I loved Version 2, crazy good shoe! But if i'm gonna buy Superblast 2 i'm in no need for another stacked shoe. I will probably going to buy another version 2 again!
I cannot call 11-12 OZ a racing shoe, - 8-9 OZ is the target weight for me and for some reason this is the most important attribute. Recently - Saucony Endorphin Pro/2 my favorites ( 8 oz) not 12, but I get it, Puma looks great otherwise. Thanks for the review..!
Curious - why get Superblast 2 and not the DN3? Asking because I have both DN2 and Superblast 1 (love both) and am considering between DN3 and Superblast 2 now
@@teewaikay as a heavier than normal guy, i love dn2 for speed sessions and medium distances but i don't trust myself wearing them for sessions that take longer than an hour.
Shoe manufacturers should really have a massive justification for increasing weight in running shoes from one version to another. Does not sound like Puma can justify the weight in this case. Might be more tempted to try the Mizuno Rebellion Flash 2 when the DN2s are due for replacement.
Probably I will hunt for second pair of DN2 on bargain. I feel like DN3E is really big step forward in Deviate Elite series but I'm not sure where Puma want to be in Deviate series. DN2 was maybe too good shoe and maybe it should stay on the market and still be produced as benchmark shoe.
Not a fan of the loud Nitro logo. It reminds me of the 'Speed' logo Skechers did with some of their models a few years back. Looks tacky but each to their own.
v2 is one of my favorites, but it is the shoe where my feet overpronates the most. It's due to the narrow base on the midfoot. And it's not just narrow, it's angled like an "S" so the inner/medial side of my midfoot is practically hanging on air. The 2nd issue is the pointy toebox. My toes aren't allowed to splay naturally. Other than that I love the overall feel of the shoe. Just need to navigate more carefully on flat surfaces. I wish they made the toebox similar to the Foreverrun, and widened the base on the midfoot. They could have resized the small cutout to avoid adding weight. Oh well, I guess they didn't want to change it too much, but I think it's too little too late.
Heavier and a greater drop. What a shame. Wont be buying these. Its either dn2 again if still available when i need a replqcement or something new. Its to make the elite more worth buying
Really enjoyed 2 for long runs, daily runs and 5k tempo runs but midsole started to bottom out at 300km eventually taken out of rotation at 400km. Oh and sometimes between then it started to shed pieces of the outsole.
ruclips.net/video/uCMTK3aepp4/видео.html hey cat what do you think ? My Deviate 2 have just completed 1000 km. and they still struggle, I was thinking of buying the v3...but now that I've seen all of these for minors, I just bought the Asics magic speed 3 although maybe it would have been better to decide on the adidas boston 12
The Boston 12 is a good shoe. More comparable weight to the deviate 2. The 3 is a nice model but the extra heft and firmer nature might mean a few customers go elsewhere.
I don't like the endorphin speed. I over pronate and my calfs hurt when I wear them cuz the cushions too soft. I think these pumas would be better since they're stiffer on the cushion
I got an early version of this shoe from a French company that didn't respect the release date. 😂 I have 100 km on them. I think it's an improvement except for the heel fit for me. I had the same size as the Deviate 2s (men's North American size 9). I wish they would have made the heel like the Velocity 3s. I wouldn't say I like the heels as, like you, I had a heel slip in my left shoe, but not the right shoe with average lacing. 🤷🏻 I don't usually do a runner's loop, but for this shoe, I did, which solved the problem, but the heel is a fail IMHO. And that external heel shark thingy should be forgotten as it doesn't do anything that I could tell. As you mentioned, a simple, boring, harder insert heel counter works well and would have improved the heel. I don't care about the weight as I will use it for a daily trainer and the Velocity 3s, which I will likely use more than this one. I prefer this upper over the last version, except for the heel fit. Thanks for the candid review. 😊
Man that Nitro logo makes me wince every time I see it. I really don't think we're in the era of foams selling shoes anymore, when the performance of foams seem to vary wildly per shoe.
The Novablast 3 and 4 are equally loud to this, for me. I feel like I’m a fairly nimble runner but the world knows when I’m coming in either of those lol
I had the v2 and put over 300 miles in them but I thought after after 150 miles the midsole lost its spark and it was then a bit of a slog to run in. I'll probably wait until this version is discounted, or maybe even go for the SL2
I bought the V2 after watching your review and I love them. Can't say I'm a fan of the NITRO logo on the V3 but if they run as well as the V2 then I guess I'll put up with it
Does anyone have both the DN3 and Superblast V2 and able to share which one they prefer? I am aware the former is plated and the latter isn't so may not be in the same "category" but am torn between these two offerings. FWIW I have both the DN2 and Superblast V1 and LOVE both.
I alternate between my Puma DN2 and Superblast version 1s and honestly think if I can, I will just pick up another pair of each as opposed to there respective updates.
