"YOUR WELCOME" with Michael Malice
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2023
- Michael Malice (“YOUR WELCOME”) is joined by political commentator and internet streamer, Destiny, to discuss how he defines his political beliefs, his heated debate with Milo Yiannopoulous, and his thoughts on the various sides of the transgender rights movement.
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It's MY welcome!? nice.
Love your work Michael. Terrible choice in guest though. There better options to get an asinine point of view.
Hmm typically I see you pushback against people when they make statements in such bad faith. 49:20 and 51:30 is some extreme cognitive dissonance from your guest. Says he’s only heard the “vaccine stuff” from RFK. Does not elaborate. Says he completely disregards him. Within two minutes he’s preaching about reading more than just headlines. Gross.
It's OUR welcome, but yes, clearly
RYAN DAWSON babe!! Get him in
I'm so glad Michael has been able to have so many good discussion with female guests
Lmao. Destiny does act like one.
BOOM... ROASTED!
That's insulting sir, complete false equivalency
They may not be able to drive, but women don't deserve that dude, way harsh
Chivalry persists.
I just wish Michael would clean up his mouth after giving out those BJs before starting his show.
As much as I disagree with 95% of Destiny's positions, I've actually kinda grown to respect her.
Perfect
Im more a Social Democrat than a conservative but i can say the same about the Malice.
Despite the self flatulence
Its a shame that he;s the only one on the left bread tube that seems to actually have their own ideas.
Cool so you're just another weak boomer who embraces his enemies good for you. Destiny would literally force vaccinate and trans your kids if he could but you pat yourself on the back for enriching him. You're the problem, retard.
"The facts aren't really important, the facts are just proxies essentially for moral positions, and when you argue against any of the facts people feel like you're arguing against the moral position."
What a fantastic explanation.
Yeah, that seems to be the core of the shitshow. But these things are always dynamic processes. It might get worse before it gets better but sooner or later we are gonna sober up. On all sides. When reality comes knocking ain't nobody gonna have time for this shit, it's a cancer born from people being too prosperous for their own good. Back when people worked 14-hour shifts in the coal mine nobody had the energy to mix facts with moral positions just to keep the argument going. At least not for the sake of keeping it going.
I mean, it's a good thing that people no longer trust the "facts" coming out from the establishment. But then the trouble becomes: "who do you trust?". And everybody is gonna choose their own pick. And discard everything else as "fake news" or "toxic". So by giving up a uniformity that was misleading us for at least a century, we created a digital tribalism. Hopefully, that will turn out great in the long run. Personally, I think technology is the only answer, we have dug ourselves to tight into these cultural trenches.
I'll give him credit. He consistently finds ways to articulate genuinely insightful ideas that most people instinctively agree with but there isn't really a universal way of expressing it.
I don't care for his stance on covid but I also can't stand the anti v@xx arguments. I honestly think that Destiny could make a better argument than I could, but I think there is an observable reality about viruses like covid, and that is, they are way too unstable to create an effective v@x against. The reason that polio, measles, mumps, small pox etc have been treated so effectively is because they are fairly stable viruses that are way less prone to mutating. Which is why we have nearly eradicated those diseases. But covid is much closer to a cold or flu in terms of our immune response and it's ability to continually mutate.
I think it just happens to be harmful enough, that people have trouble accepting the possibility that the results are inevitable, regardless of how hard we try to implement medical intervention. Unfortunately, I think most of the people who debate Destiny on this issue are coming at him with much more extreme arguments. But at the end of the day, I just don't support mandates for this particular situation. I fully support making treatment accessible to anyone who wants it, and providing it free of charge. And I still endorse v@x mandates that cover all the classics (small pox, measles, polio etc). I just think that there is a legitimate benefit to developing natural immunity to a virus that is already an insignificant threat.
that's why if you are a scientist who only cares about empiricism, i.e. "the facts" you don't need to argue with some stupid dingbat whose brain malfunctions or selectively cherry picks the info for themselves. You just listen to dr. robert malone, dr. peter mcculough, dr. pierre kory, dr mercola and some other deeper thinker/scientists on the issue and don't need to listen to some completely out of his league laughable retard like destiny. I mean give me a break, we're listening to blue haired freaks on immunology now? Hah!
@@RustCole01you understand nothing about vaccines
@@joshlockie9285 God tier rebuttal bro. Keep up the good work... the internet is counting on you.
Destiny wins the award for the highest level of respect with the lowest level of agreement.
