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Transitioning from SlingStudio to Blackmagic ATEM
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2020
- This video will walk through our expierence starting with the SlingStudio system and then switching to the Blackmagic Design ATEM switchers. I explain what's so great about SlingStudio, how we overcame some of the challenges and limitations of SlingStudio, and why we ultimately decided to move away from Sling and switch to the Blackmagic ATEM.
A list of gear referenced in this video is below.
- SlingStudio Hub
- SlingStudio CameraLink
- SlingStudio USB-C Extender
- Elgato Stream Deck
- Anker PowerCore Charger
- ikan BZ400 Pro Wireless Transmitter
- TecNec Jackreel Deluxe BNC Reel
- Tactical Fiber Systems DuraTAC Armored SM Tactical Fiber Cable & Reel
- AJA FiDO Single-Channel 3G-SDI to ST Fiber Mini Converter
- AJA HELO H.264 Streamer & Recorder
- Blackmagic URSA Mini
- Blackmagic Pocket Cam
- Mavic 2 Pro Drone
- CrystalSky 5.5” Monitor
- Pyle Audio Mixer
- Zoom LiveTrak L-8 Portable 8-Channel Digital Mixer and Multitrack Recorder
- Blackmagic Design ATEM Television Studio Pro 4K Live Production Switcher
- Blackmagic Design ATEM Television Studio
Thank you so much! I'm currently doing a lot of research on live-streaming for my institution and I've been looking at both Sling Studio and Blackmagic as options and this is really helpful. Your explanation and clarity is much appreciated and this is by far the best video I've seen on the topic from my research.
You are very welcome Erwin! It's stuff I had to learn the hard way. At least he hard way was fun. =+)
Nice transition!
I started using BlackMagic switchers over 10 years ago. Still my primary mixer.
We've enjoyed it too.
Bravo! Excited to see a walkthrough of your rack setup. -Cooper
Just posted one: ruclips.net/video/Uu6UnfNYYQ0/видео.html
Thank you Chad, your videos on the SlingStudio set up really helped us out. We have adapted to it, but the Blackmagic system is on our radar for the future.
Nice summary of SlingStudio - very fair from an actual user point of view. Since the pandemic was starting last March, I have been using SlingStudio in my church with 3 camera links (Panasonic GH5, Canon XF300, Canon C100mkII, cameras which I had already), mixed in with a feed from a pc for slides (Proclaim software) and audio from our sanctuary mixer board. Being in Los Angeles, we have VERY tight restrictions on how many people can be in the sanctuary (currently 10) - With the SlingStudio setup, I, the pastor, am able to direct the entire stream from an iPad that I have with me as I'm running the service. I have a 2nd iPad that runs our Proclaim projection software with visual elements for the service and sermon. One gets good at changing cameras and visuals and creating the PIP windows. Sling has made it possible to do a 3-camera service, with slides and videos popped in (prerecorded choirs and soloists), with PIP and multi-input screens, and run it all myself. I'm not sure how I could have pulled it all off without Sling with pandemic restrictions on staff.
The limitations you mentioned are all real - I have had the unexplained mini-HDMI cable failures a few times - I now have a nice collection of spares. Battery life on the Camera Links is less than 2 hours, so if I need longer times, I use an external battery pack. I have had drama with the audio cables and thought it was the 1/8" connector on the hub, but trying a different cable took care of the issue. I wouldn't even try to stream without the CAT-5 attachment.
My cameras are mostly unmanned and pre-set for zoom and framing. I am about to integrate one of our Panasonic PTZ cameras into the setup, equipped with their software that follows the subject. I'll put a Camera Link on the feed of that camera and integrate it into the SlingStudio workflow. Hoping the lag won't be out of sync with the other cameras.
AFTER the pandemic restrictions are lifted, we plan to continue to stream as we have a MUCH larger audience now than we had before. We'll see how it goes as far as retaining an audience. I have a Roland VR50-HDmkII that I had planned to use as a switcher for streaming and recording with PTZ cameras I was planning to put in (did this summer) - I wish it had the ability natively to store macros for PIP. I might have to sort out using the Elgato Stream Deck to do that on the Roland. According to Roland, it might work to do that.
