J. S. Bach: Ich habe in Gottes Herz und Sinn (BWV 92) (Koopman)
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- J. S. Bach: Ich habe in Gottes Herz und Sinn (BWV 92)
Cantata for Septuagesima 1725
Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra & Choir
Ton Koopman
Deborah York, soprano
Franziska Gottwald, alto
Paul Agnew, tenor
Klaus Mertens, bass
Coro: Ich habe in Gottes Herz und Sinn
Recitativo (bass) e chorale: Es kann mir fehlen nimmermehr!
Aria (tenor): Seht, seht! wie reißt, wie bricht, wie fällt
Chorale: Zudem ist Weisheit und Verstand
Recitativo (tenor): Wir wollen uns nicht länger zagen
Aria (bass): Das Brausen von den rauhen Winden
Chorale (choir) e recitativo (bass, tenor, alto, soprano): Ei nun, mein Gott, so fall ich dir -- So spricht der Gott gelassne Geist
Aria (soprano): Meinem Hirten bleib ich treu
Chorale: Soll ich denn auch des Todes Weg
Mr Moller - I studied at the Royal Academy of Music and am utterly at a loss to understand your snobbish and very negative reaction to this beautiful performance - I would be proud to come anywhere near this standard of music-making...
I agree. Why doesn't he mention one detail of substantial critique? A troll perhaps?
Totally correct. Richter sounds musical, but unfortunately soupy and turgid in contrast to this. I really think Richter would have changed his style if he lived now.
@@bunkydunk7500 Exactly. He needs to detail more why he doesn't like this performance.
@@peteryoung4016 I completely agree, Peter - there's just no 'light and shade' or phrase shaping in a Richter performance - even as a piano teacher, I used to teach that no one note is necessarily more important than the next....
After a day without listening to Bach to later resort to this cantata, one start feeling a sensation of coming back to a pristine fountain, resembling Saint John Passion (with its almost tragic oboe sounds).
Happy Birthday JSB! XO Thank you Edward Murray!
There is no way of thanking you enough for all this glorious Bach and all of my favorite interpreters, too! No better way to start a day!
This is one of the finest cantata's of all time.
oeuvre émouvante et qui dégage une sérénité
Wonderful cantata. Bach made beautiful use of oboes d'amore. You may also want to check out John Eliot Gardiner's recording with the Monteverdi Choir and English Baroque Soloists, my personal favorite.
Don't miss out Mr. Masaaki Suzuki.
@@MrUseur also Philippe Herreweghe
I would say the oboe was what distinguished his sound - and the interplay with strings - or wind and strings eg 39. He may have limited orchestration on those days before Berlioz but the Cantor had imagination.
Bach knew how to use appogiature - always 'leaning' and 'sighing' - something lost in the Classical elegance?
Matin Moller isn't a music scholar, doesn't have bach in his veins.
From The Bach cantatas Website
Cantata BWV 92
Ich hab in Gottes Herz und Sinn
English Translation in Interlinear Format
Cantata BWV 92 - I have surrendered to God's heart and mind
Event: Septuagesima Sunday
Readings: Epistle: 1 Corinthians 9: 24 - 10: 5; Gospel: Matthew 20: 1-6
Text: Paul Gerhardt (Mvts. 1, 2, 4, 7, 9); Anon (Mvts. 3, 5, 6, 8)
Chorale Text: Ich hab in Gottes Herz und Sinn
Biblical quotations in green font, chorales in purple
1
Chorus [S, A, T, B]
Oboe d'amore I/II, Violino I/II, Viola, Continuo
Ich habe in Gottes Herz und Sinn
I have surrendered to God's heart and mind
Mein Herz und Sinn ergeben,
my heart and mind.
Was böse scheint, ist mein Gewinn,
What seems evil is my gain,
Der Tod selbst ist mein Leben.
Death itself is my life.
Ich bin ein Sohn des, der den Thron
I am a son of him
Des Himmels aufgezogen;
who opened the throne of heaven;
Ob er gleich schlägt und Kreuz auflegt,
though he strikes me and lays the cross upon me,
Bleibt doch sein Herz gewogen.
his heart remains well disposed to me.
2
Chorus and Recitative [Bass]
Continuo
To make sense of this (and movement 7) in English it is necesssary to indicate where Gerhard's hymn has been expanded.
Es kann mir fehlen nimmermehr!
I shall never lack anything again!
Es müssen eh'r
Before that could happen,
Wie selbst der treue Zeuge spricht,
as the true witness himself says,
Mit Prasseln und mit grausem Knallen
with cracking and with dreadful banging
Die Berge und die Hügel fallen:
the mountains and the hills have to fall:
Mein Heiland aber trüget nicht,
but my saviour does not deceive,
Mein Vater muß mich lieben.
my Father must love me.
