What If New England Was A Country? Very Educated And Very Rich
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New England is one of the most quintessentially American regions. So much so that's it's hard to break it away from the United States as its own country. But at the same time, few other regions in the USA have as strong a regional culture as New Englanders do. In this video we go through the history of New England and then break down the would be country by size, population, demographics, cities, and economy.
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Worcester is pronounced like “Wuh-ster”
Also a lot of people think that New Englanders aren’t nice because we’re more reserved. A phrase used here about us is “Good fences make good neighbors” in that we don’t pry into other people’s business and give them space. It’s also said that New Englanders are “nice but not kind” like we’ll tell you you shouldn’t have done something that made you drive into a snowbank, but we’ll also shovel you out of the snowbank. This is why a lot of us here see the “kind but not nice” mentality of other areas as fake and hypocritical.
*Wustuh*
Agree with the pronunciation. Also, I grew up in Vermont, now live in Boston. Lived in Oregon several years, supposedly friendly (decades ago). Found it polite, but not "friendly", it seemed a facade. Would rather gave here, if nice to you they mean it.
alternatively, Worchester is "Wiss-tuh".
Lol. My parent’s neighbor in the Midwest called & said that phrase to my dad last year as she put up a fence around the property line.
They always had gotten along well until last year. Now she’s a 93 year old Lady who seems to have gone a bit crazy & paranoid in her old age, accusing my dad of trying to encroach & take her land which is nuts. She complained about how my mom turned around in her driveway once, which my mom did because the surrounding roads were all flooded.
My dad was was taken aback by these accusations & just quoted the Bible phrase “love thy neighbor” back to her and said she wasn’t being very loving before hanging up. She apparently called the cops on him for it lol
Meanwhile, he had been mowing part of her yard for 12 years for free, but later after all this found out she had been paying this other guy all this time who mowed another small section.
So yeah, when I hear that phrase I think of rude people now.
Exactly. After living in the South and Midwest for years, they are friendly on the outside but don't ask for help or think their invites are sincere. Wouldn't help anyone. While we're crusty on the outside, most folks in New England and the Northeast would help anyone if needed. And mean it when they ask you to visit sometime.
Fun Fact: If New England were independent, it would be the 14th strongest economy in the world. A huge amount of money for such a small region.
It will be much smaller than that, as southwest Connecticut will not developed into what's today as the border will stop it being part of the tri-state area, for example Stamford will be just a small rural coastal town if there is a border
@@jbissainthe not ahead of Germany
Florida and Texas each have larger economies than New England.
@@jbissainthe California has a better GDP than Russia
@@PSTXFL yeah but with double the population and like 10x the size. No small region of Texas or Florida could be cut off to match New England. Edit: To my surprise Florida is actually similar in size to New England, but they still have quite a larger population than NE
Being from Maine is funny, people picture lighthouses and coastline but most of it is woods, fields, flea markets and self storage facilities. I'd never live anywhere else, but the romantic idea of Maine is mostly for vacationers and rich people.
And aside from Brunswick southward, i.e. North Massachusetts, it has nothing to do with the rest of New England culturally or linguistically.
@@skipads5141 I agree in most part. In this case, I wouldn't do north/south. I'd use Rt. 1 and 30 miles inland from that. Coastal Maine is very different from inland Maine. Portland has become a very diverse city. And the cities/towns around it are doing the same. Go Biddeford.
New England wouldn't be half as cool without maine. Inland and all!
You know, I believe the same thing about not leaving Maine, until I realized how much money was in southern New Hampshire.
@@Madzielle I beg to differ, I’ve lived in Maine and NH all my life, Maine being one of the worst experiences of my life. NH being the best, the taxes in Maine make it hard to live there.
I remember talking with friends about MCAS, the Massachusetts standard test all students have to take in high school. We all thought how easy the test was compared to our expectations. Turns out it’s one of the hardest standard tests amongst all the other states in the country. Not to mention when common core was announced it was actually a lower standard then Massachusetts current standard
Lol, for me the math section was easier than the regular class work at the start if the year, but te english section was a pain.
Yes, and thank God we dumped Common Core and brought our standing back up to where it had been before it! And yet other states do not follow our example. Go figure.🥴🤪
the MTEL (teacher licensure test) is also the hardest in the country since MA has such high standards for education, the CCSS is extremely refined compared to other states
the Math and Science sections of MCAS are pretty easy and breezy, however the English section is pretty annoying because of how much reading has to be done.
@@bruhman2995 I'm just bad at writing
As a lifelong new Englander the education aspect really hits home. I spent my life there but now teach college freshmen at a southern state school. A lot of these kids who grew up in states with much less of an educational culture, who are college freshmen, would fail a Massachusetts 9th grade literacy exam
I worked for an Upward Bound program in MA and was at a national conference where other UB programs from the gulf states were talking about a regulation from DOE that I hadn’t heard of. Certain state curricula (not New England) don’t meet the federal minimum standards for graduation so, they have to enroll their high school UB students in dual enrollment classes each summer to subsidize the lack of education at the state level. DOE basically just didn’t tell us, because they knew it wouldn’t be an issue for us. This was my first glimpse into education outside MA and I was floored. I’ll never complain about the education I received after that
Do you really think it's cultural? That's the best you can come up with your Massachusetts education. What a snob.
Btw, I'm pretty sure the 'n' is capitalized in New Englander, then there should be a comma, & a period after exam. I don't know though, I only have a southern education.
Dual enrollment classes?
@@Towmas when you take college classes while still being in high school. Popular with high school kids in cities w/a lot of colleges here like Worcester & Boston
It comes down to a combination of expectations and investment. Per child, New England invests more in education than any other region of the country. Teachers are expected to have advanced degrees and have continuing education. Plus with higher education institutions around virtually every corner, there is a familiarity and comfort with the idea that educational attainment is something common.
