"Breath of the Wild: BEWARE the Malice!" Nintendo Black Crisis ruclips.net/video/oJwllSGUWvY/видео.html "How Tears of the Kingdom HACKS the Zelda Timeline" Wiz Catches Lightning ruclips.net/video/l8cvcQW0qoQ/видео.html Also here's an interesting article on Incarnation and Reincarnation relating to Demise: pocketseizure.tumblr.com/post/185641292619#:~:text=In%20Japanese%2C%20the%20effect%20of,at%20the%20goddess%20Hylia%2C%20who
Hi I love your theory I really do that's kind of what I'm trying to aim for in my fan show I'm working on it is called The Legend of Zelda the curse and the return of the spirit of demise
This theory actually works with the timeline spiral theory that means there is a pacific order to the games as well because by the time of the tears of the kingdom past hyrule could have been destroyed at least once.
I think this is a really interesting theory, but personally I don't think it was Demise, partially just because I feel like it's just more effective as a show of Ganondorf's strength to break it on his own rather than needing Demise's intervention to succeed. Re: Demise and reincarnation, yes, Ganondorf isn't directly a reincarnation of Demise, but just an incarnation of demonic hatred. It's even more clear in the Japanese where they outright say that he's placing a demon lord curse on Zelda's bloodline, and Link's spirit. Thirdly: if Ganondorf was a reincarnation, Demise *could* technically exist in the sword still, Japanese mythology has souls separated into Kokoro(heart, who you are as a person) and Tamashii(soul, the immortal essence of your being) and we see this split in Link in Twilight Princess. TP Link has the Tamashii of the Hero, but the Hero's Shade is OoT Link's Kokoro
Counterpoint: I've seen it be a thing in other Japanese media that that kind of seal needs to be tackled from both within and without at once in order to be broken; it _must_ be a joint effort. So the impressive show of strength would be that Ganondorf was powerful enough to actually contribute to that.
I really like this because - if there is any overarching plan to the Hero of the Wild games - the possibility that Demise has been freed from the sword now meets with the question of where the Triforce is. If they made a third game with this Hero, the elements are all there for a quest to recover the Triforce in order to deal with Demise.
Before watching I’m gonna predict that you say that since Demise is sealed in the Master Sword, Ganon’s gloom surrounding the sword allowed Demise to break it
Look at this dude coming out swinging with a great theory video first thing in the morning. Well done and a pretty interesting idea. If we don't see Demise make a return at some point after TotK, I'll be surprised. Keep up the good work!
I think it’s very possible that Demise escaped the master sword after Ganondorf destroyed it and is after the tri force. In a third game I could definitely see that being the story alongside traveling to 4 new kingdoms bordering hyrule with the twili or lomei as an advanced race with their technology being red in order to stop demise
Hi. Good shit! I’ve never thought of the “seals the darkness” that way before. If you take the “seals” and change it from the noun form of the word to the verb, then it changes from something the sword CAN do, to something that it IS doing.
We saw in Breath of the Wild that the Master Sword is tied to Link’s life. When he was on the verge of death in BOTW’s final memory, the sword was decayed. In Tears of the Kingdom, Rarru said that Link was on the verge of death and that he couldn’t save his right arm. So my theory that Ganondorf attacked Link to weaken him and his sword. From there, Ganondorf was able to shatter the sword.
The thing is that the Master Sword actually isnt completely tied to Link's Strength. In A Link to the Past you can give it to two weapon smiths who temper it and make it twice as sharp. They reshaped the Blade with their Hammers by heating it up. Breaking something is nothing else than changing its shape. The Master Sword is immune to magic, yet not immune to physics, so I think it is more likely that Ganondorf's Gloom caused this because Gloom is a Corrosive Substance in High Concentrations (you can read this in the Picture Description of Ganondorf in his Second Form)
I think it only got renamed in the English Version, the German for example still has the nick name from A Link to the Past "Bannschwert" (literal Translation: Banishing Sword) and this appeared everywhere the word Blade of Evil's Bane appeared in the English Version of Hyrule Warriors and A Link to the Past. I don't know about the Japanese, I need to do more Research about that
My personal thoughts/theory on the shattering of the Master Sword is that it was fully caused by Ganondorf & the power he got from the Secret Stone. But another thing to consider: The Master Sword in Tears of the Kingdom was missing enchantment measures. In Wind Waker, the Master Sword needed to be re-empowered by the Sages of Wind and Earth. By the time of Tears, the characters of the modern era are only finding out what a Sage is right then, meaning the role had fallen into near obscurity. So no Sages or Priests/Priestesses to empower the Master Sword. To me, it's very likely that lack of enchantment is the reason the Master Sword got damaged and broken in Breath & Tears. Sure Zelda bathed it in Holy power, but that's more of a "quick" patch job, even if it (apperantly) gained the power to never break again when fighting Ganons specifically.
@@chaos4654 The Wind waker Master sword is not the same sword so its limitations do not apply hear as for how Ganon could break the Master sword Questwithaaron did a video on that.
Didn't the Japanese version say demise's mind was slowly dying In the master sword or something? Which means at this point in the timeline he's completely erased from existence?
The English version also says pretty much the same thing, with his last remnants slowly decaying inside the sword. People just don’t pay attention to dialogue.
I’ve noticed that the Malice/Gloom keeps getting more red as time goes on. In Skyward Sword, the Tainted Water and Koloktos have a purple color. In BoTW, the Malice is pinkish-red in color. Now in ToTK, it’s almost always a dark or light red color. Does this mean anything or am I looking into something that’s not there?
Thematically, red is associated with power in the Zelda series, ie the Triforce of Power. The Malice and Gloom gradually changing from a more pale, pink/purple color to the red we se in _Tears of the Kingdom_ could be a hint that as time has passed, Demise and/or his incarnations of his hatred and malice are getting stronger and more powerful over time! And as I think about it, it makes sense......Tens of thousands of years have passed since Demise first laid his curse on Link, Zelda and their bloodlines, and in many cultures, beliefs and superstitions, a curse like the one he cast......one cast out of malice and hate.....grow stronger over time. Which would also mean that the incarnations of his hatred and malice would grow stronger over time as well! I have no doubt in my mind that Demise laid that curse, not only with the intention to plague their bloodlines with wave after wave of monsters and incarnations of his malice as payback for his loss, but with the intent to eventually create one strong enough to wipe them out!
Personally I'm not convinced, but I do really like the theory overall and I like that you're asking new questions. Yes we all want to know where the timeline has TotK officially, but I feel like that has really taken a hold of every Zelda theorist channel.
I am also not really convinced. The Description of The Picture from Ganondorf in his Second Form says that his Gloom is so strong that it became a Corrosive Substance that decomposes away all of Link's Equipment when it gets hit by that (with the repaired Master Sword being the only exception) and even erodes Link's Body bit by bit depending on how many Heart Containers he has. It is basically Acid Corrosion that caused the Sword to break, since the Master Sword is immune to any type of Dark Magig, even the Magic of the Full Triforce, however it is still bound to the laws of Physics as even proven in A Link to the Past where you can give it to two Dwarf Smiths to make the Master Sword's Edges Sharper, this proves that the Sword can be reshaped and Therefore it could theoretically also be destroyed, it was only a matter of Time when this would happen
Amazing theory. I said this too a while back on a discord chat only for a couple of kids to laugh at this theory. I also went a step further and said Demise's Hatred might also be the root cause of some other undead creatures unable to rest in peace. Poes, Redeads, Gibdos, ect. It's also the reason why I believe that Demise's Curse can host in several different bodies. Meaning that more than one Ganondorf can exist potentially. Because Ganondorf inherited a concept, and said concept has none of the jurisdictions Link and Zelda have.
All enemies are part of the same tribe as demise.... the demon tribe. This is stated in Skyward sword also. So they'd be alive with or without demise really.
