, I would assume we would have a similar interaction to you and your loved one, had she been alive today, she would be 36 years old now. RIP Muna, always in my heart, in my memories and in our songs we shared, never forgotten 😢 thank you again I can’t say it enough.
I'm so sorry. It's the "what could have been" that is so difficult after a loss. Grief is a heavy weight - I know it well - so I am glad to hear you were able to find some comfort in our words as you remember your friend.
It’s comforting dear, I wonder if given a divine opportunity to see what become of me, what would she say, what would she think of me? Would she be disappointed in me or would she be deeply upset or happy and deeply honoured that after many hardships I’ve endured I have kept moving forward and still held her memories in my heart and mind. Muna rarely get emotional about things, but there were times I felt loved and honoured to see her get emotional when I share my traumatic experiences with her. I felt I can completely trust her. That’s a big thing for me, I struggle with trusting others and she knows it too. I wonder How would a loved one react after losing someone close to them especially INTP and INTJ or vice versa? I’m more intrigued by the latter as I haven’t found a video on RUclips about it.
I believe grief, even though it is a universal emotion, is intensely personal. Your type does have bearing on how you would react, because emotions are things which must be processed, but it's still a very personal thing. And that's because relationships between two individuals are unique things. Each person brings their own perspective and experiences to the table and together, they create new perspectives and experiences. If Muna truly loved you as a real friend should (and that seems the case here from what you've shared), she could only be happy that you are moving forward in life. When we truly love another, we want what's best for them in life, and for them to grow and develop.
Really like this episode. You should do more collaborations. Your tone kinda changed too.. sounds…. Happier. Like that next growth pain has passed. Which I know makes us feel as listeners happy for you. Keep it up
I can understand why you noticed this change of tone. This is the first time I've had a conversation with someone on my channel. All my other videos are just me talking into a recording device, so there's no one to react to (even though I imagine I am speaking to all of you). But you are right about the happiness ... how I would react depends on the person and yes, I am happy in this conversation because of the person 😊
Thank you for sharing that wonderful interaction. Now that I've grown in self awareness I enjoy the sensation of being seen as long as the person has good intentions. I recently took a new job based primarily on the fact that my would-be boss had seen who I was immediately. I could tell by the questions he was asking and the curious way he was looking at me when he asked them, if that makes sense. I believe he's an ENTJ, a type I usually understand and enjoy, and I feel similarly with ENFJ's. After hearing your discussion I'd like to meet an INTJ socially, it sounds like you must have fascinating conversations.
What a great opportunity to work for someone who truly appreciates you and what you bring to the table. I feel like you and I have perhaps had this conversation before in the comments somewhere, but I agree that ENTJ sees something interesting in us and "gets it". I mentioned in this video how INTJs seem to find me first; I would say the same in a similar way for ENTJ. I know they see me, or see something in me that gets their attention. What you've said here gives me even more confirmation, so thank you for sharing your thoughts. And yes, we have many fascinating conversations! I've found once you're at a certain level of trust together, you can quickly access that "space" (I call it the Ni space for lack of a better term) in conversation, and explore around together.
My take, as an INFJ, on the INTJ. First off, we are both equally aware of of the collective Ni blind spot society suffers from. However, INTJs are for more powerful advocates for Ni than INFJs due to their lesser need to harmonize with others. Yes, I agree that INTJs can spot INFJs as fellow "weirdos" before we spot them. I think that the absence of Fe in the INTJ function stack, their harshness, at times, and their arrogance makes it hard for me to deeply bond with them. I do recognize how intellectually engaging they are and appreciate this about them. They are definetly somebody I want on my work team, but that's as far as I can go with them.
In my experience as an INTJ, the INFJ males seem very intimidated by me. They always would be hiding behind this silly grandiose idea of being better than they actually are, and every time I would show them their hypocrisy I would be called insensitive and arrogant. Unfortunately, most INFJ men are as pretentious as they get and have a very inflated view of themselves, as if they were some kind of martyr to benevolence. They seem to think they are so not-narcissistic and so good intentioned that they actually are narcissistic in that. Most INFJs see themselves for what they are outwardly, but know nothing of what they actually are inwardly. They are simply perfect and well-intentioned with nothing on work on other than their self sacrificial nature, how arrogant of them.
