Funny they didn't mention that in the Disney version. In the original version the story opens with a young queen sewing at her windowsill on a winter's day when she pricked her finger and three drops of blood fell in the snow. She wished for a daughter with skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood and hair as black as a ravens wing.
Killjoy Slimez still a minor. Then again, (different story referenced) the age of consent was 12 years old when Lewis Carroll wrote "Alice in Wonderland"! 😒
She must have been asleep for at least six years or maybe she had lived with dwarves for several years. Most girls didn't marry until they were 13 or 14 during Medieval times.
In the original oral version the Grimm's recorded, the Queen was actually Snow White's *biological mother.* This was too disturbing even for the Grimms so they made her a wicked stepmother in their second edition of stories.
Little Red is eaten by the wolf and so is the grandmother, and Rapunzel's prince is blinded by thorns that the Mom placed there because Rapunzel has been placed into a swamp and all of her hair was cut off. So ya..... dark....
sleeping beauty is interesting too the first part is correct about maleficent putting her under the curse although I forgot her age but the prince that comes to rescue her is actually a king and married then he rapes snow white because he couldn't wake her up when snow white finally wakes up after the 100 years she gives birth to the baby and goes to the neighboring kingdom where the king takes her in the queen finds out that its sleeping beauty and the kings child and devises a plan to kill the child cook it and feed it to the king she fails and is beheaded by the king I think then the king and sleeping beauty live happily ever after personally I think either sleeping beauty and the little mermaid is a tie between the most messed up story he should really do a video about it.
I’m not sure if this is true but I think In sleeping beauty she gives birth to the baby while still asleep/dead, and the baby sucks the poison from her thumb and she lives again.
Also, I’m pretty sure that when the queen wants to be the ‘fairest’, she didn’t just mean general beauty, she meant literal fairness- pale/whiteness. That’s why Snow eventually surpasses her; because where’s the queen actually goes out and lives, Snow is literally kept in a room her whole life with very little light, thus eventually she would have to be the ‘fairest’ at some point, regardless of her ‘beauty’.
There's a different perspective which focuses not on her literal beauty, but her innocence. This makes sense, as for the viewer Snowwhite and the queen are equal in beauty - yet people (both audience and in-story characters, as well as the usually shy forest creatures) like Snowwhite more. In other words, the queen may have thought Snowwhite was more liked because of her beauty, but the story makes clear that outer beauty doesn't matter Snowwhite is purer than the queen, not only in terms of her skin or beauty, but also in terms of the goodness of character that resulted from her innocence. She is so pure of heart, it borders on naivete. Even though she was forewarned by the dwarves, as well as the animals, she let the queen disguised as the old lady into her home. Perhaps it is because she was locked away she grew up to be so pure?
I'm 25 yo. Is it weird that my parents told me the original versions of all these tales since I was little? 😅 I remember not being freaked out by them although nowadays one can think they are more morbid, but with the eyes of a child it's different. I really love the originals better. Btw in my Snow White version it's a belt instead of the lace
I found the brothers’ Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen book in my school library when I was like 8 or 9, then read them. Never traumatized me and I loved the original story more back then too
My Great Grandmother had pre-WWII copies of both Anderson's and Grimm's tales (In English) that I found and read (and have had since she passed.) She started me on the saying "Disney sanitized for your protection." I can enjoy Disney movies...however will always remember what Gramma taught me: Fairy Tales are Horror Stories designed to scare/teach morals to children while Disney movies are designed to joyfully teach children to get their parents to buy them things.
About the age thing, one of my theories is that Snow lived with the dwarves for a number of years, and grew up into adolescence while living with them. While marrying at that age is unacceptable to modern society, that was actually common practice in the Medieval Era. Another theory is that, while it says that she was seven when she was so beautiful, that she actually grew up to be more beautiful than her step-mom in later years. There again, we encounter a teenager getting married when the prince comes, but, also again, that was common practice back then. Unfortunately. This practice occurred because most people had died by the time they turned 30 in those days, if they were lucky. Or, unlucky, given that it's the Medieval period, and that things were utterly terrible during that time.
There's another Brothers Grimm fairy-tale called Snow-White and Rose-Red which has nothing to do with, but is sometimes combined with this Snow White. In fact, Disney is making a spin-off from the Disney Snow White, starring Rose Red.
Another old version has one of the men got tired of carrying the coffin and put it down and slapped snow white in the face making the apple peace fall out
LOL! I read the original Grimm's tale years and years ago and that same thing floored me. I was like...Prince Charming was a pedophilic necrophiliac. He saw a dead seven year old in a glass box and was like, "Oooh, I'm in love!" Creepy.
When i was younger I had a fairy tales book and am very sure it was by the grimm brothers, so before I actually saw the Disney films I had already read those stories. Weirdly enough I couldn't remember I had that book but when I saw the paintings/illustrations I immediately recognized them, but sadly we moved houses and I no longer have that book.
Rach The age of the prince wasn't stated but pedophiles weren't approved of during that time period, the prince looks like he was 14/15, so that wouldn't make him a pedo.
It is great to see someone bring attention to the originals that inspired the Disney Films, as it always saddens me to see that nowadays many people concider the Disney movies to be the definitive versions. Concidering the iron slippers: that's a Grimm trope (or actually fairy tale trope ) They were always quite creative when it came to punish the baddies.