Perfect comedic timing using Dr Evil doing his air quotes. I love this theory, and it could lead to a threequel where botw/totk Link and Zelda face off against Demise himself. Considering how fun the fight was in skyward sword, fighting Demise with botws combat system would be epic. it could also mean the return of Ghirahim who would also be a epic boss fight(s). I would love to see that in a possible threequel
Wait, hear me out. Do you think Nintendo is setting up the anti-triforce? Malice, gloom and one other unrevealed force are somehow the antithesis of Courage, Wisdom, and Power, and the three goddesses’ roles/influences in the creation of Hyrule? Would that be connected to why we have the 3 Dark Dragon skeletons in the underground, and even why that ritual became forbidden? Could they also be setting up for the return of Demise and Ghirahim as the revived champions for Hylia’s antithesis? Tons of conjecture, I know. Thanks for all the awesome vids you’ve posted. My gears are going to be spinning for days now.
If they actually went for something like that... that would be interesting. And they could definitely do that, giving us something different but still have it connect to things from the entire series
Before I watch Here’s my thoughts Demise is in it decaying the sword an internal fight between him and Fi simple as that. I see demise coming back seeing what Nintendo has done, within that few days of the master sword being broken he was set free. Because it took link a while to send that sword back in time. All those thousands of years countless eras of weakening and weakening that sword to the point were almost every game we had to power it back up. I so want Nintendo to build on bringing Demise back. Dude was like a lagit villain that got like 10 minutes of screen time. Nah bring demise back don’t even have to explain it just bring him back and let him reck
Your theory about Demise’s spirit still being alive and Ganondorf being his incarnation is super solid, plus it’s backed up by the actual concept behind reincarnation. It’s not that beings directly reincarnate into multiple forms, but that all beings are themselves incarnations of the divine oneness that is the Universe. But in rare cases an individual embodies certain qualities so strongly that there appears to be some genuine continuity between past incarnations. Very similar to Zelda, Link, and Ganondorf/Demise: individual souls who appear across history in certain significant eras, that are all unique yet still connected by clear reoccurring similarities, sometimes bound by fate or blood, sometimes totally random. So when it comes to the Spirit of the Hero/Blood of the Goddess/Demise’s Curse, on one level each incarnation is separate… but on another level they are all one. This all also ties into the working theory that The Bargainer is more or less Demise, or at least Demise’s source. Kinda like Shiva the Destroyer in Hindu mythology. The Demise we saw in Skyward Sword might even be a more direct incarnation of the original god of death/darkness that Hylia sealed away, who I believe to be The Bargainer.
I don’t think Nintendo thinks far enough ahead when they make these games. They just wait for game theorists to come up with stuff and are like “Yeah… that’s what it is… 🤷🏻♂️”
Perhaps the part of the sword where Demise is sealed is actually the hilt, and not the blade. In Tears of the Kingdom, we never see any hint that Demise broke free from the Master Sword as the blade part broke, so maybe Ganondorf was unknowingly “this” close to unsealing his origin. I would love to see a future Zelda game that dives into the question of what might happen should the Master Sword be truly and utterly destroyed, and how the hero of that era might repair it, forge a new one, or defeat evil without it 🤔
I mean, you could argue that the timeline is a circle, so the timeline happens but then it loops around so the end is also the beginning. I've seen some suggestions like that. I don't personally agree but it's an interesting idea. BotW/TotK and the memories being before SS doesn't line up though. The first thing that doesn't work is having Ganondorf exist before Demise.
It's also worth noting that the concept of Demise reincarnating/incarnating his hatred through ganondorf is that we have no need to assume the reincarnation works like the common "western" version of concept where it requires the same soul to go from one life to another, but rather can use the eastern version, which I have heard explained like this: a candle is used to light another candle, which doesn't consume the flame of the other candle, but is also not affected by the first candle going out. They are not the same exact same flame, but are linked in a lineage. So if we use this concept, Ganondorf could exist as a separate entity whilst Demise's soul still exists, which is especially important since Demise has apparently "conquered time itself", and probably does not experience linear time in the exact same way, but as a deity might, and is present in all ages at once, so that there is never really a time before or after him, so Ganondorf would always exist at the same time as some fragment of Demise.
maybe the incarnations of ganon are to demise as the calamity ganons are to totk ganondorf, Demise leaks his angry juice out over time which causes a new demon king to be born or something akin to that process.
is ganondorf created from demise's hatred itself or is he just destined(or cursed) to hold it also do all Versions of princess zelda have the goddess's spirit or is just SS zelda
From what i understand, ganondorf is an incarnation so he's a human who's soul IS demise's hatred, and then FSA and TotK Ganondorfs are reincarnations of OoT Ganondorf. With zelda its a little more difficult: SS zelda is hylia's incarnation, so her soul is hylia's soul/ power, and technically every other zelda is just a descendent who shares the blood. But it depends who you ask because I feel like every zelda we see is a reincarnation of SS Zelda. I see people go one way or the other so who knows :D
@@thinkingatmaxvolume1992 i think that SS zelda housed atleast 2 spirits/souls inside which or hers and hylia's, at the beginning when we see zelda on skyloft, it's zelda's spirit channelling through but when we see zelda at the sealed temple where she powers up the master sword and seals herself, it's hylia channelling through
@@thinkingatmaxvolume1992 Skyward sword Zelda is not a reincarnation of Hylia she was a vessel for Hylia's soul. Questwithaaron has a video on the japanese version of that event.
ganondorf is of it wouldn't make any sense for him to reappear, but with this theory we might have a sequel. another thing is that most people forget that demise's hatred is reincarnated and not himself explaining why we are able to have vati and canon in the same game
I think Demise may have weakened the sword, and you do have a good point about the name, but if Demise was to have broken free in TOTK, that didn't seem to happen in game. Due to the nature of sword seals, as shown in Four Swords and Four Swords adventures, it's often not even necessary to destroy the sword in order to release the one sealed within. So clearly whatever is left of Demise in the Master Sword is only coming back with a triforce wish. By the way, Ghirahim isn't necessarily dead, so I can totally see a game where he gets the Triforce and resurrects Demise, or even manipulates Ganon, Vatti, Malladus, or some new Villain into resurrecting Demise.
It's funny I was just thinking about this but I wonder if it's actually possible for the master sword to even kill Ganondorf. It really seems like it can only ever seal him (sword that seals the darkness) twilight princess the sword doesn't kill Ganondorf zant does, and wind waker he gets turned to stone by the sword but then they dropped an ocean on him. I wonder if the spirit of demise stops the master sword from actually killing the inheritors of his hatred
I like to think that the seal that was placed on Demise's consciousness inside the Master Sword broke after Ganondorf's power destroyed the Master Sword, and now that essence of Demise is free again to terror Hyrule once more. I like to think that, that theme could be used to make a final trilogy.
Except this couldn't possibly be the master sword, not if this is the new hyrule that was founded sometime after wind waker if the description for salt is anything to go off of. The reason Gannon can break the sword is because this isn't the master sword that was created for the sole purpose of killing him. The sword we find in wind waker was made to seal his powers but wasn't powerful enough to kill him, everyone keeps forgetting that part. I wonder if this is what they tried to convey in botw when the master sword was completely optional to kill the giant phantom gannon?
inb4 Nintendo announces a third new-age Zelda and the villain for that title is Demise himself, newly freed from the Master Sword (who's been hiding out in The Depths or something since the Master Sword broke). But if we beat Demise at the end of that game, would that then end the cycle of reincarnation?
There's an article in the pinned comment you should look at. In the Japanese text Demise doesn't place a curse, he more mentions the eternal cycle, basically saying as long as there is a hero and someone with the goddess's blood there will always be hatred. So even if Ganondorf is killed, and Demise is killed, there will always be SOME KIND of evil, whether it's Ganondorf reincarnated again or something else like Vaati or Majora or whatever.
