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Forget the Septic System and water service and go for a composting toilet. It's clean, more sanitary, and you can reuse the waste! Plus having a composting system instead of a septic or sewer based system means you can build your homestead anywhere rather than by a roadside for water line access. Even a septic system needs water to flush the toilet.
Over all, a composting system like this will save you BIG MONEY! All you need is a bucket.
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We've been using peat moss for nearly two years, works great, easy to source, doesn't smell decomposes well in the compost pile
I think peat moss is outlawed in some areas.
Bay hay and feed:
"Areas in Ireland have already banned the harvesting of peat moss altogether. Producers in both Canada and the United States maintain that they never cut sphagnum faster than it grows, and leave behind enough peat to ensure regeneration."
@@dandavatsdasa8345 that's surprising. It's a staple of most media mixes and is available at every nursery I've ever been too
Sadly, some states don't allow composting toilets as a stand alone waste system. It's rediculous. But check out the regulations to avoid any problems or fines.
If you are away from the city and burbs who would even know unless you told them. Love to see them go through the effort of finding out what kind of composting you are doing 😂 don’t afraid to be outlaws if you are smart about it
What the Nosy Nancies in Government dinae know won't hurt them.
@@TheMoonbay21while you have a very solid point… the amount of tracking and information the government has in us is crazy and only getting worse every year. They orobabaly have a computer program that goes through alll the houses in the state and determines what each residence had done for sewage disposal and then they say “hmmm people live here and it doesn’t show any permits or signs that sewage was done here” then they send someone to see how you dispose of wate and BAM caught. Technology has made the modern world a nightmare and it’s getting worse. Gotta go up to the attic circle to be left alone ahahahah
In my town all I need is an approved grey water design and I can install it myself. Compost potty is THE way to go. I've been using pine shaving in the camper potty and all I smell is pine.
Hayseed Homestead what state??
dgmickley yeah, what state allows this?? We have to keep ours secret.
Humanure is not grey water it is black water fyi. Grey water is like shower and sink water.
@@andrewmaurizzi7468 Yeah thanks. I was talking about composting toilets tho, not black water systems. Humanure is compost material and doesn't go into any septic system, it goes on the compost heap. If we had a flush toilet it would be different, but we ONLY have sinks and showers going out.
If you live in the city you should built one even if you don't plan to use, in case of a big emergency where you may be without water for long terms. No water no flushing toilet, huge stench. A humanure toilet and maybe a large bag of peat moss to cover the feces and no problem.
As far as I am concerned it is less about saving money than saving water and energy which= 0 waste!!..good for environment and the world.....Composting IS the future
I know.
Its an old vid. Still.
I remember a documentary done by the BBC. It looked at enzymes that live on in dead wood.
To show this, a dead chicken was left for one hour on both a wood and plastic chopping board.
Both chopping boards were left overnight and the level of bacteria was mesaured.
As you would expect, the bacteria on the plastic board had a violent population explosion. The bacteria on the wood board however had not grown as enzymes in the wood were preventing their growth.
This is why you get no smell with a composting loo.
"The bacteria on the wood board however had not grown..." // That is counterintuitive!
@@alextrezvy6889 I think it is the result of the wood absorbing the nutrients of the bacteria. Plants have an amazing ability to survive dry environments. So what he was indicating was that the wood chips were absorbing the nutrients the smelly bacteria need to survive. In my opinion of course.
And i have always avoided wooden chopping boards bcz i thunk they were UNsanitary!!! Oh ho ho. I've always used plastic ones. Imagine that.
Theres a LOT of continuous work involved though, so there has to be an able bodied person in the house. Oh, my back hurts... lol.
In my county, they don't care if you use a composting toilet, but they get you on the kitchen sink water, as they call it blackwater, so no matter what, you need a septic of some kind, regular or alternative, and the alternative is sometimes more cost. The ass hole system make you pay no matter what.
The local Goodwill had a medical potty seat. It would be the perfect size for a 5 gallon bucket to sit underneath.