Thanks for your videos - as I was learning SS, your video on it was very helpful - I've been live-streaming every Sunday morning and every Friday during the school year (chapels) - not sure how I could have pulled this off without Sling on my own. Sling gets a lot of grief for support (no new videos on their channel for over a year, limited firmware and software changes) and lack of supply. I've found it a solid product for what it tries to do.
Great comment Lawrence. Kudos to you for running it all yourself AND preaching on top of that. You've got a perfect use case for Sling for sure. I've never heard of anyone getting anything like macros functioning with Sling so don't get your hopes up. The addition of the subject tracking PTZ is a great idea, especially if you don't like to be glued behind the podium. =+)
@@chadpjackson thanks - It sure is an exercise in mental and physical dexterity... On macros, I wasn’t meaning with the SlingStudio. I meant with the Roland VR50 HDmkII switcher, to give me some of the ease of use that the Sling has natively. To be able to do PiP on the fly with any inputs is great. The Roland is much more clunky. This week I’m experimenting with using the HDMI output of the PTZ cameras (they have both SDI and HDMI) with the SlingStudio interface. I also attach some Sony NP970 clone batteries that I have directly to the Camera links. The batteries have USB outputs right on them, and came with USB to USB-mini cables that will power the links for several hours. I never liked the internal batteries... just good for 2 hours or so.
@@LDBecker Ah. That makes sense. When I used PiP on the Sling I found that the small frame would creep up a few pixels every time I used it and dragging sources to the boxes every time was annoying. With the BM I can set up several PiP arrangements and sources and save them as macros in advance. One button brings up exactly what I want on preview. Hopefully you can do the same with the VR50. Definitely reduces stress while directing.
@@chadpjackson The current SlingStudio app allows you to save PiP and multi-camera setups, so you just do it once per session - I usually have 3-4 of them per church service. I haven't noticed any changes in sizes when I recall them. Apparently you can set up a stream as a template to just reuse - haven't sorted that out yet. It takes me about a minute to set up the 3-4 presets. Where I put the PiP window changes each week anyway (depending on how many singers I have).
@@LDBecker Maybe I had a glitch or maybe they fixed it. I'd put my pip along the edge and it would slowly creep up every time I used it. I'm glad it's working for you. I actually just dropped my Sling setup in the mail. Sold on eBay this morning. I'm sad to see it go but there's a huge demand for them right now and we just never use it anymore.
Very fair and complete pros/cons for both. I have had my share of terrifying moments on the SlingStudio - but still enjoy it for small setups.
Thanks! Yep. It has it's place for sure but it's not for every situation.
Great video Chad. You explain things very well. I good resource for people trying to understand why to go with SlingStudio or not. I've worked live event A/Vfor many years. Purchased Sling in Feb 2020 right before the pandemic. It's helped me continue make rent when most of my clients and events went away this year. Couldn't have done it without, and looking forward to being able to invest in some Blackmagic equipment in 2021.
Good timing LifeSMyth. Sling tech was hard to find for a while during the start of the pandemic. It's a solid tool to have around if you do most of your gigs on your own.
Excellent video! I have the Sling Studio; however, I have not used it much. I was contemplating purchasing the Atem mini pro ISO; however, since I am doing only podcasts and outdoor videos, the Sling Studio will do.
Glad it was helpful!
thanks much for this. very helpful
I have all the same experiences with the Sling Studio. It has been our workhorse since COVID. We do FB Live townhalls and it works great. I find the shortcomings to be a little annoying as well. This video was exactly what I was looking for! I'm trying to currently switch over to Blackmagic and needed the skinny on the leap! Thank you!
I'm really glad it was a help to you. I wish I would have known this info back when we were considering the switch. No turning back now. We sold our Sling setup so we're 100% Blackmagic ATEM now.
Hey Jeff, how much do companies or people typically charge live-streaming townhalls?
@@abtoziam2648 I don't know. I work for the Army in a Public Affairs Office.
Very good video doc of the job...!!! Bravo!
I remember when sling came out, I was a limited then and is limited now
Great video man. Thanks for all the useful information.
Cant wait to see more videos of your setup!