Well, I have two things that disprove your theory. 1. There’s no indication that the master sword seen in the era of the wilds is the same as the one seen in skyward sword. 2. Demise wouldn’t have been able to reincarnate as Ganondorf until his spirit fully dissolved. This is why Ganondorf doesn’t appear in skyward sword’s sequel.
This isn't even the first Ganon. Ganon died in both the Adult and Child timelines. In the downfall timeline he died a few times. Once in Lttp, Oracles games and then in the original Zelda. Still the actions of the Tears Ganon are classic divide and conquer strats that were employed in the Ocarina game. While it isn't impossible that Nintendo will never use Ganon again, it doesn't change the fact that another Gerudo thief could be born again some day, and then the cycle begins again. That doesn't even exclude this Ganon being resurrected, or Demise freeing himself form the Master Sword.
alternate theory, since btow and totk do NOT make sense together in the timeline, Ganondorf and Demise are SEPARATE and are actually fighting Link apart from each other and ultimately, AGAINST each other, especially their own interest.
*This video is a spoiler so idc if someone didn't finish the game.* I like to think that once Ganondorf broke the master sword, the seal on demise broke, but at the end of the day he was only just a shadow/form of darkness, what allowed him to regain power was when link recalled the master sword all the way to Zelda in the past, this somehow made Demise somewhat regain some of his powers but those were not enough. He escaped from the master sword and decided to find a way to regain most of it, until he stumbled onto a gerudo male child, he fed all his hatred towards the goddess hylia in the child and therefore began Ganon's path of destruction, this to me makes sense because : 1) Yes in the zelda storyline Ganon was always a strong af Magician/Swordsman but him instantly becoming a demon king with a secret stone making all the sages uselss seems crazy, I think he gained some of the dark powers from Demise's anger 2) We see that Ganon takes sonia as his target, this could be explained because at the same the other sages don't have their secret stones and rauru might have been too strong of an opponent but I think there is more to it, just think about it, Priestess/Hylian/Light powers, she does resemble someone no? So yeah I think demise made Ganon start all the various wars (Imprisoning war,etc) so he could gain his power back through all the destruction) and at the same time caused a time loop of some sort.
It looks like you too believe the converged timeline theory based on the timeline you showed in the video, I've got a fun concept you could run with. I believe tears of the kingdom actually sets up the convergence event, a paradox created by Zelda. Not the closed loop of empowering the master sword, she prevented the birth of her own ancestors. We never see or hear them at all in the past and it could just be written off as coincidence but there's one key piece of evidence that transcends all the spoken language. In the cutscene where Sonia notices Zelda's blood connection to Rauru and herself, and for just a moment while considering the implications he becomes visibly flustered as if embarrassed by the idea. This is not the reaction of someone who has already had a child would have but someone who hasn't, he is in that moment showing that this wasn't something he had even considered to this point and is embarrassed by imagining it. I believe that in order to fix this paradox Zelda with the help of who ever the remaining dragons are (I believe it's the remaining ancient sages) have to merge the timelines in order for a timeline where she is born can overlap with their timeline and in so doing combines all the existing time lines. I could never make a video to do this idea justice but feel free to use the idea and pick my brain for more details I've put a lot of thought into this one
Maybe this can lead to a concept in the next game that Demise separates from the Master Sword to become a dark Master Sword for Ganondorf, much in the way Ghirahim served as the sword of Demise.
how would you explain the master sword being fully powered at the end of botw's dlc? wouldnt that negate demises effect it would break because of the gloom and didnt break when it wasnt fully powered by malice?
That was part of my point during the "theory explained" section. Calamity Ganon's malice was only strong to damage the sword, but Ganondorf's gloom which is stronger than CG's malice in general AND because it's amplified by the secret stone, could potentially be strong enough to awaken whatever of Demise is left in the sword. That's the theory anyway
Ganondorf being an incarnation makes sense if you also believe the triforce is split into three and none of the wielders know it. It would explain how Zelda was more powerful than Sonia by a biiig margin, why Ganondorf goes Super Saiyan when other secret stone weilders didn't get nearly that same level of power up, and why only Link could be the one to retrieve the Sword in the present...
Ganondorf is not a reincarnation. Demises hatred gets incarnated in a bloadsoaked sea of darkness (gloom/malice). In the game we see a shift in tone of Ganondorf where he shifts from trying to conquer hyrule with the Gerudo to wanting to destroy the world and using monsters even against the Gerudo. This character switch is very weird. So my guess is that something or someone must have influenced him. I don't 100% know about the time placement. But my guess is Demise really is in the master sword and Ganondorf got corrupted in a way. Thus freeing Demise by destroying the mastersword. I even believe something else aparently 3 people in the past have tried to do draconificationn, but people who get draconified fullfill their last wish which in the case of the 3 dragons is guarding the wells. This task is a peaceful one and not dangerous. Which makes me believe that they were forced to by an unknown enitity. Maybe for some experiment in a time before Ganondorf. So maybe this same entity is what influenced him to do what he did.
As much as I would like to see Demise return, I think they'll stick with Ganondorf. Recently i've been seeing a lot of theories about Ganondorf being Demises's hatred than actually Demise and I really think they're true, they just make so much sense especially when yo consider what Malice and Gloom are supposed to be.
If Demise had not his hands in the game, I can't understand why the Mystery Stones turned Ganondorf into a fucking Demon King whereas the others merely become more powerful warriors of their favorite element.
Good theory but Nintendo doesn't listen to fans, so they will never say anything about this. Take for instance breath of the wild pointing to demise coming back in tears of the kingdom, literally everything was there, the sword was already on it's way out and the trailer even blue balled us by revealing a Ganon who looks almost exactly like demise but no, despite everyone saying this is definitely where it's going and that it would probably boost their sales by a shit ton, we got a piss poor Ganon and nothing like what the previous game hinted at.
Wait would that mean that if there is a sequel Demise will be the villain since a broken master sword allowed him to escape here’s the scary part Demon King Ganondorf, Link and Zelda aren’t even aware of Demises existence but there is a possibility that Ganondorf knows of Demise’s existence since he called out Link and Zeldas names in the first cutscene as if he remembers them and since Ganondorf remembers there names right off the bat there’s a chance that Ganondorf knows about the existence of Demise
In tears of the kingdom we see him pretend to be zelda what if the zelda we change back from dragon actually as part ganondorf in her because she was in the castle at the time she was keeping him sealed what happened of ganondorf weakened zelda in breath of the wild to create a shadow version that we see in tears could the zelda were saving at the end of tears may in fact have a ganondorf malice in her ? Makes you wonder
Worst lore trashing the LoZ developers have ever done. I would argue that having master sword be the only unbreakable weapon in the games would have been perfect. You can't get it in either game without having to put in time and effort and outside of against bosses its not the strongest weapon. Plus it's just smart to have a way to not force the use of the crappy weapon durability system which just made the games not fun if the player didn't want to. You know in the zelda games that were supposed to be all about playing it how the player wanted to. Plus even still players would have to use the stupid constantly breaking weapons until they could unlock the master sword so the argument of players not experiencing the system holds no water. What are they going to do when they break it the next time after it spent literal centuries being powered up by Zelda only to magically become tin foil again because "REASONS". Thanks for making arguably the most awesome items in zelda lore feel as worthless as the first rotting stick you pick up off the ground at the start of the game.
There's one thing that been bugging me, though. If the sword is broken, doesn't this mean the seal is basically broken? If so, why Demise wasn't free from it? Also, since Demise is seal inside the Master Sword, it also a reason why the power of Master sword is slowly decaying. I was like, The Sword is broken, so the seal is, now Demise should have been set free... Yet, I still think Nintendo could do something in a "third" Xelda Game about Demise.
