This pro is the official GOAT of Rocket League
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- I think M0nkeyM00n is the new GOAT of Rocket League. What about you?
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Also good to point out MM roster changes and despite everything he is always on top. Always had a different roster when entering worlds each season.
Tbh that is a neutral point. If your the goat it shouldn't matter what teammates you have (as long as they are good) so you could see it as monkeymoon staying on top or you could see it as I think it is more accurate to see it as bds consistently finding the top talent. Monkey moon wasn't the best on the team this year and he actually probably made the most mistakes out of all of 3 players at worlds this season.
@@kickstart3974 you definitely sound like a 2024 fan. Monkeym00n has been by far the best player in his team at EVERY event for 4 years except 2024 worlds. Even then it's arguable. I'll agree that he wasn't the best however only because at every other event he was overwhelmingly the best. Monkeym00n is known for his speed and control in the midfield. There's a reason NA or MENA or SAM hates BDS and their playstyle.... It's Monkeym00n. He created the whole style of controling aerials in midfield and challenging low when possible. But other teams can't do it because they are not disciplined, fast enough and can't position well enough. Go cheer for Dark because he quad resets and can pogo consistently. That's your thing. But it doesn't win championships.
@@baraenbojassen6611I agree with this 100% different teammates but the m00n man sets the pace and style with his midfield presence.
@@baraenbojassen6611 the fact is bds hadn't even gone to a lan final all season until those 2 outplayed him. Obviously monkeymoon wasn't the x factor you all seem to think he is
@@fabreasy304 then why didn't they make any lan grand finals this season until the two weeks of ewc and worlds?
MonkeyMoon is the new GOAT! Been saying it since i saw him play in RLCSX. Amazing gameplay all the time!
Nah, Turbo the GOAT. If MM wins 1 more then i'll agree
One more worlds? or one more RLCS lan? Cause for me it's Kaydop very closely followed by MM then closely followed by Turbo. If MM wins one more major I think that does it for me as a major is still way more difficult to win then any tourney in the closed era (obviously not Kaydop or Turbo's fault, just is what it is).
Is 4 more than 2? End of discussion.
@@peterolofsson9871 yeah i m sure winning in 2017 when all the pro players had shit defense is harder than now, 12 year old
Turbo and kaydop were playing against janitors. Monkey has been playing in THE most competitive rocket league eco system that we’ve ever seen and still continues to not only keep up since rlcs x but stay at the absolute top with different rosters. He is the goat. It is very close though imo
lol classic MJ vs LeBron logic for the people who can’t think
@@deftys you could literally make that argument for any current player, that's not how it works, it was still impressive at the time, doesn't matter if defense was worse back then or if defense is better now adays, it's about the achievements
@@deftys its a goat debate not a whos best debate. Otherwise exotiik is the goat as he was just clear MVP of the most talented tournament ever
Just imagine his status if he makes next Finals again at least, 4 open era worlds finals would be insane!!!
MM is 100% the Goat.
Right after BDS beat G2 (😓), I said Monkey M00n is the GOAT. What Turbo and Kaydop have done is incredible, but this dude is still flexing on all of us in Rocket League's most grueling system and chances are he does it again next year. No matter how many ups and downs BDS goes through, they still somehow come out on top. Monkey M00n is the greatest of all time.
BDS have been no less than 2nd, both in EU and abroad, since the Open Era began.
RLCS X Championships - 2nd VS Vitality - 0-2 (0-4, 2-4)
RLCS 2021-22 - 1st VS G2 - 4-1
RLCS 2022-23 - 2nd VS Vitality - 0-4
RLCS 2024 - 1st VS G2 - 4-2
That level of performance across FOUR YEARS automatically makes Monkey Moon the greatest player of all time just because of the fact that even though Turbo has more titles than him, MM had to do it in the most competitive version of the league EVER, and he did it not once, but TWICE, and came 2nd both other times. That is the ULTIMATE consistency.
@@melodyofthelexicon there are more LANs than just the world championship and given how similar worlds was this season to any Lan I would say it's it's less important now
@@kickstart3974 @kickstart3974 @kickstart3974 you keep saying plenty of people. Name them then. Not some little NRG fan girls like yourself, anyone who's opinion in rocket league holds any merit.
