Bit of a different approach with this one, not as many calcs shown. I thought more care on visual representation would've been better since I surely don't have to sell you on Nahida Business Mail:tgs.sponsorship@gmail.com Twitter: twitter.com/GenshinTgs Discord Link: discord.gg/2PuwsPMV3V
you dont have to sell us Nahida but it's very hard to find actual calculations of teams online, so seeing yours is something many rely on and appreciate
This video is actually really helpful because you spell out the reasons why certain characters do better in the different types of teams - explaining kit mechanics with the visuals is so good for me as a more visual learner so thanks!
If anyone has C2 Dori with a range carry like kokomi or mona you could actually trigger hyperbloom from range vs kuki , the uptime lost chasing opponents that moves fast like pma , TM etc with Kuki, therefore damage lost overall. With Dori eventhough she has downtime but compared to the dps lost in chasing for blooms with kuki on a melee carries, Dori is actually much better. This is in no way misinformation those that has Kokomi and Mona should try this. Dori has the range trigger ability like Raiden and her trigger time is 0.4sec or less, yes faster than Raiden, but she heals and regen ER for the main carry trading with uptime and lower EM, since she needs to use an ER weapon to achieve 200+ ER.
I also loved the calculations, even if reality might be a bit off or slightly unrealistic to get a presented "ideal rotation damage number", just having some numbers as a comparison makes your content stand out from so much of the regular Genshin content creators
So many people recommend Nahida "for meta", which is justified. While a more subjective point, I find that she is also a fun character (meta and fun aren't mutually exclusive; I'm aware, yet they are often posed as such by the community). The way she so effortlessly applies aoe dendro and thereby becomes a reaction-machine is very satisfying in my experience.
Funnily enough, nahida isn't even *that* meta, because once you invest enough into your account dendro teams fall off by a lot, and by extension nahida does too, with probably the only exception being nilou bloom. And even if your account isn't that highly invested, nahida has alternatives like baizhu and kirara, who can offer similar damage ceiling. She is kinda overrated by casuals that don't have invested accounts because of how easy she is too use.
@@musicaddict9058Idk I have a c3r1 lyney, c1r1 neuvi and multiple other dps and dendro still kinda dominates the meta you say that investing in other teams will out perform dendro but with that logic you can invest into dendro like Nahida c2 etc and still get competitive results with other meta teams
@@musicaddict9058 Really loved your comment, it's basically impossible to say anything like that because of the toxicity surrounding Nahida as a character. Theorycrafters included, so much math and not even one is saying how overrated she is, and how her dmg is not that great at all, not to mention her buff which is minimal compared to other buffing units. It takes a brain to separate yourself from the mass and think, i respect that. You are more deserving to be an actual theorycrafter than any other around in my opinion.
@@kosmos138 It's kinda like venti situation all over again. Venti was so broken at first that it took people like a year to adjust their opinions on his meta value once we started getting heavy enemies. It also doesn't help that a lot of TCs, especially zajeff, have entered the feelscrafting era, because there really is no hard content in genshin anymore. He can just recommend hyperbloom to anyone despite it having a lower ceiling than any non dendro team, and feel at ease, cuz hyperbloom is strong enough to clear abyss. Thanks for the kind words tho!
I find it funny that your content reaches so many casual players, but at the same time it means you’re reaching people that NEED your content! Keep up the awesome work, dude
Her best friend is Yae Miko, and now they have Furina too quick swap skill quickenbloom team with Baizhu taking care of them. Ult is no required to clear most content but Yae can do a huge damage with her burst with everyone's buffs
I use her mostly with Dehya, Kuki, and Fischl. Just fun to do 20k+ overloads, to have Nahida's E proc often from the burn, Fischl doing her thing, and Dehya just not caring what floor 12 enemies do. I think people tend to overlook Nahida's ability to do damage from off-field. Sure, it won't match the single target DPS of, say, Yelan, but her ability to hit widely spread out enemies with her E means she has the edge in a lot of situations over other off-fielders.
@@syhamolly465 Tighnari, Raiden, Nahida and Zhongli/Baizhu. Raiden here is for passive Electro but since Tighnari is able to quickswap she's also burst support. Otherwise I'd suggest Yae or Fischl ofc.
After Furina came out, I put her on my Yae Miko teams. I was usually play Yae aggravate with Zhongli, Fischl and Nahida, but now I use Baizhu, Nahida and Furina for quickbloom, a alternativa for Cyno quickbloom, what in my opinion is much flexible and easily to play. The combination of Furina and Nahida is very powerful, and this is better if you have C2 of both.
This was really great to brainstorm team combos! I loved how often Baizhu got a mention as well lol. Would you consider doing a Baizhu guide sometime? I feel like he’s very underrated
Zyox is too dependents on zajef’s opinion, and zajef hates dori and refuses to even give her the benefit of the doubt. Same thing for diluc. We’ll only see an update diluc guide after xianyun, and god knows WHEN he’ll mention dori in a not purely negative light again.
@@cleod7439Nilou already is a burgeon enhancement, if you think about it: it buffs the blooms and gives them a large AoE, removing the complications of burning by removing pyro altogether
A big buff to burgeon would be a hydro dps with consistent and frequent hydro application that can use a 2U hydro attack everytime you trigger burning, this way you can both vape, extinguish burning and trigger blooms thanks to the 2U application. You can pair such a unit with a slow pyro applier with frequent pyro hits like Thoma and Nahida with her strong dendro application. It would be busted.