I love my composting toilet, we shoulnt be shitting and pissing in our most precious natural resource water! Im taking the black tanks outta my Airstream, composting is the way to go :) Humanure!
I am trying to prepare for not having the luxuries we have now when crap hits and we dont have the power grid or sanitation or water etc. So this helps alot since we wont care what the government says because they themselves will be in their secret bunkers.
Just short of doing the full humanure set up, (so, yes...a bit less ecological), I have a wonderful bucket system in my semi off grid situation in rural NS. I have a bucket with plastic bag inside with cedar mulch as cover material. (This only needs getting rid of once a week or 2 weeks) I have a urine diverter with vinegar bottles that I empty in the lush foliage around the property. (I have learned from others that a little vinegar left in the bottles is 'key' to keeping urine odors at bay.) I absolutely love the simplicity of this way of 'toileting' and it does NOT smell. (I do keep deodorizers nearby to ensure just in case though)... I'm soon going to purchase a ceramic diverter that is hand painted which should really make the whole bathroom experience such a pleasure! haha. Thank you for the great information in this video!
you can also use worms to turn the compost into worm castings which can even be used on your garden
Using worms do not raise the temps high enough (tho it doesn’t require all that high if kept there for long enough) to destroy any potentially dangerous pathogens. Composting it is best! Safer and gives just as good if not better results than using worms. Using worms for kitchen scraps and such is a good system. But don’t expect acceptable results using them with humanure. Humanure if composed right is safe in your garden. Vermiculture is not safe to use on humanure for the garden.
Not everybody wants to be off the grid, so the government want us to be dependent on the government, that's why they can't leave the independent people alone!☺say something positive. Love people that are living off the grid!
Greg Lewis being independent is at the top of the list for Terrorists in the USA 🇺🇸 above that of radical Islamic Extremists.
Stealth Urban Off Grid.... is a thing my friend ;-)
greg, there are places like mine that they can care less where you poop as long as you pay your property tax of 15 dollars a year.
@@svetlanikolova7673 where do you live that property tax is 15 dollars a year? I may have to move
@Southeast Missouri Paranormal& Unexlained Mcfarlin Most likely Bulgaria as Svetla Nikolova is a bulgarian name. We filled that country with shit, not only ours. Selled our asses off...
Indiana new septic system here runs around 12k-20k for the install and must be what's supposedly called a new and improved mound system. It's damn highway robbery.
We we're just forced from our typical septic which was $0.00 a month, to a grinder type of pump system. Cost me 6,000 and now I pay $124.00 a month to flush my toilet. And the local sewer department forced all 20 neighbors on my road to this system. I hate it and will soon be moving because of the cost. Hate it
I don't blame you!
This is where you organize with your neighbors and petition your local councils to not force such unnecessary changes and expenses on you. Local Governments are supposed to work for the communities they represent, not the other way around. I think it's high time people remind them of that fact.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon well that was already performed by the residents of this area. The health dept lies and said that our sewage is polluting the creeks. You will never win against government agencies even at the local level
@@Beuwen_The_Dragoncould take years to even get it to be looked at as an option. Sucks
I use the pine pellets from TSC by weting them and rubbing b/t my hands w creats saw dust then i let that dry in the sun and mix with wood ash and a little bio char ....works great then I do just like you around trees and shrubs
Hi, great video!
We use exactly the same system with the bucket. I have added a duct to the outside and a computer fan and this makes sure that there isnt any odor at all.
Septic systems cost in Northeast around $20,000 due to the amount of permits necessary from the municipality. So labor and materials supply cost plus PERMITS raise costs considerably.
A better way to do your humanor pile, make your boxes large enough for your tractor shovel to fit.
Also make the sides with chicken wires and spaced sides so the sides get air. Better composting
Awesome video! Very informing.
Very simple and explained in a down to earth, honest manner. Thanks!
It's a human litter box!