I loved the interaction between the two of you. After listening to this video, it has become clear to me that a friend of mine might be an INTJ. When I interact with most people I am drained and need to withdraw. Strangely enough he does not drain me. I actually feel inspired which is rare for me. I’m usually the one bringing that energy. We are so much alike but yet different. I thought maybe he’s also an INFJ but he’s waaay more direct. Over the years I’ve known him, I am so amazed at the growth Ive experience now I know why. Thanks again for helping me in my journey of knowing. I LOVE it!!
When you find friends who inspire you, they are keepers for sure. Happy you have someone like this in our life. Even though you are amazed at the growth you've experienced, I would guess he has also grown from your interactions. It's a beautiful dynamic.
I was looking for your channel for weeks. Glad to be back! Also, I agree with the catalyst part, my work partner told me that I don't admit my mistakes, but his example wasn't adding up, although I knew exactly what he meant. I explain things I don't have to and it comes off as making excuses when I can just admit it and move on. That led me to realize that I tend to cause conflict in simple things, and a nice workaround would be to naturally trust myself and stop projecting my doubts onto him, and yes he is somewhat like me, an INTJ because I can apply the same criticisms to him, but it wasn't necessary to bring it up. I appreciate his honesty though, so he did help me, in not so obvious ways
Over explaining can sometimes look like guilt, even if it isn't, so I can see why your work partner came to this conclusion. Either way, you learned something from him which helped you personally, and that is what's important.
I think that intj's are to an infj a personal counselor of sorts. They have. More mature aspect to their feelings that they can correct in us. We as feelers tend to yoyo back and forth weighing everything, but with the intj...they already through emotional and intellectual experience already know the blazed way. We as infj's can't seem to trust anything outside ourselves until we feel it in ourselves with our own equipment of understanding. Our own weights...our own choice.
Hi! I have a funny question...I think 😬 AND I sincerely do not want to hurt anyone's feelings here!! I do not understand when people comment why they do not use punctuation. It makes it so hard to read especially when the comments are written from INFJ'S because they are always very long heartfelt comments. I am not the grammar police and always worry about my writing skills SO I am not a know it all....because I do NOT know it all!! Just curious as to why some people do not use periods at the end of sentences. 🌷🙏🥰 P.S. I have been told that I love to use exclamation points too much AND that I always capitalize words to show my feeling. Of course I do! I am a very passionate person!!😆💝
I don't understand the need for this comment. If you sincerely didn't want to hurt feelings about something so trivial, then you wouldn't say it to begin with. If you are speaking of Mr. JohnnyO than you should know that he is dyslexic, which means he has difficulties in this way. Please have more empathy and compassion before posting about something so unnecessarily. I hope this clears up your confusion.
I'd like to give you a piece of advice, if I may. Let others be who they are, outside of your expectations, and your life will be easier overall. Focus on that which is yours to focus on, within the realm of your own control (your own reactions, choices, and comments). Others will be who they are regardless, so freeing yourself of this mentality to 'control' how others should or should not be, will prove more fruitful in giving you balance henceforth. As for punctuation, I can understand why it is important to you, as it helps with semantics. The entire point of conversation is to understand and to be understood, but as Christopher alluded to, we can only do this if we are willing to look past our judgments. I hope you can grow past that part of yourself, as it is entirely learned, and was something I had to do as well.
I am terrible sorry! No, I do not want to hurt anyone feelings. I never have. I thought the comment was very well written. I have noticed - not just here - but at other times there is no period at the end of sentences which makes it hard for me to understand. I always want to understand what the person is saying because many times it is the comments that have taught me and helped me more than you will ever know! The last 40 years of my life and my inheritance was all stolen/spent by a malignant narcissist....my ex husband! I also just learned that I am am INFJ. So I have been researching everything to make sense of my life. The reason I am telling this to you is that the comments have given me so much insight and have saved me! Again, as an HSP I never EVER want to hurt someone and I am sorry that I have! I will reread your comments and take them to heart. That I promise! 😬🌷🙏
@@loref4200 HI! My heart is broken. I feel like crying! Again, I am sorry! It absolutely never occurred to me that someone who could write so well would be dyslexic. I am an empath too and that is exactly what got me into the biggest mistake of my life. Your never sleeping beauty has helped me tremendously. I know you are right! I am not educated so therefore your first comment was very deep and I have to look up some of the meanings of the words. Also, I still am learning about how my brain works so sometimes things I didn'tunderstand! One thing for sure is that I definitely know what Ni means. My Ni never ever EVER turns off! I will go to my grave in absolute shock at what has happened to me AND my daughter! I just didn't know what NPD was! I didn't know that I am an empath trying to save the world. I will go to my grave for not leaving years ago! I didn't want my daughter who is adopted from China to go through a divorce. Here is an example of a comment from someone that is burned in my mind. "It is better to be from a broken home then to live in one." 😔😢 Again, I am sorry to upset OR hurt anyone!🌷🙏
@@kimkeck6266 Do not worry about this further. Be kind to yourself too. We are all still learning how to live and be in this world. I don't think your intention was malicious, nor your motivations to harm those who have a different manner of speaking. You're aware now, and that's the first step in learning _anything_ of value. I'm sorry to hear of your struggles with the divorce, and I hope that you and your daughter can heal together. It is lovely that you've given her a home with you. I wish you both peace as you navigate this new journey. Have a nice rest of your day, Kim.