I know this video is about nahida but just want to say, thank god finally someone that doesn’t like neuvillette hyperbloom/burgeon. Every neuvi team that is not hypercarry is just a waste
I don’t know when he’s hitting 35-45k per hit I don’t need an entire carry setup when hyperblooms hitting 30k+ picks up his sloppy work for me, it feels really good not depending on vv uptime and I think Neuvi has high multipliers so that he’ll still be good without a hyper carry set up in reaction teams just my opinion though
I unironically kept prototype amber on Nahida ever since her launch. I even built my sac frag and widsith just for her to see which one I liked better. Turns out one abyss cycle that was challenging enough for me to switch her into prototype amber was all it took for me to enjoy her healing
I wanna gib light on something thats been a bit slept on and thats undertsandable why too. (Nahida burning with an Anemo in AOE floors) :Nahida,Kaz likely or Venti maybe, Any Pyro likely Benmy or Thoma just any defensive option is better cause Burning is deadly to self, 4th flex usually Zhong or something that doesnt ruin the Burning rather may add something of their own. Also no it aint any top meta team or among best or any such but a really good archetype at its homeground, simply fun and highly effective . Ive played it here n there, for example the 3.6 abyss,which yes imo was among the harder abysses to many.. It was an abyss with whole AOE chambers and Burning was insanely powerful here on the groups of enemy waves... There were many other abysses too i forgot maybe one side of 3.5 abyss or something,also recent 4.2 abyss one side was full aoe but it had a Pyro shield lector so anyways U guys get the idea... Edit: On this topic i wanna also add a new variant of Furina! See u can put Furina into a Nahida Burning team cause she prolly wont be ablw to remove the Burning much rather add her huge vapes and just great personal dmg. Nahida,Furina,Kaz,Benny
Nahida is great against a few strong enemies, but to have to re-apply her skill to every new wave of minions may easily disrupt your rotation. I look forward to a Dendro Xingqiu/Xiangling, but I guess they know that a consistent Dendro off-field applier might be too broken, thanks to hyperbloom
Yeah, my dream would be a character that does the same thing the dendro eremites do, so basically a dendronado if you will. But that would be INSANELY broken, so I'm pretty sure they'll never give us that, at least not without several issues attached to balance it out
Yae Miko is my favorite teammate for Nahida! I think just the two of them can clear pretty much any content in the game. I also like to add tighnari or alhaitham for a very competent spread team
My favorite Nahida team is Main DPS full EM Kazuha + C6 Bennet + Nahida + Yelan/Xingqiu/Kokomi/Furina chose whichever Hydro you like/have Kazuha should burst close to the end of Bennet's burst to get more Pyro Application uptime it's amazingly fun and pretty strong too
It was worth mentioning that Nahida can still use PA in aggravate to get some sustain without losing her buffs and a big chunk of her damage. Sure the damage loss from using PA in this team is more relevant than in a hyperbloom or burgeon team, but still it’s a very nice compromise.
i use the second team option, instead of raiden i use kuki with nahida, fuirna and baizhu. and this team is really powerful. when chevreuse came out i just use raiden in chevreuse team ever since. both teams are fun.
Personally, I value my Yea more than my Furina, but to be honest there are many good alternatives to Yae. So you probably ain't missing out on to much. I wish you good luck on your wishes.
The Dori team is really interesting to build, I haved love Dori after learning the story of how she got her vision. Now I have a great idea of how to play my C6 Dori
A comment about the Fischl Kuki teams, there is not a singular on field, it depends on number and grouping of enemies imo. Fischl can drive her own A4, her A4 will go off far more consistently if she is brought on field, however spamming N1C on Nahida works better when you are trying to leverage max dendro core generation (not needed against single or couple of enemies, but extremely welcome when they mob up) Too many theorycrafters skip thinking this out, for whatever reason Fischl, especially C6 Fischls ability to drive her own A4 is ignored. With that said ive played the team only allowing one or other as on field and the team works regardless, but i recommend playing it Dynamically for best results. With that said if one kept Kuki or Furina on field again the team will work great.”, and imo its best to be open to any as shield breaking and other mechanics demand it at times.
They ignore Fischl as an A4 driver as you really want to be building her on Golden Troupe nowadays and that instantly makes fielding her a terrible option, especially as Fischl's autos lack any sort of infuse so cannot proc her A4 near as fast as someone like Keqing/Yae can and in the case of Kuki/Fischl you lose out on Spread damage(and extra A4 procs) which is rather significant. Theorycrafters don't miss out that step and absolutely do think about it, there's just no scenario where you really want to use Fischl instead of basically anyone else on her team as a driver due to it just being a straight up worse option.
If you are running her with Furina as stated here even without, but especially with C1 or higher your still over any DMG% you could of achieved before by big margin even if you don’t fully activate GTs passive, with GT none vs full being 45% vs 70%. 25% extra is nice but id rather have significantly higher A4 activation as it essentially can about double her damage contribution. No offense intended to anyone but quite frankly nobody thinks about it, like at all.
It’s actually really good but how good exactly varies immensely depending on what the RNG gods give you because Nahida’s preferred stats are rare (EM and CRIT). Go with the best you have available without aiming for a specific EM amount, you can afford the luxury of minmaxing your Nahida only after spending a disgusting amount of resin because of how low the rates on those stats are. Widsith is good, can be better or worse than Sac depending on the situation (generally better) but Fav is also really good for the team if you need some energy and can compensate the marginal damage loss on Nahida. EM when Nahida is on field loses some value, also because you get a lot of it from Nahida’s burst and eventually team buffs but to minmax Nahida you really need to use an optimiser
Both flip and Jamie shat on me for my take but I still think Raiden quickbloom with Nahida furina and baizhu is a fantastic team. Please don’t stone me like I’m a leper in the Middle Ages.
That team is actually meta if you ask me especially if you have c2 Nahida she’s a good dps and can provide 60-70k hyperblooms with kuki or raiden. One of Nahida best teams right now actually so they must be misinformed creators💀
i made a video of my (3.2) abyss run with TF Kazuha-Nahida-Fischl-Venti last year and it was the most fun nahida team i tried, i wonder if that team still holds up today, would love your thoughts on it
I’ve seen Nahida used in Aggrevates with Kazuha, you can just use proto amber or gain less skill issue, but I imagine swirling electro can get kinda annoying with her.