The funny thing is that in Germany - I guess somewhere else as well - the original fairytale is read to kids as a bedtime story. The story you told was the one I was growing up with. Exactly with almost every origin story of the Grim Brothers. 😁
I love watching your messed up origins videos! My favorite one has to be sleeping beauty though! I would love to see one on the messed up origins of Pocahontas.
What bothers me the most is not the age discrepancy but the fact, that a poisened apple which was supposed to poison and not to suffocate snowwhite, was negated by spitting it out.
A channel I am a fan of partly for telling tales from mythology and partly for being an Australian (the accent is comforting to my Aussie ear), had a tale called "The Juniper Tree" which sounds like an alternate version of some parts of Snow White. There's a child who is pale as snow and red as blood, and hateful stepmother, apples, and a murderous plot to kill the child. However from that point on it differs, since the child does get killed and turned into stew, but a magic bird in the juniper tree collects items in trade for singing and then gives them to the family members, culminating with a miller's stone for the stepmother, which kills her, and the bird turning into the child who had been murdered. I have said this before, but I think old fairy tales spread all over Europe with different versions taking hold in different areas, various parts popping up here and there, and we get a tale that sounds like the start of Snow White, or other tales with parts of Greco-Roman myth, or sharing plot points with Cinderella.
Dear john, you know that stories "travel" in particular ways sometimes... Analysing eastern-medieval (byzantine) texts taught me that some numbers appear in a symbolic and non-realistic way. One of these numbers is number 7 which, if im not mistaken, has a broader use beyond the Byzantine empire (that i know a few things off). Sooo, maybe that could be one explanation, that 7 is not the age of the girl in the tale but it may have a symbolic meaning that the people who heard the stories knew. And if the story is found written probably the writer wanted to maintain some basic traditional forms. what do you think?
I've read this one too, but I forgot about the corset part. I just remembered the poison comb and her coughing up the apple chunk and those good ole iron shoes.
I remember watching a version starring The Three Stooges and in that the Prince didn't even kiss Snow White. He just took her in his arms and pleads for her to come back to life. She does. Then they lived happily ever after.
I've seen other shows that describe Snow White's origins, some of the things included in those were that the queen also wanted a vial of snow whites blood to add to her wine and drink, and she wanted the vial to be corked with Snow Whites pinky, so the huntsman really does cut her pinky off, but then he lets her go. another thing included was that Snow White slept for 5 years, aging the entire time (which the dwarves apparently thought was normal), meaning when the prince saw her she was 12, and in those days it wasn't uncommon for girls that young to get married.
We were reading fairytales in literature class last year, and my group was designated Snow White. Having heard how messed up other fairytales are, I was disappointed, only to find Snow White was even more messed up!
Actually, in the original folk story, the evil step-mother was her real mother. This was changed since it was supposed to be for children and having your birth mother try to kill you is really harsh. Actually most stories that have step mothers, are actually trying to just hide the fact that it was there birth mother. It’s pretty messed up.
Just found out I got two fairy tales mixed up. I thought the dancing in hot slippers happened in Cinderella, along with the eye pecking the sisters got. Interesting story.
My friend was just telling me that she studied that the dwarves were an analogy for children working in mines, and Snow White also being a kid just wanted to play with them. Maybe it was sort of a story to tell children that even if their step mother was a narcissist, their life could always be worse. 🤣🤣🤣 (sorry if my dark humor offended anyone, I’m just trying to lighten the mood while sharing the information)
Some of the older versions explain the aging, "Being like dad but alive and aging" Sometimes she's with the Dwarves, dragons, or thieves for seven or more years. Also the Brother's Grimm was the first version with the villain being her step mother. Most versions had her as her actual mother. Some a jealous aunt or sister, who was her guardian after her parent's death.
I'm glad they kept the ending, where the wicked witch stepmother had to put on a heated up iron slippers and dance until she died, out. That entire part makes Snow White and the Prince seem a little sadistic.
It's funny to find out that I grew up with the OG story of snowwhite. As a child I never thought that this is disturbing, looking back it's crazy but I still feel nostalgic xD
Snow White is assumed to be the same age from death to when she awakens if not a year apart. As for the lacing the two main interpretations are corset lacing which would kill many wealthy young women in that time or the proper lacing of a neck-lace that would be used to convey one’s innocence. These are just the common assumptions made by schools and literature majors. As for the dancing till she died, no teacher or student I’ve ever met has been able to explain that. Odd.
I've never had an issue understanding why the red-hot slippers would force the Queen to dance to death; it's surprising that so many people are expressing confusion about it. Obviously iron shoes heated over a fire would be incredibly painful to wear and so it makes sense that the Queen would instinctively keep moving her feet in an effort to get them off (similar to when you're at the beach during the summer and you step on hot sand, you want to keep lifting your feet to avoid the burn). The Queen moving in such a panicked way probably looked like dancing and I think she most likely died of exhaustion from not being able to stop.
When some people get into car accidents to then be taken to the hospital by ambulance but on their way die on arrive. It is said to be death by pain. She probably die by pain from the red iron hot slippers.