I've lived all over this country in 10 states, spread out from TN to FL, NM, WA, IN, TX, NC, CT, GA, and NH. So I'm kind of familiar with most of the regions of this country. I've lived in CT for the last 30+ years, and if civil war ever comes to this country again, I'll be perfectly fine with becoming a citizen of the United States of New England.
Also a CT resident and I agree, I think we’d do alright up here.
I think almost all New Englanders would be very happy to form our own union.
A citizen of New England made me LoL… but I concur I’m in mass 😂
Wait y'all think u are part of new England? Connecticut is gonna be fighting with New York before new England 😂
@@robbietremblay9745 Don't know where you got your geography education but you should ask for your money back.
I’m from New Hampshire & I always kinda thought New England was boring, but seeing all this really makes me realize how much I Lucked out by being born here
New England is kind of like the "home country" of any fantasy series: the shire, sendaria, two rivers, etc. "Boring," but then it really offers a perspective on the chaos of other regions.
Think of it this way - you could have been born in Ohio!
I grew up in Mass and moved to NH. I love the granite state! It is a little jewel.
@lrk2051 Indeed, but at least here my chances of being shoved in front of a subway train or accosted by a gang of "teens" are much lower.
I'm from Vermont the same is true
As a life-long resident of New England, I would be perfectly happy if the New England states formed their own country.
As a fellow New Englander I agree full heartedly!
the fact that even native English speakers mispronounce Worcester is a testament to how drunk we were when we named that city 😆
That’s just people who never heard it before eg Greenwich.
It’s just like Gloucester
I caught that, too.
Because we New Englanders still literally use the British pronunciation, haha.
What I think is even odder is how it kept the original British pronunciation
I love New England because it is where I was raised, but also it's one of the most beautiful areas in America from its virtually incomparable autumns to its rugged shoreline -- unlike the rest of the Eastern seaboard -- to its colonial architecture.
Yes! Grew up in Rhode Island and the geography of the bay is really beautiful. I live in New Hampshire now which has its own beauty with the mountains.
I suggest some travel in the PNW. It's like New England on steroids with actual mountains.
@@DKGifford19608 No thanks. We refer to the PNW as the "Great Pine Wasteland".
We also prefer more sunny days to cloudy/rainy days.
Not at all like New England.
Also, your ocean is on the wrong side. ;-)
@@aliensinnoh1 Rhode Island's coast is the hidden gem of New England.
@@kenb3552 But I'm pretty sure your fall foliage pales in comparison
One of the most significant factors in the development of New England culture is the fact that it was settled mostly by families (as opposed single men seeking their fortune and women brought over to be brides, as in other colonies). These families were often related by marriage before they left England. They were, on average, more educated (with strong connections to Cambridge University) and tended to be wealthier than typical settlers in the other colonies. It’s known as the Great Migration and it fuses the region together because those families are so interconnected.
When I moved to a new village in Connecticut, I met a guy who was related to me…from back in 17th century; our families had founded a village in Massachusetts together in 1638 and, of course, intermarried at some point and then spread out. It’s pretty remarkable.
That’s neat!
Not so tho, the majority of the Irish immigrants were young men sent over to earn a living because of the potato famine. The Italians in which I am a descendant from definitely came as family units.
Another major factor is that both the Pilgrims - and the somewhat later Puritans - were disenchanted with 17th and 18th century English society and values and were trying to create a fresh start. By contrast, the English settlers of the Mid-Atlantic and South were petty royals and aristocrats who were trying the recreate class-based English culture in the Americas.
@@inkman996OP is talking about pilgrim settlers, well before any Italians or Irish came here. Two totally different time periods
What town
An addition to the education part, there's also the NESCAC schools ("the Small Ivys"), mostly located in New England, and which are typically listed among the most prestigious division three schools in the country.
Also, grew by Worcester and loving the pronunciation here. 😉
small town Midwesterner turned small town New Englander by way of one of those Little Ivys... won't go back. nope. Anyway, I nearly jumped out of my chair when he said the city not very far away from me. To get it that wrong in a video all about the region is pretty funny!
There are even smaller and unknown schools... invite only kind of deal!
And some of the top hospitals in the world! Dartmouth, Boston Children’s, Mass General, and several others…
Great video Geoff! Just want to add a correction that the Native American tribes you mentioned were not "wiped out". They are still here and have been living and fighting for their culture and way of life for the centuries since first contact.
Thanks for saying this! In a way, by claiming these people were wiped out we continue to colonize them. It's important to honor their continued existence, and their role in the ongoing American story.
Wor-chester lolz
Thank you! In fact, the current Treasurer of the United States -- the person whose signature is on all of our money -- is the chief of the Mohegan Tribe, one of the two federally-recognized tribal nations in Connecticut. New England's Indigenous community is surging in visibility and national relevance.
Much of the northern coast of Massachusetts all the way up to Maine and New Hampshire (and later the South Shore too) were severely depopulated by the 1633 Smallpox Epidemic.
That’s actually a huge reason why New England colonization was as quick as it was, and why the wars of King Phillip (Metacomet) and of the Pequot took place leagues away from Boston.
So, definitely not decimated entirely- but severely, severely destroyed. Noteworthy, there are tribes that were wiped out to a man, which is certainly worth mentioning.
Thank god some survived and are revitalizing. Just wish there were more still around.
@@Smile4theKillCam456 they were WIPED OUT by the white man and we gave them a casino
Worcester (Whus-tah) is the second largest city in New England. When I was in early elementary school, living 20 miles outside of Boston) I had more of an understanding that I was from a place called New England rather than the United States. We would learn about the history of New England and the US and then take field trips to see the places where things occurred b/c they were so close.
I think by the beginning of third grade I had figured out that I lived in both New England AND the United States. Very glad on both accounts 😊
That is hilarious. I always knew I lived in the US, but didn’t realize the rest of the US was not as weird as Pennsylvania. For a good time there I kinda of assumed that Amish people lived almost everywhere.
it was PAINFUL to hear "worchester"
Second largest city, but he's talking about metro areas. Providence metro is quite a bit larger.
No, it’s Wis-ter
@@ZBisson It is if you don't know how to correctly pronounce it.