I kept waiting and waiting to see how you built your whole system from the toilet to the composting bin or bins, and how you store saw dust, hay and also how long the material stays in the toilet bucket before going outside. Didn’t get much helpful info from this video. Do you have a video that explains your whole system in detail ?
humanurehandbook.com/contents.html has detailed instructions. Link for each chapter. P162 detail plans.
I have a homestead as well and I produce a product which makes me roughly $3,000 a week my septic tank and install was 3500 so to me that installation wasn't very costly as far as water usage I collect my Rainwater which is free I have a great pump man he comes out to my property with a 4 x 4 unit no problem my yearly pumping bill is $ 500. I think the humanure idea is great 4 people on a super tight budget. my chickens make all the poop I need for fertilizer hey if you want free hot water stick a hot water heater liner in the middle of a composting pile and it should get to 180 degrees Fahrenheit for as long as the pile remains hot great way for free hot water on a homestead
Sounds like your growing cannabis 😂
A lot of places have that electricity/septic rule now. Not only that, composting toilets are not legal in a lot of parts of the country. I've been looking at a lot of dry toilet options because conventional toilets waste so much water. Right now 30% of the country are experiencing drought and 51% are experiencing unusually dry conditions. I'm looking for land to build a homestead but I'd like to do it in a way that's conscious of resources. Anyway, this is great. Thanks for posting.
@Lynn Roberts Are you kidding? Where I live, we supply much of the water that runs down the Mississippi. Our water is relatively clean, by the time it reaches the Golf of Mexico, what they have is a DEAD ZONE (look it up) caused by a toxic liquid. So unless you have purifier, what come out of you kitchen sink is liquid with chemicals added to not kill you right away. So it's not the liquid that is scarce, it the liquid you can actually consume. We have huge oceans, try drinking the water to see what happens.
I read somewhere that you can use the humanure on your veg garden too provided you monitor and control the temperate in your humanure compost heap to kill whatever dangerous microbes there are.
Heat and time. You wait long enough, few years, and it should be fine. Everything breaks down eventually.
Thanks for sharing. What do you do with your grey water? Presumably you use soaps and other household cleaners like an on-grid household would so how do you dispose of that? Does it go back into your garden and crops too or is it harmful to plants? Interesting to see your solutions for the conveniences we take for granted in modern society.
If you use non chemical soaps and such, it is perfectly fine to reuse your grey water in planting gardens.
Great video! This is so simple. Not to mention the foolish waste of potable clean water to wash waste away!
We used human manure to fertilizer fields for livestock.we had a company that brought it out already cooked down and sanitized and they spread it in the fields before we tilled it in and seeded the areas.
read 400 centuries of farming....excellent source of topic information if you are in doubt
I've been reading about a North Korean defector LOADED with all sorts of parasites, some 10" long due to humanure.
Going off grid soon thanks for the help
Septic system in Ottawa, Ontario Canada is $25,000.00 and up!!!
Plus the government only allows us to use a humanure system if we are covering each bucket dump with 2" of earth. Too much red tape up here.
That open bin is completely illegal in my state. Reason, the effluent can get into ground water. It's an environmental release. Research barrel based systems. There's lots of off grid homes here. This is the method you'll get fined for.
Enclosed composting systems are ignored. Even composting in IBC "cage tanks". Use peat moss, not wood chips. That breaks down better. Any raw wood products stubbornly refuse to break down.
High desert off grid, 21 years. Good luck on your adventures.
Did have a problem with maggots on the turd bucket. Figured to woop that with cayenne pepper. It worked.
@marie that DAY HAS COME!!
I want to design a surface Septic tank. Top allows sunlight to evaporate the water, it is collected through condensers and processed for reuse. The grease would be included in the solids for worm beds.
I would be willing to bet that if you looked into it having human waste stored the way you do is illegal alomst everywhere. None one the things you are using are designed for the use you are using it for. when it rains the humanure stack drains into the soil etc. does it work? yes, is it safe, yes, does the municipalities do basically the same YES, is most of the fertilizer in the big box stores a result of human waste YES YES YES, but most people dont know that.
