Conor McGregor's co-defendant, James Lawrence, denies being a "patsy" or fall guy | Video #4
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Living the high life I'd rather be boring
Same
Och it's okay when your young.😂
Unfortunately, this would be a common enough behaviour in my experience around Dublin.
This case is more 'in the limelight' due to the person involved, drivers, hotel, etc.
And it's not just young wans, it's all ages.
Thanks Terry, once again for a very concise summation.
That’s the end of miss Hands relationship
She has previous and the doughnut she's with is still there.😂😂
If she says she wasnt with Lawrence why is she suing him ? This is before we heard his claim that they were together which she denies.
The dpp already threw out her case so that tells you all you need to know
@@toomuch9762oh didnt know that.
@@toomuch9762 No. Criminal burden of proof is much higher. Thats irrelevant given the circumstances.
@@Finderskeepers. no not really. She decided to do something of her own free will and then got a bout of guilt so made up this bs
@@Finderskeepers. From what we heard the DPP was 100% right not to bring a case.
For anyone interested in the origins of the common law, there is a great three part, three hour series on RUclips 'The Strange Case of the Law'
Another succint, objective and comprehensive video, thanks Terry!
Very good summary, I was there in court for the day and this is what happened. My own impression was that it was a winning day for McGregor. they also replayed some of the cctv which validated Mr Lawerence's evidence of how the Ms Hand was acting after the alleged crime
Was it packed
@@elizacorkery6967yes. Packed to the rafters. Overflow court not open now so it’s packed
Wake up mate.
1, Conor poses the question to gardai "how do you know she didn't have sex with someone else" An innocent party would have instantly said "hang on a minute, why am i being blamed she had sex with James too after I left" but Conor didn't say that. Only after he realised how bad she was left bruised. Then he says "James slept with her too after i left" Clear attempt to throw James under the bus
2, James is now dragged into this mess and can't say Conor is lying so he plays along and says he had sex with Nikita too. Why would he lie? Perhaps he had no choice after conor dragged him into it. I doubt he wants to make enemies with Conor let alone Conor is paying his legal fees and who knows, maybe he's paying him more. Secondly. Why is only Conors DNA found?
3, Conor refuses to answer questions because that's what innocent men do right? He also never mentions her tampon or her falling in the bath tub. It's only when he's questioned in court that he comes up with "her tampon wasn't there" "she fell in the bath"
4, Danielle states she never had sex with James. Then says she had sex with him one time. James Lawrence stated it was three times and that he used all three condoms" so if no condoms were left. How has he left no traces of DNA on Nikita?
5, Conor is lying through his teeth suggesting he books hotels around the corner from where he lives to "rest and refresh" and that there was no intent on bringing the girls back for sex. Only an idiot would buy that.
6, medical evidence proves she was badly bruised. And that there was a tampon wedged so deep inside her that a forceps was required to remove it. It just do happens that this is also where Conors Dna was found. Further medical reports show a patten of mental health deterioration since the event. Diagnosed PTSD which can only be caused by a traumatic event. And multiple reports of her being very distressed.
I don't know what court room you were in. But if you think Mcgregor is innocent or that he "won" you are very very stupid. Mcgregor is guilty as fuck and he knows it which is why he's petrified.
I also put it to you that the CCTV footage is Nikita feeling vulnerable and close to James because of what she's just told him and the context of her actions are not as they seem. Some of his claims aren't actually seen on CCTV. I suggest, he was being a shoulder for her to cry on and he didn't know what to do so he brought her back to the room to figure things out and listen to what she had to say. No sex took place. She cried and had no idea what to do. James realises he wants no part in this and leaves and suggested she do the same and they left the hotel.
Both men are lying through their teeth imo and it's very clear to see.
On a side note. There's also rumours Conor offered her one million to stay quiet in 2019? Why would a "liar" refuse that money and if the accusation is not true. Why didn't Conor sue the newspaper that published that information?
Nikkitas house was also targeted in the lead up to the case by masked men. Just a coincidence eh
Blackmailers try to get as much as they can
Rule No1
Always refuse the first offer
But if there isn't another offer here we are
She's tge guilty one
Fake story to try to fool her boyfriend
probably the best bit of explanation ive heard
I think they are all to blame, this is no way for normal people to conduct themselves, all are guilty
So many lies the guy Lawrence 'I have a girlfriend' thrown in for good measure
Agree 100%
@@elizacorkery6967imagine these people are parents?
The only thing that stops normal people acting like this is they don't have the same amount of money.
@michaeldineen2571 two hair dressers and one fella gets 50 euro off his mother?
This is a great and informative synopsis. And its impartial and honest. Statement of facts as to what happened today. Well done and thank you.
