Another early vs late feature is the bolt sleeve is Flanged in later rifles to improve gas shielding in the event of a failed cartridge, another feature in early rifles is that the extractor is 90 degrees to the bolt lugs and at an angle in later bolts, Mauser additionally sent replacement bolts for early rifles to prevent extractor breakage, it is unusual to find an early unupdated bolt
Roy.....When I took my 1891 to the range, I could only fire it as a single shot because the fixed magazine lips were so tight that the cartridges would not chamber when the bolt was pushed forward. I tried to remove the magazine, but the various screws were frozen. I was finally able to remove the entire magazine assembly from the the rifle which took hours. It is so precision fit to the wood stock removing it and replacing it were terribly difficult. I could not remove the threaded screws with Kroil and heat over a period of days. I finally gave up and put it back together in the wood stock. Everything else about the rifle was excellent. I wish I could fix the magazine loading problem, but am at a loss on how to do it. ***** I just received new 7.65 Argentine and .303 British PPU ammo from GRAFS & SONS, an online company that sells ammo, and reloading supplies. I hope you get this message so you can get some ammo to shoot in your beautiful rifle. It should be a tack driver.
What really blew me away about these argentine rifles is the history of Argentina itself, I didn't know much about it. Argentina back during this time was one of the wealthiest and best off countries on earth. The Average income for citizens was in the top 5 of all nations, surpassing many other European nations like Denmark and Sweden. Argentina has a extremely interesting history, and back then with how amazing the economy was Argentina wanted a modern military to match that international prestige. So it makes sense that they wanted the best at the time and spared no expense with top of the line German produced Mausers. In this way Belgium and Argentina for a time had nicer more modern rifles than most other nations on earth.
Very nice. I would recommend you slug the bore. Mine is .314”. I found some out of print Sierras in that diameter and they work fine. It “patterns” with .312”s. Good luck!
El 7,65 x 54 mm un cartucho muy avanzado para la epoca. En las recargas con polvoras modernas se logran prestaciones superiores al 7,62 x 51mm (.308) y muy similares al 30.06. El tipo de puntas utilizadas son de trafil .311(Sierra). Saludos desde Argentina! Exelente su video.
I own a 7.65 Argentine mauser. I will have to pull it out and take a look @ it for all the points you brought up. If you are intrested, I’ll fill you in on my mauser. Be sure to have good ear protection when you shoot it. No recoil, but a lot of noise!
Wow. Nice buy. I love those old military rifles from that era. Usually very nice craftsmanship and you own a piece of history. I love guns that have a story behind them. The early smokeless powder days leading up to the World Wars makes for some really cool firearms.
Great share, great vid. I saw one at a gun show that had that flange screw to remove the magazine but short barrel cover - like an in-between evolutionary model, or one that maybe didn't have matching numbers. The bolt operated differently than yours, as well.
I am C&R collector and I have a very nice 1891. ser# D46XX. It was manufactured in 1893 by Loewe and has the brass tip cleaning rod and short handguard. I love these old rifles. They were made from wood and steel and not plastic.
My dad had an Argentine 7.65 sniper rifle with a beautiful fiddle back stock. The bolt on his was spring loaded so all you had to do was tap up on the handle and the bolt sprang back with considerable force to eject a spent shell. He was quite a marksman with open sights.
I just received mine this morning with a brass handled bayonet and sheath. I will be cleaning them today. I have not been able to find any PPU ammo for this rifle for a long time, nor .303 British ammo. Coincidentally they both use the same 174 grain .311 diameter projectile. I think I have twelve 7.65 PPU cartridges from several years ago which I hope to shoot in my rifle next week.
Have had an 1891 Argentine Mauser since 1977, I found ammo at the time in a pawn shop for $10. No such luck these days at that price. Sellier and Bellot were producing some good ammo a couple of years back, I resolved to load my own in 1986 when the prices were creeping to over $20 a box, could still find surplus ammo here and there. My rifle was sporterized a bit before it became part of my collection but still shoots very well. A unique Mauser to say the least.