Demise wasn’t freed because he’s about as dead as a being like him can get. It was stated at the end of Skyward Sword that the last remnants of him were slowly decaying inside the sword, by the time TOTK rolls around, he’d be gone for good and TOTK’s opening pretty much proves that by nothing happening when the sword shatters in the opening.
My thinking is he was too weak. He got his ass kicked at the end of SS, and he's been getting suppressed by the Master Sword's sacred energy throughout the entire timeline. In Botw, Calamity Ganon's malice may have woken up Demise's spirit in the sword, which is why we see for the first time the MS actually damaged. But the malice wasn't strong enough to allow Demise to weaken the sword enough for it to break. TotK however, since Ganondorf is stronger than Calamity Ganon AND he's powered up by his secret stone, his gloom should definitely be able to power up Demise enough to break the sword.
Demise is not seald his spirit is absobed in the masther sword to destroy it and with the ridiculus amont of time betwenn this and totk it is gone for good and i remind you tha the guys that ss also made totk so i do not think they would contredict themself .
''BotW is the first time we see the Master Sword broken, or at least see some damage to it. '' Me, an intellctual. Huhh.... No? ruclips.net/video/I4vUeIP4heY/видео.html XD
The thing is that the Master Sword shattered Because Gloom is a corossive Substance that decomposes metal and organic tissue, it's an acid made by Ganondorf The Master Sword was never stated to be Unbreakable, you can give the Master Sword in A Link to the Past to Dwarf Smiths and they use heat to make the blade easier to reshape with their hammers.
Demise escaped nd in ganaforfs defeat demise will return. People say the triforce is missing its not zelda has it where her super string light cones in jeep in mind rauru didnt have a symbol of the tryforce like zel dose he needa sonia to chrge fast enough zelda justvwishes and it is done but only 1nce in a while
I think Demise is the first and last villain of the series. Not to be seen again until the final chapter. His hatred lives outside the MS in the form of Ganondorf, but he remains trapped inside with Fi.
@@tumultuousv uhm...you clearly didn't play the game, or even watch a video on it. Did you not see mummy Ganondorf get restored to buffness after Link finds him the second time, or regular Ganondorf get locked away and thus begin decaying? What do you think mummification is?
@@tumultuousv I'm gonna be blunt with you. I have very little patience for stupid questions. Do your due diligence and use Google, if you know nothing about the games or series.
Demise is in the sword and fi too im sure fibsaid now is our chance to defeat demise forngood wichbis why he explodes ganadorf returns demise is free the curse lies on
To answer your question at the end of the video; there's no Ganondorf anymore nor will there be any. After what Nintendo has done with TotK and its story, it's clear to me at least, that they're trying to radically distance themselves from traditional Zelda and anything connecting directly to it. There's so much stuff just thrown in there, yet no concrete placement or any sense to any of it, that I can only come to the conclusion that Ganondorf's dead and that's it for him. At least until the day of the sales dropping at which point they are gonna go back to the roots, which at this point will be in like 20 years. TotK just makes no sense whatsoever and everytime I hear a theory that could make sense of the game and its placement in the existing franchise, I quickly find a reason for it not to work and I'm back to square 1. Why was the master sword first weakened in BotW and later shattered in TotK? Because this is not Zelda anymore and the infaluable master sword, that seals the darkness and cannot be touched by evil, was broken by plotholes.
I'm pretty sure the switch games exist in the same timeline as all the other games, unless Nintendo specifically comes out and says they exist in a separate universe
If you follow that train of thought , there is no Demise after Skyward Sword. Because he isn’t mentioned directly at all. With the rerelease of Skywards sword on the switch between BOTW and TotK, it can be implied that Nintendo was directing us towards Skyward Sword to look at again in the midsts of theories about the timeline. Also, this “reboot” theory , while possible, seems like an extreme move. They’ve said gameplay is most important and story is secondary, not that the story is unimportant. They can still tie in major plot points and characters into new games without scrapping everything, they built a big enough sandbox to play around in, so why couldn’t the big bad from the game that was rereleased between BOTW and TotK (and who is the origins of evil in the ENTIRE series) make a return? I’d say Demise showing up somehow in the near future leans more towards plausible than implausible. But that’s just a theory.. A GAME TH…. Oof, got excited for a second, lol
@@thinkingatmaxvolume1992 if you look at the official book it places BOTW in it's own spot past every other game, stating that everything else is myth and legend. That's pretty official to me and pretty obvious, people really so badly don't want to accept that the new games are completely seperate from the old ones. They've made it clear in game, in book form and the director literally said that old fans arent of concern anymore when making the new games and how they are Zelda but in a new direction for new people. You guys had your Zelda timeline. It's great and it's all one big thing. They are moving on from that and it's weird how people like to ignore information right in front of their eyes that states it. The old games simply can't work in the new timeline, parts of them sure but then 99% of everything would be extremely retconned. The only plausible way to connect the old to the new is through Hyrule Warriors which officially is not canon but it's the only way the old games could matter for the new games in any meaningful way
@@VitaminSwann0 it real isn't an extreme move. Both directors of Zelda games have stated countless times that they don't like the timeline and don't even consider it when thinking up the next game. Didyouknowgaming did great videos on that topic, they clear regret making the timeline official in the first place.
@@thinkingatmaxvolume1992 I enough your channel because you and your fans are literally the conspiracy theorists of Zelda lore. Equivalent to the right wing conspiracies IRL. It's very entertaining and I love it but I never understand how people try so hard to force the old nonsense Zelda lore into the two new games that lay out a clean, concise story. It's like people trying to say the earth is flat and pulling out all sorts of "proof" that requires ignoring 99% of all facts and information presented infront of you to consider. Obviously this isn't as bad as that, not what I'm saying but it's the same idea and the parallels are there.
I think Nintendo is going to work on a prequel game for botw/tears with a gerudo link and that link goes through rediscovering hyrule after the timeline merger
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"Breath of the Wild: BEWARE the Malice!"
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"How Tears of the Kingdom HACKS the Zelda Timeline"
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Also here's an interesting article on Incarnation and Reincarnation relating to Demise:
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Hi I love your theory I really do that's kind of what I'm trying to aim for in my fan show I'm working on it is called The Legend of Zelda the curse and the return of the spirit of demise
This theory actually works with the timeline spiral theory that means there is a pacific order to the games as well because by the time of the tears of the kingdom past hyrule could have been destroyed at least once.
I think this is a really interesting theory, but personally I don't think it was Demise, partially just because I feel like it's just more effective as a show of Ganondorf's strength to break it on his own rather than needing Demise's intervention to succeed.
Re: Demise and reincarnation, yes, Ganondorf isn't directly a reincarnation of Demise, but just an incarnation of demonic hatred. It's even more clear in the Japanese where they outright say that he's placing a demon lord curse on Zelda's bloodline, and Link's spirit.
Thirdly: if Ganondorf was a reincarnation, Demise *could* technically exist in the sword still, Japanese mythology has souls separated into Kokoro(heart, who you are as a person) and Tamashii(soul, the immortal essence of your being) and we see this split in Link in Twilight Princess. TP Link has the Tamashii of the Hero, but the Hero's Shade is OoT Link's Kokoro
So Ganondorf has the Tamashii of Hatred, and it's Demise's Kokoro inside the sword... Did I get that right?
Counterpoint: I've seen it be a thing in other Japanese media that that kind of seal needs to be tackled from both within and without at once in order to be broken; it _must_ be a joint effort.
So the impressive show of strength would be that Ganondorf was powerful enough to actually contribute to that.
I really like this because - if there is any overarching plan to the Hero of the Wild games - the possibility that Demise has been freed from the sword now meets with the question of where the Triforce is. If they made a third game with this Hero, the elements are all there for a quest to recover the Triforce in order to deal with Demise.