Great reportage
The boyfriend needs to be questioned. She went home to him after being on a bender sleeping with 2 guys most likely not contacting him much through that time. If anyone was going to be pissed off enough to want to hurt her…
We don't know that she had sex with 2 guys. She has no recollection of the 2nd guy
I had the same thought. And was told in a comment section "he's irrelevant" and "he's not on trial " 😅 he definitely should of been a witness at the least for her
I said the same thing, I’d be questioning the BF
So her bf raped her and put conors dna inside her. You guys are special
@blaalad889 😂😂 I think the special one here is obvious. We're talking about the bf is more likely to of gave the bruises after she got home from her 2 day bender with random blokes
Imagine Dee ,her kids and family have to listen to all of this and everyone else knowing all the dirty details about what happened, I'm sick to my stomach at the mere thoughts of it so I can only imagine how much it hurts them 😢💔
My thoughts exactly 💯
@@gracerussell2043 I’m embarrassed for her.
@@kerryconstantine-bg9rf Dee Devlin is the patsy here his behaviour with women and generally has embarrassed her for years yet she is photographed behind him massaging his shoulders.
She's well aware and puts up with it because of the money, she has no self respect.
@@Keeter101 Do you know her personally?
I think the tampon was after she got home. She was in a hotel for 2 days and never thought to change it? and there's been no mention of any tampons being found in the hotel used or unused. Seems strange
She couldn't take the tampon out on her own - the doctor had to use forceps to get it out. Having a tampon stuck inside you is OK for about 8 hours but after that it starts to get increasingly dangerous, with possibility of toxic shock sydrome. Hence, once this ordeal was over and she was with her Mam, she went and got it removed at hospital when she also had the sexual assault exam. The doctor who removed it also thought he saw a laceration inside her vagina, but couldn't be sure because the vaginal wall also had menstrual blood on it.
@polly6336 yeah I get all that. Doesn't prove the tampon was there when she was with the lads though
@@polly6336 how can anyone be sure it was there before or while with the men?
Good point
@@GG-bw4io you think she already had the tampon stuck inside her? That someone else pushed it inside her with their willy or fingers (tampons don't travel that far up on their own, and the string used to pull them out doesn't disappear on it's own).
No. McGregor tried to imply that on the stand and he had to back down under cross. The only sexual *'partners' were McGregor and possibly Lawrence, if one believes Lawrence (I don't, for several reasons).
*Not that it's a partnership when there isn't consent, as Ms Hand alleges.
Something doesnt add up. If she didnt want to have sex why didnt she scream or get up and walk out. If there was two other people in the other room surely if she was unhappy and let out a scream it would cause attention to the room she and mcgregor were in. I think she consented to the sex and panicked when she sobered up had to face up to her boyfriend. If mcgregor had a knife and she felt he was going to kill her i surely doubt shed stay quiet and not try scream for her life. I dont see how if she was getting raped she wouldnt try draw attention to what was happening.
People forget how close mcgregor is to the cartel
No woman I know would have sex while leaving a tampon in which had to be surgically removed
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Every person acts differently when violence occurs. She was in a relationship, maybe she was in panic mode.
@johngardiner2279 yes. I agree and was just thinking this.Look at the misery of all of this.
3.44 and here’s the key ‘what would she tell her boyfriend’
I thought that too, and how did the BF respond
That’s so gross, his poor wife and children.
She's not his wife.
What about Nikita’s husband and children u hypocrite
@@CC-nj8zw both
Frame game not ruining these lads lives , justice
They may have an open relationship or maybe not. Either way it's awful for her.
Thanks Terry. I noticed quite a few inconsistencies. I also noticed that McGregor says he did *not* wear a condom with Ms Hand. This is important when it comes to the issue of consent. I think it's highly unlikely she consented to anything. I don't find Lawrence a reliable witness, and it doesn't match what Danielle's said. What a mess. Interesting suggestion from Ms Hand's counsel that booking hotel suites for hook ups is McGregor's MO.
Your an idiot
What does wearing a condom or not have to do with consent?
@@thomasd2796 because we, and the jury, have to decide if it's likely that Ms Hand consented to intercourse at all, let alone unprotected intercoure. I don't think she did, as I already wrote. I think, on balance of probability, that he did what he wanted to do without a care for what she wanted or didn't want.
I'm also fairly sure - though I need to double check this - that his oriniginal story was that condoms were used throughout. That's highly unlikely since the ejaculate was recovered from the top of her vagina, where the tampon was. That doesn't happen if a bloke's wearing a condom (unless it breaks).
I suspect he's changed his story as evidence has come to light during the trial, which would make him inconsistent in his story (therefore possibly untruthful).
Not a drop of DNA from Lawrence was found on or in Ms Hand, which is either because there was an insufficient amount of semen/ pre-cum or because he simply didn't have s^x with her at all.
@@polly6336Great points 👍
Not only he was not wearing a condom but SHE was wearing a tampon while she was having sex as she was on her period. No woman EVER does that, it's incredibly painful (unless of course you are forced).