Lillian Patter There is another tale about people dancing until death(Forgot the name). I think it was a form of punishment that has happend in real life in those times. You can always ask Google! 😊
#ImaBeWaitingOnYouAtTheDoe i think i see which tale you're talking about. In Britany there is a field of dolmens and many fairy tales about it. I don't know their names but I heard one that said that druids (and random people) came to pray around those giant stones during the day. But at nights little korrigans would haunt these places, and make bonfire, music and dance arround the stones. If a human spotted the lights and decided to sneak on them to spy them, the korrigans would catch him and force him to dance with them all night around the stones until he dies from exaustion and we'd find his dead body in the field in the morning. As a kid i remember thinking bitch please i never get tired of dancing the korrigans can just try me x)! Was that the tale you were thinking about?
The Grimm Brothers changed their original draft of this story because of several reasons: 1.) original draft was a lot darker, with evil Queen actually being Snow White's birth mother, not the evil step-mother. 2.) they made the change from mother to step-mother because they thought a mother wanting their own daughter dead was way to dark & that the story would be a lot more believable if the evil Queen was the step-mother, rather than the mother of Snow White. Sorry to correct you on this particular historical fact regarding the story of Snow White; but I agree with the Grimm Brothers about the original draft having been way too dark & can see why they thought a mother wanting to kill her child out of jealousy was so heinous that they changed the story to be a jealous step-mother...though step-mother s have been unfairly much maligned historically.
So the reasons Disney changed the state of the dwarves house from super clean to super messy was to better establish the Dwarves' need to keep Snow White around. I mean if your a family of neat freak, germaphobe perfectionists, would you really trust a complete stranger who's been pampered her whole life to keep your house spotless and germ free???
In my youth, Mom took me to see Snow White & the 7 Dwarfs and I loved it.(I was only 3 1/2 years old.)The story has many versions,as I found out later.
Guys, just think about it… from Snow White’s POV, the entire story makes sense. She bit into the “wishing apple” wishing to be with the man she loves and live happily ever after. She’s poisoned and killed but wakes up to the man she loves and lives happily ever after… crazy…
There's a version called The Story of Snow White and it's live action and musical where the evil queen bought the lace, comb and apple to Snow White. When they tripped on the tree stump, the apple flew and hit the evil queen. At the wedding she slowly started to fall apart.
I don't know how much time is supposed to have passed while she was in the glass coffin but you'd think that if she somehow aged and grew from a seven-year-old child into a young woman whilst supposedly "dead", the dwarfs would have noticed and thought, "hmmm, maybe she's really alive after all".
I literally got into a fight with a friend because I was talking to a different friend about the Grimm's Snow White, and the other friend butted in and started fighting with me about it not knowing that Disney didn't write the story. I also read this story for a thing in 8th grade where we had to stand in front of the class and read as much of a long story as we could in 3-5 minutes.
WEll its best to keep note these stories take place during medieval times society worked differently and was probably common to see young girls getting married off since life expectancy was low during that time
I wanna add just one thing. The Evil Queen tricks Snow White into eating the apple by poisoning only one side of it and eating the other half herself, so Snow White sees, the apple isn't dangerous.
Random maybe 25 year old guy: "Will you marry me?" 7 Year old girl: "Yes!" Me: OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NORMAL, Y'KNOW YOUR EVERYDAY ROUTINE. LIKE DUHHH LIKE OH, EM, GEE, LIKE WHY DO YOU THINK ITS LIKE WEIRD LIKE. xDxDxD
I’m from Austria and when I was a kid I saw movies with real actors telling the original version of the Grimm fairy tales...don’t know why I’m not scarred for life
I read somewhere that in the older story of Snow White it’s not her step mother but her actual mother who wants her dead, and that they changed it because it was too dark.
I really like your videos Jon. Your videos open up another door to all these movie theories and shows me a different side to all the childhood stories that I've grown up knowing. I can't wait for more videos :D
Left turn or LAUGH turn lol Prince saw a pretty girl Didn't care she was around 10 Married her Had around 12 children Dies from being stabbed in the gut (Prince) Yes it is all true
As I understood things, women around the time period Snow White was written were married off pretty much as son as their first period kicked in. Even though no time was mentioned to have passed, if snow white was 7 when she was first in the story, a normal assumption of time passage between all the attempts to kill her from the Queen might have made her more like 10, 12 or even 14. And if she was 14 then back then....yup she is ripe for the picking (I don't condone it, but that was the style at the time.)
Depending on how much time had passed since she started staying with the dwarves, it’s not THAT surprising. Back then, being married by the time you’re 13 was pretty common, especially for nobility. And age differences weren’t a concern to them. They actually thought it was ‘the younger the better’ because that gave them more time to give sons.
I heard somewhere that in the original story the queen was Show White's real mother. Disney made it her stepmother because the idea of a queen being jealous of her own daughter would not sit well with the viewers
As a german, that's a pretty normal story for me. We even had it (in this version) on tape. Just that lung and liver where the heart and the bear cub a deer.
Nothing, actually. The Grimms brothers, if I’m correct, didn’t actually write the fairytales, instead they compiled and edited folktales from different cultures around them, so these tales were originally probably oral tales handed down the generations, and they were some of the first to write them down.
I've seen a couple of these messed up origin clips so far and all I take from each story is that maybe all those situations weren't true but the society that alot of these princess stories were based on were true. I'm so glad I live in this time period and I assume and hope that generations after us will be in an even better thinking society.