Anybody who respects a blue haired cuck is themselves a blue haired cuck
That's a fair assessment. I personally find it refreshing when I can disagree with someone but still understand and appreciate where they're coming from and how they reasonably arrived there. I've been appreciating a lot of the Destiny stuff I've been coming across lately.
@@Matt-gf4gdHe’s completely wrong on the vaccine and Ukraine, but I respect his debating skills., and that he’ll take on all challengers, including people like Fuentes who many will only condemn with no debate.
@@psychonautpupildiallater7734 yeah I certainly don't see eye to eye with him on everything, but that's fine. What I respect is people with divergent views who can still reasonably debate their ideas in good faith, which he seems to do.
@@Matt-gf4gd Yea, I agree with all of that, plus he’s good at debating, you gotta give him that, at the least. I loved when he wrecked David Pakman, and Sam Seder on the Rittenhouse stuff. But then I go back to hating him when he gets shit wrong., I guess that’s what makes him more interesting than most of these debate bros on the circuit?
The fact that destiny’s parents are conservatives makes so much sense
The fact he us a 30 something teenager is amazing.
@@invisobull 💯
@@codythomas52Turns out being bisexual and in an open relationship keeps you young. Who woulda thought
@@CRWeaventureyou don’t understand what is desirable in youth.
@@Xplora213 Please enlighten us
Michael really bringing women to the forefront lately with Roseanne and now destiny.
Lol
🤣
I'm just glad she's defending the good name of the Clinton's.
Is this dude trans?
That's sarcasm, right?
@@leithsapitan1428 No Destiny is a girls name
@leithsapitan1428 you're so predictable. You take every bait. How does that feel, to always be that predictable, surface-level simpleton?
Destiny is the sort of liberal I could pretty easily be friends with. Seems like a pretty decent dude. He's also a 10/10 Olympic-level mental gymnast in his ability to rationalize almost anything.
It comes from his high acceptance of altruism. A lot of his arguments boil down morally to "the greater good".
Aristotle's Virtue Ethics at display
Sucker!
Destiny’s a pedo, says a lot about you.
He'd let you bang his wife too so that's a plus.
The research on the topic is deep enough, so I will clarify for Destiny: Nazis were indeed socialists. They broke up all the private labor unions and created the largest, State-run Labor Union in the world. If the US President decreed to break up the teamsters, and teachers Union, railworkers and air traffic controller union, etc, and stuck them into the "American Worker Collective" would you say "Yes, that's capitalism at work." No, their policies were Socialism A different kind, a particularly bad kind. If I were a Champion of 'gib me that' policy, I would look at what they did wrong to stay away from it.
Nazis were so socialist that they sent communists to concertation camps together with gays and jews. The fact that nazis were authoritarian and populist doesn't makes them socialist, it makes them nazis.
I like how you left out the part where it wasn’t for the people at all it’s not socialism if hitler only did it to empower the war machine and mainline things to make things easier for him (a dictator) did the vacaro bros in Central America practice socialism because they built the entire nations infrastructure? No it was a form of brutal capitalism/ corporatism, to look at just a method or policy out of context and say yup that’s socialism or not is so reductive and retarded it makes me think your a libertarian/ anarchist ;)
but mustache man bad so that cant be true!
If that’s your best example of nazis being socialist because your butt hurt that’s literally just right wing politics with no checks or balances then great job!
Apparently not deep enough for your tiny brain. The creation of that same "labor" union corresponded with the abolishment of (like you said) independent labor unions, outlawing of collective bargaining (meaning no strikes/protests), inclusion of EMPLOYERS within the union - essentially granting them full power over workers, being able to prohibit them from getting new jobs among other things.
The leader of the DAF is literally quoted, promising "to restore absolute leadership to the natural leader of a factory-that is, the employer... Only the employer can decide."
Not very socialist.
It’s so nice of Michael to have a trans man on to share his opinions no matter how violently wrong they are. 😅
Lmaooo he gets you creatures so mad by just existing 😂😂
@@SauceAppleEater_2885 r/whoosh
Destiny is one of those guys that frustrates the shit out of me, but is a breathe of fresh air at the same time. I don't agree with some of what he says, but I know it's at least coming from a good place.
*girls
*she
Its probably because youre retarded
It's not coming from a good place at all lol. It's all performative for e-whore pussy.
@@MsTifalicious imagine having the arrogance to think you can correct someone else’s speech.