I would say mine is sporterized a little too. No serial number on the stock and no place for a cleaning rod. My serial number n is around 500 off from the one in the video
I freakin LOVE mil surplus bolt action rifles and have collected them for 35 years. I never dreamed some of the old mausers I bought for less than $100 back in the 1980's would be going for $500 to $1000 some day. Gun prices are crazy these days.
Years ago, I suppose it was in the late 90’s, I got a spectacular 1909 Argentine cavalry carbine at a gun show. Not a reloaded, I thought, “How hard can it be to find ammunition for this beautiful carbine?”. At that time it turns out it was very hard. I got some ammunition, the correct size, which was 7.65 x 53 Argentine or Belgium. Unfortunately, I also found out that there was another 7.65 Argentine, one that was 7.65 x 54mm. I kid you not! My original carbine was made by DWM in Germany. I also found a refinished Argentine made cavalry carbine that was in not so good condition. I also bought a 1500 round case of “7.65 Argentine “ from a seller I located in Shotgun News. It turned out that this ammunition was the 7.65 x 54 variety, made in the Santa Barbara Arsenal, if I remember right. This stuff would not chamber in the beautiful German carbine, and the headspace on the Argentine made one was too large for it, as the rifle had a stretched chamber. The upshot was I wound up selling the German gun to a hand loader I knew, and I gave him the crummy ammo along with a warning to just pull the bullets and dump the rest. Nowadays, with the Internet, I would have kept the rifle and found the correct ammo. But just make sure that you check any ammo you find, and get a go/no go gauge to check the chamber of your great rifle. Enjoy.
Very interesting rifle and history. Argentine also bought many rifles to resell to neighbors' countries with Mauser's approval, (with no Argentine marks) later on others in South America started to buy from Mauser and FN with different calibers.
My n serial numbered 1891 has no hand guard or brass muzzle cap or cleaning rod but i did find some 7 65 ammo at the same auction. Still shoots. Thanks for the video. I payed around $300 for it and it is pretty clean. Serial number n0961. We have twins
I actually have one of these that im putting up on my channel. I found the best way to get this ammo is pick up brass and load it yourself. My 1891 has some sporterization done to it, but it is way less sporterized than I thought, as it turns out the short upper handguard is an original piece.
I've seen these at 2 of my local gun stores. 1 of them was already sold to somebody. It was in a better condition than the others. However, both of them aren't as great as the one shown in this video. The store that still has the Argentine Mauser also has a Swedish Mauser. If you guys want to buy them, you can visit Blackjack Gunsmithing in Austin, Texas.
I have almost the identical rifle. It was my first hunting rifle my dad gave me when I was 12 years old. 50 years later I still have it but likely 40 years since I shot it.
This is a really great video. I got one of these and a 1909 from a friend. Mine is in same or maybe better condition. I also have the brass barrel cap. The numbers on mine all match and shows dated 1893. Finally got to take it out a week ago. It shoots fantastic. I just love it! any one have an idea on where the sling on this one is from? I'd like to add one to mine.
Thanks for the info. If a guy wanted to clean the cosmolin off of the intricacies of this rifle, would you recommend disassembling the rifle? And how would a guy get the info to do this. If you can help, that would be great.
Argentine mausers we’re made in two batches the first was from 1892-1896 all those guns will be marked “Ludwig Lowe Berlin”. The second batch was ordered in 1899 and production ran from 1899-1902, however Ludwig Lowe went through a restructuring and renaming after some controversy surrounding the 1888 Commission rifle and became DWM. All guns from the second contract will be marked “Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken Berlin”. So if you’re looking to buy one, the Lowe guns are all legally recognized as antiques, the DWM guns are C&R guns. Also the last 20,000 rifles Argentina couldn’t pay for so arranged to sell the rifles to their neighbor and ally Peru. So if someone tries to sell you an 1891 Peruvian rifle and it has a Lowe manufactures mark, it’s a fake. Edit: also all the guns from the first contract didn’t have the screw for the magazine, the bolt sleeve for the cocking piece and safet was modified to include two little wings to add as gas shields (looks like a ‘93 shroud), had a short handgaurd much like the Ottoman 1890, and had a different rear sight for the bottlenose 7.65x53 cartridge. The Argentinians modified their guns in service with those changes and when ordering the second batch requested those changes be placed on those rifles from the factory. Not all Argentine guns went through the upgrade process though. My 1891 Argentine Mauser was made in 1893, was marked for naval service, and the only modification my rifle had was to the rear sight for the Spitzer cartridge. You can find Lowe marked guns in both conditions but the unmodified ones seem to be more rare but not uncommon.
