@@UgoSantawhy? I’m curious. I came to the comments to understand what exactly it does. I didn’t understand what he meant about the resonances in the video.
Some really useful tricks again, thank you very much. Just a quick note to your otherwise amazing presentation: I would prefer if you could do the comparison switch one or two times more often, so there is more time to focus on these sometimes subtle enhancements.
@@sageaudio I concur! I believe I mentioned this to you a while back but when dealing with these quick AB examples it’s much easier to hear the differences when comparing the same section of audio.
Great tutorials, I wish you'ed adjust the before and after listening time to longer sections. This vocals first line tonally a lot more full bodied than the after coming line that sounds very thin in comparison. The difference is so big that it's hard to hear what actually is happening. I find the best before and afters are those where the exact same line is looped between before and afters. You will get all the newbees to hear the subtileties a lot easier. But still top notch tutorials though🙌 Thanks for all the goodies!
I don't see why using a detuned sidechain for soothe would be any good. As you showed, soothe reacts to the detuned frequencies and attenuates "resonances" in those areas, leaving the general vocal frequencies alone. So it basically attenuates more in the high end because the frequency differences are small compared to the bandwidth applied by soothe. Effectively this results in a duller tone which is audible in the video. Personally I would add a high-shelf afterwards to balance the tone out again. Why apply that "trick" for then?
there’s a few problems on the soothe2 trick but it is a creative trick having a copy of the vocal which is identical will track the same issues the vocals track the same frequencies but just offset by +1 the duplicated sidechained input should have unipolar values and a way to decide how much the spread is what i suggest instead is having soothe2 in delta mode and dry/wetting it with the original signal, but to be honest as nice as it sounds in theory it will most likely sound like phased out dogshit best fix is just probably manually automating out problematic frequencies or putting it into melodyne to edit the harmonic levels
i also recommend avoiding using rx since its introduces artifacts or surpresses a lot of harmonics etc from otherwise good stuff spiff is excellent for removing harsh clicks etc, from guitars to vocals, percs etc but best for vocals is always just proper vocal riding and editing (fading etc)
On the first trick, it might be interesting to use a mix of +50 cents and -50 cents (minus 3 decibels each) for the side-chain input. Or alternately, it could be interesting to subtract an auto-tuned version of the performance from the original and feed the delta into the side-chain. Maybe it'd be a smoother, less-jarring retuning?
@@steamer2k319 that sounds lije it makes a lot more sense than just a random half step. Although you might introduce issues similar to phasing this way, where you might lose volume on more out of tune parts. I still don't fully get what this trick is supposed to do.
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Unfortunately if you're not careful de-click removes fry, and in this example it does a bit at the end. In my experience it's best to select problem spots only in the RX standalone
I mean… a semitone down doesn’t mean it’s out of key. After all, there’s a semi tone between the 7th and the 1st and 4 and 5 in a major scale. Wouldn’t that just force Soothe 2 to pull down resonances that aren’t actually resonances?
Have you tried assigning RX as your audio editor in Logic? You can then use SHIFT W to pull any region into RX and when you’re done processing the audio you go into FILE and OVERWRITE the file. I’ve never had any latency issues with that.
I don’t know how people think it sounds better on. Soothe2 in broad strokes has a tendency to add this artificial sheen unless used as a narrow de-esser or de-mudder. The voice has naturally out-of-tune resonances, it makes the performance convincing all the way through. You want tuned vocal? Just use Melodyne 😂
What is the point of that soothe technique? You're tucking away resonances where there aren't any. If you had stuck a formant filter on up a 5th or tuned the trigger vocal down an octave at least it would correlate with the vocal being treated in some way. I'm going to try it, maybe I'll eat my words..
The first trick is the dumbest thing I saw… what’s the point of trying to fix problems by not trying to fix them. Most of the problematic frequencies that need to be attenuated are created by the pitch of the vocal recording.
Thanks for watching! From personal experience, Soothe 2 doesn't fix problems-it only attenuates resonances it deems too high in amplitude. For that reason, I rarely use it since, more often than not, what's deemed excessive resonance is really just an overtone/harmonic. With this method, I can keep the vocal's original overtones while attenuating out-of-key frequencies
yo that detuned soothe trick is big brain af
but useless
@@UgoSantawhy? I’m curious. I came to the comments to understand what exactly it does. I didn’t understand what he meant about the resonances in the video.
Out of tune resonances? What the heck? Specifically on one semitone, what is this trying to achieve?
By reducing out of tune resonances the voice sound more in tune.
@@krex_mg does it really though? I feel like that short sample didn't prove anything. I feel like this would most likely just introduce problems..
Yes, not enough “on-off” comparisons to hear the difference. Thank you, though. Appreciate the tutorials, keep ‘em comin’,
Gianni❤
Some really useful tricks again, thank you very much. Just a quick note to your otherwise amazing presentation: I would prefer if you could do the comparison switch one or two times more often, so there is more time to focus on these sometimes subtle enhancements.
Good point! I'll do another A/B with the same clip in future videos. Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it!
@@sageaudio I concur! I believe I mentioned this to you a while back but when dealing with these quick AB examples it’s much easier to hear the differences when comparing the same section of audio.
This is so brilliant in vocal mixing musically
Dude, this video came at the perfect time
So happy to hear that!
The Soothe2 detune trick really cleaned up a vocal I am working on currently......Thanks!
That first trick with Soothe: smart!
That soothe trick wasn't subtle at all. Sounded great when you put it on. Thanks!