Education in the North East is phenomenal! I was born in N.C. and an average student. When we moved to NH, I was well below the standards and had to really improve quickly. I wish our country would hold the same cultural standard for education as in the NE. BTW the true tri-state is NH,VT,ME!
@@P.90.603 Good for you!! I hope you are living well, and happy!
No that would be NY, NJ and CT
@@Atl-jv1kw Those are not New England States.
I’ve lived in Massachusetts my whole life. Some folks who live here don’t appreciate how special and unique this part of the world is. You don’t really get it until you travel around the country. I myself am guilty of this. Especially when the winter winds and snow is howling! But on the whole, New England is a great place to live. Beautiful beaches. Very good schools. And, yes, the people do tend to be a little snooty for sure, but they seem to have a lot of “local pride”. Thanks for the reminder of just how fortunate I was to be born and raised here. And raise a family here as well. ❤
I disagree. I loved growing up in mass/nh. But once I got out and lived in a lot of other places/ countries, I’ve grown to really dislike New England.
@@alexkoble9303What about New England do you dislike now?
@@wk3004 prices, people, I guess the crummy weather.
@@alexkoble9303 I can understand prices, I can understand (some) people, and I can understand weather, but to be honest I love the weather here. That’s just a matter of preference though
I just got back from a 2 month trip around the whole united states back to south shore mass. I gotta say seeing other places definitely gave me some pride in being from mass. I do gotta admit tho, If utah wasnt landlocked, I think it would absolutely be the best place to live. Just so much variety in the landscapes. I was mostly going to the national parks but I did stop in san diego and los angeles for about a week and I loved the mexican culture and stuff down in san diego. I absolutely hated how close all the houses were together tho. As much as I say I hate massachusetts all the time I think i kind of proved to myself how its probably the goat for me given the history, pride of the culture (sports etc), 4 seasons, education standards, jobs (boston holds so many jobs especially for trades), and so much more. Only thing I genuinely hate about massachusetts goes into politics and honestly I have a slight distaste for EPA officers. Epa as an organization = good... but the anti fun... power hungry... got bullied thru school EPA officers that patrol ponds and trails can get screwed
Definitely one of the most successful regions of the country, all the other states can learn a lot from New England
@Valkyrae Commenter For rapid unstable growth 😂
@Valkyrae Commenter Texas and California have both taught New Englanders about the dangers of attempting to mold reality to better fit ideology, rather than the other way around.
@Valkyrae Commenter I am sorry but no. Texas is the crazy town of right-wingers and Cali is the crazy town for Left-wingers. To me, both are extremists in ideology. To me, a centrist, who can't stand either but still love the crap out of both states just because of the massive quantity beauty of them have.
@@maninredhelm Nailed it! T & C are going through their worst times in decades due to societal breakdown issues coupled with the economies in flux. I wouldn't use either as a model of anything to be honest despite being large population clusters...
New England is a whopping 5% of the entire U.S. population nobody cares.
I live in New England and I think it’s really funny how people perceive us as like, lighthouses, and pretty trees, what I am familiar with is Dunkin’ Donuts, and suburbs lol
And very white and homogeneous. Besides a few pockets in the cities, having a low minority population does help
I think all four of those would be accurate descriptions, or at least for where I live.
@@3000MrGian help with what?
@@3000MrGian Appalachia is the most white area in the country and is almost one of the most poor and impoverished. Where’s homogeneity saving them?
@@3000MrGian Where do you live? You arent seeing the same thing I see! We have a tremendous Latino/a population, and it is growing! And they dont just live in the cities here in Massachusetts! you must be from the hinter lands of Northern New England to be so ill-informed!
New England has extremely diverse geography and and climate too. From the coast you can start in a populous city, head to the beach, or drive a couple hours to the mountains through rolling hills and small towns. We've got warm summers, beautiful Spring and Fall seasons, and winter for 4-6 months of the year.
New England also has rich maritime history, from fishing to the having the oldest commisioned warship still afloat, to the last heavy cruiser, and Battleship Cove. All within a couple hours of each other.
It really is a burden being the best.
Absolutely no part of New England has 6 month winters, here on the Coast of CT we barely have a winter at all.
@@Atl-jv1kw I was exaggerating for comedic effect, as we New Englanders tend to do regarding winter.
Careful with the population density of Massachusetts. West of Worcester, and, especially, west of the Connecticut River, the density resembles that of Vermont.
There are pockets of density and diversity. The biggest one in this region is Rt 91 corridor. Old mill city's. Go 10 or 20 miles out, and it gorgeous countryside.
Yeah, the greater Boston numbers really skew that statistic. It's not wrong, but definitely doesn't paint an accurate picture of most of the state. (Hilltowner, here. 900 people in my town, about 1,500 sheep.)
PS - when those of us in the western 1/3 of the state get tired of being ignored in state policy, we fantasize about seceding and joining Vermont. ;)
I'm in GB. More people than your town, but it doesn't translate into more voice in Boston.@@rosemarywessel1294
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the time NE came closest to seceding: the Hartford Convention! During the run up to the War of 1812, New England Federalists were seriously concerned about the direction of the country and considered secession, but decided against it
That’s what I was thinking!
The damn War of 1812 scuttled that ship before it could set sail. I feel like a timeline with a successfully seceded New England might be better than what we have currently, but we'll never know.
That sentiment is on the rise again. There's a whole subreddit for it. I think if this happened again, we just might go through with it
@@michaelkelmonroe7547I suspect that a New England secession in 1812 would have vastly delayed the Civil War and the end of slavery in the US.
@@arche2460Its good to have a backup plan incase trump gets elected again and is allowed to go through with his plan to go full authoritarian fascist dictatorship and remove term limits completely. Most ppl like the status quo and want to be in the us, but its smart to have a fall back option if the gop goes full 3rd reich like they want to soo bad.
Thanks for creating this.
As a Vermonter I have often wondered if New England could be it's own country.
Hello, fellow Vermonter!