Great stuff here! Thanks for the very analytical walk-through!
I just posted a walkthrough: ruclips.net/video/Uu6UnfNYYQ0/видео.html More to come.
I remember when sling came out, I was a limited then and is limited now.
Very helpful thank you! Much appreciated
Hi i am from france i want to buy slingstudio but in europe its hard to fiend Can u help me to buy this from us
This is really helpful!
Glad to hear it. I have bad vibes every time I'm reminded of this video. I wasn't feeling great that day and ended up having COVID-19. This was my last day in the office for a while. lol
Your detailed explanations and personal experience is VERY much appreciated. It's hard to find quality training like this even on RUclips. I'm currently working on figuring out what my setup will be and wonder how I would be able to work with on screen live graphics such as titles, lower thirds, title screens, screen share, pre recorded video, etc by using the Atem mini Pro and the LiveU Solo for better bandwidth. I just bought the LiveU Solo and am considering the Atem switcher but can't see how to be able to use on screen graphics since I'm not seeing a way to use OBS studio with the LiveU Solo since I don't see an RTMP stream key option that LiveU can send to OBS. What are you using for on screen graphic control and have you incorporated the LiveU Solo into your workflow at all? Any suggestions about on screen grahpics when using the Atem into the LiveU Solo?
You're very welcome Silver Crane. I'm glad it was helpful!
We have a LiveUSolo in our newsroom but we don't go mobile with it. I know it's a very popular solution for mobile streaming. Almost all our streams are on campus where we are always close to high speed ethernet ports. We stream through our AJA HELO via ethernet and it's 100% reliable. The LiveUSolo gives you the cellular bonding feature that makes your stream more reliable and "wider" when you don't have the reliable land line.
I'm not sure exactly how you're trying to combine the ATEM Mini Pro, LiveU Solo, and OBS. Typically you wouldn't use all of those together. All three have the ability to stream via RTMP. I believe OBS can add graphics but it would be after you've mixed video on the ATEM which isn't ideal. I don't think the LiveU can add graphics. The best option for adding graphics is with one of your Downstream Keys. You can load graphics into the ATEM but it's a bit clunky to change them unless you set up macros to do that job. To play video you need a BM Hyperdeck. OR you can bring graphics and video in via a video source. Something like propresenter is a great option. You connect a laptop as a source with all your graphics and video and use that as your downstream key source and all your laptop graphics will sit on top of your program video feed.
Honestly, this is an area we're still experimenting with and I want to learn more ways of doing it but hopefully this gives you an idea of what it might look like.
@@chadpjackson Yeah I'm based in a rural town surrounded by other rural towns so yeah lol. What would you recommend I look into for on screen graphics when using the LiveU and an ATEM switcher?
@@silvercranestudios6259 Depends on how many graphics you need. If it's under 10, I'd just use the built in graphics support of the ATEM. If you need a lot or you need to make changes on the fly then I'd like at something like propresenter. So far the built in media bank the ATEM software has been enough for us.
@@chadpjackson i'LL Check it out. Thank you so much for your quick and very insightful response. You have no idea how many hours and days/weeks I have been trying to learn about this kind of stuff and here you go just dropping value bombs. Sooooo nice!
@@silvercranestudios6259 I'm happy to help. =+) If you find another solution I'd love to hear.
I am interested to know what you suggest for streaming now I just got a yolobox pro
Thank you! Good one!
Great video!
I remember seeing the sling come out, but then there was never any support for anything but apple
Hi Chad. Awesome video. Couldn’t agree with you more. Did you ever make that video of the rack?
Thanks Michael. I did grab one walkthrough of our setup just before we started an event but I haven't looked at it. Kind of forgot. =+) I'll get that posted soon.
Great comparison. I’m at the same point looking to switch to ATEM. The 1 thing I like about Sling is the split screen options and the ability to assign sources and easily select the area of focus. How would I replicate that functionality. Looks like I’d have to move to a 2me with super source. Any other options?
Both ATEM Studio and Studio Pro have a DVE function that allows you to very accurately place any video source on top of another. It can bee used for picture in picture or split screen. One you have it the way you like it just save a macro and you'll never have to recreate it again.