I think it happens when you crave the truth to the marrow of your bones drawn from existentialist questions which arise from within. Part of this comes with maturity, the other part in the development of your Ti (as Ti longs for accuracy and refinement of what is true). The sort of questions that arise, say, "What are my patterns? Why do I do this? Why am I here? What am I willing to sacrifice in the pursuit of harmony over truth or truth over harmony? What is my purpose? What is imagined? Where am I blind? What is true?".
The hiding is due to self-forgetting. You lose yourself in another's eyes. You forget what you value, suppressing it because often people are content with this. They end up getting familiar with being placed in the light, while you are in their shadow. Over time, I think what occurs is that you end up with all these fragments of other people adhered to you, and until you wake up to that, you will continue to hold their values as paramount to your own. The waking up part is painful due to the disillusionment that happens. You end up testing your relationships on whether they can stand against the real you, once found and lived out. I think that's why a lot of INFJs end up alienated in the end because so many people in their lives are content with them being an extension of their 'mouth, hands, and feet' outside of themselves. When you recognize this behavior, it is utterly disheartening. The difference with INTJs, is that they don't put up with it, and will force you to face yourself and your own values. They don't really 'need' you to be anything but yourself, because they don't really need anything from you that they cannot give themselves. I find this refreshing.
The closest INTJ to me, has a telos of 'elucidating the logos of the world', wherein he feels called to guide others to see the parts of themselves which need refining in truth. I think this is the ultimate gift of any INTJ. INTJs have an uncanny ability in seeing us (INFJs), slicing through the bs (for lack of a better term), and calling out what we need to see. I draw them in often, especially online. There is a necessary violence there that promotes growth. If you understand that it is ultimately for your benefit, you'll allow yourself to be held in their hands, and further beneath their scrupulous lens. The pleasant nature of this is that you end up changed for the better, despite any pain incurred in the process. Ironically enough, we serve as the same mirror to them. They feel seen and understood by us, because they are. It is satisfying to be seen, to be refined, and to be given the chance to live without any alternate personas. You can be yourself with an INTJ, and they can be themselves with you. There is beauty in that.
I've also felt an esoteric pulling to INTJs, an otherworldly or transcendental connection that happens with no one else. We can see one another through the haze. This can occur with INFJ-INFJ relationships, but can be wearing, as it takes a lot longer to dismantle the masks the other wears-- the propensity for self-forgetting can lead to a lot of bitterness, if not kept in check.
*I typed most of this comment before listening to the podcast, and it was all confirmed in your discussion. Haha. Glorious Ni, I suppose.
This comment is so beautiful it has made me tear up. Especially this part - "you forget what you value" - because this is such an important reminder. I believe in our very young age we *do* know who we are, but when we don't find anyone out there to confirm it, we get lost in others and forget. I won't paraphrase because your words are incredible and should stand on their own. Thank you so much.
@@YourNeverSleepingBeauty Thank you for the response, and for putting out thoughtful videos that help me to grow. I don't always comment, but I do listen intently. It is a comfort to know that there are others out there that speak a language so close to my own. You are appreciated more than you know.
@@YourNeverSleepingBeauty my personality recently changed from INFJ to INTJ, and i feel like i have been helping myself a lot, and really feeling my cognitive functions, do you guys feel like our cognitive function is kind of a defense mechanism or a protective shield, or do you think it just signifies growth? because i think when we go through life-changing events, we kind of just know how to protect ourselves more. but at the core i still feel or relate more to infj
Listening to this reminds me my own conversation with INTJ. 🙂
It's the snap point when you realize people only want to be around you to use you for what you have.