If you're seriously about to try and play the sick card then wise up, that is the most ridiculous excuse I have ever heard 😂😂 the first series was a 4-1 destruction. The second series was 4-3. 8-4 in games. Destruction.
The fact you think NRG were on BDS level is laughable. The fact you think that team could have held a candle to BDS at any point during COVID is laughable. Your absolute devotion and fanboyism of NRG is laughable. Your clown takes under every rocket league post for the past year have been hilarious and if Europe beats NA again next year no doubt you'll be back with more excuses as to why that happened
Have to agree. MM is the GOAT. For me, the fact it takes a lot more work to even make Majors now, and the level of competition at a Major is same as the old WC, so I would equate a win basically the same.
With that, MM has a Major win, 2 Worlds wins in the format, and the general dominant performance he has, and how much more he's had to play and level up, it can't be anyone else.
Nah a major is more like a dreamhack, we can't bend what a major is, it's important no doubt, like dreamhack was. The world championship is the world championship regardless of how hard it is to make a major.
@@Bolts17 a major is definitely more important than a dreamhack
@@Bolts17 1 world championship today is like 2 world championships before open era
@@pingwinner_ it really isnt. In the old format there were less teams sure, but nonetheless in the first 6 seasons you had 2 lives and you were done. In this format you have at a minimum 3 and if you make top 8 then you even had an extra life until top 4 if you did well in swiss. It's not a good comparison. I think winning worlds period is winning worlds whether it's now or back then
I disagree in rlcs x squishy garret and jstn other contenders for the greatest of all time probably would have won a major or two or even a world championship and if you add that to their previous accomplishments monkeyoon doesn't separate himself very much. He doesn't really do so now either atomic has 2 major wins to monkey moons 3. I agree that in terms of accolades monkey moon is probably the goat of the open era. But in terms of skill, I can't agree. Monkey moon was very inconsistent this season and at worlds and if it wasn't for exotic that team wouldn't have won. Monkeymoon didn't not do anything to contribute but he definitely wasn't the best on the team this season and bds as a whole wasn't very good until the big dumb 3 month break that we had.
Been a fan of bds since they started out in siege and watched rlcs cloud 9 win to now so when bds joined was really happy to see my org in my two favourite games and was happy with any placement they got but to do what they did especially monkey who I believe in a year or two will be considered goat by all is incredible
Idk if you noticed but monkey moon has fallen off. He was still good enough to hang in there but if he didn't have exotic on his team bds and monkey moon don't win another world's. Monkey moon is getting way too much credit for bds' win
@@kickstart3974 no. M0nkey has a play style. He’s never been flashy. He dominates midfield and lets his teammates shine. With marc and extra, Marc created chaos with his unpredictability while extra was their sniper. With extra and siekoo, extra was still a sniper but Siekoo was the guy on the ball being a mechy menace. Now with exotic and Drali, exotic is sniping Drali is mechy menace. All three rosters m0nkey controls midfield and has always been more defensive and so good on little or no boost.
@@fabreasy304 see I thought people compared him to Justin so correct me if I'm wrong but i figured that their playstyles would be similar
@@fabreasy304 One of the craziest things? Is MM plays with like a 0.03 deadzone and a 3+ sensitivity.
Breathing in the direction of your sticks would basically change your inputs at those settings lol
That's absolutely bonkers.
@@SpookyGuyRL I use the same dead zone. When my controllers don’t have stick drift. But the sensitivity I can’t do. I tried. 😂
MM > kaydop (heavy influence on french scene and big RLCSX win) > turbo
3-time LAN winner in the open era
No, still Turbo for me. MM maybe became 2nd over Kaydop for me, not sure yet.
In RLCS X they for sure won a lot of Regionals, but that were all online Regionals. Even if Psyonix called them Majors, they still were online Regionals. We'll never know how they would have end on a real LAN, against Turbo's Envy, against NRG, etc. And even so, BDS lost the final one to Kaydop.