Durch Jesu rotes Blut bin ich in seine Hand geschrieben;
Through Jesus' red blood I am written in his hand;
Er schützt mich doch!
he protects me!
Wenn er mich auch gleich wirft ins Meer,
If he throws me at once in the sea,
So lebt der Herr auf großen Wassern noch,
the Lord lives still on the mighty waters ,
Der hat mir selbst mein Leben zugeteilt,
it is he himself who has allotted my life to me,
Drum werden sie mich nicht ersäufen.
and so the waters will not drown me.
Wenn mich die Wellen schon ergreifen
Although the waves already seize me
Und ihre Wut mit mir zum Abgrund eilt,
and their rage hurries away with me to the abyss,
So will er mich nur üben,
God wants only to test me,
Ob ich an Jonam werde denken,
to see if I will think of Jonah,
Ob ich den Sinn mit Petro auf ihn werde lenken.
to see if like Peter I will direct my mind to him.
Er will mich stark im Glauben machen,
He wants to make me strong in faith,
Er will vor meine Seele wachen
he wants to keep watch over my soul,
Und mein Gemüt,
and make my heart
Das immer wankt und weicht
(that always wavers and gives way )
in seiner Güt,
in his kindness
Der an Beständigkeit nichts gleicht,
(which nothing can equal in constancy )
Gewöhnen, fest zu stehen.
accustomed to stand firm.
Mein Fuß soll fest
My foot should firmly
Bis an der Tage letzten Rest
until the very end of my days
Sich hier auf diesen Felsen gründen.
be established here on this rock.
Halt ich denn Stand,
If I keep this foothold
Und lasse mich in felsenfesten Glauben finden,
and am found to be unshakeable like a rock in my faith,
weiß seine Hand,
God's hand,
Die er mich schon vom Himmel beut,
which he holds out to me from heaven,
zu rechter Zeit
at the right time
Mich wieder zu erhöhen.
knows how to raise me up again.
3
Aria [Tenor]
Violino I/II, Viola, Continuo
Seht, seht! wie reißt, wie bricht, wie fällt,
See, see! how tears, how breaks, how falls
Was Gottes starker Arm nicht hält.
what God's strong arm does not support.
Seht aber fest und unbeweglich prangen,
But see how firm, unmoved and resplendent is
Was unser Held mit seiner Macht umfangen.
what our hero embraces with his might.
Laßt Satan wüten, rasen, krachen,
Let Satan rage, rave, crash,
Der starke Gott wird uns unüberwindlich machen.
the powerful God will make us unconquerable.
4
Chorale [Alto]
Oboe d'amore I/II, Continuo
Zudem ist Weisheit und Verstand
Besides there are wisdom and understanding
Bei ihm ohn alle Maßen,
in him without any limits.
Zeit, Ort und Stund ist ihm bekannt,
Time, place and hour are known to him,
Zu tun und auch zu lassen.
to do and also to leave undone.
Er weiß, wenn Freud, er weiß, wenn Leid
He knows when joy, he knows when sorrow
Uns, seinen Kindern, diene,
is of use for us, his children,
Und was er tut, ist alles gut,
All that he does is good,
Ob's noch so traurig schiene.
even though it seems so sad.
5
Recitative [Tenor]
Continuo
Wir wollen uns nicht länger zagen
We want no longer to live in apprehension
Und uns mit Fleisch und Blut,
and with flesh and blood -
Weil wir in Gottes Hut,
since we are in God's care -
So furchtsam wie bisher befragen.
to be so fearfully concerned as before.
Ich denke dran,
I think on this,
Wie Jesus nicht gefürcht' das tausendfache Leiden;
how Jesus did not fear the thousandfold suffering;
Er sah es an
he saw it
Als eine Quelle ewger Freuden.
as a source of everlasting joy.
Und dir, mein Christ,
And for you, my Christian,
Wird deine Angst und Qual, dein bitter Kreuz und Pein
your anxiety and torment, your bitter cross and pain
Um Jesu willen Heil und Zucker sein.
for Jesus' sake will be salvation and sweetness.
Vertraue Gottes Huld
Trust in God's grace
Und merke noch, was nötig ist:
and note only what is necessary:
Geduld! Geduld!
patience! patience!
6
Aria [Bass]
Continuo
Das Brausen von den rauhen Winden
The roaring of the rough winds
Macht, daß wir volle Ähren finden.
is the cause that we find full ears of corn
Des Kreuzes Ungestüm schafft bei den Christen Frucht,
The impetuosity of the cross creates fruit among Christians,
Drum laßt uns alle unser Leben
therefore let us our whole life
Dem weisen Herrscher ganz ergeben.
to the wise ruler completely surrender.