@@paarkerIt’s a common joke in the Destiny fan base to refer to him as a woman, chill
She's a brave woman, and brave to come out as a polly advocate.
To be fair, calling a man "she" shouldn't be considered an insult - it's just grammatically wrong. Being a woman isn't bad.
@@SL2797 I think your internalised misogyny made you feel I was using the female pronouns in a disparaging way but I was not. Please do better
who is Polly?
Destiny dismisses RFK Jr. in the exact manner in which he condemns others for being sure and dismissing subjects.
It's because RFK is crazy and he's a compulsive liar.
@@martincerny3294 lol
100% agree. One minute he's talking about how people should get along and engage with each other in a cordial manner and next minute he's name-calling people who disagree with him.
I like Destiny a lot, but his simping for institutions feels borderline disingenuous.
@@martincerny3294 Ah so if you subjectively decide someone is crazy you can treat them badly. Why should anyone take this crazy compulisve liar Destiny seriously then?
He hadn't researched about him, what would he say?
Not a crossover I was expecting but I’m glad to see it
Y'all don't agree on anything, but you had a civil discussion.
Well done.
Only because he didn't respond to any of his claims 🙄, he was allowed to speak his opinions no matter how wrong they are. We can see who is on his own island 🏝
they agreed on a few things
The time of discussing topics with these kind of people is over. The only reason why this discussion seemed civil is because none of that blue haired cucks statements were challenged. Like the person above stated, he was allowed to speak his opinions no matter how wrong they were.
"don't agree on anything"? Did you just came here to make that comment without watching even a minute of the video?
Wtf do you mean they agreed on multiple things…. Like did you watch the episode
Would love to see a longer convo about 1 subject between you two. Would be fascinating to iron out some philosophical differences. I know the audience would learn a lot from both of you :)
It's the same as anyone he tries to iron out things with. This is "pass the butter please sir" destiny... he'll always justify the convo to his chat later.
I feel the same way. This was a good introduction, though. I'd like to hear them go deeper into the establishment vs. anti-establishment dynamic.
Agree. Both of them have solid arguments in the theoretical level. I like the way malice listens intently.
The litmus test question at 55:19 was hilarious. Especially watching it a second time and only paying attention to Michael's reaction.
Saw the thumbnail and was like "cool, if anyone can make me like Destiny it will be MM". Turns out no one can make me like Destiny.
His interactions with Aba from Aba and Preach, made me understand, and like her more. Just now as someone i don't necessarily dislike.
Hahaha I said the same thing about sam Harris on lex Friedman . Turns out no one likes sam Harris .. lol
Couldn't agree more😊
Watch him debate Vaush?
Why though? I think he’s a very sensible liberal . His message stands btw - both groups need to stop their defenses and learn to talk and work with each other. I doubt like hell this will happen though
Destiny makes some good points about tribalism and echo chambers and bias but it all applies to him, probably to all of us but him even more than most. When he says RFK is a lunatic that’s based on headlines and the kind of bubbles he is in where all alternative prospectives are laughed off to uphold the authority of the institutions he is admittedly committed to defending.
Why do you believe it’s because of bubbles and not for legitimate reasons?
It could be he just doesn't want a member of a crime family in office?
@@wadebaccaI could make an argument for why some of his positions are correct and he’s not a lunatic but every single person would argue their position is legitimate so it’s a pointless argument.
I just see that his view of RFK was very surface level. it’s the kind of view you’d come to by not watching any of his interviews, reading his book or listening to his rallies but instead seeing the headlines and popular criticism, branding him a conspiracy theorist and being done with your investigation.
@@fifiadanI agree, he’d probably agree with RFK on many issues, but the vaccine is a one issue deal breaker for Destiny… it’s right there with his TDS.
@@psychonautpupildiallater7734I'm pretty sure he wouldn't. At least not on the important things like vaccine, Ukraine, the media etc.
Michael absolutely brings out the most palatable version of Destiny. Malice’s unique interviewing style, characterized by his calm, unassuming yet never weak-willed or uncertain conversational quality, paired with his refreshing questions (not only in what he chose to ask but also how and when he chose to ask) alllowed him to have his way with Destiny in a manner I’ve not seen anyone else do.
Kudos Mikey Mal!
And ps gracias too
I was thinking it was the exact opposite. Destiny brings out the most palatable version of Malice
@@craigrideout490 they both are simply tickling each others testicles.