I love it, the network of government intrusion , no electricity without septic, so what is the hurdle to septic (other than cost), an inspected registered well?, and what is that connected to.
They take all of these things and linki them so that if you dip a toe in, you have to jump all the way in.
Just remember, YOUR FREE.
Wood ash works if you cant find sawdust, charcoal being a natural filter media. But it is an acid, so you have to mind what plants you put it near.
Of course, I am living where it cost SIGNIFICANTLY less to build / install a septic system. But, I would much rather install a septic system than to have to deal with composting every day / week / month / year.
Thumbs up guys behind it all it works .
6:35 Ahahaha! When he said "do do" I immediately said _"He said doo doo"_ then That same thing popped up on the screen as I finished say it. That was good! Thanks for the humour! I always notice when someone says "do" twice and I say that when it happens. Yeah, it's an _old_ joke, but I never got tired of it.
In my county you may NOT, #1. Live off grid, #2. You may NOT use a compost toilet, #3. You may NOT have , build, or use a new outhouse. If there is an old one on your property you may NOT use it.
You may catch rainwater for use for livestock & gardens. BUT you may NOT use it as potable drinking, cooking or washing water.
Viva la revolution is all I'll say to that
How do you store all that sawdust? What would you do if during SHTF if you couldn’t get any?
13,000 and up here in NJ.. 5 yrs ago - i am sure much higher to start now.
You may be able to get a load of wood chips from a tree service for nothing or next to nothing.
Just find jou.
Living tiny in Holland.
Have a compost toilet but not in use yet.
Sort of unknown....
But it will come...
Grtz from Holland...jane
Yup. Been goin in a bucket for 2 yrs now. I was worried n.y cabin would stink.. nope. Saw dust works like a charm. Composting it.. works like a charm.
I do have a toilet flange buried under the hardwood floor now and about 30 ft of pipe buried out back that i started before the bucket system. And so it
doesnt go to wasted money i think im going to put in a urinal and barrel homemade tank and use what i had installed earlier.
Sorry ladies..... youre stuck with the bucket. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍🏻🇺🇸
Great build, but may I suggest that you build a funnel into your toilet to separate it out. A funnel with a hose or PVC pipe to a gallon jug, will eliminate any odors you may getting from the urine. It's the urine which is the cause of odor.
Urine does not create any odor when absorbed into sawdust. Dry sawdust will allow scent to escape. If air can flow, smell can flow. Dampened sawdust acts like a sponge, keeping air and moisture trapped. Urine helps keep the system odor-free.
If you're eating healthy (drinking healthy) the way you ought to, Udine shouldn't have all that much smell anyways. If you're taking in a gallon of water every day and cut soda and coffee (and McDonald's) out of your diet, your offal isn't as "polluted" (stinky). Same with your sweat.
Any brown forest floor matter will work great and it composts a lot quicker!!!
Your Thomas Craper is the shit.
That's why I put the toilet seat down before I flush and my tooth brush is in the drawer. Still gross but not as........ Janice
Saving 1.5 - 2 gallons water per flush. Plus the manure is free, I do not like paying for poop.
Thank you we are looking to living off grid God willing.
GREAT HELP THANKYOU sooo MUCH
in some states like texas you would have to do your compost of human waste on a non permable surface cement slab or asphalt pad
8:08 Actually I don't have anything of mine in the loo (bathroom). So those germs don't get on my toothbrush. My toothbrush is in a type of toothbrush container, in a different location.
Good advice, THANKS.
Weird you would need septic for that.... thanks for the idea, I don't think I'd do that at my house because it's be the one doing it but maybe one day
This is wonderful! I think I would add a bidet to wash myself after my toilet business because I don't like using toilet paper. A bidet is commonly found in bathrooms in Italy since the time people had no running water in the house. So you keep your compost toilet on one side but have a washing container - even a bucket - but it's easier if you can sit down. I forgot, also as I vegan I think my manure is exceptional for the environment!