Hello fellow vermonters
Hello fellow Vermonter. I too have wondered this. Have you looked at the New England Independence Campaign?
As a Rhode Islander, this video was really cool! It's also so nice to see it all laid out in a video. There are so many more historical events to go over, too. Like the burning of the HMS Gaspee in 1772.
Hey neighbor! I'm in Ashaway!
I LIVE in GASPEE POINT !!! Hey there !
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@@mattchagnon5620 Hello 👋🏼
@@user-rq3oj8xn6v Hell yeah, Gaspee point!!!
Missed the detail that the Mayflower wasn’t supposed to land in New England. It was blown way off course, which was originally to the Virginia Colony. Their departure was also delayed, so that they sailed too late to land during more temperate weather. That’s partly why they were so unprepared for the severe winter weather they faced.
I've heard some claims that they were aiming for present-day New Jersey, but then at the time "Virginia" was England's term for basically the whole East Coast, including the future New Jersey. (I've also heard one story that they were given false navigational directions by the Dutch while they were staying in the Netherlands since of course the Dutch were planning their own colony on "Manahata" Island.)
I'd move there in a heartbeat, lowest crime in the US. I grew up in New England, never was scared of crime up there, but every place in the US has gotten worse since.
Massive drug addiction has swept through new England it's nothing like it use to be.
Actually, I’d say our crime is probably better now than before… well, I guess that would depend on when before was. If your “before” was the 70s and 80s, we’re doing better. We’ve ditched a lot of the Irish and Italian mob. And while we have a lot of Hispanic immigrants they haven’t dominated population wise.
I also like to think we have “liberals with a brain” up here. We are culturally liberal but still like our guns and property so we don’t go for some of the real crazy west coast ideas.
Our conservatives aren’t the really crazy kind either. Mostly fiscal conservatives. Definitely not the kind that legislate their beliefs. Ton of Libertarians up here.
We go to church but we rather you don’t come to our church if you don’t subscribe to its beliefs… if that makes sense. It’s not a mass social activity, where the whole town goes and people feel pressured to attend. Churches tend to be smaller and less accommodating of different beliefs. You’ll find ultra conservative and liberal churches of the same denomination just up the road from each other. Take your pick.
All in all it’s a great place to live and grow a family. Though it takes hard work to get started as a young adult. You can’t coast your way through life up here. Excellence is rewarded and incompetence is derided. Though Beacon Hill sometimes challenges that assessment!
i don't know about the rest of the country, but massachusetts speaks spanish and is an absolute mess like california.
@@jameshetu6885 in Eastern Mass you have guns for hunting only. There’s “open carry” but you will be detained constantly because it’s not socially acceptable. Different kind of gun culture
@@KnightNave umm, you must be from Southern/ more urban New England. Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine rural areas are very different.
Ironic how the region settled by those seeking religious freedom turned out to be the least religious area of the US.
Less religious than the PNW or CA?
@@DKGifford19608 yes
@@DKGifford19608 Absolutely yes! We are nationally known for being the LEAST christian corner of the country and the national ministries rarely make a visit here! Often new york city will be as close as they come! Sad but true!
Most educated = least religious
@@aj1918 atheism is a philosophical worldview. Not the sum of facts
I live in Maine, and i really can't even say how many times people ask me where that is. Also the idea that we aren't nice always gets me, we just like privacy and respect. Tight bound communities, that know most everyone in them. Many of us have very old heritages here as well.
I am a Yorker that moved to New England some 58 years ago after I got back from a summer boating on the Mekong River. I consider myself to be a Yankee as are most of my friends. I like it here. Even in the teeth of a howling Nor'easter storm.
The US really is a country of countries. New England, The Mid-Atlantic, the South, Texas, California, Cascadia etc really are their own distinct regions and could easily be countries in their own right. Many regions of the US would likely even thrive as independent countries. However, mountain and Great Plains states like Wyoming, Nebraska, etc would be hugely disadvantaged by this
Not to mention any person of color, women, the poor, the LGBTQ community, and anyone not Christian in like half the states. Yeah, our country kinda sucks but at least some of us are keeping it kinda sane and afloat economically/ culturally.
I think the US is one of these dumb big countries that ought not to exist (I feel the same way about China, Russia - there is such a thing as too big and too powerful). Many smaller regional nations would just make a ton more sense.
Dont forget Appalachia
@@michaelkelmonroe7547 Kinda true but also I don't trust the south with a country again.
@@YouCanCallMeReTro We all know they'd be trying their hardest to reinstate Jim Crow the second they got the opportunity. Awful part of the country.
As a life long New Englander specifically a Bostonian - I could never leave I love it to much with all the history, culture, diversity, excellent education system , great neighbors and a social safety net. We jus elected the first openly gay woman for governor, we had a democratic house with a republican governor and together Mass is number one on the human index scale - I am damn proud of my fellow humans for fostering an amazing state to grow up in so thank you my fellow New Englanders - I want all my fellow Americans to have that same experience ❤
I love Boston - grew up in Brighton back in the 70s. Sadly myself and my entire family are economic refugees. We fled due to the impossible cost of living ie not being able to afford a house on the street we grew up on, nor in any Boston area suburb.
Wow, good use of your knowledge! thank you for sharing, I was not born in Massachusetts but I am a proud New Englander and it makes me so happy to realize that I brought my kids in such a wonderful location of the world. keep up the good work Geoff!! you got a new fan in me!
As someone from Belfast, Northern Ireland who lives in Southern New Hampshire now, I can safely say that I love New England as my adopted home. A colleague from California told me that he sees Californians as friendly but not nice, and New Englanders as nice but not friendly. He gave the example of having a flat tire on your car. In California; "Oh no, you have a flat tire, I'm so sorry to hear that, it's an awful thing to happen. Well, good luck!" Compared to New England; "Oh nice job brainiac, forget to put your glasses on today and hit a pothole?? Here, let me help you get back on the road"
I was born in Boston Massachusetts New England love my Region and history💕🇺🇲🇮🇪💕
Great video! I've always loved the Olde vs Newe England comparisons... Another suggestion for a video? Looking at the 11 mega regions of North America one by one in a series... This really could be considered the first episode...