I'm starting to think these two fellas had a good talk
You clearly haven't seen too many interviews with Steven in that case..
@@alexanderfrench9236
I feel like Steven at least acknowledges his biases and is willing to change when presented with facts as long as they support his values (and often even when disputing his values) while I get the opposite feeling from Michael.
Destiny has definitely improved his behavior over the years. He's gone from annoying to genuinely interesting.
Well, it helped when the LEFT of left took over the mainstream Democrats and their vision.
Yes! I agree.
No. He's even more of a cringe f-slur than ever
Almost first words are ‘I will defend the cdc and fda’. You have to be a liar to do that.
You couldn’t merely be mistaken?
I’ve heard Destiny say the government should be able to force to you take a vaccine if it’s ever necessary for public health. I’ve heard Michael argue there should be no government. I hope this debate is interesting considering how opposed they are.
Could’ve been an interesting conversation. I wish they would’ve spent more time on that.
This is not debate, not everything is a debate. Malice doesn't even do debates.
I don't think destiny ever said that
@@devonthompson9922destiny absolutely said it but he qualified it by saying optically it would just look bad as he traveled to multiple countries and 5 or 6 different states. He once went to Georgia where covid was spread amongst his basement dwelling audience while they proceeded to canvas for the upcoming election lol
@@devonthompson9922He did according to him it’s part of your buy in to society. I heard it when it I used to watch his streams he said it in response to a chatter.
This is a good visual representation of red-pilled and blue-pilled with Michael's shirt and Destiny's hair.
Destiny's points couldn't punch their way out off a wet paper bag
Honestly these guys could do a Lefty Righty couple podcast together and it would rock. Two very reasonable people who are very intellectual and articulate and always perfectly encapsulate every issue they cover.
Michael is way to progressive on social issues to be considered right wing...
@@reilysmith5187 whatever his label is, it would be a good podcast together
did you hear Destiny in the last 10 minutes laying out strawman after strawman?
I always start to like him and then he always turns batshit insane. "Republicans will lose their shit if you they find out you're teaching children that gay people exist", literally a statement he made. Oh come on...
@@TransRoofKoreanI think he was referring to Florida's so called "don't say gay" bill. Maybe a bit hyperbolic, but it's not a straw man.
@@TransRoofKorean The same republicans that lose their shit about Hunter Biden's c*ck?
Is destiny playing factorio during this?
Republicans are not going to be against teaching children that private parts are not for others to see. Thats just insane.
Do you represent the Republicans?
@tiromandal6399 yes, I do!
Leave the children alone!
Why can't you people understand and do that one simple thing. STOP already. Let them be kids!
@@usucdik they're beyond compromise. They're too sick and twisted to change.
@@deathbycognitivedissonance5036 LEAVE THEM ALONE
So glad to see my two favorite queens finally chat. ❤
lol facts
Yassss Queens
I’ve been wanting Michael to get this chick on for ages.
(In all seriousness, please do more/longer podcasts with Destiny. The guy’s a special dude. Much like yourself Misha.)
FINALLY! A FEMALE GUEST
There was one last week too though!
Was not expecting this interview to go this well, Michael is extremely good faith, and it's refreshing to see how much rationale/sensibility both these guys share!
Shitlord on Twitter but the exact opposite in person
😊
This dude lost me at I trust the state’s institutions.
General Motors, the FDA, the SSA… WATCH OUT, THEY ARE GONNA LOAD YOU UP ON A TRAIN
How would a country function without institutions?
@@albinorhino6 Institutions are fine, trust is for suckers.
@@maintaint3003something something leaky bucket
Well if you loose insittutions, you loose democracy. People don't realize that but working institutions are the most important thing in democracy. That's why the supreme court in Israel is such a huge topic right now. Once you loose checks and balances, it's over.
The exact quote is: Matt Walsh - "I’m sure someone’s gonna fact check me on it, but my guess is that we’re in - we’re into the millions now at this point. Yeah, that would be my guess."
I became aware of Destiny from playing Starcraft 2 and seeing some idiot streamer making a fool of himself constantly. Glad he's keeping to that tradition.
love that Destiny still hasn't viewed Vivek. the blind spot is enormous
He said his best skill is what he doesn’t talk about. He is a great sophist, and enjoys lying by omission.
Why should someone care about a candidate in the primaries of a party they don't support that's polling in the single digits?