I need help with an FN Peruvian Modelo 1935. I'm content to get 6" moa groups with the iron sights, but I would like to see what it's capable of, with a scope. I don't want to permanently alter it, so I would like to get a BAD ACE mount, but they haven't been able to help me without knowing what type of rear sight is on it.
Very easy to convert 30 06 brass. No special tool other than reloading dies. Also no fire forming required and converted brass is very close dimension unlike most other Mauser brass conversions.
I have an 1891 Mauser. I had previously shot the 7.65 x 53 ammo. Bought some more and realized the ammo that I bought is stamped 7.65 x 54. It is longer by a little bit than the previous ammo but chambers fine. Is it safe to shoot in the 1891 F serial number?
I had a DWM berlin 1891 Argentine, It was already bubba'd so I put a scope on it and shot the snot out of it. I later tore it down and rebuilt it in .220 swift, everything new, and even put a 3 position safety. Mine is T6329
I've never seen one of these with an intact crest. When Argentina surplused these after upgrading to M98 pattern Mausers in 1909, they removed the crests. It's a real shame, because they were probably one of the most gorgeous crests out there. The aforementioned M1909 Argentine mausers still have intact crests.
this was my dads colorado deer rifle still have it hunting at billys willys ranch with sleepy cat lounge somewhere in colorado with cap willis teising bros lee hunter from vincennes in so mode it be big jim
I received one of these 1891 Argentinian Mausers from an uncle when I was a kid but it was sporterized and converted into a hunting rifle at some point prior to me getting it. Ruined it imo. Still have it though.
It’s in beautiful condition, congratulations.
Nice find , I hope that you can video your range session shooting this fine old Mauser.
That's very clean looking on screen. What a gem.
Another early vs late feature is the bolt sleeve is Flanged in later rifles to improve gas shielding in the event of a failed cartridge, another feature in early rifles is that the extractor is 90 degrees to the bolt lugs and at an angle in later bolts, Mauser additionally sent replacement bolts for early rifles to prevent extractor breakage, it is unusual to find an early unupdated bolt
Roy.....When I took my 1891 to the range, I could only fire it as a single shot because the fixed magazine lips were so tight that the cartridges would not chamber when the bolt was pushed forward. I tried to remove the magazine, but the various screws were frozen. I was finally able to remove the entire magazine assembly from the the rifle which took hours. It is so precision fit to the wood stock removing it and replacing it were terribly difficult. I could not remove the threaded screws with Kroil and heat over a period of days. I finally gave up and put it back together in the wood stock. Everything else about the rifle was excellent. I wish I could fix the magazine loading problem, but am at a loss on how to do it.
***** I just received new 7.65 Argentine and .303 British PPU ammo from GRAFS & SONS, an online company that sells ammo, and reloading supplies. I hope you get this message so you can get some ammo to shoot in your beautiful rifle. It should be a tack driver.
Thanks for sharing your nifty old rifle.
What really blew me away about these argentine rifles is the history of Argentina itself, I didn't know much about it. Argentina back during this time was one of the wealthiest and best off countries on earth. The Average income for citizens was in the top 5 of all nations, surpassing many other European nations like Denmark and Sweden. Argentina has a extremely interesting history, and back then with how amazing the economy was Argentina wanted a modern military to match that international prestige. So it makes sense that they wanted the best at the time and spared no expense with top of the line German produced Mausers. In this way Belgium and Argentina for a time had nicer more modern rifles than most other nations on earth.