Before watching I’m gonna predict that you say that since Demise is sealed in the Master Sword, Ganon’s gloom surrounding the sword allowed Demise to break it
That pfp is crazy my boy ngl
Actually good theory kind of a shattered from within not from without
Look at this dude coming out swinging with a great theory video first thing in the morning. Well done and a pretty interesting idea. If we don't see Demise make a return at some point after TotK, I'll be surprised. Keep up the good work!
Thanks GG!
I think it’s very possible that Demise escaped the master sword after Ganondorf destroyed it and is after the tri force. In a third game I could definitely see that being the story alongside traveling to 4 new kingdoms bordering hyrule with the twili or lomei as an advanced race with their technology being red in order to stop demise
Hi.
Good shit! I’ve never thought of the “seals the darkness” that way before. If you take the “seals” and change it from the noun form of the word to the verb, then it changes from something the sword CAN do, to something that it IS doing.
Oooh a theory early Thursday morning?! You sly dog!! Thanks for the entertainment
The last line in the blood moon cutscene is "the world is threatened once again"
Really like this theory. Honestly makes a lot of sense and I would love to see Demise back in a future game set way after TOTK.
We saw in Breath of the Wild that the Master Sword is tied to Link’s life. When he was on the verge of death in BOTW’s final memory, the sword was decayed. In Tears of the Kingdom, Rarru said that Link was on the verge of death and that he couldn’t save his right arm. So my theory that Ganondorf attacked Link to weaken him and his sword. From there, Ganondorf was able to shatter the sword.
i think thats more a literary technique not so much a literal parallel but thats definitely good.
The thing is that the Master Sword actually isnt completely tied to Link's Strength.
In A Link to the Past you can give it to two weapon smiths who temper it and make it twice as sharp.
They reshaped the Blade with their Hammers by heating it up.
Breaking something is nothing else than changing its shape.
The Master Sword is immune to magic, yet not immune to physics, so I think it is more likely that Ganondorf's Gloom caused this because Gloom is a Corrosive Substance in High Concentrations (you can read this in the Picture Description of Ganondorf in his Second Form)
Thanks for an awesome theory, can't wait for the next one
I think the rename of "the blade of evils bane" to "the sword that seals the darkness" definitely supports this theory
I think it only got renamed in the English Version, the German for example still has the nick name from A Link to the Past "Bannschwert" (literal Translation: Banishing Sword) and this appeared everywhere the word Blade of Evil's Bane appeared in the English Version of Hyrule Warriors and A Link to the Past.
I don't know about the Japanese, I need to do more Research about that
My personal thoughts/theory on the shattering of the Master Sword is that it was fully caused by Ganondorf & the power he got from the Secret Stone.
But another thing to consider: The Master Sword in Tears of the Kingdom was missing enchantment measures.
In Wind Waker, the Master Sword needed to be re-empowered by the Sages of Wind and Earth.
By the time of Tears, the characters of the modern era are only finding out what a Sage is right then, meaning the role had fallen into near obscurity. So no Sages or Priests/Priestesses to empower the Master Sword.
To me, it's very likely that lack of enchantment is the reason the Master Sword got damaged and broken in Breath & Tears.
Sure Zelda bathed it in Holy power, but that's more of a "quick" patch job, even if it (apperantly) gained the power to never break again when fighting Ganons specifically.
@@chaos4654 The Wind waker Master sword is not the same sword so its limitations do not apply hear as for how Ganon could break the Master sword Questwithaaron did a video on that.
haven't finished watching, but theory add: Fi only ever spoke when she wasn't fully occupied sealing Demise.
Eh
Didn't the Japanese version say demise's mind was slowly dying In the master sword or something? Which means at this point in the timeline he's completely erased from existence?
The English version also says pretty much the same thing, with his last remnants slowly decaying inside the sword. People just don’t pay attention to dialogue.
They need to make a Zelda game that's story is All about finally breaking Demise's curse.
I’ve noticed that the Malice/Gloom keeps getting more red as time goes on.
In Skyward Sword, the Tainted Water and Koloktos have a purple color.
In BoTW, the Malice is pinkish-red in color.
Now in ToTK, it’s almost always a dark or light red color.
Does this mean anything or am I looking into something that’s not there?
Thematically, red is associated with power in the Zelda series, ie the Triforce of Power. The Malice and Gloom gradually changing from a more pale, pink/purple color to the red we se in _Tears of the Kingdom_ could be a hint that as time has passed, Demise and/or his incarnations of his hatred and malice are getting stronger and more powerful over time! And as I think about it, it makes sense......Tens of thousands of years have passed since Demise first laid his curse on Link, Zelda and their bloodlines, and in many cultures, beliefs and superstitions, a curse like the one he cast......one cast out of malice and hate.....grow stronger over time. Which would also mean that the incarnations of his hatred and malice would grow stronger over time as well! I have no doubt in my mind that Demise laid that curse, not only with the intention to plague their bloodlines with wave after wave of monsters and incarnations of his malice as payback for his loss, but with the intent to eventually create one strong enough to wipe them out!
Great way to start my thurdsay! Keep it up!!
I feel like this isnt even a theory, just straight up facts and logic 👌 keep up the great work! 👍
Personally I'm not convinced, but I do really like the theory overall and I like that you're asking new questions. Yes we all want to know where the timeline has TotK officially, but I feel like that has really taken a hold of every Zelda theorist channel.
I am also not really convinced.
The Description of The Picture from Ganondorf in his Second Form says that his Gloom is so strong that it became a Corrosive Substance that decomposes away all of Link's Equipment when it gets hit by that (with the repaired Master Sword being the only exception) and even erodes Link's Body bit by bit depending on how many Heart Containers he has.
It is basically Acid Corrosion that caused the Sword to break, since the Master Sword is immune to any type of Dark Magig, even the Magic of the Full Triforce, however it is still bound to the laws of Physics as even proven in A Link to the Past where you can give it to two Dwarf Smiths to make the Master Sword's Edges Sharper, this proves that the Sword can be reshaped and Therefore it could theoretically also be destroyed, it was only a matter of Time when this would happen
Amazing theory. I said this too a while back on a discord chat only for a couple of kids to laugh at this theory.
I also went a step further and said Demise's Hatred might also be the root cause of some other undead creatures unable to rest in peace. Poes, Redeads, Gibdos, ect.
It's also the reason why I believe that Demise's Curse can host in several different bodies. Meaning that more than one Ganondorf can exist potentially. Because Ganondorf inherited a concept, and said concept has none of the jurisdictions Link and Zelda have.
Great point. Both cycles are governed by separate rules, that's something I forget.
Kids lol. Just cuz they disagreed?
All enemies are part of the same tribe as demise.... the demon tribe. This is stated in Skyward sword also. So they'd be alive with or without demise really.
Perfect comedic timing using Dr Evil doing his air quotes. I love this theory, and it could lead to a threequel where botw/totk Link and Zelda face off against Demise himself. Considering how fun the fight was in skyward sword, fighting Demise with botws combat system would be epic. it could also mean the return of Ghirahim who would also be a epic boss fight(s). I would love to see that in a possible threequel
Wait, hear me out. Do you think Nintendo is setting up the anti-triforce? Malice, gloom and one other unrevealed force are somehow the antithesis of Courage, Wisdom, and Power, and the three goddesses’ roles/influences in the creation of Hyrule? Would that be connected to why we have the 3 Dark Dragon skeletons in the underground, and even why that ritual became forbidden? Could they also be setting up for the return of Demise and Ghirahim as the revived champions for Hylia’s antithesis?
Tons of conjecture, I know. Thanks for all the awesome vids you’ve posted. My gears are going to be spinning for days now.