It’s not that bad but you essentially need to keep an eye on the trikarma proc cooldown. Before swapping to Kazuha or whatever anemo to swirl, be sure that the trikarma just proced and that you re-applied electro. As long as you do that and you don’t let dendro overtake the aura, you are good, what annoys me the most is Nahida’s long burst animation because in Keqing aggravate I want very fast rotations
@@xanthee_imr Except Nahida will almost always take over the aura due to her procs being 1.5U and hitting just after every ICD reset, it's incredibly difficult to remove it once it's there and there's very little you can do to stop it. Easier to just play Kirara/Yayoyao in aggravate.
@@Sam-up4ul no that’s a misconception. No matter if Nahida applies 1.5U, 3U or even 100U of dendro: if there’s an electro aura, or quicken + underlying electro aura, she will just refresh quicken. The key is to apply electro frequently so that there’s always gonna be an electro aura and you want to start by applying electro so that pure dendro won’t ever be an aura. That’s why with Nahida in aggravate teams you just press E and Q, never use normals or dendro will overtake
Alhaitham,Kuki,Yelan,Nahida This team ain't ever gonna drop from Meta, a team when all 4 of them are doing Damage is absolutely Insane Strongest Team excluding Neuvillete fr
XQ > Yelan in that team, not only does he apply heavier hydro, the DR and interrupt resistance he grants will in 99.9% of realistic situations end up as more DPS due to not breaking a combo compared to the tiny extra damage yelan grants(even in ideal situations Yelan is only something like 1.7k more dpr, an amount of damage you'll instantly lose if you miss a mirror proc or have to spend a second dashing back to enemies).
@@Sam-up4ul Yelan got Lower Hydro application enabling Alhaitham to do Quicken/Spread while XQ eat away the Entire Electro Aura so Al is doing Raw dendro dmg. and it's much much more than 1.7K dpr
@@Fam98KK XQ absolutely cannot steal it away from Nahi+Haitham and it is 1.7k, look up literally any calcs on it, Yelan's buff is not that big compared to what you give up for them. Her Q only has 15s, same as Kuki E so you either get to choose to lose 3s of HB or 3s of Yelan damage, XQ burst is 18s so removes that downside altogether.
Can I replace Yelan with a C2 Furina with R1 Splendor? I don't like Yelan. I still don't like her because of the whole "constantly threatening to kill you" thing.
I use Nahida on my Yoimiya Burgeon team. A lot Genshin players don't really have an idea how to build teams, they just copy what they see other people do and think characters can only be played the way they see in guides or on KQM. If a character is single-target, build a team that isn't. It's not rocket science. If you have the right supports, you can clear with any character, even Qiqi.
The thing here is... Why would use yoimiya burgeon again multitarget when use thoma instead would do more dmg?? There is a lot of bad teams, the reason why no one use things like "yoimiya burgeon" is cause it's not worth it
Because I can. Genshin is easy enough to clear with anyone. I don't play spreadsheet impact and I'm not in any speedrunning competitions. I like explosions and playing Yoimiya, it's that simple. I can make any character work. "Not worth it" ? It clears, very easily. No Genshin Police are coming arrest me.@@cleod7439
The point is that burgeon with Yoimiya is kinda bad, worse in both ST and AoE than other cheaper and more effective options so especially if you struggle to clear content something like that it’s not a solution. The real skill issue is suggesting something like that to someone who can’t clear comfortably and is looking for help. The reason why it’s unreliable is because it can actually be hard to trigger the seeds since Yoi lacks AoE and if you have the burst available (maybe you use CWoF instead of Shime) you are likely applying way too much pyro for consistent burgeons. I know because I’ve experimented A LOT with Yoimiya burgeon, really a lot. The only Yoi burgeon team which is consistent and good enough to not feel completely cope is double hydro with Baizhu and Furina, but honestly replacing Yoi with Kuki is probably much better because this way you can keep Baizhu on field and produce much more blooms that then become hyperblooms so… yea
@@xanthee_imr You're one of those. Again THIS AIN'T SPREADSHEET IMPACT. YOU ARENT DO SPEEDRUNNING COMPS! "Erm Ackshully". I play Burgeon in real life, it works awesome. Genshin is about playing with characters you like. Too many Genshin players flat out don't know how to build teams, them blame the characters for their short comings.
@@NonMeta_ I’m one of what? I’m just someone who tried things out, tested a lot and came to some conclusion. I have never done any spreadsheet on Yoi, just a lot of in game testing trying to make burgeon work because I like weird stuff, I actually had tons of fun doing it and I’ve cleared Abyss with Nilou fridge so believe me when I say that I like “weird” stuff. You can play anything you want and enjoy the game, nothing stops you, just don’t accuse of skill issue other players that don’t share your peculiar views
@@insxnemxnd3127 [EM>=ATK]/Electro/Crit. You're using spamming skills with an on-field Thundering Fury user with an energy refund passive, an energy generating burst, Electro Resonance, and Fischl as a teammate. Why would you build ER?
The Neuvillette hyperbloom makes no sense. What other two characters are you using that is giving the team significantly more damage? Yeah Neuvillette's personal damage will be higher with something like Kazuha Zhongli, but the team damage won't be noticeably better.
Neuv + Furina + Kazuha alone are enough to outperform Neuv + Kuki + Nahida, at low level investments sure the latter will outperform, but even at low-mid the former team will outperform the HB one with ease, as you scale up more and more investment it continues to outpace it. Add in Baizhu and you can max out Furina buffs, while also being more resilient overall and that's just on single target, the second you even slightly shift towards AOE the former team leaves the latter in the dust.