Very nice rifle with beautiful wood
Very nice. I would recommend you slug the bore. Mine is .314”. I found some out of print Sierras in that diameter and they work fine. It “patterns” with .312”s. Good luck!
Very nice find, enjoy it. Thanks for sharing it with us.
That is a fantastic firearm. I am a fan of the cavalry version.
El 7,65 x 54 mm un cartucho muy avanzado para la epoca. En las recargas con polvoras modernas se logran prestaciones superiores al 7,62 x 51mm (.308) y muy similares al 30.06. El tipo de puntas utilizadas son de trafil .311(Sierra). Saludos desde Argentina! Exelente su video.
I own a 7.65 Argentine mauser. I will have to pull it out and take a look @ it for all the points you brought up. If you are intrested, I’ll fill you in on my mauser. Be sure to have good ear protection when you shoot it. No recoil, but a lot of noise!
Gorgeous rifle great find!!!
Wow. Nice buy. I love those old military rifles from that era. Usually very nice craftsmanship and you own a piece of history. I love guns that have a story behind them. The early smokeless powder days leading up to the World Wars makes for some really cool firearms.
I love the smooth bolt action of the 1891 mauser
Nice rifle Roy!
Great share, great vid. I saw one at a gun show that had that flange screw to remove the magazine but short barrel cover - like an in-between evolutionary model, or one that maybe didn't have matching numbers. The bolt operated differently than yours, as well.
Thanks, Roy!
Man I’ve been looking for one of those for a year! Congrats!!
You said "Pretty Good Shape"... Hell, that thing is immaculate!....
That’s awesome! I looked at this rifle a few weeks ago when I was in the store.
I am C&R collector and I have a very nice 1891. ser# D46XX. It was manufactured in 1893 by Loewe and has the brass tip cleaning rod and short handguard. I love these old rifles. They were made from wood and steel and not plastic.
My dad had an Argentine 7.65 sniper rifle with a beautiful fiddle back stock. The bolt on his was spring loaded so all you had to do was tap up on the handle and the bolt sprang back with considerable force to eject a spent shell. He was quite a marksman with open sights.
Beautiful rifle, congrats!
I just received mine this morning with a brass handled bayonet and sheath. I will be cleaning them today. I have not been able to find any PPU ammo for this rifle for a long time, nor .303 British ammo. Coincidentally they both use the same 174 grain .311 diameter projectile. I think I have twelve 7.65 PPU cartridges from several years ago which I hope to shoot in my rifle next week.
Have had an 1891 Argentine Mauser since 1977, I found ammo at the time in a pawn shop for $10. No such luck these days at that price. Sellier and Bellot were producing some good ammo a couple of years back, I resolved to load my own in 1986 when the prices were creeping to over $20 a box, could still find surplus ammo here and there. My rifle was sporterized a bit before it became part of my collection but still shoots very well. A unique Mauser to say the least.
I would say mine is sporterized a little too. No serial number on the stock and no place for a cleaning rod. My serial number n is around 500 off from the one in the video
These "From the Vault" videos give me a nostalgic, warm and fuzzy feeling. Please do one on the proprietary Herters firearms.
These shoot cast great.
What did you use to clean the cosmoline off of the wood?
I just picked up an 1891 Argy Cavalry carbine produced in 1893. The stock is from an Engineers carbine but it’s very good condition over all.
I freakin LOVE mil surplus bolt action rifles and have collected them for 35 years. I never dreamed some of the old mausers I bought for less than $100 back in the 1980's would be going for $500 to $1000 some day. Gun prices are crazy these days.
Interesting. Good find
That's real class !
Nice!