Its so clear that JL was the fall guy. His DNA was not found on the swabs
Great minds think alike
@@elizacorkery6967 🙌
Was wearing a condom as said in evidence.
He’s on C payroll
He used condoms
Thanks for the informed update, Terry.
This might be a civil case where the balance of probability will/should determine the outcome but I think that it is beyond reasonable doubt that neither side will emerge from this case smelling of roses.
I hope also that there isn't a tabloid newspaper waiting in the shadows to buy the story from the claimant.
Yes, it is pretty grim and sordid.
They are all hedonistic and foolish people. All 4 of them. It’s interesting that her motivation before and after the event is not spoken about, but I suppose that is like that for some sort of technical legal reason. It’s really the only thing that I would be interested in. It might explain why this court case happened.
I think that was done away with because they used to say a woman was asking for it if she had a.skirt too short or sexy underware
Thank you for another interesting and informative video. If Miss Hand loses the case who will pay for all this.
Im guessing she pays.
This case is beyond grubby. This is the people do?? All 4 are disgusting
they are low end people all.
thats exactly what he is and he'll get a half a million in hush hush account to take the fall. It happens the whole time
I think her boyfriend caused those bruises. Mr McGregor’s lawyers should have investigated if she had suffered any domestic violence from her boyfriend in the past. She is definitely looking for a pay check. How can you not remember most of the night but you can gather time to text your boyfriend when she was in the car park with JL.
I think the reliability of Nikitas evidence isn’t holding up since she has lied and conveniently not remember important points of the events that happened. Also willingly going out partying with two other guys when she has a partner and kids at home? Shows bad character and CCTV showing her being affectionate after the alleged rape doesn’t look good for her either… hard to believe someone would act in that way after a violent sexual assault. Danielle also saying she appeared fine and no bruising after the alleged rape. She obviously got the bruises from somewhere but I don’t think it was from a violent attack from McGregor or JL.
Spot on
How do you know? You believe McGregor. Why? He's a thug.
Tes I agree when I'm drunk I get bruises but can never remember where I got them..I think there all lying to a degree...but yes it's not looking good for nikita, she cannot seem to remember anything
If KH was drunk and drugged she was in no fit state to give consent
It's vile everyone is guilty disgusting
Connor needs to learn that no is no and respect his marriage vows
Conor is not even married please think before ya speak
His partner Dee just had their 4th child last year.
@@kerryconstantine-bg9rf Nikita hand was engaged and had a child why is everyone ignoring that 😅
@@CC-nj8zw I wasn’t ignoring Nikita has a child and had a boyfriend at the time of the incident.
I was replying to the Authors Comment,
which was about Connor,
not Nikita.
@@johntobin3673common law marriage
Terry I do you think the jury will twig the truth of what actually happened? It was interesting strategy of plaintiff's team to add the second claim even though they believe it will fall for not obvious reasons. Are we both aligned here?
Can’t a tampon left in too long cause Streptococcal (toxic shock syndrome), one of the symptoms of TSS is bruising in unrelated areas of the body?.. Either way no one here has covered themselves in glory.. I feel most sorry for Conor’s children because this is on public record forever, hardly something to be proud of in your father
Good summary Terry the lawyers will get the price of a house
Only if one side wins. If the other side wins, there’ll be no money.
@@terrygorrywhy will there be no money if one side doesn't win?? Surely the lower has to pay all costs??
Imagine two men in their thirties doing drugs and booze and taking turns having sex with a woman so drunk she doesn't remember most of what happened. It's beyond sickening.
Happens every weekend but the women wakes up has a cup of tea and goes home, thank god we have no money we would be in court every week, women has a child was out taken cock and cock while her boyfriend was at home, she is a teamo looking for money, look at the evidance and stop being an emotional little cuck
Drunk she contacted him pestering him all night to party with him
@@lukepatterson5367you do know he went to court and she lost 🤣🤣🤣and it was 6 years ago
Based on the transcripts she's the instigator if you read them through. As mentioned she'd been hounding conor for a hookup. She seemed to have no issue lying to her boyfriend all night, but when the drink started wearing off and it was nearly home time, well, a major panic attack set in and seems she felt took advantage of. I think they were all smashed on drink and drugs, more so than their saying. McGregor has a partner and kids at home, yet says he'd have a hotel room booked often, just in case he's out and brings people back. And in his words gets sex "only if he's lucky". I guess that's what some celebrities do??!!
She didint go up to the Room to watch Eastenders ya Moron.
Why settle for frying steak when you have fillet steak at home.
Stupid.
So Tomy Robinson goes to prison after talking about people who are convicted criminals....and you can talk all about this during this case ....civil or criminal this is hypocrisy
Who is Tony Robinson please?