Miracles Happen I knew you were a vegan as soon as you said I use a beday because I don't like to wipe
I built a 3 bedroom 2 full bathroom all cement house with an underground cement Septic tank for $70k in PR 14 yrs ago!
$70,000 for septic tank only? Are you serious? and 14 yrs ago? wow... is that made of gold?
Bal Loney the whole house
okay, I'm a non-reader, you know?
Cedar is lovely too!
love all the info !!! thanks for all your help ,keep up the good work .
I am planning on making several composting privys for a few dwellings I have possession of but I am about to set up my bug out and yep....this is the way I plan on going. Watching about every video available. I need to order several urine diverters, unless I can create something that does the same thing.
Thank I just purchased some land the contractor swore he could put in septic 5k electric 5k well 5k now he 4ants 40k
OK. But where do you drain your sinks, showers and other waste water?
Shower water has to go to septic, at least in missouri.
Don't forget,if you don't have a septic system or electricity, you likely won't have piped water either; you have to carry in all your water...at least try to put in a well; water is everything!
They are pooping in the streets of San Fransicko today! They NEED Humanure toilets!
I’ve lived with this system before in Africa where we didn’t have an option and yes it does work very well but in my opinion it’s absolutely NOT worth it. The upfront cost of your septic tank over the life of the system is something like 30 cents a day. Getting it pumped every 5 or 10 years ads another 5 or 10 cents per day and the water you use, especially if you are on a well is way cheaper than hay and wood chips. And that’s not even getting into the resale value of your house or the psychological damage to your kids when their friends come over and ask to use the bathroom. It may only take you 5 minutes a day but even if you are on minimum wages you would be better off just staying at work 5 minutes longer. If you are worried about loosing the benefits of the compost just graze livestock over the drain field or grow shallow root crops. Everything grows better over a leach field.
psychological damage? Puh Leeze! You're kids must be fragile. And what happens when your tank can't be serviced anymore? If it gets filled and nobody comes out to empty it, your toilets are finished. People have forgotten the meaning of the words "self reliance".
Sorry you were offended that I didn’t agree with you completely. Remember I’ve lived with this system and I did agree that it does work. My family and I would use this system if there was no alternative. I would also consider it for a camper or weekend cabin but if you really do the math and consider the value of your time it’s hard to make it make any economical sense. If you want to do it as a hobby or to save the planet that’s fine but don’t fool yourself that you are saving any money. The only argument you made agains my statement other than to insult my kids, (the three oldest of which are currently serving in the US military and are quite confident and well adjusted despite growing up with indoor plumbing). Was your statement that I wouldn’t be able to get my system pumped after a grid down scenario. I’ve thought about that. My system gets pumped every 10 years but has never needed pumping, it was still working fine but was pumped as preventative maintenance. In a grid down scenario I could baby the system, stop flushing paper and reduce soap and grease getting to the tank. Doing so I could probably make the system last longer than me. If it did go bad my first option would be to empty the tank out with a bucket and rope. Not a pleasant prospect but not impossible. I’ve done it before. If that fails I could at that time set up composting toilet or come up with some similar option. I have plenty of buckets lying around. I applaud you sharing this information and knowing how to set this up could be very important to a lot of people in a long term shtf scenario but for me, right now I’m going to stick with my flushing toilet.
I will suggest again your growing worms. You can go big or have a small set up of 10,000 worms. They eat almost everything, are self replacing and they leave castings behind that have several supercharging effects on any plant you wish to use on. My tomatoes have never been bigger and tastier and making worm casting tea can even be used indoors where half of my plants are.
Love this channel. Just found it.
what state are you guys in?
Yes I agree, that humanure is WAY more sanitary. I can't wait to have this type of waste disposal when I start my homestead.
$10k for a septic system is worth it. I don't want to shit in a bucket and store shit in compost bins.
Try 12 to 35,000 for Minnesota
Did he say if you need electric installation you should have a septic tank installed first? In that case, if you don't need electricity installed (but using a solar system of electricity or without) then you are allowed to live there with no septic at all, but make compost from your popoo?
yes...