Season 2021-22, sure, was great, a Major and Worlds, no question. Although the last place at the Spring Major also happened in 2022.
Season 2022-23 was saved by Rise. After the first 2 splits BDS were 9th and missed both Majors. Then Rise came in and saved the season, without him BDS wouldn't have been at Worlds at all, let alone final.
At the beginning of 2024 season BDS were also considered as only "EU top 4". Before Qualifier 5, most people thought that if Oxygen could catch anyone and steal the 4th Worlds spot, it would be BDS. Then, yes, the end of the season was great, 2 Regionals, EWC and Worlds. The fun fact that before winning the 5th Qualifier, BDS hadn't won a single RLCS event (neither LAN nor online) since Worlds 2022, so for 21 months.
In total, Turbo won 4 out of 8 RLCS LANs in that era, MM has only won 3 out of 11 in the Open Era so far. And it's not Turbo's fault that seasons were shorter, you have the format - you play it. In fact, less series in a season means they are much more important. Failing to qualify, like KC did in 5th Regional would mean you are out of the game for half a year in older seasons. But now they reached Worlds semifinals. BDS themselves were 9th after 2/3 of the season 2022-23. Then roster change (also couldn't happen before) - and they made Worlds finals. Don't underestimate older seasons, fewer series doesn't mean you can win Worlds like it's nothing.
@@rubanul by that Rise logic we should devalue Turbo's achievements because he had Kaydop and jstn on his team. Dignitas couldn't even make worlds without kaydop. Turbo got carried, monkeymoon IS the carry.
@@Bucko99 How I love the "Turbo was carried" argument. Sure, Turbo was carried firstly by Deevo and Remkoe to his first Worlds, then Kaydop carried him to 2 more. Then Kaydop left, but Yukeo joined and carried him to win Dreamhack. CorruptedG and Klassux, who were relegated from NA RLCS, still somehow carried him to beat NRG at the next Dreamhack. Then he joined NRG and was carried by jstn to win 4th Worlds. Then Atomic and mist carried him to win 4 NA Regionals in RLCS X. Turbo is so lucky that he always found someone to carry him for 5 years straight. \s
Seriously speaking - if Kaydop carried Turbo, how did he have never beat him in a LAN head-to-head? How could jstn and GarrettG not win Worlds without Turbo and immediately win with him? Why did Deevo and Remkoe without Turbo drop to Relegation tournament right after winning Worlds?
Now about Dignitas. Yes, Dignitas failed to make Worlds in Season 7. But:
1) that roster still won an international LAN (Dreamhack), beating "carry" Kaydop in finals
2) That was the only RLCS final Turbo missed in 3 years. Which everyone seems to forget when they something like "Kaydop had 6 finals in a row". Yeah, and Turbo was in 5 of them as well: 3 times teamed with Kaydop and 2 times beating Kaydop
3) They didn't have an option to make a roster change mid-season if something went wrong and make Worlds finals. Let's be real, MM wouldn't have made Worlds in 2023 without Rise. Their best result in Regionals was top 8 within half a year. He wouldn't made finals and no one would have made a video "MM made 3 Worlds finals in a row, is he a GOAT?". Once again, MM couldn't win a single tournament in 21 months, how can he be "the carry"?
Hes definitely top 3, can't argue that.
yeah and he’s not third or second😭
@@xkevinsanex or first lol
@@Bolts17 who’s first then
Same argument as MJ vs Bill Russell. Sure, Turbo/Bill won more championships, but compared to modern standards, they were essentially just winning Majors/Conference Championships before every region was even represented to the level they are today: the RLCS was still being developed. The level of comp is also incomparable. In the era with the most parity, with the best players, and with the most regions competing, MM has been dominating. There is also no other name that comes close like there was in the Turbo vs Kaydop days.
As an aside, this is like when people say UCLA was the greatest NCAA basketball team of all time when they were winning their chips before the 64 team format when those old formats also had BYEs. They won as many games as it takes to make the Sweet 16 now. It's just incomparable to the modern day. Gotta have context in these discussions.
From a pure player standpoint, undoubtedly MM is the GOAT.
Factoring in all the other intangibles? It's undoubtedly Squishy.