I LOVE New England…I hated it at first…but then it became sooooooooo wicked sick!
Our weather has become fairly steady too.
Being born and raised in Connecticut, this is a well done presentation. Other interesting points about Connecticut is the first to fly 2 years before the Wright Brothers was Gustave Whitehead who did it with eyewitnesses in Bridgeport Connecticut, New Haven CT is the birthplace and burial place of famous Charles Goodyear of Goodyear Rubber and Tire, the famous Colt Firearms Company in Hartford and the list goes on!!
The Pilgrims first landed on the tip of Cape Cod that you have noted on your map but they didn't actually settle there. They almost immediately set sail again and landed in Plymouth where they created their colony.
They stopped in Eastham where they first encountered Native Americans before moving on to Plymouth.
They found out the cost of real estate on the Cape, and said "Bugger this! Get back on the ship!"
More New England videos please!
Interesting perspective. Thanks for the content.
One thing you missed Fairfield county in Ct would succeed and join New York we are already part of their Tv market separate from the rest of Ct. New York is so close many people commute there and we are recognized as part of the New York metropolitan area along with northern New Jersey.
That was an interesting watch. We had a New Englander visit recently - my Great-Aunt was from Glasgow but moved to near Boston after the war (having fallen in love with a US Serviceman stationed over here), and her son (who was born in over there) was recently on a tour of the Old-Country, visiting extended family, which was nice.
Many of us have grown up with an affinity for the old country. So very many English, Scottish & irish place names here! Many of us are anglophiles for sure!
Just discovered you. Immediate fan and subscriber. This is exactly the sort of content I enjoy and I often play around with maps and look at statistics and wonder "what if these states became their own country", or a city, or countries merging into one, etc. Simple enjoyable fun.
Vermont was its own Country when they broke off from New York for about 12 years before joining the United States
So I live near New Bedford and I think the #1 fishing port in the world would be worth mentioning in future videos.
I do love this concept for a format. I will subscribe and watch others. Thanks .
Great video! As a life-long Mainer, I have often thought about this! I would be interested to see how one might divide the rest of the country up...mid-atlantic states, the west coast, midwest etc.
Take a look at “American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America” (or one of the articles based on it). The author makes a good case for 11 major cultural regions.
Hello from Cambridge,MA! This is a very interesting idea!
Portlands importance is significantly understated by it population, its out there all by its self and is therefore the cultural and business capital of the large landmass with over 1.3 million people that is Maine. its the home of basically every large Maine company.
I lived in South Portland while in the USCG. It is truly an amazing gem!! Loved it!
Maine is a rockstar power house of a state. Portland is the hub lined with buildings circa 1675. But then add the timber industry and fishing industry.
@@jamiemunn9200 I'm a South Portlander! I'm glad you like it!
The southwestern part of the state is actually apart of the new york metro area, but the hartford and Springfield metro (knowledge corridor) puts it in immediately as the second largest in New England
Thank you for bringing this up. Hartford and Springfield are 22 miles apart, but somehow not the same metro or media market...
@@jimcase6950 Not completely true. I am in a Massachusetts border town. We share radio stations and TV stations. I often shop in Enfield. My dog's vet is in Stafford Springs. We think nothing of going into Connecticut for live entertainment.
@@kathmandu2285 But.... they still aren't the same metro or media market. Yes, there is crossover, and they should be, but statistically, they are not, which is BS.
And if your ever in Plymouth they have the Plimoth patuxet museum. Very cool Native American village with all the huts and a old colonial village. Usually a field trip for the younger grades but still a very great time to walk around and see how life was for both sides back then.
Interesting thought experiment. This is making me wonder whether there is a coherent Atlantic border region composed of New England + the Canadian Maritimes, similar to Cascadia in the Pacific Northwest? A sort of cultural region based on mentality and lifestyle but also climate and landscapes. Would this "Atlantic Cascadia" be called "The Lobster Empire" or "Nova Anglia", and would its "center of gravity" (politically and economically) be in Portland, Maine?
Had they been thinking geopolitically, New England should have stretched its borders to the Hudson River in the west and the St. Lawrence River in the north. Those are very natural boundaries. But for whatever reason New Englanders just didn't care about navigable rivers. New York City was originally settled by a mix of the Dutch and New Englanders, so they're kind of like half-siblings, whereas the Maritimes are more like cousins. There's a family resemblance, but they've lived apart and followed a different story.
Boston is already the dominant city of the Maritimes as well as New England. There is a strong connection by blood as well as culture [I have Canadian maternal as well as paternal aunts] between New England and the Maritimes, and there is a large Irish immigrant population in both regions. Many French and English Canadians live and work here, as Boston is the economic hub of the entire region. There was speculation that Quebec Independence would drive the Maritimes into literal, or maybe defacto, joining the US or closer connection to Boston and New England. The strongest link to the US is that the Revolution started here, and the area has produced many presidents since Adams [#2]. The US is basically a European country, and New England is moreso.
@@JMM33RanMA I confess I've been quietly hoping for another Quebecois independence movement to increase the prospects of linking up New England with the Maritimes, although I feel a little bad about wishing that de-stabilization upon Canada. I do wonder though if PEI and its small population would be accepted as a state in the US or even an independent New England, and how they'd react to likely proposals that they merge with New Brunswick or Nova Scotia instead.
ATLANTICA! VS CASCADIA! ;-)
The Canadian maritimes are culturally similar to Maine but it’s pretty starkly different from the rest of New England and they don’t have strong economic ties with us like BC does to WA and OR
Not mentioning the Hartford Convention where New England very nearly declared independence during the war of 1812 in our timeline was a very big oversight
I love New England so much. I’ve lived all over the US and the quality of life here is simply unbeatable. Can’t be pulled away.
Thankyou for a proper narration (no robo-voice) and no music!