If they actually went for something like that... that would be interesting. And they could definitely do that, giving us something different but still have it connect to things from the entire series
Before I watch
Here’s my thoughts
Demise is in it decaying the sword an internal fight between him and Fi simple as that.
I see demise coming back seeing what Nintendo has done, within that few days of the master sword being broken he was set free. Because it took link a while to send that sword back in time. All those thousands of years countless eras of weakening and weakening that sword to the point were almost every game we had to power it back up.
I so want Nintendo to build on bringing Demise back. Dude was like a lagit villain that got like 10 minutes of screen time. Nah bring demise back don’t even have to explain it just bring him back and let him reck
Man this is so good, I just wish we had more to go off. Great idea
Great video!
Your theory about Demise’s spirit still being alive and Ganondorf being his incarnation is super solid, plus it’s backed up by the actual concept behind reincarnation. It’s not that beings directly reincarnate into multiple forms, but that all beings are themselves incarnations of the divine oneness that is the Universe. But in rare cases an individual embodies certain qualities so strongly that there appears to be some genuine continuity between past incarnations. Very similar to Zelda, Link, and Ganondorf/Demise: individual souls who appear across history in certain significant eras, that are all unique yet still connected by clear reoccurring similarities, sometimes bound by fate or blood, sometimes totally random. So when it comes to the Spirit of the Hero/Blood of the Goddess/Demise’s Curse, on one level each incarnation is separate… but on another level they are all one.
This all also ties into the working theory that The Bargainer is more or less Demise, or at least Demise’s source. Kinda like Shiva the Destroyer in Hindu mythology. The Demise we saw in Skyward Sword might even be a more direct incarnation of the original god of death/darkness that Hylia sealed away, who I believe to be The Bargainer.
Good video dude, keep it coming
Interesting Video Bro!
This brought so many ideas to light that I didn't even think of before! Huge fan of this theory!
I don’t think Nintendo thinks far enough ahead when they make these games. They just wait for game theorists to come up with stuff and are like “Yeah… that’s what it is… 🤷🏻♂️”
Doubt it, unless Japanese zelda fans are making these exact theories as well.
Perhaps the part of the sword where Demise is sealed is actually the hilt, and not the blade. In Tears of the Kingdom, we never see any hint that Demise broke free from the Master Sword as the blade part broke, so maybe Ganondorf was unknowingly “this” close to unsealing his origin.
I would love to see a future Zelda game that dives into the question of what might happen should the Master Sword be truly and utterly destroyed, and how the hero of that era might repair it, forge a new one, or defeat evil without it 🤔
what if its actually convergent because botk/totk and rauru's hyrule happened before skyward sword and all game references are prophecies
I mean, you could argue that the timeline is a circle, so the timeline happens but then it loops around so the end is also the beginning. I've seen some suggestions like that. I don't personally agree but it's an interesting idea. BotW/TotK and the memories being before SS doesn't line up though. The first thing that doesn't work is having Ganondorf exist before Demise.
@@thinkingatmaxvolume1992 nah not a circle. it could just be a prequel instead i doubt it though convergent after time passed theory is the most solid
It's also worth noting that the concept of Demise reincarnating/incarnating his hatred through ganondorf is that we have no need to assume the reincarnation works like the common "western" version of concept where it requires the same soul to go from one life to another, but rather can use the eastern version, which I have heard explained like this: a candle is used to light another candle, which doesn't consume the flame of the other candle, but is also not affected by the first candle going out. They are not the same exact same flame, but are linked in a lineage. So if we use this concept, Ganondorf could exist as a separate entity whilst Demise's soul still exists, which is especially important since Demise has apparently "conquered time itself", and probably does not experience linear time in the exact same way, but as a deity might, and is present in all ages at once, so that there is never really a time before or after him, so Ganondorf would always exist at the same time as some fragment of Demise.
maybe the incarnations of ganon are to demise as the calamity ganons are to totk ganondorf, Demise leaks his angry juice out over time which causes a new demon king to be born or something akin to that process.
is ganondorf created from demise's hatred itself or is he just destined(or cursed) to hold it
also do all Versions of princess zelda have the goddess's spirit or is just SS zelda
From what i understand, ganondorf is an incarnation so he's a human who's soul IS demise's hatred, and then FSA and TotK Ganondorfs are reincarnations of OoT Ganondorf.
With zelda its a little more difficult: SS zelda is hylia's incarnation, so her soul is hylia's soul/ power, and technically every other zelda is just a descendent who shares the blood. But it depends who you ask because I feel like every zelda we see is a reincarnation of SS Zelda. I see people go one way or the other so who knows :D
@@thinkingatmaxvolume1992 i think that SS zelda housed atleast 2 spirits/souls inside which or hers and hylia's, at the beginning when we see zelda on skyloft, it's zelda's spirit channelling through but when we see zelda at the sealed temple where she powers up the master sword and seals herself, it's hylia channelling through
@@thinkingatmaxvolume1992 Skyward sword Zelda is not a reincarnation of Hylia she was a vessel for Hylia's soul. Questwithaaron has a video on the japanese version of that event.
The Demise within the master sword was present in the Sealed Temple when Link prayed on the Triforce.
ganondorf is of it wouldn't make any sense for him to reappear, but with this theory we might have a sequel. another thing is that most people forget that demise's hatred is reincarnated and not himself explaining why we are able to have vati and canon in the same game
I think Demise may have weakened the sword, and you do have a good point about the name, but if Demise was to have broken free in TOTK, that didn't seem to happen in game. Due to the nature of sword seals, as shown in Four Swords and Four Swords adventures, it's often not even necessary to destroy the sword in order to release the one sealed within. So clearly whatever is left of Demise in the Master Sword is only coming back with a triforce wish.
By the way, Ghirahim isn't necessarily dead, so I can totally see a game where he gets the Triforce and resurrects Demise, or even manipulates Ganon, Vatti, Malladus, or some new Villain into resurrecting Demise.
It's funny I was just thinking about this but I wonder if it's actually possible for the master sword to even kill Ganondorf. It really seems like it can only ever seal him (sword that seals the darkness) twilight princess the sword doesn't kill Ganondorf zant does, and wind waker he gets turned to stone by the sword but then they dropped an ocean on him. I wonder if the spirit of demise stops the master sword from actually killing the inheritors of his hatred
I like to think that the seal that was placed on Demise's consciousness inside the Master Sword broke after Ganondorf's power destroyed the Master Sword, and now that essence of Demise is free again to terror Hyrule once more. I like to think that, that theme could be used to make a final trilogy.
This is a cool theory tbh
Dang 🙃 i just mentioned this in a comment on some else's video. Im glad someone is diving into this finally!
This is why WW Ganon regained his powers when Link pulls the MS out.
Except this couldn't possibly be the master sword, not if this is the new hyrule that was founded sometime after wind waker if the description for salt is anything to go off of. The reason Gannon can break the sword is because this isn't the master sword that was created for the sole purpose of killing him. The sword we find in wind waker was made to seal his powers but wasn't powerful enough to kill him, everyone keeps forgetting that part. I wonder if this is what they tried to convey in botw when the master sword was completely optional to kill the giant phantom gannon?
inb4 Nintendo announces a third new-age Zelda and the villain for that title is Demise himself, newly freed from the Master Sword (who's been hiding out in The Depths or something since the Master Sword broke). But if we beat Demise at the end of that game, would that then end the cycle of reincarnation?
There's an article in the pinned comment you should look at. In the Japanese text Demise doesn't place a curse, he more mentions the eternal cycle, basically saying as long as there is a hero and someone with the goddess's blood there will always be hatred. So even if Ganondorf is killed, and Demise is killed, there will always be SOME KIND of evil, whether it's Ganondorf reincarnated again or something else like Vaati or Majora or whatever.
Oops. I first read this as Denise broke the Master Sword.