@@chadpjackson I recently acquired the ATEM Television Studio HD. It has a DVE. Is that the same? I understand PIP but I haven’t tried to setup PBP yet. Can I accomplish something similar with that?
Are you guys selling some of the cameralink?
This video was definitely helpful but I was curious about the length of your camera runs.
With Sling it depended on how much interferences ran into. They are supposed to reach 300’ but we found it was more like 200’. With a big crowd of mobile devices crowding the wireless band it could quickly drop to 50’ or less.
For our Blackmagic set up we’re only limited by our cable length. We use our 100’ SDI cables a lot as well as our 250’ spools. When we have to go really far we use our 1000’ fiber cables. The fiber has a booster so we can technically put a 250’ SDI cable on both ends of the fiber and get 1500’ total.
Thanks for the reply! I rented the system to shoot our kickball game with three cameras but it wasn’t as clean as I hoped. I dread having to run cables to 3-4 different cameras like I did in the 90’s. I would love to talk offline for your advice for a very mobile system. If you have time my email is Butch@goombay.net.
@@Goombaybutch Unfortunately a wired connection is still the most reliable. Wireless systems tend to be less reliable due to bandwidth and interference issues. There are more expensive wireless transmission systems that claim to be more reliable. We're considering the Teradek Ace 500 for situations where a cable isn't realistic. My videographers tell me Teradek is the way to go. There are good reviews of the Hollyland Mars system. It's half the cost of Teradek but the brand isn't as well established.
Please need link for the equipments, especially for the fiber optic cable and connection to the atem
Searching the names I listed in the description will bring up what you're looking for. I did omit the fact that converters are required to go from SDI to Fiber and then back to SDI. Here are those links.
Tactical Fiber Systems DuraTAC Armored SM Tactical Fiber Cable & Reel
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1072959-REG/tactical_fiber_systems_tf_2st1000tfr_single_mode_two_fiber_cable_on.html
AJA FiDO Single-Channel 3G-SDI to ST Fiber Mini Converter
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/899134-REG/AJA_fidotst_Single_channel_SDI_to.html
How can I use Sling studio as my virtual camera on zoom?
You'll have to get some type of HDMI to USB adapter that converts the HDMI out signal from Sling into the type of signal that would come from a USB webcam. A video capture card in a desktop computer would do the same thing.
Is Yolo box pro good or Sling Studio
Both are good. Both have strengths and weaknesses. The biggest difference is that Sling requires wireless transmitters or phones for cameras. Yolo only takes HDMI or USB web cam.
Is the cart video uploaded? I'd love to see how you put it all together.
No not yet but you guys keep bugging me so it's bound to happen soon. =+) Thanks for the encouragement.
I just posted a walkthrough: ruclips.net/video/Uu6UnfNYYQ0/видео.html
What are you going to do with your Slingstudio equipment?
It sadly sold on ebay last week.
Sling is bad, I had (2) of them and both died right before events. Vmix 4K is a good option. We use it at my church " The City Church Batavia NY " on RUclips.
with sling, will audio connected from a mixer lag 2 seconds as well? or will it not lag, therefore making audio and video out of sync?
The audio is synced to the video and if there is any difference it’s fixable with a setting inside the sling software.
@@chadpjackson Thankyou! :)
I’m now looking at wireless options that connect with yolobox.
I just want as much portability and as little wires as possible. Any ideas? Thanks again.
@@cedarvilleuniversity I’m also just looking at streamlabs obs on the computer and seeing if I can somehow connect a few smartphones cams to it wirelessly
@@CamMineo sorry. I didn’t realize I was logged into the university account. Yolo is a cool option and hollyland Mars transmitters should work great.
I’ve never heard of a cell phone receiver option other than Sling. That’s on of their few unique features.
How do you feel about Telescreen wire cast
No feelings at all. =+) I've never used it.
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I just posted a walkthrough I did a few weeks ago for a conference event. Not the cleanest but you'll get a pretty good tour. I've got another event tonight that I'll do a walkthrough for. It's a high school play. ruclips.net/video/Uu6UnfNYYQ0/видео.html
I remember when sling came out, I was a limited then and is limited now