Twinkle Boqueo Yeah, but it's not an adaptation though. The book and the movie have nothing in common with the plot. The only thing they have in common is the existance of a 'Snow Queen'.
That's now. Back then having unnaturally pale skin was considered beautiful, at least in European civilizations. That was because darker skin was a sign of being lower class since all the peasants had to go out in the sun and actually WORK for a living while the wealthy and nobility sat around inside being waited on all day.
I've heard this version before but I also heard another one where the Prince rapes snow white and the only was she wakes up is with the birth of her twins
I was told that the queen was not evil in the beginning. She was quite normal until she found out that her husband, the king, was more interested in her daughter than herself and so she decided to have her killed. I also heard that the prince actually cared for her for years before she woke up. I don’t know if that’s true though.
Yes, but many of them are variations of stories already known. The brothers Grimm did not merely create a collection of stories. They catalogued them according to their motivs and everything.
You forgot the part about her Mom seeing blood on the snow and wishing for a daughter that looks like that.
She wished for a goth daughter
Funny they didn't mention that in the Disney version. In the original version the story opens with a young queen sewing at her windowsill on a winter's day when she pricked her finger and three drops of blood fell in the snow. She wished for a daughter with skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood and hair as black as a ravens wing.
Yeah
Avital Lichtenfeld that’s nice😂😂🙃
@@melissacooper4282 i always read a version where its as black as the ebony of the window sill
A prince with no age mentioned falls for the unconscious body of a 7 year old girl. BROTHERS GRIMM, EVERYONE!
Monique Star thus doesn’t make it any better but in the Disney movie she was 14! 14!
Killjoy Slimez still a minor. Then again, (different story referenced) the age of consent was 12 years old when Lewis Carroll wrote "Alice in Wonderland"! 😒
Monique Star that's just weird😲😕
Monique Star you just coppied that from a meme or idk if its a meme but there is one that you copied exactly like that
Women from a long time ago were forced to marry old men when they were in their teens too
She must have been asleep for at least six years or maybe she had lived with dwarves for several years. Most girls didn't marry until they were 13 or 14 during Medieval times.
yeah their bodies decay. so if it had been that long then...
i don't know if this will help, but in the movie Snow White was 14... :/
Snow White sleeps for about 7 years
sharp52092 true
it wasn't death..it was magical sleep. So maybee she aged during her sleep. she slept seven years and her body didn't decay.
In the original oral version the Grimm's recorded, the Queen was actually Snow White's *biological mother.* This was too disturbing even for the Grimms so they made her a wicked stepmother in their second edition of stories.
i know little red riding hood and rapunzel have pretty interesting/messed up origins. you should do a video on one of those!!
Amber Ikr
Little Red is eaten by the wolf and so is the grandmother, and Rapunzel's prince is blinded by thorns that the Mom placed there because Rapunzel has been placed into a swamp and all of her hair was cut off. So ya..... dark....
SmileyRiley Covers Σ('◉⌓◉’) well damn....
sleeping beauty is interesting too the first part is correct about maleficent putting her under the curse although I forgot her age but the prince that comes to rescue her is actually a king and married then he rapes snow white because he couldn't wake her up when snow white finally wakes up after the 100 years she gives birth to the baby and goes to the neighboring kingdom where the king takes her in the queen finds out that its sleeping beauty and the kings child and devises a plan to kill the child cook it and feed it to the king she fails and is beheaded by the king I think then the king and sleeping beauty live happily ever after personally I think either sleeping beauty and the little mermaid is a tie between the most messed up story he should really do a video about it.
I’m not sure if this is true but I think In sleeping beauty she gives birth to the baby while still asleep/dead, and the baby sucks the poison from her thumb and she lives again.
Also, I’m pretty sure that when the queen wants to be the ‘fairest’, she didn’t just mean general beauty, she meant literal fairness- pale/whiteness. That’s why Snow eventually surpasses her; because where’s the queen actually goes out and lives, Snow is literally kept in a room her whole life with very little light, thus eventually she would have to be the ‘fairest’ at some point, regardless of her ‘beauty’.
There's a different perspective which focuses not on her literal beauty, but her innocence. This makes sense, as for the viewer Snowwhite and the queen are equal in beauty - yet people (both audience and in-story characters, as well as the usually shy forest creatures) like Snowwhite more. In other words, the queen may have thought Snowwhite was more liked because of her beauty, but the story makes clear that outer beauty doesn't matter
Snowwhite is purer than the queen, not only in terms of her skin or beauty, but also in terms of the goodness of character that resulted from her innocence.
She is so pure of heart, it borders on naivete. Even though she was forewarned by the dwarves, as well as the animals, she let the queen disguised as the old lady into her home.
Perhaps it is because she was locked away she grew up to be so pure?