Love the tie 😃
So mr Laurence story is a bit wild .. he obviously isn’t good at maths . He sends the diver off to buy condoms a pack of 3 .. he says he had a with Danielle 3 times .. she says it was once ! If 3 0 condoms were left yet he says he used the remaining 2 with Nikita but she can’t remember having s with him at all …. I actually don’t believe he actually had s with Nikita at all and it was added into the story to paint a certain image of her. I also think if your being accused of r Conor would have kept or being advised by his solicitor to keep the messages Nikita sent him where he says she was coming on to him and contacted him first . I think it was a massive slip up on behalf of the Gards not to have taken his phone to search it. I think the 2 lads have a made up version of events. Danielle also doesn’t remember elements of the activity of Nikita come in and out of room saying things.
James saying he had s with Danielle 3 times in one hour and got dressed back into their clothes after each time .. I don’t get that either makes 0 sense.
probably the reasons your versions do not make sense is because its not exactly what has been claimed
@@johnnolan6777 What the above post says is indeed what has been printed from the court case
Living the high life I'd rather be boring
It is possibke to retrieve deleted texts if they wanted to
He is a paid actor in this the girl Danialle also in my opinion....McGregor is scum
Can't wait for the movie
McGregor is vile.
They're all vile
James Lawrence is a good lad
@kid--presentable at minimum cheated on his girlfriend in this scenario... Potentially a lot worse
@@kookvision9295 I know him all my life, he made a mistake but didn't do what is being allegeded
By that conclusion, you should hold them all to the same standard.
I have followed everyday of the trial up to the last witnesses today. Based on the reporting of all this (I haven't been in the courtroom) but there is too much reasonable doubt for me to believe Miss Hand.
Balance of proof is on balance of probabilities not beyond reasonable doubt
If the jury decide that, based on the evidence, that its beyond reasonable doubt that miss hand sustained her injuries from a violent rape and not from swan diving into a bath i.e mcgregor has lied because he knows where the injuries came from. Then, I think, on the balance of probabilities, they can return a guilty verdict.
To look at the behaviour on every level is appalling, he with a partner and children,she with same, cocaine, excessive drink, up all night, cruisung around with a driver, bodyguard, that behaviour smacks of the lowest of the lowest.!!
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My God these two people are disgusting all their dirty laundry been broadcast in public and both their families have to listen to all the sordid details.
In my situation would with shame.
Regarding the young lady .
Amber H comes to mind.
Poor Dee
What I can’t understand is why is she just looking for money why doesn’t she want him locked up for it.
Didn't she take a criminal case first but that failed?
@@bluskyes524 The dpp said without more evidence it would be more harmful than good to the alledged victim to take it to the high courts.
The DPP did not proceed with the case
I dont think r@pe i think everyone on too much drugs drink and too much s%x .she didnt say no she wanted to be with him .not to say he wasnt rough but even her friend said no distress on the night .if i was r#ped i would want man behind bars i wouldnt be thinking of money..but she is (feel sorry for their partners)
It's only a civil case because the guards and DPP didn't think they'd get a conviction and I can see why.
Houses are expensive...it's called Gold digging. My verdict would be NOT GUILTY.
@@aidandalton7404 she was already offered money but refused because she wanted to go down the legal route to get justice
@welshgirl6934 nah, he would've been charged with rape by the Gardai if the evidence was there. She's been watching American cases were civil lawsuits pay out millions of dollars. If he wasn't who he was do you think she would have taken a civil lawsuit? She knew he had money 💰. Wants more than he offered obviously. The hush money wasn't enough. She knew exactly what she was doing putting herself in the situation. He's not Hannibal Lector.
@@welshgirl6934According to finance team they calculated her loss of wages if she stayed the course of her career, it amounted to under €1M which I assumed this is what she wants. It seems like what she was offered was not enough as she is dealing with a very rich person. If she had enough evidence to proof that something did happen she would have won this case. However her evidence is insufficient and the CCTV footage including the statement from her friend that stated there was no bruising is enough to seal this case closed. If I was Mr McGregor I would be suing for defamation.
100% not guilty,they fact other girl not backing her story, says it all. She said they hand one was grand when she came out room with Mcgregor.
@@davidegan7888 She was paid off too, the same as lots of others
She is not credible
What a high court shit show.
Pass the cocaine test by taking lempsip.
Is this real they take lemsip to pass urines
@catherineclusker7441 seemingly so.
Pointless summary
Give us your legal take on the proceedings
Where do you see problems arising?
Whose side is more plausible to the Jury etc
holy shit. so mc Gregor has basically admitted he has cheated? crazy
who is paying Mrs hands expenses ? .this a no brainer .she can't prove it at all . I speculate this is to tar Mr. McGregor for future ideations in politics .
Lawerence and ms keeley paid off
How come it was just a civil case? May-so-nic bs if you ask me…
The DPP did not proceed with the case