This resonates sooooo much!!! I love my INTJ!!!
As an aside to my other comment, this was a thoroughly enjoyable conversation to listen to. I appreciate you both taking the time to demonstrate how valuable these relationships can be.
Thank you. I love your comment, you get it.
@@roggies2008 My pleasure.
The other day I was invited to go (and went) with an acquaintance to a govt. office and sit around for over an hour and wait for our number to be called. I laugh afterwards because how many people would accept that kind of invitation? What an interplay too! Who would ask someone to do something that's such a universally hated necessity? The thought process that made me jump at the opportunity is curious. I sensed a necessity in it that most would never see.
I only know myself (I think) and it seems like as an INFJ we are never satisfied and are always trying to help someone or ourselves. I wonder how many other types are doing the same with the same intensity?
As an INFJ, with a lot of kindness, honesty, and fun, will have defenses fall and then will expose ourselves more and more. We seem often oblivious to a lot but I will be aware and store in my mind the smallest of gestures, thoughts, feelings and sounds and use it as a potential piece to the puzzle. Inconsistencies are really a struggle to try to figure out what's going on. We need more information and at some point we can either accept them or not. I can't imagine an INFJ that is not an idealist.
I love your comments. Anyone who reads them thoughtfully can learn something. It is so true about when the defenses fall. It can be trust in another person which causes this, or exactly what you said, honesty and fun, because when we stop taking ourselves so seriously, we can put more out there and see what happens from a place of curiosity. It's a glorious place to be and I am thankful for this comment, because you have expressed what it's like to be in that place, therefore showing your awareness of yourself. Thank you.
I just love the interaction ♥️, had a right old laugh Never Sleeping Beauty.
It’s my friends catchphrases …
“hey, let me point out something obvious, luv …’ and I would take offence to it initially until she’d explain it …. And I’d say ohhh right, haven’t thought of that dear”.. obviously is her favourite word 😒 and we’d laugh our asses off.
You brought back a lot of memories, Had to pause several times, I deeply miss her. His accent warms my heart, it’s how she spoke too …. I couldn’t stop laughing and crying through out. September was a difficult month for me, 28th was her birthday and the same month she passed away.
It amazes me how listening to your interactions brought a-lot of memories buried in my mind that I can’t seem to get from her list of her favourite songs. Frankly I don’t know if she’s INTP or INTJ as she was immature just like I was. This conversation bless me soo so much dear, I could ramble on forever how much I can relate 💔
The biggest laugh I got …. is in the ending , reminds me when I ended my friendship with her, her name is Muna (nickname her My Muse) after some stupid argument. I would say “Goodbye and Good riddance” … only to to greet each other after a couple of days with “Good day, Missed ya muppet ”… the lack of emotional support gosh I had to laugh 😂 (it was annoyingly frustrating but now I miss it too) and not too long we’re old chumps again ironically cuz we were young and yet felt like we were kindred spirits, known each other for such a long time.
Thank you for sharing this, I had to comment after listening for the 10th time.
I’m still grieving for what could have been, I would assume we would have a similar interaction to you and your loved one, had she been alive today, she would be 36 years old now. RIP Muna, always in my heart, in my memories and in our songs we shared, never forgotten 😢 thank you again I can’t say it enough.
I'm so sorry. It's the "what could have been" that is so difficult after a loss. Grief is a heavy weight - I know it well - so I am glad to hear you were able to find some comfort in our words as you remember your friend.
It’s comforting dear, I wonder if given a divine opportunity to see what become of me, what would she say, what would she think of me? Would she be disappointed in me or would she be deeply upset or happy and deeply honoured that after many hardships I’ve endured I have kept moving forward and still held her memories in my heart and mind.
Muna rarely get emotional about things, but there were times I felt loved and honoured to see her get emotional when I share my traumatic experiences with her. I felt I can completely trust her. That’s a big thing for me, I struggle with trusting others and she knows it too.
I wonder How would a loved one react after losing someone close to them especially INTP and INTJ or vice versa? I’m more intrigued by the latter as I haven’t found a video on RUclips about it.
I believe grief, even though it is a universal emotion, is intensely personal. Your type does have bearing on how you would react, because emotions are things which must be processed, but it's still a very personal thing. And that's because relationships between two individuals are unique things. Each person brings their own perspective and experiences to the table and together, they create new perspectives and experiences.