It would be extremely interesting to watch a series of videos describing how each US state would survive as an independent country!
The Economist magazine did that about 5 years ago - compared each state separately against all other countries. England's standard of living, wages, etc was on par with Alabama. We don't know how good we have it here sometimes. CT had the 3rd highest standard of living in the world; NY was 5th and Mass 6th as I recall.
Vermont was the only Country outside the United States for about 12 years
The border between Greenwich CT and Rye NY would be a very strange international border. The border goes down the center line of King Street. It would be like Derby Line VT but with a major highway, airport, and thousands of people.
I’m from Massachusetts, when to college there and I love it. My husband and I moved to DC “temporarily” he said for his job 15 years ago and I am still waiting to go home. I miss it almost every day and people who never lived there will never understand what it’s like to live in New England.
wonderful video! There were facts thi, life long, New Englander whose ancestors go back to the great migration on both sides of the family, did not know!! I am so proud of my deep roots here and have learned fascinating stories about some of my famous ancestors!! Thank you !!
New England areas combined would be similar to Korean Peninsula land areas. Both places share similar weather and people's attitude too.
As someone from Massachusetts I was waiting for you to say Worcester, and you did not disappoint. People always say "Worcester", "Warwick", "Peabody", "Scituate", "Quincy", and honestly... a lot of them incorrectly (Like War-chester, War-sess-tir)
(Wuss-stir, war-rick, pee-bəddy, Skit-chew-it (but more slurred), Quins-zee)
And for additional context ə is like the e in problem, it's like the intermediate vowel sound.
hehe, yeah, I love watching people not from NE try and pronounce Haverhill. ^_^
@Doom Nereid it Glostir
I live just outside of Boston now, but grew up in Pawtucket RI. It’s always easy to tell when radio an TV commercials are made out of state. They pronounce Puhtuhkuht the way it’s spelled and it’s never not funny.
“I need a cab to…. B….ball….ballareecka?”
There's nothing more American than being from New England
First time watching this channel and a get a total "fun with flags" vibe from it
I am a lifelong New England resident and here’s what I can say about it.
1. The education thing really hits home, but since I have moved to Maine it is a little different from Mass for sure.
2. It’s Wuh-ster pronounced like that.
3. The culture up here really is self sufficient. Most people in New England stay within the bounds of Connecticut at least 90-95% of the time
4. If you live in New England though, you know Connecticut isn’t really New England it’s an unspoken truth lol.
damn the Connecticut hate but tbf not wrong and i live here
As a CT resident I'd take it as an insult if you called me a New Englander
@Atl-jv1kw you guys are basically an extension of New York, which isn't a terrible thing, lol
As a Rhode Islander, I fully support a fully independent “Republic Of New England”…liberal dedicated and progressive without the “holier than thou” California attitude…
You need to visit outside of providence a little more! that holier=than-thou attitude is alive and well! Try being anything but a Looney Leftist and you will experience it!
As another Rhode Islander, I agree.
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Hello fellow Rhode Islanders!
What a great job you did on the video ..New England is a great place to bring up a family and live most people are extremely kind . And it’s true we do all know each other somehow !
Living in CT all I can think about is The Jet engine manufacturer (Pratt and Whitney), Yale, historic weathersfield and Farmington, and mark twain house.
Interesting video, you did leave out though that New England was very close with Canada and did not appreciate the war of 1812. In those still early days of the Union there were strong movements in the New England area that wanted to leave the Union and be independent or join up with Canada. Now this of course never happened but I remeber we talked about it at the University; Would the Civil war still have happened in the 1860s if New England broke away in the 1810s? One of those interesting "what if"-scenarios.
Surprisingly there are a lot of countries that are that small. I was looking at a map of Italy the other day, and Central Italy is only about 100 miles across.
'Warchester' lol! love it. Nice video
I think it's lovely to be born and live in New England where, as you can see from the comments, we are like all human beings...all different personalities and ideas. Be happy and safe everyone.
Being a native New Englander, I always dreamt that it could be its own country. I believe we would be so better off.
Same here
You forgot to include some cities…notably Springfield (4th largest in New England I believe behind Boston, providence, and Worcester. In Mass Fall River and New Bedford are both larger than Portland and Burlington and about on par with new haven.
Great video 🇺🇸
You should do what if the Midatlantic was it’s own country. It has a lot of people and economic power so it’d be interesting to see
That would be awkward for southwest Connecticut which would be disconnected from New York, which they are strongly intertwined.
As they are Yankee fans and not fans of the Red Sox, the Connecticut borders would be different.
8:23 I also called it War-chester when I first moved to Massachusetts.
Learning this in class… thanks for the recap lol
There are many more ethnically Hispanic Americans in new England than you’d think. Cities that used to be majority Italian in Massachusetts are rapidly being replaced with Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and Salvadorans. I’d say almost half of students at my medium-sized high school were Hispanic.
When you talk about ethnically Hispanic American, what exactly do you mean because Latin America is very diverse, while countries like Mexico have a population that is mostly of indigenous origin or descendants of the Aztecs and Mayans, there are countries like Argentina where the majority of the population is of European origin, such as Spaniards, Italians, Germans, and so on. There is no such thing as an ethnically Hispanic American. The inhabitants of these countries are, like the inhabitants of the United States, of different origins, and in many of these countries the majority are of indigenous origin, for which it does not seem appropriate to call them Hispanic, it is like calling Native Americans Anglos. You also mentioned countries where many of the inhabitants are of African origin. In the United States, there are also many people of African origin, as well as Irish or German origin, can we call them all ethnically Anglo-American? It is incomprehensible that in the United States this mistake is still made, the only thing that all these countries have in common is the language, just as the United States has the language in common with the United Kingdom, Ireland, Jamaica and some African countries. When Latino institutions and organizations refer to themselves as such, they do so not in an ethnic but in a cultural sense because ethnically Latinos are as diverse as Americans, therefore, there are Irish, African, Italian, German, etc. culturally Latinos.Although obviously the emigration that the United States receives is that of the poorest people, which are those of native origin from these countries and those of African descent. In short, there is no such thing as ethnically Hispanic American but rather culturally Hispanic or Latin. By calling them all Latinos you are denying them their nationality, something you would not do to an Irish or a Briton or an Italian.