I'm 25 yo. Is it weird that my parents told me the original versions of all these tales since I was little? 😅 I remember not being freaked out by them although nowadays one can think they are more morbid, but with the eyes of a child it's different. I really love the originals better. Btw in my Snow White version it's a belt instead of the lace
I had the same thought. :)
same....my mom told me because she said they were lying to me and she was obsessed with fairytales/mythology....anything fantasy....
same
I found the brothers’ Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen book in my school library when I was like 8 or 9, then read them. Never traumatized me and I loved the original story more back then too
My Great Grandmother had pre-WWII copies of both Anderson's and Grimm's tales (In English) that I found and read (and have had since she passed.) She started me on the saying "Disney sanitized for your protection." I can enjoy Disney movies...however will always remember what Gramma taught me: Fairy Tales are Horror Stories designed to scare/teach morals to children while Disney movies are designed to joyfully teach children to get their parents to buy them things.
Why is a 7 year old wearing a corset???
I'm only being sarcastic She was a “proper lady” they typically were had to start wearing those when they were 5
IHAVEABSOULTYNOIDEA!!!
I'm only being sarcastic yeah
Actually a lot of kids back then wore them as babies.
I'm only being sarcastic older time and a princess, princesses wore corsets
What up with the prince kissing corpses in the forest
Strange fact: up to the early 20th century it was a custom to kiss the dead goodbye out of respect.
@@HyperionaSilverleaf oh I geuss that makes sense...
I was always wandering why the princes kiss dead girls.
Thanks for explaining that!
The first necrophiliac
Desperate
sleeping beauty is wayyyy worse my dude
About the age thing, one of my theories is that Snow lived with the dwarves for a number of years, and grew up into adolescence while living with them. While marrying at that age is unacceptable to modern society, that was actually common practice in the Medieval Era.
Another theory is that, while it says that she was seven when she was so beautiful, that she actually grew up to be more beautiful than her step-mom in later years. There again, we encounter a teenager getting married when the prince comes, but, also again, that was common practice back then.
Unfortunately. This practice occurred because most people had died by the time they turned 30 in those days, if they were lucky. Or, unlucky, given that it's the Medieval period, and that things were utterly terrible during that time.
There's another Brothers Grimm fairy-tale called Snow-White and Rose-Red which has nothing to do with, but is sometimes combined with this Snow White. In fact, Disney is making a spin-off from the Disney Snow White, starring Rose Red.
I know that story, about "Schneeweißchen und Rosenrot" (Don't know if they are really called Snow-White and Rose-Red)
Yes, they ARE called Snow-White and Rose-Red.
you need to read "Snow, Glass, Apples" by Neil Gaiman. you will never look at this story the same way again. Thank you for all of the great videos.
What are the odds I would stumble across you here john!
I think I read this before...
sounds better than Disney to me
Sounds more REALISTIC to me....
Like who would come to life bc of a random guy kissing your corpse?
Ted Chaervey yass
In my opinion.....
YES
cady deadrose film theory actually came up with an explanation for that
@@cadencesanborn4691 it's not a random guy... He knows the girl and they live eachother so that's why the kiss worked
3:04 "jealousy is an ugly color.."
*Me:* there's a new colour called "jealousy"!? **searches for jealousy color**
Another old version has one of the men got tired of carrying the coffin and put it down and slapped snow white in the face making the apple peace fall out
AFSBSBSNDJDHY THEY JUST SLAP A CORPSE ENSKDGNFB they must have shit bricks whrn she woke up from the dead!
This honest to God made my day
lmfaoooo
I love how you do your own research and not still from other creator's channels like some people do.
I love these “origins explained” videos! They’re so interesting
The witch selling lace refers to the lacing of a corset which often wore out because of how much pulling it took to properly lace up
She wakes up and is just like SCUSE ME, I ORDERED A CHEESE BURGER AND FRIES NOT NO PIOSEN APPLE AND DEATH!
These are great. Keep doing the Disney origins stories.
LOL! I read the original Grimm's tale years and years ago and that same thing floored me. I was like...Prince Charming was a pedophilic necrophiliac. He saw a dead seven year old in a glass box and was like, "Oooh, I'm in love!" Creepy.
And once again I grew up with this messed up original story read to me by my family all the time
When i was younger I had a fairy tales book and am very sure it was by the grimm brothers, so before I actually saw the Disney films I had already read those stories. Weirdly enough I couldn't remember I had that book but when I saw the paintings/illustrations I immediately recognized them, but sadly we moved houses and I no longer have that book.
She was thirteen when she awoke.
Rachtop unless the prince is also 13
@Rach that doesn't make it better
@Rach I'm aware now
Rach The age of the prince wasn't stated but pedophiles weren't approved of during that time period, the prince looks like he was 14/15, so that wouldn't make him a pedo.
Source? Seriously.
It is great to see someone bring attention to the originals that inspired the Disney Films, as it always saddens me to see that nowadays many people concider the Disney movies to be the definitive versions. Concidering the iron slippers: that's a Grimm trope (or actually fairy tale trope ) They were always quite creative when it came to punish the baddies.
The funny thing is that in Germany - I guess somewhere else as well - the original fairytale is read to kids as a bedtime story. The story you told was the one I was growing up with. Exactly with almost every origin story of the Grim Brothers. 😁
You should change your name to Jon Snowlo...
1:29 “So she wins” **casually takes a sip of water**
Prince: will you marry me ?
Snow white: y-
Me: hold on a sec I thought snowy over here was like 7
I love watching your messed up origins videos! My favorite one has to be sleeping beauty though! I would love to see one on the messed up origins of Pocahontas.