@@jorgemartinez42069 pursuit of Truth
Met Destiny at a Miami strip club. Best lap dance I ever got
lol
The roasting of Destiny on here is amazing 😂😂😂😂
She needs more marinate.
If calling him a "her" is amazing tier roasting to you then welcome to the internet lil one.
It's top tier incel humor
This is a meme in his community. All of the comments calling destiny "her" or a woman, are his own followers. Lmao
@soulseeker1729 the funniest part is that you guys dont know this has been a running gag for years and all these old conservatives are taking it as an actual insuly towards him lmao
Destiny doesn't get the right wing opposition to some of the "trans issues" and he ends up painting a caricature of their positions. I think he needs to engage more in good faith on that issue
I haven't finished this episode but I've listened to a lot of his discussions on the trans issue, what do you think he's missing about your perspective?
@matt-mel he simply doesn't engage in good faith he doesn't take people at their words and tries to strawman them despite their own claims. He does this so he can argue against what he claims they say rather than what they actually believ because that would take him actually listening to someone else to understand not listening to respond.
To be fair, the Air Force was barely a military branch until Space Force came along.
You're expecting a guy who tried to ruin another guy's life because he annoyed him to have good faith?
“Right wing opposition” is a monolith and I doubt every right wing person holds the same beliefs on trans issues. What part of his explanation did you think was wrong or bad faith?
How is this dude considered red pilled???
He's not, he just doesn't conform to a lot of woke narratives and dogmas. Kyle Rittenhouse comes to mind.
Sometimes not wanting to support a war doesn't mean you love Russia. Sometimes it means you fear nuclear winter.
He's literally blue lol
@@gustavgans9082sure but Kyle rittenhouse isn’t policy it’s hardly even politics. Ask this guy his opinions on anything from taxes to sex work he’s pretty left wing on almost everything. It’s a sham to even call this guy moderate
@@IamName-vn7wp Exactly hte guy's a charade. He's the Dave Rubin of the left
I stopped listening 3 minutes in after Destiny said I'll defend the CDC...
Ben's rules are
1) Finish high school
2) Don't have babies til after marriage
3) Get a job
and you will never be poor in America
Which are more of a if you're not poor in America you will finish high school, not have babies until marriage, get a job.
If you're poor in America, whoops
@@JassZoigelthis makes no sense...you don't have to be not poor to finish high school or not have babies before getting married
@@manofculture584 but you are more likely to not finish high school if you need money and you are more likely to have children if you don't have money
@@JassZoigelno, all those things are choices, they're not determined by your social class
@@bradders9743 needing a job is a choice? hint: it's the first word
"When an Anarchist is poor he breaks laws; when he is rich he makes them. In neither case does he ever dream of obeying them." -- G.K. Chesterton
one step closer to the Destiny - Ben Shapiro crossover 🙌
It happened!
@@TheNheg66 IT DID! Hope there are many more to come - most refreshing debate ive heard in years
@@Uncle_Yam i completely agree with you on that, and I've watched many.
Milo fumbled big time debating Destiny. Was so sad to watch.
It really is a wild world we live in where state governments think that forcing like an entire 10 high school trans athletes to compete only in their birth sex is somehow this hugely important task to accomplish.
@mutegamingstuff9120 do you play any sports?
@@Beautyargentina6 Yes.
Well, when you have out of touch figures, like Matt Walsh, controlling the discourse while believing millions of kids are on hormone blockers, then it's no surprise that some state governments would disproportionately spend their attention to something so utterly inconsequential.
The institutions have to earn the right to be trusted and defended. They have not done so.
Yeah, totally. Better destroy it all and be left with nothing.
What would that look like, institutions earning trust?
@@chrisdistant9040 Well, we could start with the medical profession saying that there are only 2 genders, you are born female or male, and that is what you will always be.
@@usucdik way to completely misunderstand their sentiment ❤️
You’re smart
@@chrisdistant9040 idk, maybe stop all the lying? Does that help with trust? Who knows, life’s a mystery 😂🙏❤️
Wow, Michael sure soft-balled with Destiny here.
Michael said he only knows him because Destiny went on Jesse Lee Peterson’s show.
It's always impressive how Destiny can somewhat know a topic yet completely miss the point or what's actually happening around that topic or what would elicit what he assumes would be the response to it.