@@jgjg26 Your point is not lost on me that ethnicity and culture are different things, and that assuming homogeneity among the population of a highly diverse country is folly. I don’t make any of those assumptions, but in a highly complex system such as the demographic one that we live in, it is easier to speak in general terms - thus using the term “hispanic,” as it is more useful than going into detail about the specific backgrounds of each person. I also take your point that these groupings are not necessarily perfectly reflective of what they represent (culture, genetics, ethnicity) - I also agree that race is not a very good tool for engaging people in this world. However, using it as a demographic tool can be useful to reflect some things: for example, if you check the box that says “hispanic or Latino,” you have most likely descended from people who at some point lived in a place where Spanish or Portuguese was the majority language. It’s a bit pedantic to argue otherwise. My point in leaving my comment was to highlight that a very large demographic change has indeed occurred in the area which I grew up, not whether it is a good or a bad thing. That change - to your point - is actually much more nuanced than it looks on paper. Still, on the ground level, the gaps between the dominant cultures and languages are what the people in that changing population feel. Older folks in my community are sort of in culture shock at how much the area has changed - neighborhoods they grew up in no longer speak the same dominant language, places they used to visit no longer exist. Again, it’s not a bad thing necessarily, it happens everywhere all the time as part of the never ending flourishing and settling of peoples all over the world. It’s part of why the American experiment is so interesting.
@@YeszCore It is that most people in these countries are not descendants of Spanish or Portuguese. In most Latin American countries, the vast majority are descendants of the original natives of the area, now scattered among different countries, who speak Spanish or, in Brazil, Portuguese. In Argentina or Uruguay, there are more descendants of Italians than of Spaniards. In Brazil, there are more descendants of Italians than of Portuguese. Something nice that you will find in Argentina is that they are Italians who speak Spanish. The Spanish surnames do not mean that they are descendants of Spaniards, but rather that they are the surnames imposed by the Spanish colonizers. The majority of the population in these countries is of native origin, except in countries such as Argentina, where the vast majority are of European origin (with the second largest Jewish community on the continent coming from Eastern Europe) or from countries such as Cuba or Colombia where the majority of the population is of African descent or mixed with African descendants. The ties with Spain are practically reduced to the language, Spaniards descendants are a minority.. The point is not to call them Latinos, but Americans, because they are in the American continent, Latin americans, or to call them by the name of the country they come from. To call them Latinos is still something contemptuous. It is enough to treat them in the same way as Europeans, who are called Europeans or by their nationality. Yes, they speak Spanish but they have a nationality, just as Canadians or Americans who speak English have a nationality. I don't know if you have talked to many Latin Americans but they find all this ridiculous, they complain that a Mexican has nothing to do with a Dominican or Chilean beyond speaking the same language. As ridiculous as calling Canadians, Americans, Jamaicans, and other Anglo-Americans. If these countries are called Latin America, then Canada and the United States should be called Anglo-America. You will see the racist concept behind this, because these are generally poor countries that are even denied their own nationality. When a Mexican and a Chilean are discriminated against and called Latinos because they speak Spanish and come from the South, from poor countries, they have no choice but to unite to fight against this discrimination, even if they only have the language in common. In Europe there are countries that speak French, such as France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and countries that speak German, such as Germany, part of Switzerland, Austria, etc., or English, such as the United Kingdom and Ireland, but no ethnic concept is applied to them, although in general there is ethnic homogeneity among them. Latin American countries are not ethnically homogeneous, but very diverse, and yet an ethnic concept is applied to them that does not exist among them.
I live in New England, specifically Connecticut. A very, very nice place.
except in the winter!
@@inconnu4961 Unhappily true.
The taxes in New England are crazy. Everybody who can seems to be moving to Florida or N. Carolina. New Hampshire is the only lower tax state
Horrible drivers, though. Just AWFUL.
@@seanmckenna6147True. I’ve had a half dozen relatives move down to NC/Tennessee in the last 5 years
I think even New Englanders pronounce it Worcester (Wuh'ster) not "War-Chester"! Really interesting to see the towns where I grew up in Southwest England giving their name to so many in New England. Perhaps more nostalgic Americans should visit the original Plymouth, Barnstaple, Bideford, Exeter, and so on.
Massachusetts has at least 104 English names for cities, towns and counties, starting with Amesbury and ending with Yarmouth. (Click here for a complete list of U.S. places named after places in England.)
They do. It’s pronounced “wuhster” in New England.
Fun fact - I went to see Ringo Starr and the All Starr Band play in Worcester a few years ago. On the way to the show, folks in the entourage taught Ringo how to pronounce "Wuh'stah" properly. The crowed enjoyed hearing him show it off! LOL
I would love to see the English towns and cities our towns and cities were named after. Specifically Plymouth, Middlebury, Bedford, Wareham, Dartmouth, Rochester, Pembroke, Tiverton, Taunton, Raynham, Berkeley, Dighton, Attleborough, Foxborough, Wrentham, Somerset, Swansea, Barrington, and Bristol
“War-chester” oh maaaaaaan, you had me until then. 🤦🏻♀️ LOL.
Is the “No Taxation without Representation (But we actually do)” bit a reference to American territories such as Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico and how they can’t vote in Congress or for President? If so, it should also be known that these territories have chosen to keep their status and haven’t tried for statehood or independence yet
It would be interesting to see "what if the northeast was a country?" I guess this would include: DC, MD, DE, PA, NJ, NY, & NE. While there is a separation between mid atlantic and new england I think most northesterners would see themselves as culturally separate from the rest of the US.
No.
@@Manwalkerinpark damn wish we had dislikes on comments show
Odds are we’ll live long enough to see that happen based of how this country is going. That would be a powerhouse country, not to mention, a city with all the Government offices you could ever need, already built!