What bothers me the most is not the age discrepancy but the fact, that a poisened apple which was supposed to poison and not to suffocate snowwhite, was negated by spitting it out.
A channel I am a fan of partly for telling tales from mythology and partly for being an Australian (the accent is comforting to my Aussie ear), had a tale called "The Juniper Tree" which sounds like an alternate version of some parts of Snow White. There's a child who is pale as snow and red as blood, and hateful stepmother, apples, and a murderous plot to kill the child. However from that point on it differs, since the child does get killed and turned into stew, but a magic bird in the juniper tree collects items in trade for singing and then gives them to the family members, culminating with a miller's stone for the stepmother, which kills her, and the bird turning into the child who had been murdered.
I have said this before, but I think old fairy tales spread all over Europe with different versions taking hold in different areas, various parts popping up here and there, and we get a tale that sounds like the start of Snow White, or other tales with parts of Greco-Roman myth, or sharing plot points with Cinderella.
Dear john, you know that stories "travel" in particular ways sometimes... Analysing eastern-medieval (byzantine) texts taught me that some numbers appear in a symbolic and non-realistic way. One of these numbers is number 7 which, if im not mistaken, has a broader use beyond the Byzantine empire (that i know a few things off). Sooo, maybe that could be one explanation, that 7 is not the age of the girl in the tale but it may have a symbolic meaning that the people who heard the stories knew. And if the story is found written probably the writer wanted to maintain some basic traditional forms. what do you think?
I've read this one too, but I forgot about the corset part. I just remembered the poison comb and her coughing up the apple chunk and those good ole iron shoes.
It was beautiful. I love the originals. Also, I love your voice.
WHO WOULD KISS A RANDOM CORPSE THEY FOUND IN A CABIN IN THE WOODS?!
... Edit: is snow white still 7 at the time? Oh, he agrees xD.
I’m guessing she was a couple years older (9 or 10)... but still
Creepy. .. i will stand my ground if im a disney princess because the men undermine women all the time
At least in this version, the apple slips out of her throat bringing her back to life.
She's 12, actually.
I remember watching a version starring The Three Stooges and in that the Prince didn't even kiss Snow White. He just took her in his arms and pleads for her to come back to life. She does. Then they lived happily ever after.
I just watched the anime adaptation from Grimm's Fairytale Classics, and it stays very true to the original story. It's my favorite version overall.
I've seen other shows that describe Snow White's origins, some of the things included in those were that the queen also wanted a vial of snow whites blood to add to her wine and drink, and she wanted the vial to be corked with Snow Whites pinky, so the huntsman really does cut her pinky off, but then he lets her go. another thing included was that Snow White slept for 5 years, aging the entire time (which the dwarves apparently thought was normal), meaning when the prince saw her she was 12, and in those days it wasn't uncommon for girls that young to get married.
Hey Jon! This video did not appear in my suscritions feed ! I thought that problem was solved..
I already knew parts of the original story, but I love how you explain them. It makes it feel less disturbing and more amusing. XD
We were reading fairytales in literature class last year, and my group was designated Snow White. Having heard how messed up other fairytales are, I was disappointed, only to find Snow White was even more messed up!
Actually, in the original folk story, the evil step-mother was her real mother. This was changed since it was supposed to be for children and having your birth mother try to kill you is really harsh. Actually most stories that have step mothers, are actually trying to just hide the fact that it was there birth mother. It’s pretty messed up.
Just found out I got two fairy tales mixed up. I thought the dancing in hot slippers happened in Cinderella, along with the eye pecking the sisters got. Interesting story.
My friend was just telling me that she studied that the dwarves were an analogy for children working in mines, and Snow White also being a kid just wanted to play with them. Maybe it was sort of a story to tell children that even if their step mother was a narcissist, their life could always be worse. 🤣🤣🤣 (sorry if my dark humor offended anyone, I’m just trying to lighten the mood while sharing the information)
Some of the older versions explain the aging, "Being like dad but alive and aging" Sometimes she's with the Dwarves, dragons, or thieves for seven or more years.
Also the Brother's Grimm was the first version with the villain being her step mother. Most versions had her as her actual mother. Some a jealous aunt or sister, who was her guardian after her parent's death.
You should do sleeping beauty next!
Ram Baby I hear that one is pretty fucked up.
Ram Baby Yes and @Jon Solo can u please include the 2nd half of the tale. You know, the one with the Prince's mother, the Ogress Queen Mother?
NO
Sharon Inks YES
YAAAASSS SLEEPING BEAUTYYYYYYY
I'm glad they kept the ending, where the wicked witch stepmother had to put on a heated up iron slippers and dance until she died, out. That entire part makes Snow White and the Prince seem a little sadistic.
I heard a story of Snow White, but she had a sister in this story called Red Rose, it's honestly very different, but you should give it a read!
It's funny to find out that I grew up with the OG story of snowwhite. As a child I never thought that this is disturbing, looking back it's crazy but I still feel nostalgic xD
Snow White is assumed to be the same age from death to when she awakens if not a year apart. As for the lacing the two main interpretations are corset lacing which would kill many wealthy young women in that time or the proper lacing of a neck-lace that would be used to convey one’s innocence. These are just the common assumptions made by schools and literature majors. As for the dancing till she died, no teacher or student I’ve ever met has been able to explain that. Odd.