Well I think not .....because I've seen this dude read for days and hours on subjects he's about to debate the problem is most of you go into a conversation expecting your guy to shit all over his ideas and you already come in "knowing " your side is correct with out any substantive amount of proof
Most of people he debates have surface level understanding but their audiance who already believe evrything they says will all ways say my side won ! With out verifing or even considering destiny is correct
@@chrishernandez8504 destiny doesnt know or care that Google is biased to the left, and neither do you apparently. Destiny also regards CNN as a legitimate news source. Nice clown outfit dude.
@@jonglenister3268 what do "Google biases" have to do with researching topics ? Google doesn't control the information on the sites(unless it's CP or some illegal 💩, so what sites are "controlled by Google " ....
My God if you believe that to be true I have an amazing business opportunity for you
For $6,000 I can sell you a pet rock that stops 5G WiFi from controlling your brain and a monthly fee of $1,500 to train your rock to also stop the matrix
@@chrishernandez8504 You're just describing Destiny and his fans. All I've seen him due his whine that people shout over him, and then shout over them. I think he's very funny with people like Mccinnes bu intellectually he's clearly worthless.
@@laurakain1524 So all you've seen him do is shout ??? 😂 what world are you people living in ? I used to be dumbfounded when people like you would throw out accusations like this when we have video proof ! but now I'm honestly starting to think that you actually see him "screaming and never answering question "
Even when he answer every question and only raises his voice when people won't let him talk or people won't answer HIS questions
Just last week during his debate with Trent the pro life guy Trent tried to throw out this allegations as Well and destiny debunked the entire thing to his face and people in the whatever podcast chat where still saying he "didn't answer any questions all he did was talk fast " when destiny pointed out that Trent had a clipboard with a check mark on every answered question and destinys answers writin beneath question he asked
He has some good points but then loses credibility when he says no trans raped or abused women in the women’s bathrooms or conservatives would be yelling from the rooftops. It did happen on several occasions and they did yell from the rooftops. Also mulan and misses doubtfire are not a good point trying to say people on the right would lose their minds I guess you don’t remember the story lines.
Destiny is insanely wrong about his last take. Also: "Don't read the headlines" and then "An old person attacked a kid for being a trans or something." This is exactly why people have to actively remember that articulate does not equal intelligence.
He doesn't even realize how what he says everyone else is, he is.
Braindead comment
not a BAD interview. glad that Michael pushed back on some of the more ridiculous points later on, but still.... implying that the nazi's weren't actually socialists and that democrats weren't the party of slavery within the first 5 minutes with not even a raised eyebrow? can't in good faith give this one a thumbs up.
Eh. Those things hardly mean anything in todays world. Why do I care what a party was doing 80-200 years ago (one of which is now a dead and gone party)
And I’m not implying one shouldn’t know history, but I would shut myself out because of two indifferent points
If Nazis were socialists, why did they send socialists to concentration camps and otherwise persecute them?
Must be difficult to live a life of moral relativism, and constant circular thinking. It sounds like (some people) , like your guest just enjoys the mental gymnastics.
you described him so beautifully
On fucking pointttt!!
Destiny is the worst kind of moral relativist. At least the others have shame, he will straight up tell you it’s not morally wrong to have relations with a baby, it’s just currently considered wrong. Makes it pointless to even talk to him when he can support whatever suits him with no moral grounding.
@@fifiadan that’s why I hate moral relativism you can justify anything
@@fifiadan I felt like like I was kind of doing well . Until he decided child sexual predation was over blown , then after that I can’t seem to have any Understanding of his positions.Reminds me of the time I went on first date ,and the girl I was with totally verbally assaulted the waitress, after that I was done .Check please!!
This was great but too short. I hope they have a longer chat that is less meta and gets more into specific issues.
Micheal, why are you afraid to challenge this girl?
Who is the real man here?
Destiny is not as reasonable nor does he have sound positions. His definition of grooming is wrong. One can be groomed for labor trafficking.
Malice looks so proud of having such a cool convo with his son
It’s ma’am
Destiny and Dave had a recent Twitter Interaction that led to an argument. Would love to see a debate between the two. Malice or Josie would be a good moderator.
“When you and I were kids.” - Destiny, she was a kid in the 2000s. Malice was a kid in the 1960s.
Malice was born in 1976.
@@snicky58 did you ever think you’d live to be an NPC fact checker?
His wife’s boyfriend really enjoyed this episode.
😂 Beta!
This dude is fucking creepy.....the last segment is alarming
Destiny absolutely got destroyed by Michael in this conversation, he didn't have an answer for most of Michaels points. I expected better from Destiny, he comes off as intelligent and a good debater but here it was just a blood bath.