If Muna truly loved you as a real friend should (and that seems the case here from what you've shared), she could only be happy that you are moving forward in life. When we truly love another, we want what's best for them in life, and for them to grow and develop.
Really like this episode. You should do more collaborations. Your tone kinda changed too.. sounds…. Happier. Like that next growth pain has passed. Which I know makes us feel as listeners happy for you. Keep it up
I can understand why you noticed this change of tone. This is the first time I've had a conversation with someone on my channel. All my other videos are just me talking into a recording device, so there's no one to react to (even though I imagine I am speaking to all of you). But you are right about the happiness ... how I would react depends on the person and yes, I am happy in this conversation because of the person 😊
Thank you for sharing that wonderful interaction. Now that I've grown in self awareness I enjoy the sensation of being seen as long as the person has good intentions. I recently took a new job based primarily on the fact that my would-be boss had seen who I was immediately. I could tell by the questions he was asking and the curious way he was looking at me when he asked them, if that makes sense. I believe he's an ENTJ, a type I usually understand and enjoy, and I feel similarly with ENFJ's. After hearing your discussion I'd like to meet an INTJ socially, it sounds like you must have fascinating conversations.
What a great opportunity to work for someone who truly appreciates you and what you bring to the table. I feel like you and I have perhaps had this conversation before in the comments somewhere, but I agree that ENTJ sees something interesting in us and "gets it". I mentioned in this video how INTJs seem to find me first; I would say the same in a similar way for ENTJ. I know they see me, or see something in me that gets their attention. What you've said here gives me even more confirmation, so thank you for sharing your thoughts.
And yes, we have many fascinating conversations! I've found once you're at a certain level of trust together, you can quickly access that "space" (I call it the Ni space for lack of a better term) in conversation, and explore around together.
My take, as an INFJ, on the INTJ. First off, we are both equally aware of of the collective Ni blind spot society suffers from. However, INTJs are for more powerful advocates for Ni than INFJs due to their lesser need to harmonize with others.
Yes, I agree that INTJs can spot INFJs as fellow "weirdos" before we spot them.
I think that the absence of Fe in the INTJ function stack, their harshness, at times, and their arrogance makes it hard for me to deeply bond with them. I do recognize how intellectually engaging they are and appreciate this about them. They are definetly somebody I want on my work team, but that's as far as I can go with them.
In my experience as an INTJ, the INFJ males seem very intimidated by me. They always would be hiding behind this silly grandiose idea of being better than they actually are, and every time I would show them their hypocrisy I would be called insensitive and arrogant. Unfortunately, most INFJ men are as pretentious as they get and have a very inflated view of themselves, as if they were some kind of martyr to benevolence. They seem to think they are so not-narcissistic and so good intentioned that they actually are narcissistic in that. Most INFJs see themselves for what they are outwardly, but know nothing of what they actually are inwardly. They are simply perfect and well-intentioned with nothing on work on other than their self sacrificial nature, how arrogant of them.
@@roggies2008 You've met some pretty weak INFJs. I am not intimidated by INTJs in the least.
I loved the interaction between the two of you. After listening to this video, it has become clear to me that a friend of mine might be an INTJ. When I interact with most people I am drained and need to withdraw. Strangely enough he does not drain me. I actually feel inspired which is rare for me. I’m usually the one bringing that energy. We are so much alike but yet different. I thought maybe he’s also an INFJ but he’s waaay more direct. Over the years I’ve known him, I am so amazed at the growth Ive experience now I know why. Thanks again for helping me in my journey of knowing. I LOVE it!!
When you find friends who inspire you, they are keepers for sure. Happy you have someone like this in our life. Even though you are amazed at the growth you've experienced, I would guess he has also grown from your interactions. It's a beautiful dynamic.
I was looking for your channel for weeks. Glad to be back!
Also, I agree with the catalyst part, my work partner told me that I don't admit my mistakes, but his example wasn't adding up, although I knew exactly what he meant. I explain things I don't have to and it comes off as making excuses when I can just admit it and move on. That led me to realize that I tend to cause conflict in simple things, and a nice workaround would be to naturally trust myself and stop projecting my doubts onto him, and yes he is somewhat like me, an INTJ because I can apply the same criticisms to him, but it wasn't necessary to bring it up. I appreciate his honesty though, so he did help me, in not so obvious ways
Over explaining can sometimes look like guilt, even if it isn't, so I can see why your work partner came to this conclusion. Either way, you learned something from him which helped you personally, and that is what's important.