Küßt seines Sohnes Hand, verehrt die treue Zucht.
Kiss his Son's hand, honour the faithful discipline.
7
Chorale and Recitative [S, A, T, B / B]
Continuo
Ei nun, mein Gott, so fall ich dir
And so, my God, I fall
Getrost in deine Hände.
comforted into your hands.
Bass:
So spricht der gottgelaßne Geist,
So speaks the soul that has abandoned itself to God,
Wenn er des Heilands Brudersinn
when with belief it praises the saviour's brotherly love
Und Gottes Treue gläubig preist.
and God's faithfulness.
Nimm mich, und mache es mit mir
Take me, and rule over me
Bis an mein letztes Ende.
until my final end.
Tenor:
Ich weiß gewiß,
I know for certain
Daß ich ohnfehlbar selig bin,
that I am infalliblly blessed
Wenn meine Not und mein Bekümmernis
when my need and my distress
Von dir so wird geendigt werden:
are brought to an end by you in this way:
Wie du wohl weißt, daß meinem Geist
for you know well that my soul
Dadurch sein Nutz entstehe,
gains from what you do,
Alto:
Daß schon auf dieser Erden,
that already on this earth,
Dem Satan zum Verdruß,
to Satan's annoyance,
Dein Himmelreich sich in mir zeigen muß
your heavenly kingdom must be revealed in me
Und deine Her
je mehr und mehr
and your honour more and more
Sich in ihr selbst erhöhe.
be exalted in itself.
Soprano:
So kann mein Herz nach deinem Willen
Thus according to your will my heart,
Sich, o mein Jesu, selig stillen,
o my Jesus, can be calm and blessed,
Und ich kann bei gedämpften Saiten
and with muted strings I can
Dem Friedensfürst ein neues Lied bereiten.
prepare a new song for the prince of peace.
8
Aria [Soprano]
Oboe d'amore I, Violino I/II, Viola, Continuo
Meinem Hirten bleib ich treu.
I stay faithful to my shepherd.
Will er mir den Kreuzkelch füllen,
Though he fills the cup of suffering for me,
Ruh ich ganz in seinem Willen,
I rest completely in his will,
Er steht mir im Leiden bei.
he stands by me in sorrows.
Es wird dennoch, nach dem Weinen,
For after my weeping
Jesu Sonne wieder scheinen.
the sun of Jesus will shine again.
Meinem Hirten bleibe ich treu.
I stay faithful to my shepherd.
Jesu leb ich, der wird walten,
I live for Jesus, who wilrule over me,
Freu dich, Herz, du sollst erkalten,
Rejoice, my heart, [though] you must grow cold [in death]
Jesus hat genug getan.
Jesus has done enough.
Amen: Vater, nimm mich an!
Amen: Father, take me!
9
Chorale [S, A, T, B]
Oboe d'amore I/II e Violino I col Soprano, Violino II coll'Alto, Viola col Tenore, Continuo
Soll ich den auch des Todes Weg
Even if I have to travel the way of death
Und finstre Straße reisen,
and the gloomy road,
Wohlan! ich tret auf Bahn und Steg,
very well ! I tread on the road and path
Den mir dein Augen weisen.
that your eyes show to me.
Du bist mein Hirt, der alles wird
You are my shepherd, who will
Zu solchem Ende kehren,
turn everything to such an end
Daß ich einmal in deinem Saal
that one day in your hall
Dich ewig möge ehren.
I may honour you for ever.
--
English Translation by Francis Browne (November 2002)
Contributed by Francis Browne (November 2002)
Jeg har Gud og troen i mit hjerte.
24:17
Возможно тут нет противоречия. Сотни и тысячи лет происходит борьба порядка и" негативных явлений." Например я могу слышать I.S. Bach и совсем рядом со мной патриархи из низших людей, которые открыто передвигаются на автомобилях с номерами: 666, 999.... . По моему важна способность человека к положительному развитию в процессе жизни и познания.
Oh!how can anyone on this planet not like Paul Agnew. Shame on you. A disgrace of understanding.
Each and every movement completely wrong and nonmusical!
I personally prefer the interpretation of Karl Richt with his Munich Bach-Orchestra and Choir.
This is a good choice.
Generally, I (among a good number of others, for what it's worth) find Richter's performances well-intentioned but dreadfully off the mark in terms of getting the "right" or appropriate affect. I think this performance, led by Koopman, is not only sensible and sensitive, but highly musical and quite lovely on the whole. What are some concrete things that you might mention that you don't like about it?
This interpretation is close to the authentic sound of that period and is a very musical performance. Richter was a good musician but his performance sounds really soupy and turgid now. I do think Richter would have changed style if he was living now.