The most important & influential player in RL history.
Had arguably the greatest run to a World Championship, through the lower bracket, we'll never see something like that again.
Ended the Dynasty of Turbo, as under dogs.
And arguably was the personification of the shift towards a new era of more mechanically inclined play.
Has not only a shot, but a save named after him.
Hell, Sportsnet did a short special on the man.
He's still one of the most watched pro's content wise, despite being retired(?)
There will never be a player more important to RL as a whole as Squishy.
He’s definitely not the “official goat” of rocket league 🤣. You’re literally bringing up all these 1st and 2nds in online regionals like just stop dude
For me a major in the open era is equal to an old school world championship. I also have events like ELEAGUE and EWC on a similar level because of the insane prize pools and the high level 3s competition. And then an open era world championship is equal to 2 old era world championships since there is only 1 per year now and the build up to it is insane. The prize pool is also massive.
One thing the old era had as an advantage was the amount of non RLCS tournaments that still hold some weight in a GOAT conversation. Examples are Dreamhacks, ELEAGUE, WSOE, X Games, the list goes on. The open era's advantage is that they have more RLCS lans in a calendar year. Overall I think it balances out well in this conversation, because the old era had more lan tournaments but they were not as big or as impactful. The open era has less tournaments, but they are a lot bigger. That helps me compare the old era to the open era a lot and with that I agree that Monkey Moon is the GOAT of RL. I still think you can argue for Turbo or Kaydop though. All 3 of them are in the same tier
My goat is turbo, however i hugely respect MM and is definitely my #2 pick, but to be a sub for a major team and make an impact wherever he went, of course helped NRG FINALLY take their W in worlds, he was THE influential player, the difference maker, however anymore major wins or worlds and I'd happily put monkey #1
Part of me suspects that *some* of the pushback to giving MM his GOAT flowers is a response to one of the stereotypical American gamer responses to losing: "Well I guess they're just the best player ever". It's possible that some people are more interested in dunking on NA instead of appreciating excellence. And it's like I get it, I'm an NA hater, I'm so sick of the hyper-individualistic superstar thing our players tend to go for and I wish we adopted EU's team-based attitude towards things instead. But the facts speak for themselves, Monkeymoon is the greatest 3s player we've ever seen, with the absolute highest level of gamesense and positioning. There's no shame in losing to a player that is practically psychic.
Im not sure if its a nostalgia thing.. but my investment in Rocket League was during the early days.. so thinking there’s a different goat other than Turbo or Kaydop feels wrong.. but its undeniable monkey M00n can be in this conversation.
I don’t think people are putting enough respect on the majors. They are basically worlds of the beginning with a different name.
Personally, I don't see how you can be the Greatest of all Time if you've never even been the greatest at any single given time, but to each their own I guess.
Top 5 in no order realistically are Turbo Kaydop MonkeyMoon Squishy and Violent Panda, which if you include other tournaments besides rlcs like dreamhacks and ewc my top 2 are Squishy and MonkeyMoon
I'm sure U love squishy for Ur own reasons but realistically he's not in the conversation
@@niall1257 he certainly is in the conversation just as jstn and garret and turbo and kaydop are. They all won several LANs and at least 1 world championship. Monkeymoon has won 3 rlcs lans in his career at the present moment that's less than turbo and either tied or less than the others. Monkeymoon has been a staple of the open era but he also has not dominated it either and this season he wasn't wasn't the best on his team. Especially at worlds. We are giving monkey moon. Way too much credit for what was essentially exotic saving the team on multiple occasions
@@kickstart3974 U mean to tell me that at no point during the open era, has Monkey Moon dominated?
@@niall1257 didn't say that he dominated in 2021-22 at times (fall and worlds) but since then he has been a shell of himself and really without his teammates he doesn't come close to a grand final in that time
@@kickstart3974 Apologies if I misunderstood Ur point, but I would take "he also has not dominated it either" to mean that he (Monkey Moon) has not been dominant during the open era
I remember when I was a Vitality fan in RLCS X and they went up against BDS😂 I knew the result every time. Since then you could tell they'd probably win eventually and here Monkey is with 2 under his belt. My goat
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RLCS season 1 was just as hard to win as this one, people had the same overall level of play, just like nowadays pros are on a similar level of play. Prople that are undermining Turbo's 4 WCs have 1.5 braincells, not even enough to rub them together and understand a basic concept 🙄
Nah man. RL is so much more complex than it was when Turbo reigned.