Damn it, Denise.
Well, I have two things that disprove your theory.
1. There’s no indication that the master sword seen in the era of the wilds is the same as the one seen in skyward sword.
2. Demise wouldn’t have been able to reincarnate as Ganondorf until his spirit fully dissolved. This is why Ganondorf doesn’t appear in skyward sword’s sequel.
Hmm ok. Counter counter:
1. There's nothing that says it's a different master sword
2. Ganondorf is Demise's HATRED incarnated, not Demise himself
@@thinkingatmaxvolume1992 sorry that was as i was watching the video probs shouldnt have jumped to conclusions =P
@@ZorLink21 :D no worries
Its set up for a demise sequel. I love the thought.
This isn't even the first Ganon. Ganon died in both the Adult and Child timelines. In the downfall timeline he died a few times. Once in Lttp, Oracles games and then in the original Zelda. Still the actions of the Tears Ganon are classic divide and conquer strats that were employed in the Ocarina game. While it isn't impossible that Nintendo will never use Ganon again, it doesn't change the fact that another Gerudo thief could be born again some day, and then the cycle begins again. That doesn't even exclude this Ganon being resurrected, or Demise freeing himself form the Master Sword.
not bad like the conclusion , man i hope more lore drop on dlc haha
alternate theory, since btow and totk do NOT make sense together in the timeline, Ganondorf and Demise are SEPARATE and are actually fighting Link apart from each other and ultimately, AGAINST each other, especially their own interest.
*This video is a spoiler so idc if someone didn't finish the game.*
I like to think that once Ganondorf broke the master sword, the seal on demise broke, but at the end of the day he was only just a shadow/form of darkness, what allowed him to regain power was when link recalled the master sword all the way to Zelda in the past, this somehow made Demise somewhat regain some of his powers but those were not enough.
He escaped from the master sword and decided to find a way to regain most of it, until he stumbled onto a gerudo male child, he fed all his hatred towards the goddess hylia in the child and therefore began Ganon's path of destruction, this to me makes sense because :
1) Yes in the zelda storyline Ganon was always a strong af Magician/Swordsman but him instantly becoming a demon king with a secret stone making all the sages uselss seems crazy, I think he gained some of the dark powers from Demise's anger
2) We see that Ganon takes sonia as his target, this could be explained because at the same the other sages don't have their secret stones and rauru might have been too strong of an opponent but I think there is more to it, just think about it, Priestess/Hylian/Light powers, she does resemble someone no?
So yeah I think demise made Ganon start all the various wars (Imprisoning war,etc) so he could gain his power back through all the destruction) and at the same time caused a time loop of some sort.
It looks like you too believe the converged timeline theory based on the timeline you showed in the video, I've got a fun concept you could run with. I believe tears of the kingdom actually sets up the convergence event, a paradox created by Zelda.
Not the closed loop of empowering the master sword, she prevented the birth of her own ancestors. We never see or hear them at all in the past and it could just be written off as coincidence but there's one key piece of evidence that transcends all the spoken language. In the cutscene where Sonia notices Zelda's blood connection to Rauru and herself, and for just a moment while considering the implications he becomes visibly flustered as if embarrassed by the idea. This is not the reaction of someone who has already had a child would have but someone who hasn't, he is in that moment showing that this wasn't something he had even considered to this point and is embarrassed by imagining it. I believe that in order to fix this paradox Zelda with the help of who ever the remaining dragons are (I believe it's the remaining ancient sages) have to merge the timelines in order for a timeline where she is born can overlap with their timeline and in so doing combines all the existing time lines.
I could never make a video to do this idea justice but feel free to use the idea and pick my brain for more details I've put a lot of thought into this one
Maybe this can lead to a concept in the next game that Demise separates from the Master Sword to become a dark Master Sword for Ganondorf, much in the way Ghirahim served as the sword of Demise.
But Ganondorf in TotK is...kinda dead by the end. So maybe the next game will just have Demise himself breaking out of the sword?
how would you explain the master sword being fully powered at the end of botw's dlc? wouldnt that negate demises effect it would break because of the gloom and didnt break when it wasnt fully powered by malice?
That was part of my point during the "theory explained" section. Calamity Ganon's malice was only strong to damage the sword, but Ganondorf's gloom which is stronger than CG's malice in general AND because it's amplified by the secret stone, could potentially be strong enough to awaken whatever of Demise is left in the sword. That's the theory anyway
Ganondorf being an incarnation makes sense if you also believe the triforce is split into three and none of the wielders know it. It would explain how Zelda was more powerful than Sonia by a biiig margin, why Ganondorf goes Super Saiyan when other secret stone weilders didn't get nearly that same level of power up, and why only Link could be the one to retrieve the Sword in the present...
Ganondorf is not a reincarnation. Demises hatred gets incarnated in a bloadsoaked sea of darkness (gloom/malice). In the game we see a shift in tone of Ganondorf where he shifts from trying to conquer hyrule with the Gerudo to wanting to destroy the world and using monsters even against the Gerudo. This character switch is very weird. So my guess is that something or someone must have influenced him. I don't 100% know about the time placement. But my guess is Demise really is in the master sword and Ganondorf got corrupted in a way. Thus freeing Demise by destroying the mastersword. I even believe something else aparently 3 people in the past have tried to do draconificationn, but people who get draconified fullfill their last wish which in the case of the 3 dragons is guarding the wells. This task is a peaceful one and not dangerous. Which makes me believe that they were forced to by an unknown enitity. Maybe for some experiment in a time before Ganondorf. So maybe this same entity is what influenced him to do what he did.
As much as I would like to see Demise return, I think they'll stick with Ganondorf. Recently i've been seeing a lot of theories about Ganondorf being Demises's hatred than actually Demise and I really think they're true, they just make so much sense especially when yo consider what Malice and Gloom are supposed to be.
Demise is dead...
If Demise had not his hands in the game, I can't understand why the Mystery Stones turned Ganondorf into a fucking Demon King whereas the others merely become more powerful warriors of their favorite element.
Good theory but Nintendo doesn't listen to fans, so they will never say anything about this. Take for instance breath of the wild pointing to demise coming back in tears of the kingdom, literally everything was there, the sword was already on it's way out and the trailer even blue balled us by revealing a Ganon who looks almost exactly like demise but no, despite everyone saying this is definitely where it's going and that it would probably boost their sales by a shit ton, we got a piss poor Ganon and nothing like what the previous game hinted at.
I would absolutly LOVE it if Demise was the villain of BotW3(Totk2)
4:41 or simply leaving the Depths.
Good correction thanks ❤
I like this! I LIKE THIS!!
It’s fun to theorize, I like it!
Wait would that mean that if there is a sequel Demise will be the villain since a broken master sword allowed him to escape here’s the scary part Demon King Ganondorf, Link and Zelda aren’t even aware of Demises existence but there is a possibility that Ganondorf knows of Demise’s existence since he called out Link and Zeldas names in the first cutscene as if he remembers them and since Ganondorf remembers there names right off the bat there’s a chance that Ganondorf knows about the existence of Demise
We need a thrid game I will be very sad if we have a brand new Zelda and Link I love the current Zelda and Link that we have
Demise was already decayed by the end of sky ward sword. By this point he's definitely not around beside his hatred
In tears of the kingdom we see him pretend to be zelda what if the zelda we change back from dragon actually as part ganondorf in her because she was in the castle at the time she was keeping him sealed what happened of ganondorf weakened zelda in breath of the wild to create a shadow version that we see in tears could the zelda were saving at the end of tears may in fact have a ganondorf malice in her ? Makes you wonder
Demise's manifestations are the true ruler of the realm. Hylia and the light bringers are invaders from alien planes of existence. Ganondorf must win.