My favorite moment is when he had no response to Destiny being a girls name.
A wildly fascinating conversation.
Definitely a good listen.
Certainly much better conversation by Destiny than I've seen in other venues, but by his own admission, he tends to 'meet the energy' of the other participants of conversations (for good or bad).
Very good conversation.
I was wanting this discussion for a few weeks now, I’m glad we finally got it, I am surprised there wasn’t more disagreement.
Imagine a world where podcasters have more political credibility than lifetime bureaucrats.
I don't understand what you mean. Destiny openly admitted to being under the influence of the political direction of his backers right there in the middle of the podcast, and implied that all of them were just as untrustworthy as the legacy media.
@@pdstorhis "backers"???
@@pdstorwhat “backers”?
1:05:27 - Yea I'm pretty sure that has always been the stance on bathrooms. Men do not, have not and will not care if a woman comes into the men's room, it happens all the time at sporting events and concerts where they line is too long for the women's room. The issue is unidirectional, people only care about men going into the women's room, the same way we only really care about men invading women's sports, because we as a society have created safe spaces for women since they are generally smaller, weaker, and far easier to physically overpower.
I'd rather see you interview Nick Fuentes instead.
Why? So he can blame a certain group of people for every problem in the world ever.
@@thunderwatch8463 Does he blame normal whites for everything too?
@@thunderwatch8463Just following the evidence, my fren.
@@nenadsrejic6216 what do you think should be done about it?
This "guy" is supposed to be a deep thinker? I highly doubt Michael's listeners have been clamoring for this interview.
The more I listen to Destiny talk about stuff the more I like him. He's not afraid of admitting to an L and is open to changing his mind presented with evidence.
there's nothing wrong with liking or just respecting a person who many make wrong judgments on just based on how he looks and his "labels".. this was a fun conversation for the fact that it wasn't echo chambered, but they still got along.. labels left at the door as it should be, imo.
my point is.. where's there an L to be had in a perfectly respectful, probing a diff mentality, conversation? it's a W, if anything, if we want to make the nation come back together again. This was a tiny pebble in helping that.
He's chill sometimes but when he sucks he sucks bad
In one day he will be shitting on Michael Malice to his fan boy base. He's a chameleon and establishment tool in his old age. See the spot he did with a college class that interviewed him like a year ago ... he touted all the mainstream outlets as good arbiters of general truth. I now watch him to get a feel for the narrative the mainstream is pushing, granted, he does have leeway on fringe issues, but he's right in line on the main narrative push. And I don't blame him, he's towing the line for his people...rich/elite
@@HaraQuinn has nothing to do with his looks and everything to do with him as a person... the only people that rival his ability to be disingenuous are his fans.
@m4anow676 "he touted all the mainstream"
He literally counters this exact point 10 mins in. You don't have to pull into a video from a year ago. You can't even watch 10 minutes before your brain gets all melty?
One of a few videos I probably won't listen to at 1.5x... :-)
55:35 malice struggling to hold back laughter 😂😂😂😂
My favorite part of the interview
He was expecting a different answer, the kind of laughter definitely changed during Ds explanation.
Being able to literally rationalize anything is a truly amazing skill. This feels like an attempt to make utilitarianism a moral philosophy. Destiny has the ultimate ability to make atrocious policies rational.
like what
It's a lack of any foundational moral compass
Utilitarianism IS a moral philosophy
Former Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is the all time master of this. Smart enough to rationalize awful decisions, read some of her dissents on common sense cases. Amazing
@@LeChairman lol, okay.
I like watching when Michael has a guest that is coherent and clear. A funny thing happens: Michael listens intently. I think with 9/10 guests Michael is dying inside at the inane stupidity coming out of their mouths.
"Facts are proxies for moral positions" is kind of a bar
And I looked at him
And my blood ran cold
And I said, "My name is Destiny, how do you do? Now you gonna die!"
Comment section is full of people that do not understand destiny in the slightest but think they have him 100% figured out lmao
ITS SO ANNOYING!
What a setup for a word salad conversation. Let’s talk in circles around each other and try our best to look smart and unique.
BINGO !
A chick with a beard? Amazing
“Survivor” is my favorite Destiny’s album.
Mine too
Why is Destiny gaslighting about Milo? I'm no fan, but his demise had nothing to do with "getting banned off campus for trying to get people harassed" (which is his biased interpretation).