I think that intj's are to an infj a personal counselor of sorts. They have. More mature aspect to their feelings that they can correct in us. We as feelers tend to yoyo back and forth weighing everything, but with the intj...they already through emotional and intellectual experience already know the blazed way. We as infj's can't seem to trust anything outside ourselves until we feel it in ourselves with our own equipment of understanding. Our own weights...our own choice.
Excellent. Thank you.
INFJ can self isolate and become their own worst enemy.
I’m surprised you think your comments would be welcomed here, especially after being so insulting on our other channel.
Hi! I have a funny question...I think 😬 AND I sincerely do not want to hurt anyone's feelings here!!
I do not understand when people comment why they do not use punctuation.
It makes it so hard to read especially when the comments are written from INFJ'S because they are always very long heartfelt comments.
I am not the grammar police and always worry about my writing skills SO I am not a know it all....because I do NOT know it all!!
Just curious as to why some people do not use periods at the end of sentences. 🌷🙏🥰
P.S. I have been told that I love to use exclamation points too much AND that I always capitalize words to show my feeling.
Of course I do! I am a very passionate person!!😆💝
I don't understand the need for this comment. If you sincerely didn't want to hurt feelings about something so trivial, then you wouldn't say it to begin with. If you are speaking of Mr. JohnnyO than you should know that he is dyslexic, which means he has difficulties in this way. Please have more empathy and compassion before posting about something so unnecessarily. I hope this clears up your confusion.
I'd like to give you a piece of advice, if I may. Let others be who they are, outside of your expectations, and your life will be easier overall. Focus on that which is yours to focus on, within the realm of your own control (your own reactions, choices, and comments). Others will be who they are regardless, so freeing yourself of this mentality to 'control' how others should or should not be, will prove more fruitful in giving you balance henceforth. As for punctuation, I can understand why it is important to you, as it helps with semantics. The entire point of conversation is to understand and to be understood, but as Christopher alluded to, we can only do this if we are willing to look past our judgments. I hope you can grow past that part of yourself, as it is entirely learned, and was something I had to do as well.
I am terrible sorry!
No, I do not want to hurt anyone feelings. I never have.
I thought the comment was very well written.
I have noticed - not just here - but at other times there is no period at the end of sentences which makes it hard for me to understand.
I always want to understand what the person is saying because many times it is the comments that have taught me and helped me more than you will ever know!
The last 40 years of my life and my inheritance was all stolen/spent by a malignant narcissist....my ex husband! I also just learned that I am am INFJ.
So I have been researching everything to make sense of my life.
The reason I am telling this to you is that the comments have given me so much insight and have saved me!
Again, as an HSP I never EVER want to hurt someone and I am sorry that I have!
I will reread your comments and take them to heart. That I promise!
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@@loref4200 HI! My heart is broken. I feel like crying!
Again, I am sorry! It absolutely never occurred to me that someone who could write so well would be dyslexic. I am an empath too and that is exactly what got me into the biggest mistake of my life. Your never sleeping beauty has helped me tremendously.
I know you are right!
I am not educated so therefore your first comment was very deep and I have to look up some of the meanings of the words. Also, I still am learning about how my brain works so sometimes things I didn'tunderstand! One thing for sure is that I definitely know what Ni means.
My Ni never ever EVER turns off! I will go to my grave in absolute shock at what has happened to me AND my daughter!
I just didn't know what NPD was! I didn't know that I am an empath trying to save the world. I will go to my grave for not leaving years ago! I didn't want my daughter who is adopted from China to go through a divorce.
Here is an example of a comment from someone that is burned in my mind.
"It is better to be from a broken home then to live in one." 😔😢
Again, I am sorry to upset OR hurt anyone!🌷🙏
@@kimkeck6266 Do not worry about this further. Be kind to yourself too. We are all still learning how to live and be in this world. I don't think your intention was malicious, nor your motivations to harm those who have a different manner of speaking. You're aware now, and that's the first step in learning _anything_ of value.
I'm sorry to hear of your struggles with the divorce, and I hope that you and your daughter can heal together. It is lovely that you've given her a home with you. I wish you both peace as you navigate this new journey.
Have a nice rest of your day, Kim.
What's with the clicking noise in the background?
That's my nuclear power station.
Lol. I thought a bit of fidgeting.
@@loref4200 I don't fidget, every move I make is intentional.
@@roggies2008 Noted. ;p