@@cleod7439 well thats to be expected i just wanted to know how worth it is alhaitham in his Qbloom team cuz last time i saw he's only 35% of the team damage at 73-77K DPS most of that is single target so just wanted to know
I don't have the math but Cyno/Furina/Nahida/Baizhu did the boss half in 4.2 in less than 1:30 for me - yes, all floors in total. I'm fairly certain Asimon and green chicken were like 25s each.
@@alexfromsolitudeTHIS even alhaitham doesn’t benefit from a broken team like that because he has to lose a valuable support one way or another but cyno loves having Furina and Baizhu which were already a great pair + Nahida and everything dies
@@cleod7439I mean Prototype Amber technically isn’t an ER weapon but it’s his most popular choice I believe. Well it has an ER substat so it may be an exception xD
Hello I need help My tighnari build is Em -441,talent-10,8,8 Weapon - sling shot Artifact -4 piece wanderer Ratio -70,190 Teammates are Zhongli with hp build Raiden with eosf And nahida with deepwood and sac frag With full buff i get around 39k spread So with c2 nahida how much my tighnari damage will improve
250% should be fine. I once ran Xiangling solo pyro with Neuvillette in Abyss against bosses with 155% ER only (I was using R5 Kitain and two fav weapons though, also the rotation was very long, so it’s not something I would suggest).
@@HotPepperLala the rotation was 26-30s. With 24+s rotations you can use Gouba twice: if you use Kitain, you get a disgusting amount of energy back. Anyway in other teams I managed to run Xiangling solo Pyro with 180% ER in 20s rotations and only one fav weapon in the team, still against bosses. Just to say that you can get by with reasonable amounts of ER
6:10 correction; this is only true if you have an extremely high investment Neuvillette like C6R5 at which point his hypercarry teams would outdamage hyperbloom/burgeon. Otherwise, hyperbloom Neuvillette (Neuvillette/Furina/Nahida/Raiden) kicks ass, it’s extremely strong and fun to use. Don’t take this guy’s word as gospel, he forgets to differentiate between whales/sweats and the majority of the playerbase.
That is not true at all, even at mid high c0 investment neuvillette's damage potential can be high enough to considerably outperform hyperbloom variants. Actually even a f2p neuvillette can match and surpass what you'd gain from hyperblooms
Bit of a different approach with this one, not as many calcs shown. I thought more care on visual representation would've been better since I surely don't have to sell you on Nahida
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you dont have to sell us Nahida but it's very hard to find actual calculations of teams online, so seeing yours is something many rely on and appreciate
This video is actually really helpful because you spell out the reasons why certain characters do better in the different types of teams - explaining kit mechanics with the visuals is so good for me as a more visual learner so thanks!
Would have preferred more calculations
If anyone has C2 Dori with a range carry like kokomi or mona you could actually trigger hyperbloom from range vs kuki , the uptime lost chasing opponents that moves fast like pma , TM etc with Kuki, therefore damage lost overall. With Dori eventhough she has downtime but compared to the dps lost in chasing for blooms with kuki on a melee carries, Dori is actually much better. This is in no way misinformation those that has Kokomi and Mona should try this.
Dori has the range trigger ability like Raiden and her trigger time is 0.4sec or less, yes faster than Raiden, but she heals and regen ER for the main carry trading with uptime and lower EM, since she needs to use an ER weapon to achieve 200+ ER.
I also loved the calculations, even if reality might be a bit off or slightly unrealistic to get a presented "ideal rotation damage number", just having some numbers as a comparison makes your content stand out from so much of the regular Genshin content creators
So many people recommend Nahida "for meta", which is justified. While a more subjective point, I find that she is also a fun character (meta and fun aren't mutually exclusive; I'm aware, yet they are often posed as such by the community). The way she so effortlessly applies aoe dendro and thereby becomes a reaction-machine is very satisfying in my experience.
Funnily enough, nahida isn't even *that* meta, because once you invest enough into your account dendro teams fall off by a lot, and by extension nahida does too, with probably the only exception being nilou bloom. And even if your account isn't that highly invested, nahida has alternatives like baizhu and kirara, who can offer similar damage ceiling.
She is kinda overrated by casuals that don't have invested accounts because of how easy she is too use.
@@musicaddict9058quicken and quickbloom teams scale greatly with investment
@@musicaddict9058Idk I have a c3r1 lyney, c1r1 neuvi and multiple other dps and dendro still kinda dominates the meta you say that investing in other teams will out perform dendro but with that logic you can invest into dendro like Nahida c2 etc and still get competitive results with other meta teams
@@musicaddict9058 Really loved your comment, it's basically impossible to say anything like that because of the toxicity surrounding Nahida as a character. Theorycrafters included, so much math and not even one is saying how overrated she is, and how her dmg is not that great at all, not to mention her buff which is minimal compared to other buffing units. It takes a brain to separate yourself from the mass and think, i respect that. You are more deserving to be an actual theorycrafter than any other around in my opinion.
@@kosmos138 It's kinda like venti situation all over again. Venti was so broken at first that it took people like a year to adjust their opinions on his meta value once we started getting heavy enemies.
It also doesn't help that a lot of TCs, especially zajeff, have entered the feelscrafting era, because there really is no hard content in genshin anymore. He can just recommend hyperbloom to anyone despite it having a lower ceiling than any non dendro team, and feel at ease, cuz hyperbloom is strong enough to clear abyss.
Thanks for the kind words tho!
I find it funny that your content reaches so many casual players, but at the same time it means you’re reaching people that NEED your content! Keep up the awesome work, dude
Her best friend is Yae Miko, and now they have Furina too quick swap skill quickenbloom team with Baizhu taking care of them. Ult is no required to clear most content but Yae can do a huge damage with her burst with everyone's buffs
I use Nahida + EM Raiden + Furina + Zhongli for AFK farming.