Thanks for the review. Strange that they didn't fit the heel issue by narrowing down to more of a v shape than the rounded heel - which they did change between the VN2 and VN3. Didn't bother me much - but I know it did for some people. Somehow this colourway (and big logo!) doesn't look as good as it does on the Elite V3. However, I see Puma have 4 other colourways already available as of today. Loved the DN2, but will give this one a miss for now. The Brooks Hyperion Max 2 could well be the better alternative for me. Similar specs - looks great in the pics as well (plus big Brooks logo on the side!)
V2 feels like 6mm drop rather than 8mm stated in some websites, when comparing with other 6/8 mm shoes. I love the 6mm drop and am quite hesitated about stated 10mm drop.
Thanks buddy. A new version is supposed to improve on the previous one and this one does the opposite it seems. Both upper (which was perfect in the DN2, why the hell change it...) and midsole a little degraded, plus the shoe is heavier. as well? Summary: Puma completely failed here. What a shame. How difficult was it to at least not degrade it?! Only the looks are improved, but that won't be enough to persuade me. Good stuff Puma, I have 2 DN2's and I really wanted to add some variety and you give me the perfect excuse lol. Still tempted by the DN3 elite though, to put on whenever I feel like a PB, which is almost never nowadays!
Hi Eddbud I’m 6ft 2 and 18 stone with a bad back. Decent national runner back in the day 32 min 10k times. Just starting to get back into running with some long walks to start off with. What shoe would you recommend for me that will take me from walking to running? Any advice would be welcome thanks
Picked up a pair of the Pums’s as suggested, great shoe. Also bought the ASICS Nimbus 25s to rotate. Very different but love them both, thanks for advice.
Forgive me Ed for not watching the whole video but became obvious half way through that these are not going to top my much loved V2 which I have just 150 miles on so tons of miles left so it will be a nay for this version. Thanks Ed 👍
The weight increase can probably be explained as Puma attempting to reposition the Deviate Nitro as their "super trainer" rather than the more speed shoe it was before. Looking at their Nitro lineup right now you have the Fast-R as their out-and-out marathon option, the Fast-FWD as their 5k/10k racer and speed shoe(so their Takumi Sen equivalent even if it is a bit pricier RRP), the Deviate Nitro Elite 3 as their more versatile option that can do both and the likes of the Velocity, Magnify and Foreverrun filling in the various other roles. What they're missing is a "super trainer"; essentially built like a daily trainer but with the foam, plates and technology that started out in top end shoes and designed to be a versatile shoe that can do everything pretty well but is probably best as a long-run shoe for marathon training. Hence this; heavier because the focus has changed from being an uptempo daily trainer you can do fast efforts and speed sessions in (which the 2 was) to being a daily trainer you can do long efforts at marathon pace in. Will it work? I'm not sure for this first take on it. Outside of someone who desperately needs the best outsole Puma's selling point has always been value; their shoes may be just a *tiny* bit worse than comparable options from other brands but they're also considerably cheaper (and tend to be more durable). On paper that's the same here; at RRP £150 it's considerably cheaper than most of the super trainer type shoes from the other brands. The problem is most of those brands are onto the second or third version of their super trainer or at the very least are soon to release an update. That means discounts for those older editions and from the reviews of this shoe I've seen so far it's going to be hard to recommend this over a discounted Speed 3, Superblast, SC trainer, Boston 12 etc. Now almost every shoe struggles to win a value battle against discounted previous editions but that becomes more of an issue when being good value is one of the biggest selling points. My cynical side also thinks that maybe they've got a lot of Fast-FWD's hanging around in warehouses and they don't want to risk cannibalizing their sales. The Deviate Nitro Elite is already a lightweight carbon-plated racer that is really good at shorter distances while also being able to handle the longer ones in the way a Fast-FWD basically can't. If the plain Deviate Nitro was still a really lightweight plated daily trainer than could do speed sessions really well then there'd be even more questions about what the point of the Fast-FWD is then their already are. This way at least they can point to the Fast-FWD and say it's the one you want for 5k/10k races and any speed focused training.
I also experience heel slip on v2. I think it is the convex & concave shape inside the heel. The concave is only 50% not holding anything and convex or padded area is 50%. Other good fitting shoes have concave 75% & convex 25% shape, so it is actually holding the heel down. ~ Hopefully we see some cut in half review to finally confirm the stack height.
Feels like the changes are intended to differentiate it even more from the Deviate Elite this time. Makes sense for them to encourage people to go for the more expensive model, but a little disappointing for those of us who love the version 2.
Would this be better for say training (such as running and hyrox) and the elite version just for racing? Or could you do all training aswell in elite version...or would this ruin the shoe quickly?
Ed, thanks for the review, try several Puma running shoes, such as Forever Nitro, Magnify Nitro, sizing is always the issue for me… size 5 are too big and size 4.5 is too narrow in the toe box. Sadly in the end, I have returned them all. I am also slightly overpronate not sure the DN3 is good for overpronate or not? Any advice?