Worst lore trashing the LoZ developers have ever done. I would argue that having master sword be the only unbreakable weapon in the games would have been perfect. You can't get it in either game without having to put in time and effort and outside of against bosses its not the strongest weapon. Plus it's just smart to have a way to not force the use of the crappy weapon durability system which just made the games not fun if the player didn't want to. You know in the zelda games that were supposed to be all about playing it how the player wanted to. Plus even still players would have to use the stupid constantly breaking weapons until they could unlock the master sword so the argument of players not experiencing the system holds no water. What are they going to do when they break it the next time after it spent literal centuries being powered up by Zelda only to magically become tin foil again because "REASONS". Thanks for making arguably the most awesome items in zelda lore feel as worthless as the first rotting stick you pick up off the ground at the start of the game.
There's one thing that been bugging me, though. If the sword is broken, doesn't this mean the seal is basically broken? If so, why Demise wasn't free from it?
Also, since Demise is seal inside the Master Sword, it also a reason why the power of Master sword is slowly decaying.
I was like, The Sword is broken, so the seal is, now Demise should have been set free...
Yet, I still think Nintendo could do something in a "third" Xelda Game about Demise.
Demise wasn’t freed because he’s about as dead as a being like him can get. It was stated at the end of Skyward Sword that the last remnants of him were slowly decaying inside the sword, by the time TOTK rolls around, he’d be gone for good and TOTK’s opening pretty much proves that by nothing happening when the sword shatters in the opening.
I would love to see demise in a modern day Zelda game. But keep his old art style, so a really glossy man fighting a normally shaded link.
Actually yeah, if they made his art style slightly different or slightly off to give the feeling he's different or not from this era
I think demise will return in the next legend of Zelda game
But how is it that Demise couldn't break it in SS?
My thinking is he was too weak. He got his ass kicked at the end of SS, and he's been getting suppressed by the Master Sword's sacred energy throughout the entire timeline. In Botw, Calamity Ganon's malice may have woken up Demise's spirit in the sword, which is why we see for the first time the MS actually damaged. But the malice wasn't strong enough to allow Demise to weaken the sword enough for it to break. TotK however, since Ganondorf is stronger than Calamity Ganon AND he's powered up by his secret stone, his gloom should definitely be able to power up Demise enough to break the sword.
The next game will have Demise...
A different ganondorf will appear
demon king? secret stones?
Makes sense
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Demise is not seald his spirit is absobed in the masther sword to destroy it and with the ridiculus amont of time betwenn this and totk it is gone for good and i remind you tha the guys that ss also made totk so i do not think they would contredict themself .
The goys that made skyward sword
''BotW is the first time we see the Master Sword broken, or at least see some damage to it. ''
Me, an intellctual. Huhh.... No?
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The thing is that the Master Sword shattered Because Gloom is a corossive Substance that decomposes metal and organic tissue, it's an acid made by Ganondorf
The Master Sword was never stated to be Unbreakable, you can give the Master Sword in A Link to the Past to Dwarf Smiths and they use heat to make the blade easier to reshape with their hammers.
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Demise escaped nd in ganaforfs defeat demise will return. People say the triforce is missing its not zelda has it where her super string light cones in jeep in mind rauru didnt have a symbol of the tryforce like zel dose he needa sonia to chrge fast enough zelda justvwishes and it is done but only 1nce in a while
I think Demise is the first and last villain of the series. Not to be seen again until the final chapter.
His hatred lives outside the MS in the form of Ganondorf, but he remains trapped inside with Fi.
Doesn't it say he is decaying in the master sword at the end of skyward sword???
@@tumultuousv yes, and?
He's in the master sword. Just as Ganondorf was decaying under Hyrule Castle for millennia.
@@noneyabidness9644 Ganondorf wasn't not ever said to be decaying. He was imprisoned.
@@tumultuousv uhm...you clearly didn't play the game, or even watch a video on it.
Did you not see mummy Ganondorf get restored to buffness after Link finds him the second time, or regular Ganondorf get locked away and thus begin decaying?
What do you think mummification is?
@@tumultuousv I'm gonna be blunt with you. I have very little patience for stupid questions. Do your due diligence and use Google, if you know nothing about the games or series.
Demise is in the sword and fi too im sure fibsaid now is our chance to defeat demise forngood wichbis why he explodes ganadorf returns demise is free the curse lies on
Ganondorf is dead FOREVER NO COMING BACK THE END
Well, the TOTK Dorf is dead but there’ll still be others in the future
To answer your question at the end of the video; there's no Ganondorf anymore nor will there be any. After what Nintendo has done with TotK and its story, it's clear to me at least, that they're trying to radically distance themselves from traditional Zelda and anything connecting directly to it. There's so much stuff just thrown in there, yet no concrete placement or any sense to any of it, that I can only come to the conclusion that Ganondorf's dead and that's it for him. At least until the day of the sales dropping at which point they are gonna go back to the roots, which at this point will be in like 20 years. TotK just makes no sense whatsoever and everytime I hear a theory that could make sense of the game and its placement in the existing franchise, I quickly find a reason for it not to work and I'm back to square 1. Why was the master sword first weakened in BotW and later shattered in TotK? Because this is not Zelda anymore and the infaluable master sword, that seals the darkness and cannot be touched by evil, was broken by plotholes.
there is no demise in the new current timeline
I'm pretty sure the switch games exist in the same timeline as all the other games, unless Nintendo specifically comes out and says they exist in a separate universe
If you follow that train of thought , there is no Demise after Skyward Sword. Because he isn’t mentioned directly at all. With the rerelease of Skywards sword on the switch between BOTW and TotK, it can be implied that Nintendo was directing us towards Skyward Sword to look at again in the midsts of theories about the timeline. Also, this “reboot” theory , while possible, seems like an extreme move.
They’ve said gameplay is most important and story is secondary, not that the story is unimportant. They can still tie in major plot points and characters into new games without scrapping everything, they built a big enough sandbox to play around in, so why couldn’t the big bad from the game that was rereleased between BOTW and TotK (and who is the origins of evil in the ENTIRE series) make a return? I’d say Demise showing up somehow in the near future leans more towards plausible than implausible. But that’s just a theory.. A GAME TH…. Oof, got excited for a second, lol
@@thinkingatmaxvolume1992 if you look at the official book it places BOTW in it's own spot past every other game, stating that everything else is myth and legend. That's pretty official to me and pretty obvious, people really so badly don't want to accept that the new games are completely seperate from the old ones. They've made it clear in game, in book form and the director literally said that old fans arent of concern anymore when making the new games and how they are Zelda but in a new direction for new people. You guys had your Zelda timeline. It's great and it's all one big thing. They are moving on from that and it's weird how people like to ignore information right in front of their eyes that states it.
The old games simply can't work in the new timeline, parts of them sure but then 99% of everything would be extremely retconned. The only plausible way to connect the old to the new is through Hyrule Warriors which officially is not canon but it's the only way the old games could matter for the new games in any meaningful way
@@VitaminSwann0 it real isn't an extreme move. Both directors of Zelda games have stated countless times that they don't like the timeline and don't even consider it when thinking up the next game. Didyouknowgaming did great videos on that topic, they clear regret making the timeline official in the first place.
@@thinkingatmaxvolume1992 I enough your channel because you and your fans are literally the conspiracy theorists of Zelda lore. Equivalent to the right wing conspiracies IRL. It's very entertaining and I love it but I never understand how people try so hard to force the old nonsense Zelda lore into the two new games that lay out a clean, concise story. It's like people trying to say the earth is flat and pulling out all sorts of "proof" that requires ignoring 99% of all facts and information presented infront of you to consider. Obviously this isn't as bad as that, not what I'm saying but it's the same idea and the parallels are there.
I think Nintendo is going to work on a prequel game for botw/tears with a gerudo link and that link goes through rediscovering hyrule after the timeline merger