This team is op in my experience and so easy to pull off
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@@4_rol4 Both of you in that case then eh?
@@youdontneedtoknow7548there's tens of us! TENS
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 Hey, its at least 3 with me 😅
I use her mostly with Dehya, Kuki, and Fischl. Just fun to do 20k+ overloads, to have Nahida's E proc often from the burn, Fischl doing her thing, and Dehya just not caring what floor 12 enemies do.
I think people tend to overlook Nahida's ability to do damage from off-field. Sure, it won't match the single target DPS of, say, Yelan, but her ability to hit widely spread out enemies with her E means she has the edge in a lot of situations over other off-fielders.
Tighnari Spread is a staple in Abyss for me. It's so strong. One of my best decisions to get him in 3.0 and Nahida enhances him extremely.
quick bloom tighnari with furina is insane
Is it good with Fischl over Yae?
What is your team?
@@syhamolly465 Tighnari, Raiden, Nahida and Zhongli/Baizhu.
Raiden here is for passive Electro but since Tighnari is able to quickswap she's also burst support.
Otherwise I'd suggest Yae or Fischl ofc.
Same! He carries me so hard! I got Lyney's bow so triple dendro with Nahida and Baizhu + Yae is just so fun and comfy to play too!
I use her as an onfield carry with kuki Xingqui and yelan. This team so far has been unstoppable in abyss!
i swear one side is always this team lol u can’t go wrong its so powerful
i used this team on my c4 nahida and saw on highest single hit dmg was a 120k nahida, chills
@@nousagi5837 for me it’s crazy to see rain swords, dendro seeds, and yelan’s burst all hitting the enemy at once like a machine gun! 💥
After Furina came out, I put her on my Yae Miko teams. I was usually play Yae aggravate with Zhongli, Fischl and Nahida, but now I use Baizhu, Nahida and Furina for quickbloom, a alternativa for Cyno quickbloom, what in my opinion is much flexible and easily to play.
The combination of Furina and Nahida is very powerful, and this is better if you have C2 of both.
Thank you for including Dori in this video. Finally a content creator that recognizes Dori.
This was really great to brainstorm team combos! I loved how often Baizhu got a mention as well lol. Would you consider doing a Baizhu guide sometime? I feel like he’s very underrated
i like this, i wouldnt have minded a bit of a breakdown and comparison on each teams performance
The Nahida Kuki double hydro hyperbloom team took my account to a whole other level.
Wow is this a content creator who doesn't immediately dunk on Dori for no reason? Take notes Nick.
Zyox is too dependents on zajef’s opinion, and zajef hates dori and refuses to even give her the benefit of the doubt. Same thing for diluc. We’ll only see an update diluc guide after xianyun, and god knows WHEN he’ll mention dori in a not purely negative light again.
Your tips about using Furina with Nahida were amazing. Thanks for the video
Finally got Nahida and love her in burn melt with Wriothesley, Thoma and Benny. Probably my favourite team as a Wrio main
Ive been using dori as healing/noblese for my Kqing aggrevate and her aura guarantees electro infusion for Kazuha
Still waiting for burgeon meta😔 it’s better than hyperbloom in aoe if you can avoid burning
Yeah, burgeon needs a nilou. Cause thanks to her bloom team, the burgeon is not even a decent competition in multitarget
@@cleod7439Nilou already is a burgeon enhancement, if you think about it: it buffs the blooms and gives them a large AoE, removing the complications of burning by removing pyro altogether
A big buff to burgeon would be a hydro dps with consistent and frequent hydro application that can use a 2U hydro attack everytime you trigger burning, this way you can both vape, extinguish burning and trigger blooms thanks to the 2U application. You can pair such a unit with a slow pyro applier with frequent pyro hits like Thoma and Nahida with her strong dendro application. It would be busted.
@@cleod7439very true nilou makes burgeon useless😂
I know this video is about nahida but just want to say, thank god finally someone that doesn’t like neuvillette hyperbloom/burgeon. Every neuvi team that is not hypercarry is just a waste
I don’t know when he’s hitting 35-45k per hit I don’t need an entire carry setup when hyperblooms hitting 30k+ picks up his sloppy work for me, it feels really good not depending on vv uptime and I think Neuvi has high multipliers so that he’ll still be good without a hyper carry set up in reaction teams just my opinion though
Exactly, his damage is already so high that buffing him is almost overkill, might as well invest in other damage sources@@Marz333
I really like playing the proto amber nahida variant in alhaitam quickbloom comp with furina, cuz no way in hell I'm getting Baizhu.
Baizhu is crazy good tho. Especially with furina and neuvillette
I unironically kept prototype amber on Nahida ever since her launch. I even built my sac frag and widsith just for her to see which one I liked better. Turns out one abyss cycle that was challenging enough for me to switch her into prototype amber was all it took for me to enjoy her healing
I felt exactly the same way about Baiz and still do in some respects. But after you try him, he doesn't leave your team. Silly useful.
New TGS video just dropped (thank you i Really needes this video)
I knew about burning teams but never thought about neuwilet as a carry for it. Thanks for idea
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Love the guides, I like how innocent the video is but in 5:00 the creepiest OST of genshin plays
I wanna gib light on something thats been a bit slept on and thats undertsandable why too.
(Nahida burning with an Anemo in AOE floors)
:Nahida,Kaz likely or Venti maybe, Any Pyro likely Benmy or Thoma just any defensive option is better cause Burning is deadly to self, 4th flex usually Zhong or something that doesnt ruin the Burning rather may add something of their own.
Also no it aint any top meta team or among best or any such but a really good archetype at its homeground, simply fun and highly effective .
Ive played it here n there, for example the 3.6 abyss,which yes imo was among the harder abysses to many.. It was an abyss with whole AOE chambers and Burning was insanely powerful here on the groups of enemy waves...