That's the opposite of true - his controversy on campuses is why he became popular.
He dissapeared from the public eye was purely and solely because of his comments on older gay men in relationships with minors, of which he was a victim. Michael is right, he was Capone'd.
Comments like this is why I think Destiny is actually the "dogshit human".
Finally the crossover ive been waiting a couple years for
You mean cross-dresser?
@@TheWalterKurtz ?
same... love them both.
Would not have expected this, but this was great to watch. Both Michael and Destiny are two of my favourite people on the internet, not necessarily because of what they believe, but how they share their opinions, and engage with others. We need more humans like these two.
How can you compare the 2 of them? Destiny suffers from cognitive dissonance where Michael does not.
Preach!
Destiny curses and slings insults constantly, it’s not polite at all and doesn’t deserve respect. Malice is a gentleman.
Examples?
@@BenCumings when?
Wtf man, i came here all excited for Malice to be interviewing some hot stripper or sex worker. Talk about a let down
Destiny isn’t hot but she still has a special mind that normal people can’t make sense of
This pairing is gold.
Destiny needs to forgive her parents
Destiny ID's as a woman?
@@MeganLeibovici I'm pretty sure destiny is a girls mame
@@MeganLeiboviciNo, people just say that because his channel name is Destiny. His community jokes that he is a black woman all the time. He never plays into it, as far as I've seen.
CDC does not deserve to exist after 2020 - present.
I do agree that it seems these days we've forgotten to ask for example what if you were in their shoes or that situation or had those circumstances. I totally get that is way easier to just agree and go with the flow or group because in most cases it's safer or more fun even but what happened to taking a step back and just analysing situations from the opposite side or a number of different angles because it use to be to fun to figure things out too.. like the truth. I guess that probably just sucks the fun out of it.
What Ive always said about the recording of doing something like giving money to the homeless for clout is that, even if that person isn't really doing it or they're doing it for the wrong reason, that it could still inspire other people to do that same good thing out of their heart.
Good people are not sleeper cells waiting to be activated. If you need to see videos of goodness to behave good, you aren’t good.
The obsession with blank slate, a fundamentally incorrect position, is absurd.
@@Xplora213this comment exactly. Though inspiration might be possible? You wont make a bad person good through a video
"IF IT'S BAD, IT'S BAD. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE $HIT UP!" OMG, I say this ALL the time! I'm like, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, stop effing around with these exaggerated factoids for donations, clicks, or clout when you have ACTUAL FACTS on your side... UGH! It drives me insane! 😖
Huh?
Dude I've been dreaming of the day Michael talks to Destiny!
Michael is probably the only person that can explain anarchy to him in a way he might actually be on board with
Doubt that, but disagreement would probably be civil enough :)
as soon as i heard the "are some people better than others" question i squealed with glee.
if we can't seek truth, then there's no point to discourse... it may be more energy inefficient to seek truth, but bias is meant to be recognized and overcome.
it always irks me when people get to the point where they understand bias, then bring the fact of distorted perception up while somehow implying that they are exempt.
"We HAVE to be able to work with people with different ideas." Same guy also defending vax mandates and firing those who like to make their own health decisions.
hes anti self id
Wish you would take time to investigate things like CBDCs with the level of intelligence you bring to the table. It would be priceless
Biden, Afghanistan, Ukraine? Yeah we don't hate him at all🙄
A deal that trumped signed that biden pull through would you rather us stay in Afghanistan for ever? Maybe we'll make it a state...
There is no way anyone with any sense thinks destiny operates in good faith .. there is nothing honest about this guy
I don’t align with most of Destiny’s believes but he’s willing to have honest discussions with just about anyone. He is what’s helping us during this crazy hyper polarization.
He baby rages all the time and has never once conceded when wrong. He only pokes the right as a whole and will openly argue with every lefty but not attribute the same level of group think to them. He’s a clown.
No he's not lol. He's incredibly dishonest and manipulative.
@@timmyt1293 I haven’t seen much of his stuff, I’m just going off vibes here lol
@@timmyt1293 give an instance please
@@kdubb4953Ignore them. His openness is his defining trait, probably to a fault. Watch enough of the bits from the duller, more aimless streams and you'll see it without question. You can only arrive at "He's incredibly dishonest and manipulative" from echo chambers.
I really want to see Destiny do one of these e-celeb boxing matches.
He's a skinny, out of shape manlet, there's really no one he could fight. Maybe women, but even then, it's dicey.