I gathered that you can do without the septic system in very rural areas. Doesn’t the county or the local code make you have a septic? I can remember there was one lady in Florida who had composting toilet operation in her home and the local government forced her to change. Gone even to taken possession of her home for violating the code.
Ya but a lot of States and Towns today don't matter if u live way out and about that's not allowed.. it's illegal in middle TN to even live off grid. So must be nice where ever u live to do that...
Great advice.
Hey maybe you need to look in to geogas /ecogas sistem . Methane gas for cooking created with human/cow manure.
Very informative ! You guys REALLY know your....uh...
Stuff !
Just one question. What does the toilet look like ? Is it like a built in cabinet with bucket under it - or a manufactured high dollar compost toilet?
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Wulfy
Why can't this be used for a veggie garden after a whole year? Especially if you bury it deep in the ground (12 inches) 2 to 3 months before planting?
Northern Minnesota septic system cost $15000. !!!!!!!!! ☹️
20-30k here in canada for a septic
Septics around here are 20k minimum.
great info thanks for sharing.
Got to be a better way.
If after 2 years it is dirt and nothing else... why do you not use it in your garden?
Awsome. I have used a sawdust lavi and have wanted one since. Humans are so wasteful. 🏴🙏
I'm trying to set this up for emergency since we live in town and it takes to much water to flush when you have to conserve water. Why do you use this humanure for fruit trees and vines but not the garden?
My city says shower water must go in septic. Where does your soapy water go?
Why don't you use it in your vegitable garden?
And is it one year from the last added bucket to the pule?
Have u heard of anyone using juniper saw dust/chips?
I need something because our septic system doesn't work n would cost so much to clean n fix.
Just one question i have access to lots of spoiled hay...Buy that i mean it is molding and really dusty so farms don't want to use it for animals and really didn't want it for bedding either because they could still eat it...Would that be a problem in composing as it is moldy ?? thanks LOVE your RUclips channel and thank you for all the information
What does a septic system have to do with putting in electric????
I compost my doodads. The flies eat the turds in a day. There is no smell at all.
Can you do a video about how you get flowing water for a shower?
Our tub water doesn't drain nor our septic. I need something to replace the tub too without paying tons of money to someone, that we can do ourselves. Maybe an outdoor shower most of the year but I love detox baths. Any suggestions?
Is there a specific reason for using hay instead of straw?
The bathroom at my parents (where I rent a space, but have to share bathroom) is filthy because that's how the family is (except me). I can't stand it. I have to clean the toilet seat every time I use it. They really are filthy people. The house doesn't get cleaned. They leave dirty dishes in sink and on counter, in there rooms for too long before they go in dish washer. I have one of each items (plate, bowl, big spoon, small spoon. OK, more than one mug for different drinks I have going at same time, like coffee and water). I wash my dishes/utensils when I'm done eating, unlike the family (parents, nephew, nieces). Big house, multiple rooms, so of course multiple family member in same house. Even my sister and her husband also rent half of basement as apartment and as filthy as the others. I swear I'm not really related (switched at birth). I'm the only one clean and neat. This house is full of junk everywhere, except my room (the smallest room and hottest in Summer). If I could move to a place of my own, I would. But health issues and on welfare where I'm at and cost for rent or buying home/land makes that a problem for me. So I'm stuck here unless I just grab what I can carry, head deep into the woods and attempt to live out there. Wouldn't last long with my health problem. But hey, at least I'd die in a better place than this horrible house with people who are filthy, fill the place with junk and don't have much respect.
What if you have them pull electric to a "shop building" or a "barn" and then do what you want?
ninja5672 my local power company WONT. Unless its residential. I want power to my horse barn. 3k-5k a pole, I need two. No thanks. I will run it from the main.
Really? Five grand over 30 years so I don't have to empty a bucket of sh!t every day........septic system is a very good deal.
Some people like to do nasty jobs for a hobby.