Great tutorials, I wish you'ed adjust the before and after listening time to longer sections. This vocals first line tonally a lot more full bodied than the after coming line that sounds very thin in comparison. The difference is so big that it's hard to hear what actually is happening. I find the best before and afters are those where the exact same line is looped between before and afters. You will get all the newbees to hear the subtileties a lot easier. But still top notch tutorials though🙌 Thanks for all the goodies!
for the first Trick you can also use Scaler EQ for this trick if you don't have the cash for Soothe 2
I don't see why using a detuned sidechain for soothe would be any good.
As you showed, soothe reacts to the detuned frequencies and attenuates "resonances" in those areas, leaving the general vocal frequencies alone.
So it basically attenuates more in the high end because the frequency differences are small compared to the bandwidth applied by soothe.
Effectively this results in a duller tone which is audible in the video. Personally I would add a high-shelf afterwards to balance the tone out again.
Why apply that "trick" for then?
I'm so glad I'm not the only one hearing this....
Excellent advice.Thanx a lot!
Yoooooo the detune trick 🤯 have to try and see that
Always look forward to these next-=level techniques.
I love your videos and I want more vocal tutorials but also a in-depth sound design series I feel like you could teach me that better than anyone
there’s a few problems on the soothe2 trick but it is a creative trick
having a copy of the vocal which is identical will track the same issues the vocals track the same frequencies but just offset by +1
the duplicated sidechained input should have unipolar values and a way to decide how much the spread is
what i suggest instead is having soothe2 in delta mode and dry/wetting it with the original signal, but to be honest as nice as it sounds in theory it will most likely sound like phased out dogshit
best fix is just probably manually automating out problematic frequencies or putting it into melodyne to edit the harmonic levels
i also recommend avoiding using rx since its introduces artifacts or surpresses a lot of harmonics etc from otherwise good stuff
spiff is excellent for removing harsh clicks etc, from guitars to vocals, percs etc
but best for vocals is always just proper vocal riding and editing (fading etc)
also for parallel compressed mids you can use fab filter pro mb and change the dry wet
Ive did the p comp trick isolating the highs but never the mids like that, gonna give it a try
Let us know how it goes!
De crackle also works great to get rid of wet mouth noises but like declick it’s demanding on the cpu.
soothe trick seems nice, i would give it a try
9 years into professional music production and mixing 1. soothe technique I'm like "whatttttttttttt?????????????????" *brain melts*
On the first trick, it might be interesting to use a mix of +50 cents and -50 cents (minus 3 decibels each) for the side-chain input.
Or alternately, it could be interesting to subtract an auto-tuned version of the performance from the original and feed the delta into the side-chain. Maybe it'd be a smoother, less-jarring retuning?
That is definitely worth trying! If you end up giving our trick a shot as well as what you mentioned let us know how it goes!
@@steamer2k319 that sounds lije it makes a lot more sense than just a random half step. Although you might introduce issues similar to phasing this way, where you might lose volume on more out of tune parts. I still don't fully get what this trick is supposed to do.
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Thanks. Best/Mathias
Unfortunately if you're not careful de-click removes fry, and in this example it does a bit at the end. In my experience it's best to select problem spots only in the RX standalone
Excellent!
thank you so much💟
Nice one though scale eq can do the same as an insert
is the mid compression trick any different from just using multiband compression on mids with a mix knob?
I mean… a semitone down doesn’t mean it’s out of key. After all, there’s a semi tone between the 7th and the 1st and 4 and 5 in a major scale. Wouldn’t that just force Soothe 2 to pull down resonances that aren’t actually resonances?
Great video
Great use of the parallel compression! On the send of the main vocal do you mantain the reverb or just the clean vocal?
So if we’re talking about detuning.. what if the note you detune to is still in the key of the original note???
You hear the diffrence between compressed & uncompressed sound when you only compressing 3.7 dB???????
Have you tried assigning RX as your audio editor in Logic? You can then use SHIFT W to pull any region into RX and when you’re done processing the audio you go into FILE and OVERWRITE the file. I’ve never had any latency issues with that.
That's awesome! I wasn't aware of this so I'll have to set this up. Definitely going to save me some time. Thanks!
@@sageaudio Yeah, you're gonna love it!
🔥🔥🔥
My favourite compressor for transparent compression without much distortion is Toonboosters compr 4.
We'll check that one out, thanks for sharing!
Out of tune resonances is the craziest broducer speak i’ve heard
I don’t know how people think it sounds better on. Soothe2 in broad strokes has a tendency to add this artificial sheen unless used as a narrow de-esser or de-mudder.
The voice has naturally out-of-tune resonances, it makes the performance convincing all the way through. You want tuned vocal? Just use Melodyne 😂
What’s an alternative to soothe?
dseq3 ,trust me :)
Could I use rvox for the side chained mid frequencies boost thing?
Yeah! Any compressor you want will work - just be sure to use a linear phase EQ beforehand to isolate the range you want.
What is the point of that soothe technique? You're tucking away resonances where there aren't any.
If you had stuck a formant filter on up a 5th or tuned the trigger vocal down an octave at least it would correlate with the vocal being treated in some way.
I'm going to try it, maybe I'll eat my words..
First🎉
I can't compare something which was not level matched.
The first trick is the dumbest thing I saw… what’s the point of trying to fix problems by not trying to fix them.
Most of the problematic frequencies that need to be attenuated are created by the pitch of the vocal recording.
Thanks for watching! From personal experience, Soothe 2 doesn't fix problems-it only attenuates resonances it deems too high in amplitude. For that reason, I rarely use it since, more often than not, what's deemed excessive resonance is really just an overtone/harmonic.
With this method, I can keep the vocal's original overtones while attenuating out-of-key frequencies