Years ago, I suppose it was in the late 90’s, I got a spectacular 1909 Argentine cavalry carbine at a gun show. Not a reloaded, I thought, “How hard can it be to find ammunition for this beautiful carbine?”. At that time it turns out it was very hard. I got some ammunition, the correct size, which was 7.65 x 53 Argentine or Belgium. Unfortunately, I also found out that there was another 7.65 Argentine, one that was 7.65 x 54mm. I kid you not! My original carbine was made by DWM in Germany. I also found a refinished Argentine made cavalry carbine that was in not so good condition. I also bought a 1500 round case of “7.65 Argentine “ from a seller I located in Shotgun News. It turned out that this ammunition was the 7.65 x 54 variety, made in the Santa Barbara Arsenal, if I remember right. This stuff would not chamber in the beautiful German carbine, and the headspace on the Argentine made one was too large for it, as the rifle had a stretched chamber. The upshot was I wound up selling the German gun to a hand loader I knew, and I gave him the crummy ammo along with a warning to just pull the bullets and dump the rest. Nowadays, with the Internet, I would have kept the rifle and found the correct ammo. But just make sure that you check any ammo you find, and get a go/no go gauge to check the chamber of your great rifle. Enjoy.
Way better than my old one. Perfect height
Very interesting rifle and history. Argentine also bought many rifles to resell to neighbors' countries with Mauser's approval, (with no Argentine marks) later on others in South America started to buy from Mauser and FN with different calibers.
My n serial numbered 1891 has no hand guard or brass muzzle cap or cleaning rod but i did find some 7 65 ammo at the same auction. Still shoots. Thanks for the video. I payed around $300 for it and it is pretty clean. Serial number n0961. We have twins
I actually have one of these that im putting up on my channel. I found the best way to get this ammo is pick up brass and load it yourself.
My 1891 has some sporterization done to it, but it is way less sporterized than I thought, as it turns out the short upper handguard is an original piece.
Back in the 1960s M1891s were sold already mildly sporterized by the importer or distributor. You might have one of those.
I've seen these at 2 of my local gun stores. 1 of them was already sold to somebody. It was in a better condition than the others. However, both of them aren't as great as the one shown in this video. The store that still has the Argentine Mauser also has a Swedish Mauser. If you guys want to buy them, you can visit Blackjack Gunsmithing in Austin, Texas.
6.5 swede ammo is at least a lot easier to find...
"pretty good shape" that's an understatement if I ever heard one
I have almost the identical rifle. It was my first hunting rifle my dad gave me when I was 12 years old. 50 years later I still have it but likely 40 years since I shot it.
This is a really great video. I got one of these and a 1909 from a friend. Mine is in same or maybe better condition. I also have the brass barrel cap. The numbers on mine all match and shows dated 1893. Finally got to take it out a week ago. It shoots fantastic. I just love it! any one have an idea on where the sling on this one is from? I'd like to add one to mine.
I have B series and it has the detents on the sights all numbers matching brass end cleaning rod matching number
Thanks for the info. If a guy wanted to clean the cosmolin off of the intricacies of this rifle, would you recommend disassembling the rifle? And how would a guy get the info to do this. If you can help, that would be great.
It’s been a month. Did you try searching YT for info?
@@samiam619 yes, I found a fantastic video on disassembling the 1891 Argentine. All set.
That’s a nice score there.
Argentine mausers we’re made in two batches the first was from 1892-1896 all those guns will be marked “Ludwig Lowe Berlin”. The second batch was ordered in 1899 and production ran from 1899-1902, however Ludwig Lowe went through a restructuring and renaming after some controversy surrounding the 1888 Commission rifle and became DWM. All guns from the second contract will be marked “Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken Berlin”. So if you’re looking to buy one, the Lowe guns are all legally recognized as antiques, the DWM guns are C&R guns.
Also the last 20,000 rifles Argentina couldn’t pay for so arranged to sell the rifles to their neighbor and ally Peru. So if someone tries to sell you an 1891 Peruvian rifle and it has a Lowe manufactures mark, it’s a fake.
Edit: also all the guns from the first contract didn’t have the screw for the magazine, the bolt sleeve for the cocking piece and safet was modified to include two little wings to add as gas shields (looks like a ‘93 shroud), had a short handgaurd much like the Ottoman 1890, and had a different rear sight for the bottlenose 7.65x53 cartridge. The Argentinians modified their guns in service with those changes and when ordering the second batch requested those changes be placed on those rifles from the factory. Not all Argentine guns went through the upgrade process though. My 1891 Argentine Mauser was made in 1893, was marked for naval service, and the only modification my rifle had was to the rear sight for the Spitzer cartridge. You can find Lowe marked guns in both conditions but the unmodified ones seem to be more rare but not uncommon.