I've never had an issue understanding why the red-hot slippers would force the Queen to dance to death; it's surprising that so many people are expressing confusion about it. Obviously iron shoes heated over a fire would be incredibly painful to wear and so it makes sense that the Queen would instinctively keep moving her feet in an effort to get them off (similar to when you're at the beach during the summer and you step on hot sand, you want to keep lifting your feet to avoid the burn). The Queen moving in such a panicked way probably looked like dancing and I think she most likely died of exhaustion from not being able to stop.
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Maybe the wounds from the burns got infections and she died from it?
When some people get into car accidents to then be taken to the hospital by ambulance but on their way die on arrive. It is said to be death by pain. She probably die by pain from the red iron hot slippers.
Lillian Patter There is another tale about people dancing until death(Forgot the name). I think it was a form of punishment that has happend in real life in those times. You can always ask Google! 😊
#ImaBeWaitingOnYouAtTheDoe i think i see which tale you're talking about. In Britany there is a field of dolmens and many fairy tales about it. I don't know their names but I heard one that said that druids (and random people) came to pray around those giant stones during the day. But at nights little korrigans would haunt these places, and make bonfire, music and dance arround the stones.
If a human spotted the lights and decided to sneak on them to spy them, the korrigans would catch him and force him to dance with them all night around the stones until he dies from exaustion and we'd find his dead body in the field in the morning.
As a kid i remember thinking bitch please i never get tired of dancing the korrigans can just try me x)! Was that the tale you were thinking about?
The Grimm Brothers changed their original draft of this story because of several reasons:
1.) original draft was a lot darker, with evil Queen actually being Snow White's birth mother, not the evil step-mother.
2.) they made the change from mother to step-mother because they thought a mother wanting their own daughter dead was way to dark & that the story would be a lot more believable if the evil Queen was the step-mother, rather than the mother of Snow White.
Sorry to correct you on this particular historical fact regarding the story of Snow White; but I agree with the Grimm Brothers about the original draft having been way too dark & can see why they thought a mother wanting to kill her child out of jealousy was so heinous that they changed the story to be a jealous step-mother...though step-mother s have been unfairly much maligned historically.
So the reasons Disney changed the state of the dwarves house from super clean to super messy was to better establish the Dwarves' need to keep Snow White around. I mean if your a family of neat freak, germaphobe perfectionists, would you really trust a complete stranger who's been pampered her whole life to keep your house spotless and germ free???
In my youth, Mom took me to see Snow White & the 7 Dwarfs and I loved it.(I was only 3 1/2 years old.)The story has many versions,as I found out later.
In Serbia there isn't the film from Disney there is in animation of the real story ...FOR KIDS
Rlly? Where do you live I wanna be there
You'know after this whole pandemic thing...
Oh so the dwarfs just happened to have a life size cofen laying around 😐
*'life size'*
Some short people are not gonna be happy about that one...
Guys, just think about it… from Snow White’s POV, the entire story makes sense. She bit into the “wishing apple” wishing to be with the man she loves and live happily ever after. She’s poisoned and killed but wakes up to the man she loves and lives happily ever after… crazy…
I Love The Original Story, I’m A Dark Child...
Your'e not alone
Spooky/Nutmeg/OaklyTrix/ Rosewing/Apple you put the apostrophe on the wrong place,It's you're
Me toooo!!!!!! 😄😄😄😄😄
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same
There's a version called The Story of Snow White and it's live action and musical where the evil queen bought the lace, comb and apple to Snow White. When they tripped on the tree stump, the apple flew and hit the evil queen. At the wedding she slowly started to fall apart.
Looking glass looking glass on the wall whos the fairest of them all.
Hey Jon! I just discovered your channel and I looove your messed up origins series! Keep up the good work!!!
Personally I love the new channel banner
I don't know how much time is supposed to have passed while she was in the glass coffin but you'd think that if she somehow aged and grew from a seven-year-old child into a young woman whilst supposedly "dead", the dwarfs would have noticed and thought, "hmmm, maybe she's really alive after all".
"she's wakened by true loves kiss, and she maaries a prince.
so she wins."
I love all the original brother Grimm stories!
That shirt is stunning on you; it complements your eyes perfectly you should definitely wear it more it's your esthetic~ 😙💙
I literally got into a fight with a friend because I was talking to a different friend about the Grimm's Snow White, and the other friend butted in and started fighting with me about it not knowing that Disney didn't write the story. I also read this story for a thing in 8th grade where we had to stand in front of the class and read as much of a long story as we could in 3-5 minutes.
0-0 she got married at 7?!?! THE BROTHERS GRIMM LOGIC XD
WEll its best to keep note these stories take place during medieval times society worked differently and was probably common to see young girls getting married off since life expectancy was low during that time
@@Rammkommando some people in Middle Eastern countries, even today, marry very young girls less than 10 years old, even today.
it doesn't matter how much I hear the original fairy tale of Disney, I still love them.
My 3RD grade teacher used to read the brothers grims stories, I hate Disney now...
I wanna add just one thing. The Evil Queen tricks Snow White into eating the apple by poisoning only one side of it and eating the other half herself, so Snow White sees, the apple isn't dangerous.
Random maybe 25 year old guy: "Will you marry me?"