From an IQ, game plan, understanding, coaching level? Mechanics aside from the different eras?
It's not even close.
Yes. MM is the goat in my mind, it is fairly close, but what Kaydop and Turbo achieved was less impressive.
Htf is 3 and 4 rings less impressive? Kaydop also did it with different rosters and different orgs but ok. Glaze mm more
Preach!
I still think Kaydop is on top of MM. K has made more RLCS grandfinals and has more first places (even if you count open era x2).
Can't argue with any of that. MM is undeniably the GOAT.
Monkey Moon entered the discussion, but that's about it, he's not the goat atm, if he wins another world title then we're talking, not simply about the amount of championships, but s tier lans in general like dreamhacks or majors or so.
he did also just win ewc like 2 weeks before this years worlds. thats still an s tier event they won another 200k there I believe. plus lets no lie hes going to be the first player to have a million in earnings which has to count for something.
@@regansimpson3196 but ewc has an asterisk g2 was not playing with beast mode. And like it or not that made a difference. Bds might not win if beast mode goes to ewc
@@kickstart3974 i mean sure your can speculate that sure but bds beat g2 with bmo in the top 6 and in the top 2 so does it really matter? We all know rl is getting more competitive and any top 8 team can make a winning run
@@regansimpson3196 g2 should have won that first bo7. I know they didn't but g2 literally whiffing on the most free open net for 10 seconds is incredibly rare. G2 looked like the better team in that series and let's not forget that g2 beat bds in london
@@kickstart3974 Could have , would have , should have , all excuses . RL at the highest level is a game of margins and G2 lost TWICE , plain and simple . Whose fault it was that G2 was whiffing ? To a degree it was BDS putting them in awkward positions at times but it is also their own nerves , the game is also about nerves and who handles them the best just like any competition . You could make the same argument that Furia should have beaten G2 in the quarters but for the same reasons as you mentioned lost .
And comparing a major to the world championship is not the same , nobody thinks it is and it just flat out isn't . Majors are big but they are no world championships .
G2 was the better team overall in the entire season but they lost the worlds to the better team and couldn't handle the pressure when it mattered the most .
I feel that if he wins one more rlcs lan event then he’s the goat, because it would even the amount of lan wins with turbo.
To think he was only 19 when the goat stats started (I think)
Jstn was 15 when it started. People be forgetting that covid really kept Justin from rlcs 9 worlds and all the rlcs x LANs. It's It's actual shame so many people have swept Justin away when out of everyone he missed out on the most
@@kickstart3974 He can still play can't he ? But he isn't good enough anymore at the top level .
@@blabla-fw9ix sure he can but his peak level and best years were taken away (seasons 9 and 10). That does matter
@@blabla-fw9ix and he definitely is still good enough I can easily ee him at a major next season
He's not the goat. I think people are jumping on the band wagon way too quickly. BDS apparently other than the first real fall major of the open era only shows up for the world championship. And moreso, he was really only the leading player on their first win. This last win was much more exotic and drali with monkey moon playing incredibly inconsistently. In the open era he has a case to be the best of the open era. But he's not the definitive goat of the open era and he most certainly isn't the greatest of all time period. Monkey moon has not dominated rocket league for multiple seasons (a very necessary attribute to be considered the goat imo) his team hasn't dominated rocket league since 2021 (the only other way I think one could be considered the goat like turbo for instance) he isn't consistent at all. And he wasn't even the best on his team for the last year and a half. This was a team effort not a monkey moon effort.
It is hard to argue about being the goat of all-time, because you can't compare S1-S10 to the Open Era. I separate the two from each other. Old Seasons Goat imo is Kaydop, nearly behind him Turbo, but Open Era right now, you have to give it to monkey moon. Goat means the greatest player and who else should be it, other than him. It's not about being dominant the whole season, it's about results. Nobody give a shit about being on top the whole time, just to lose in or before the finals (KC and G2). Nobody is caring about winning one Major in the Season, when other teams win the World Championship.