There were many other abysses too i forgot maybe one side of 3.5 abyss or something,also recent 4.2 abyss one side was full aoe but it had a Pyro shield lector so anyways
U guys get the idea...
Edit: On this topic i wanna also add a new variant of Furina!
See u can put Furina into a Nahida Burning team cause she prolly wont be ablw to remove the Burning much rather add her huge vapes and just great personal dmg.
Nahida,Furina,Kaz,Benny
Nahida is great against a few strong enemies, but to have to re-apply her skill to every new wave of minions may easily disrupt your rotation. I look forward to a Dendro Xingqiu/Xiangling, but I guess they know that a consistent Dendro off-field applier might be too broken, thanks to hyperbloom
Yeah, my dream would be a character that does the same thing the dendro eremites do, so basically a dendronado if you will. But that would be INSANELY broken, so I'm pretty sure they'll never give us that, at least not without several issues attached to balance it out
@@clementlassalle4317 issues called higher constellations, I guess
Yae Miko is my favorite teammate for Nahida! I think just the two of them can clear pretty much any content in the game. I also like to add tighnari or alhaitham for a very competent spread team
u can clear all the content with any character actually, but youtube got people thinking the need to buy these op characters
What about Kazuha Childe burgeon team? 😆
I’m still waiting for Kazuha rerun to try this out, what do you think?
Who is the healer there ?
@@cleod7439 Bennett
My favorite Nahida team is Main DPS full EM Kazuha + C6 Bennet + Nahida + Yelan/Xingqiu/Kokomi/Furina chose whichever Hydro you like/have
Kazuha should burst close to the end of Bennet's burst to get more Pyro Application uptime
it's amazingly fun and pretty strong too
It was worth mentioning that Nahida can still use PA in aggravate to get some sustain without losing her buffs and a big chunk of her damage. Sure the damage loss from using PA in this team is more relevant than in a hyperbloom or burgeon team, but still it’s a very nice compromise.
i use the second team option, instead of raiden i use kuki with nahida, fuirna and baizhu. and this team is really powerful. when chevreuse came out i just use raiden in chevreuse team ever since. both teams are fun.
disappointed that Wrio burn melt team wasnt mentioned, its pretty strong tbh
"Meth Ganyu" is what my ears heard instead of Melt Ganyu....probably is accurate too LOL
I enjoy using Nahida, Yae Miko and Yela together on my team. The damage fells very high, there aren't many weaknesses and the team is very flexible.
my budget yae is fischl. I have about enough wishes for nahida and yae, but that furina rerun makes me have to skip yae
Personally, I value my Yea more than my Furina, but to be honest there are many good alternatives to Yae. So you probably ain't missing out on to much. I wish you good luck on your wishes.
The Dori team is really interesting to build, I haved love Dori after learning the story of how she got her vision. Now I have a great idea of how to play my C6 Dori
Now i feel better about not being able to get her in 3 consecutive banners
A comment about the Fischl Kuki teams, there is not a singular on field, it depends on number and grouping of enemies imo. Fischl can drive her own A4, her A4 will go off far more consistently if she is brought on field, however spamming N1C on Nahida works better when you are trying to leverage max dendro core generation (not needed against single or couple of enemies, but extremely welcome when they mob up)
Too many theorycrafters skip thinking this out, for whatever reason Fischl, especially C6 Fischls ability to drive her own A4 is ignored.
With that said ive played the team only allowing one or other as on field and the team works regardless, but i recommend playing it Dynamically for best results. With that said if one kept Kuki or Furina on field again the team will work great.”, and imo its best to be open to any as shield breaking and other mechanics demand it at times.
They ignore Fischl as an A4 driver as you really want to be building her on Golden Troupe nowadays and that instantly makes fielding her a terrible option, especially as Fischl's autos lack any sort of infuse so cannot proc her A4 near as fast as someone like Keqing/Yae can and in the case of Kuki/Fischl you lose out on Spread damage(and extra A4 procs) which is rather significant.
Theorycrafters don't miss out that step and absolutely do think about it, there's just no scenario where you really want to use Fischl instead of basically anyone else on her team as a driver due to it just being a straight up worse option.
If you are running her with Furina as stated here even without, but especially with C1 or higher your still over any DMG% you could of achieved before by big margin even if you don’t fully activate GTs passive, with GT none vs full being 45% vs 70%. 25% extra is nice but id rather have significantly higher A4 activation as it essentially can about double her damage contribution. No offense intended to anyone but quite frankly nobody thinks about it, like at all.
How does Widsth compare to her other 4* Weapon options as an on-fielder for Hyperbloom? How much EM to build when using Widsth?
It’s actually really good but how good exactly varies immensely depending on what the RNG gods give you because Nahida’s preferred stats are rare (EM and CRIT). Go with the best you have available without aiming for a specific EM amount, you can afford the luxury of minmaxing your Nahida only after spending a disgusting amount of resin because of how low the rates on those stats are. Widsith is good, can be better or worse than Sac depending on the situation (generally better) but Fav is also really good for the team if you need some energy and can compensate the marginal damage loss on Nahida. EM when Nahida is on field loses some value, also because you get a lot of it from Nahida’s burst and eventually team buffs but to minmax Nahida you really need to use an optimiser
Ill save you time
Answer is yes.
She's actually the only dendro youll ever need in your account.
Both flip and Jamie shat on me for my take but I still think Raiden quickbloom with Nahida furina and baizhu is a fantastic team.
Please don’t stone me like I’m a leper in the Middle Ages.
That team is actually meta if you ask me especially if you have c2 Nahida she’s a good dps and can provide 60-70k hyperblooms with kuki or raiden. One of Nahida best teams right now actually so they must be misinformed creators💀
@@Marz333 sorry by saying Raiden quickbloom, what I meant is you play the team with Raiden on field, kinda like a quickbloom cyno team.