@@rogovideo937 I dunno ... would you put the capital in dc? Seems like a poor strategic location if right across the river is another potentially hostile nation... as things stand I would not be completely against it.
@@katecosta571 I think that country would probably stretch from the Canadian maritimes down to North Carolina, excluding the western parts of Virginia and NC. It might not be the best spot but it’s already there and would save billions, plus be up and running instantly while everyone else will be playing catch-up. Personally, I’m hoping for a break up, it’s time each region goes it own way IMO.
Ct also has a city called New London on the shore, and the river that cuts through that city is called the Thames river. Ct also has new Britain, Berlin Manchester plus a ton of towns named after towns in Great Britain.
There are also a lot of hiking trails in New England, including part of the Appalachian Trail.
As a born and bred New Englander of almost 50 years? At this point I wish we could petition to become the next six Canadian provinces (heck Maine might as well be a Maritime province once you get up past Augusta anyhow!)
Only reason it hasn’t happened already is because we could never get New Hampshire, aka the Alabama of the Northeast, to sign on to it 😂😂😂
In defense of New Hampshire, some of us don't enjoy being taxed to death by the government.
That's not the only reason. You're suggesting that the Boston Bruins become Canadian? Are you out of your mind? Canada has its own problems. No thanks
I wish New England was our own country, lol. Ideally along with New York, but I'd be down with just our six states as well.
New England, New York, New Brunswick, New Jersey, and the Maritimes. Some of northern Maine and northern New Brunswick would need to go to Quebec. Southern New Jersey would need to go to a mid Atlantic state.
New York?! Get out of here with that. Take Connecticut with you.
@@ScreaminEmu You'd be taking a city that is responsible for a disproportionate amount of America's current wealth. If New England combined with NYC metro area it'd be ridiculously wealthy. The remainder of USA would struggle to adapt massively.
It’s starting to be tempting! I’m proud of New England and will never leave.
As a New Englander, I would love to be a separate country full of cities, forests, beautiful hikes, and black bears.
As a native New Englander, I love this video except for one tiny detail: Wor-chester 😩 Wuh-stah 😍
How do you get Wustah from Worcester?
@@willp.8120 I dunno, man... That's the way it is. I guess it's just been nearly 400 years of slooooowly degrading the Queen's English. 🤣
@@bos2pdx2yvr Well, we say Atlanna not Atlanta here in Georgia.
@@willp.8120 I liked Atlanta when I visited, but must confess had a hard time understanding yall when you spoke so darn fast! And the rural parts of northern GA did NOT like seeing my yankee license plates! LOL creeped me out, man!
No one outside of NE can pronounce Worcester. Haverhill is a close second. And Billerica also comes to mind. Buzz Feed did a segment on it and it was hilarious!! ruclips.net/video/AckzNzbF5E4/видео.html
As a New Englander this video puts into perspective how impressive we are
Awesome video
& no big, but on the history portion King Phillip's War, The Salem Witch Trials, & The French & Indian War were pretty significant events
It is important to note that while New Hampshire is highly reliant on tourism, it generally hates those to the south, Massachusetts in particular, where those residents are seen as encroaching on New Hampshire's way of life, not to mention Massachusetts' high rate of taxation and terribly restrictive gun laws, which are in stark contrast to New Hamphire's. You would be more apt to have New Hampshire establish itself as it's own republic when the U.S. disintegrates.
New Hampshire does have the right to revolution in its state constitution
Beautiful lakes and mountains but Southern NH is the Boston exurbs. Lots of cars head south into MA every morning. Not so many heading north.
I often think about this. I also wonder what would happen if the far eastern Canadian provinces were to join in with New England. Geologically and culturally it would make a lot of sense.
The book "The Eight Nations of North America," discussed this at legnth.
It was discussed when Quebec Province was trying to secede from the rest of Canada
I could see Springfield Mass as the capitol, it's easy to get to from the rest of New England, was the site of a federal armory, and being inland with mountains to the west and north, more defensible than coastal Boston.
@@P.90.603 So does Hartford but it’s still Ct’s capital
Your dot on Massachusetts where the pilgrims landed shows the area near Provincetown, but they landed in Plymouth on the main land, not the cape!
I always thought about how different the region and country would’ve been if Southern Quebec, The Maritime Provinces, and maybe even Newfoundland had also decided to secede from Britain. I mean geographically they do look like they should be part of the US and New England. Would they have been considered part of New England too? New England really wouldn’t have existed at all if they never broke away from Britain. Also, with parts of Quebec and New Brunswick joining, it could’ve created a huge tension between the French and the English in the area
As a New Englander from New Hampshire, I have a feeling the soldiers of New England (if it was a country) would come from mostly New Hampshire and Maine. Sharpshooters from mostly Maine because they have more diverse animals to than most other New England states, such as Caribou. New Hampshire I feel like would be the state where most soldiers would come from, because here, we act like a boat load of hicks and some are red necks. We also love to show off our guns, metaphorically and literally.
It wasn't "ironic" that the Puritans imposed their religion on others, they didn't flee england to found a society with religious freedom, they left to found a puritanical society. What they wanted was not relgious freedom, but the freedom to practice THEIR religion, and to force it on others.
Because forcing religion on people was de rigeur for the time period! try to stop seeing things from the past with your modern, 'evolved' perspective! no wonder people like you are so filled with hate! Tell us what a nice peaceful man Che guevera was while your at it!
It was funny when he mentioned the Puritans escaping England to avoid religious persecution lol they did flee to avoid persecution...for wanting to impose their views and puritanism on everyone who was sane😂
Four of my ancestors arrived on the Mayflower, one dying the first winter. And my family has live in New England ever since.
Ayyyyyy NH mentioned!
as a Mainer, I support this proposition.
You missed an important point that City names are not pronounced phonetically. We don't say Wor-chester, it's pronounced Wooster. Greenwich CT is not Green-witch its Gren-ich