GenG, KC, G2, Moist, GM8 all won Majors, but is that comparable to win a World Championship? (No obviously)
BDS have been there since the beginning of the Open Era and so was monkey moon. I doubt you, to watch RL (especially EU) closely enough to see, how much he does for the team and just because Dralii or Exotiik popped off, doesn't mean he was playing bad or inconsistent. It's not possible to get carried through this whole tournament, all 3 players have to be good.
1. Monkey Moon has 2 World Championship and one Major title (on top: being in all 3 Grand finals)
2. Seikoo, Alpha54, Radosin, Zen, Exotiik and Extra have a World Championship and a Major title
3. Dralii has a World Championship title
All others are not in the conversation yet, because they are not able to clutch up, when it matters most.
Being in 3 Grand finals in a row, with different team members is not only called a team effort. It is indeed a monkey moon effort, nobody can deny that.
PS: And like I saw on other comments: being not the most skilled player (mechanics), doesn't mean you are automatically out of the goat conversation. I didn't see Beastmode or Vatira winning a World Championship, so skill isn't all you have to bring to the table.
Thank you for replying to him, he just hates MM and can’t accept it. MM is the goat of the open era for sure, end of the conversation (even though he is not my fav player, I prefer almost any other french player tbh)
@@mavco4639 I would have agreed with you in world championships before but I just can't now. This season especially the world championship was pretty much just major 3. I dont see a worlds win this season as any more or less impressive or important than a LAN win. The same amount of teams and actually more lives than usual. It just doesn't stand out to me like it used to when it was just 2 lives and your out. The reason why exotic and drali matter here is because before they popped off at worlds they hadn't won or even went to a single lan final this season. It was because of his teammates monkeymoon is here right now in 2021-22 you can give a lot of it to mms performance but nowadays hes not the reason bds won and if anything the only reason they did win was because exotic and drali played well despite monkey moons inconsistency
@@1Soltis where have I said i hate monkey moon seems like your stretching a lot here. Just because I don't think he's the goat doesn't mean I hate him.
@@1Soltis and there is obviously discussion because even when turbo won the most during the former era there was still a lot of debate on who was the goat
12:56 😂
So, the only criteria for being the greatest Rocket League player of all time, according to some, is simply being on a threes team that's won the most RLCS World's titles? They don't have to do anything else, don't have to be great one's or two's players at all, but just be on a three's team that's won the most World's titles? Can't beat Zen, Daniel, RW9 at ones, or even BeastMode and Daniel in two's, but just be on a team that's won World's the most? Sorry, but that's just ridiculous. Being on a three's team that's won the most World titles does not make someone the greatest Rocket League player of all time, as that's pretty weak criteria, seeing they are just part of a team, and they did nothing by themself.
@@johnrambo9104 M0nkeyM00n is cracked at 2s lmao
or maybe ur talking about turbo or someone else, idk i might be dumb and/or misunderstanding
3’s is the only mode with official earnings and psynoix/epic/blast sanctioned tournaments. The GOAT title is given to the winningest player with the most impact in official games…. Similar to Tom Brady being the american football GOAT even though there are more skilled QBs to have played. MM has won worlds multiple times with completely different rosters in the open era… not much of an argument he is clearly the GOAT.
just curious, who do you think the goat is then?
I see your point but I don't fully agree. I don't think he's the Goat per say but he's pretty close for me. He's very consistent and that to me is a good measure for Goathood. Being able to play at a high level, with the highest stakes, and over a long period of time really shows what a player is capable of.
@@alexthesb2241 Cracked? He's ranked 9th in 2's right now, and 94th in one's. Zen, RW9 and NWPO are all ranked in top 10 of both one's and two's. Me thinks your criteria for calling someone the greatest of all time is pretty whacked! LMAO Yes, I think you are dumb alright, or just have no idea what actually being the greatest of all time should mean. NEXT