7 Year old girl: "Yes!"
Me: OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NORMAL, Y'KNOW YOUR EVERYDAY ROUTINE. LIKE DUHHH LIKE OH, EM, GEE, LIKE WHY DO YOU THINK ITS LIKE WEIRD LIKE. xDxDxD
He is not 25 you idiot they are probably the same age.... Snow white was 13 when she woke up
@@chrisp.9385 Calm down she's not an idiot they don't say his age...don't be rude
Snow White was thirteen when she woke up (And she was 14 in the disney version) The prince was about 14-16 in both versions, so he wasn't a pedo.
Ok but you like anime and anime is pedophilia and Nasty like that to so...
This was cringy as fuck.
This channel has come so far but I love watching the old Disney videos!!
How the heck is a seven year old getting married, with a guy she doesn't even know?
I’m from Austria and when I was a kid I saw movies with real actors telling the original version of the Grimm fairy tales...don’t know why I’m not scarred for life
The lace was a necklace
5:40 It could have been as much as *7 years* before the Queen consulted her mirror again...
Gosh a seven year old agrees to marry a prince with unknown age and just wow
Logic here.
I read somewhere that in the older story of Snow White it’s not her step mother but her actual mother who wants her dead, and that they changed it because it was too dark.
The creepest thing about Humpdy Dumpdy is that they never said he was an egg
Sorry for spelling
*mind is blown*
I really like your videos Jon. Your videos open up another door to all these movie theories and shows me a different side to all the childhood stories that I've grown up knowing. I can't wait for more videos :D
Left turn or LAUGH turn
lol
Prince saw a pretty girl
Didn't care she was around 10
Married her
Had around 12 children
Dies from being stabbed in the gut (Prince)
Yes it is all true
As I understood things, women around the time period Snow White was written were married off pretty much as son as their first period kicked in. Even though no time was mentioned to have passed, if snow white was 7 when she was first in the story, a normal assumption of time passage between all the attempts to kill her from the Queen might have made her more like 10, 12 or even 14. And if she was 14 then back then....yup she is ripe for the picking (I don't condone it, but that was the style at the time.)
Depending on how much time had passed since she started staying with the dwarves, it’s not THAT surprising. Back then, being married by the time you’re 13 was pretty common, especially for nobility. And age differences weren’t a concern to them. They actually thought it was ‘the younger the better’ because that gave them more time to give sons.
I heard somewhere that in the original story the queen was Show White's real mother. Disney made it her stepmother because the idea of a queen being jealous of her own daughter would not sit well with the viewers
Q: In the Disney film why was the 7 dwarfs cottage so messy?
A: So the song 'whistle while you work' could be used in the film.
As a german, that's a pretty normal story for me. We even had it (in this version) on tape. Just that lung and liver where the heart and the bear cub a deer.
what is wrong with the brothers Grimm minds
They are very.......
"GRIMM"
HAHA LOL HAHA LOL HA
That's why they are called "Grim."
Nothing, actually. The Grimms brothers, if I’m correct, didn’t actually write the fairytales, instead they compiled and edited folktales from different cultures around them, so these tales were originally probably oral tales handed down the generations, and they were some of the first to write them down.
I like watching ur video and already knowing the messed up versions knowing what i have more knowledge than some of the people watching it, satisfying
You’re should do sleeping beauty........it’s really MESS UP
DON'T, it almost ruined my view of it.
I've seen a couple of these messed up origin clips so far and all I take from each story is that maybe all those situations weren't true but the society that alot of these princess stories were based on were true. I'm so glad I live in this time period and I assume and hope that generations after us will be in an even better thinking society.
How about Snow Queen? It's the origin of Frozen
Twinkle Boqueo Yeah, but it's not an adaptation though. The book and the movie have nothing in common with the plot. The only thing they have in common is the existance of a 'Snow Queen'.
You do an excellent job explaining the orgin story, but I have to say i really love your outro!
*Sighhh*
There is snow outside my house and if a person's skin was that white i think i would shove them in a room to not be seen
That's now. Back then having unnaturally pale skin was considered beautiful, at least in European civilizations. That was because darker skin was a sign of being lower class since all the peasants had to go out in the sun and actually WORK for a living while the wealthy and nobility sat around inside being waited on all day.
white skin is beautiful until the veins and spots beging to appear.
your profile bear is snow white and cute
Prince to Snow White: WILL YOU BE MY SNOW *WIFE* ?
I've acted in one of the plays done for this. I was Snow whites father, Braeburn, and Bliss. Im a fan of this story a bunch.
5:00 my favorite part is there too
I've heard this version before but I also heard another one where the Prince rapes snow white and the only was she wakes up is with the birth of her twins
My bad, that other version I mentioned was from sleeping beauty
i was about to say that's Aurora 😂
That's Sleeping Beauty
These are great. You're amazing.
I was told that the queen was not evil in the beginning. She was quite normal until she found out that her husband, the king, was more interested in her daughter than herself and so she decided to have her killed.
I also heard that the prince actually cared for her for years before she woke up.
I don’t know if that’s true though.
I was reading that fairly recently in a house in Germany, 500 previously unknown fairy tales were found.
Yes, but many of them are variations of stories already known. The brothers Grimm did not merely create a collection of stories. They catalogued them according to their motivs and everything.