@@zanzatbcoh well I’m sure it’s still good lol I haven’t tried it😭
i made a video of my (3.2) abyss run with TF Kazuha-Nahida-Fischl-Venti last year and it was the most fun nahida team i tried, i wonder if that team still holds up today, would love your thoughts on it
Ooooh, a use for the C6 Dori that her first banner cursed me with?!?
4:24 Oh my god... Dori being useful...
I’ve seen Nahida used in Aggrevates with Kazuha, you can just use proto amber or gain less skill issue, but I imagine swirling electro can get kinda annoying with her.
It's i confirm. Aggravate with kazuha is the only dendro team where i never use nahida
It’s not that bad but you essentially need to keep an eye on the trikarma proc cooldown. Before swapping to Kazuha or whatever anemo to swirl, be sure that the trikarma just proced and that you re-applied electro. As long as you do that and you don’t let dendro overtake the aura, you are good, what annoys me the most is Nahida’s long burst animation because in Keqing aggravate I want very fast rotations
@@xanthee_imr Except Nahida will almost always take over the aura due to her procs being 1.5U and hitting just after every ICD reset, it's incredibly difficult to remove it once it's there and there's very little you can do to stop it. Easier to just play Kirara/Yayoyao in aggravate.
@@Sam-up4ul no that’s a misconception. No matter if Nahida applies 1.5U, 3U or even 100U of dendro: if there’s an electro aura, or quicken + underlying electro aura, she will just refresh quicken. The key is to apply electro frequently so that there’s always gonna be an electro aura and you want to start by applying electro so that pure dendro won’t ever be an aura. That’s why with Nahida in aggravate teams you just press E and Q, never use normals or dendro will overtake
@@xanthee_imr It's not a misconception in the slightest, it's literally how gauge theory and quicken works, plenty of tc'ers have videos on it.
Nahida, c6 Furina, c3 Raiden, C2 Nueva team is my main. It does soooo much, I love it
YOU HAVE C6 FURINA
@@soyeonxxnI feel like everyone has c6 furina but me she’s everywhere I go😭
@@Marz333Furina is best girl so it’s no surprise she deserves the best
This team is so overkill it can redefine the term itself
Exactly, overkill. I don’t know why do that when c0 does the job so well but to each their own
new player just got nahida is neuvilete works with nahida trying to save for him?.
Alhaitham,Kuki,Yelan,Nahida
This team ain't ever gonna drop from Meta, a team when all 4 of them are doing Damage is absolutely Insane
Strongest Team excluding Neuvillete fr
XQ > Yelan in that team, not only does he apply heavier hydro, the DR and interrupt resistance he grants will in 99.9% of realistic situations end up as more DPS due to not breaking a combo compared to the tiny extra damage yelan grants(even in ideal situations Yelan is only something like 1.7k more dpr, an amount of damage you'll instantly lose if you miss a mirror proc or have to spend a second dashing back to enemies).
@@Sam-up4ul Yelan got Lower Hydro application enabling Alhaitham to do Quicken/Spread while XQ eat away the Entire Electro Aura so Al is doing Raw dendro dmg. and it's much much more than 1.7K dpr
@@Fam98KK XQ absolutely cannot steal it away from Nahi+Haitham and it is 1.7k, look up literally any calcs on it, Yelan's buff is not that big compared to what you give up for them.
Her Q only has 15s, same as Kuki E so you either get to choose to lose 3s of HB or 3s of Yelan damage, XQ burst is 18s so removes that downside altogether.
THE DORI PROPAGANDA IS REAL 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Can I replace Yelan with a C2 Furina with R1 Splendor? I don't like Yelan. I still don't like her because of the whole "constantly threatening to kill you" thing.
I use Nahida on my Yoimiya Burgeon team. A lot Genshin players don't really have an idea how to build teams, they just copy what they see other people do and think characters can only be played the way they see in guides or on KQM. If a character is single-target, build a team that isn't. It's not rocket science. If you have the right supports, you can clear with any character, even Qiqi.
The thing here is... Why would use yoimiya burgeon again multitarget when use thoma instead would do more dmg??
There is a lot of bad teams, the reason why no one use things like "yoimiya burgeon" is cause it's not worth it
Because I can. Genshin is easy enough to clear with anyone. I don't play spreadsheet impact and I'm not in any speedrunning competitions. I like explosions and playing Yoimiya, it's that simple. I can make any character work. "Not worth it" ? It clears, very easily. No Genshin Police are coming arrest me.@@cleod7439
The point is that burgeon with Yoimiya is kinda bad, worse in both ST and AoE than other cheaper and more effective options so especially if you struggle to clear content something like that it’s not a solution. The real skill issue is suggesting something like that to someone who can’t clear comfortably and is looking for help.
The reason why it’s unreliable is because it can actually be hard to trigger the seeds since Yoi lacks AoE and if you have the burst available (maybe you use CWoF instead of Shime) you are likely applying way too much pyro for consistent burgeons. I know because I’ve experimented A LOT with Yoimiya burgeon, really a lot. The only Yoi burgeon team which is consistent and good enough to not feel completely cope is double hydro with Baizhu and Furina, but honestly replacing Yoi with Kuki is probably much better because this way you can keep Baizhu on field and produce much more blooms that then become hyperblooms so… yea
@@xanthee_imr You're one of those. Again THIS AIN'T SPREADSHEET IMPACT. YOU ARENT DO SPEEDRUNNING COMPS! "Erm Ackshully". I play Burgeon in real life, it works awesome. Genshin is about playing with characters you like. Too many Genshin players flat out don't know how to build teams, them blame the characters for their short comings.