You mentioned the Commission GEW 88. Do you have any additional information on them?
I need help with an FN Peruvian Modelo 1935. I'm content to get 6" moa groups with the iron sights, but I would like to see what it's capable of, with a scope. I don't want to permanently alter it, so I would like to get a BAD ACE mount, but they haven't been able to help me without knowing what type of rear sight is on it.
How can you identify the rifle as a 7.65 Mauser? Are there any markings on the barrel that say '7.65 Mauser'?
Very easy to convert 30 06 brass. No special tool other than reloading dies. Also no fire forming required and converted brass is very close dimension unlike most other Mauser brass conversions.
How you compare this rifle against the Chilean 1895? I saw a chilean 1895 in mint condition and I’m tented to buy it. Are any good?
Not even close. The quality is superb on the argentine
would have loved to see procedure to load ammo.
THANKS
What sling does he use?
I have an 1891 Mauser. I had previously shot the 7.65 x 53 ammo. Bought some more and realized the ammo that I bought is stamped 7.65 x 54. It is longer by a little bit than the previous ammo but chambers fine. Is it safe to shoot in the 1891 F serial number?
I had a DWM berlin 1891 Argentine, It was already bubba'd so I put a scope on it and shot the snot out of it. I later tore it down and rebuilt it in .220 swift, everything new, and even put a 3 position safety. Mine is T6329
Can some please comment on what the value is in great condition?
Any info on serial numbers for each year?
I have a Mauser modelo argentino 1891. Very nice condition. I will like to know the value of it. Thank you
Looks nice though looks like the Argentina roll mark was scrubbed off
The only ammo I could get for mine ,other than surplus, came from Norma.
No change from the late 70's.
Muzzle cap is not correct. Nice rifle, unfortunately seems it's missing the crest.
I've never seen one of these with an intact crest. When Argentina surplused these after upgrading to M98 pattern Mausers in 1909, they removed the crests.
It's a real shame, because they were probably one of the most gorgeous crests out there. The aforementioned M1909 Argentine mausers still have intact crests.
@@SauerkrautIsGood i can show you two. They do exist.
IIRC, the wire holding the upper hand guard is supposed to be copper wire…
I want one!
As much as I like Steve, Keith, and Caleb doing From the Vault videos, I really liked ol' possumfatback Roy Hill doing this one
this was my dads colorado deer rifle still have it hunting at billys willys ranch with sleepy cat lounge somewhere in colorado with cap willis teising bros lee hunter from vincennes in so mode it be big jim
👍👍nice
The magazine is not detachable, or not easily detachable. I guess it can be done with a screw driver.
THIS is the comment I’ve been looking for. Without taking mine out of the safe, I said to myself: “Self, he’s wrong about the detachable magazine“!
love mine, 6.5, think its a parade or civil authority model.
Does it have chrome plating? Mine does its kinda weird
Thank you so much could you help me i have one i picked up in 1987 i love it # N 9240 matching 🙂
my 1891 had a german ladder sight, im betting its a Peruvian Mauser
my S/N is N6000!
👍🏻
I received one of these 1891 Argentinian Mausers from an uncle when I was a kid but it was sporterized and converted into a hunting rifle at some point prior to me getting it. Ruined it imo. Still have it though.
Amunition.
The Japanese copied this and it became the Arisaka
I hear this is a model 1891... about 20 times I hear this.
So his sin starts with n mine starts with an A
Had one, donated to NRA museum - poor condition
Roy, bring back the fake news reports!
First
Stop it. Get some help.
be a good parent quit it
El mejor fusil de la historia mauser 7.65 x 53 Argentino el mejor de la historia !!!!!!!!
可以哦
My dad has the 1891 Argentine that I'm tryna get off him but he being stingy.😂