@@NonMeta_ I’m one of what? I’m just someone who tried things out, tested a lot and came to some conclusion. I have never done any spreadsheet on Yoi, just a lot of in game testing trying to make burgeon work because I like weird stuff, I actually had tons of fun doing it and I’ve cleared Abyss with Nilou fridge so believe me when I say that I like “weird” stuff. You can play anything you want and enjoy the game, nothing stops you, just don’t accuse of skill issue other players that don’t share your peculiar views
Need part 2
Nahida raiden Xingqiu barbra works ?
I'm currently building TF Dori, what main stats does she want then?
ER and EM
@@cleod7439 so no attack and no crit even though on field quick swap?
@@insxnemxnd3127 [EM>=ATK]/Electro/Crit.
You're using spamming skills with an on-field Thundering Fury user with an energy refund passive, an energy generating burst, Electro Resonance, and Fischl as a teammate. Why would you build ER?
The Neuvillette hyperbloom makes no sense. What other two characters are you using that is giving the team significantly more damage? Yeah Neuvillette's personal damage will be higher with something like Kazuha Zhongli, but the team damage won't be noticeably better.
Neuv + Furina + Kazuha alone are enough to outperform Neuv + Kuki + Nahida, at low level investments sure the latter will outperform, but even at low-mid the former team will outperform the HB one with ease, as you scale up more and more investment it continues to outpace it. Add in Baizhu and you can max out Furina buffs, while also being more resilient overall and that's just on single target, the second you even slightly shift towards AOE the former team leaves the latter in the dust.
so in a team core of nahida kuki and one of the 3 XQs how much of a difference in DPS is using fischl VS alhaitham?
Alhaitham is better, fischl don't have a good electro trigger in that team
@@cleod7439 well thats to be expected i just wanted to know how worth it is alhaitham in his Qbloom team
cuz last time i saw he's only 35% of the team damage at 73-77K DPS
most of that is single target so just wanted to know
Which is the highest dmg ceiling team she can be in?
I don't have the math but Cyno/Furina/Nahida/Baizhu did the boss half in 4.2 in less than 1:30 for me - yes, all floors in total. I'm fairly certain Asimon and green chicken were like 25s each.
Alhathem+kuki+yelan+nahida probably
Prob nahida c2- alhaitham - kuki- furina c2
@@alexfromsolitudeTHIS even alhaitham doesn’t benefit from a broken team like that because he has to lose a valuable support one way or another but cyno loves having Furina and Baizhu which were already a great pair + Nahida and everything dies
Ah okay, i got everything execpt, well Alhaitham, so maybe ill do some Neuvilette team@@soyeonxxn
one question on the goblet on Nahida, EM or dendro goblet on Nahida and is it different if she is C0 vs C2?
1. It depends on your artifacts and team.
2. What c2 modifies is a separate multiplier and doesn't affect the balance between EM and DMG%. See 1.
em > dendro when
It depends, both are good and both can be better than the other depending on scenario and on what you have. In doubt just use the best one
Ganyu is THE BEST for reverse melt burgeon!
Best Nahida use case is to replace her with Baizhu because he's better🗣️🗣️🗣️
PREACH 🗣🗣🗣
You're not wrong, but you're also not right.
W bro
why not slap a prototype amber on her and call her Baizhu 🤔
Shut up Minor
hyperbloom in my opinion is strongest.
My italian neighbor, you are so handsome and nice to me
Dori vermillion
Why Baizhu with solar pearl?! Am I missing something?
I thing he just swap weapon between him and Baizhu (Baizhu without er/energy weapon is pretty much meme xd)
@@cleod7439I mean Prototype Amber technically isn’t an ER weapon but it’s his most popular choice I believe. Well it has an ER substat so it may be an exception xD
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Hello
I need help
My tighnari build is
Em -441,talent-10,8,8
Weapon - sling shot
Artifact -4 piece wanderer
Ratio -70,190
Teammates are
Zhongli with hp build
Raiden with eosf
And nahida with deepwood and sac frag
With full buff i get around 39k spread
So with c2 nahida how much my tighnari damage will improve
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You’re so handsome and cutee
yeah guys just run 400% ER on Xiangling for that Neuv team
250% should be fine. I once ran Xiangling solo pyro with Neuvillette in Abyss against bosses with 155% ER only (I was using R5 Kitain and two fav weapons though, also the rotation was very long, so it’s not something I would suggest).
@@xanthee_imr Yeah if u are willing to make your rotation 2 mins long, 100% ER on xiangling is just fine.
@@HotPepperLala the rotation was 26-30s. With 24+s rotations you can use Gouba twice: if you use Kitain, you get a disgusting amount of energy back. Anyway in other teams I managed to run Xiangling solo Pyro with 180% ER in 20s rotations and only one fav weapon in the team, still against bosses. Just to say that you can get by with reasonable amounts of ER
Lets be honest... if it wasn't for TGS we would have forgotten about Dori XD
Keqing huge L?
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6:10 correction; this is only true if you have an extremely high investment Neuvillette like C6R5 at which point his hypercarry teams would outdamage hyperbloom/burgeon. Otherwise, hyperbloom Neuvillette (Neuvillette/Furina/Nahida/Raiden) kicks ass, it’s extremely strong and fun to use. Don’t take this guy’s word as gospel, he forgets to differentiate between whales/sweats and the majority of the playerbase.
That is not true at all, even at mid high c0 investment neuvillette's damage potential can be high enough to considerably outperform hyperbloom variants. Actually even a f2p neuvillette can match and surpass what you'd gain from hyperblooms
this comment is exactly why hyperbloom has been called overrated lmaoooo ppl still underestimate how easy it is to outperform hyperbloom
Bro showing off chocolate flavors with removing chocolate I want to take the drugs what bro is taking making this video😂
What?
Lets be real tgs, raiden quickbloom is some dog 💩
Dori 🤢🤢🤢🤢
Free Nahida next patch guys trust 🗣️🗣️🗣️