Kinda like that Nitro logo tbh…it’s big, it’s brash but then why not shout the fact you’ve invested in your running & your fitness? But then, almost immediately, insidiously, the English reserve kicks in…and the beige nondescripts get another outing :(
That is very weird on the stack height. They advertise the US Men's 9 as 39.5 or so mm. Bizarre they only sized up the stack height on the forefoot of your skis. Bigger shoe = less drop?
@@EDDBUD great to know as I’m thinking over buying the deviate 3 vs the brooks hyperion max… I prefer a softer ride but not squishy…decisions decisions
"Updates," sometimes scare me with these kinds of things, and in this case, it's almost the case...maybe. The V1 (on YOUR recommendation, BTW) became an instant favorite, along with its racing sibling, both a kind of Goldilocks shoe for me. I'm cautiously considering.
I logged 900k with v.2. In the beginning, I didn't like them, but they were a real workhorse. Only caveat for puma, they did not come in half sizes for sizes above 11uk. The increase in weight for the v.3 will probably hold me away for my 11.5uk (if they made it available). Good job Ed
Didn't get along with the V2 really. Felt super firm to me in the forefoot so I'll just go for the SB V2 and be done. Maybe the Mizuno Flash 2 to complement the SB V2...
@@tadejdanev5030 So many other better super trainers to me. I got mine for $65US on eBay so gave them away after 50 miles. The upper was far to warm for me also. It's 100+F and very high dew points here from April until mid September. Just was an OK shoe to me. If I had paid full price, I would have really been disappointed. I run in all brands (have probably 20 shoes in rotation), do some wear testing for brands and run 50-65mpw. Loved the Nitro Elite V1 & V2 and got along great with the Velocity V1/V2.
Video idea for you… a series of videos called “music that keeps me moving”. You could recommend music for long endurance runs or up-tempo runs etc. I’d love to see you do some commentary and recommendations. I’d certainly watch those videos too! Keep up the great work!
I'm still waiting for David Bowie "Let's Dance" to be the musical interlude. I mean the music video is the greatest video of all time. Even my favorite line: "If you say run, I'll run with you'. Kudos to the nuclear explosion and awesome actual pub dancing.
Thank you, you are honest and give useful and accurate information. I would buy it for walking only and for daily use only. Are there other good and comfortable alternatives for walking and daily use?
I use all the eyelets whenever possible. Two shoes where that really helped the lockdown were the ZoomX Invincible and the Pegasus 39. But I had to replace the stock laces to do it.
The big nitro on the shoe doesn't bother me as they're on my feet so the feeling is the important bit...the V2 is nice used them for a half and we're fine. Now waiting for price crash of the V2 to pick up a spare pair.
Great video as always, any particular shoe you would recommend if on marathon prep but having to go on a family holiday to Disney world in, a bit of a do it all shoe where I can get some training in combined with 20,000+ steps a day ? I don’t want to sacrifice the shoes in my current rotation 😂
Interesting review. I can't see a world where I won't buy a pair of these, but I'll definitely wait for them to get rid of that Nitro text on other models. V2 was my parkrun shoe of choice, interesting you think this'll be better at longer distance stuff.
@@EDDBUD After a few runs, I’m absolutely loving these. Great ride, cushion, and support; excellent build quality, and they look great too. I should’ve bought a few more pairs when they were on sale. I’m also using SL2, ride/cushion is excellent, feels very similar, almost identical to Deviate; however, my feet are rolling inward a little in SL2 (I have low arches). Of course SL2 doesn’t have replaceable insole 🤣😭.
Hi Edd. I am a huge fan of your channel. However most of the time you tend to skip the toebox width even if you don't have those stats do you mind at least to mention how it feels when running? Thank you
@EDDBUD I thought about the width of the shoes. You are an expert and to you it's enough to say typical puma shape and you know what it is or what it feels like. To me when I look for shoes it is vital to know if it will comfortably accommodate my feet. Are they narrow, narrowish, just about roomy enough or wide. That sort of thing 😳 Particularly when it comes to daily trainers when I'll spend most of my runs in them 🤗 Please consider this addition to your reviews. Thank you
I loved Version 2, crazy good shoe! But if i'm gonna buy Superblast 2 i'm in no need for another stacked shoe. I will probably going to buy another version 2 again!
I cannot call 11-12 OZ a racing shoe, - 8-9 OZ is the target weight for me and for some reason this is the most important attribute. Recently - Saucony Endorphin Pro/2 my favorites ( 8 oz) not 12, but I get it, Puma looks great otherwise. Thanks for the review..!
same, i have 2 pairs of dn2, so I would prolly get dne3 rather.
Curious - why get Superblast 2 and not the DN3? Asking because I have both DN2 and Superblast 1 (love both) and am considering between DN3 and Superblast 2 now
@@teewaikay as a heavier than normal guy, i love dn2 for speed sessions and medium distances but i don't trust myself wearing them for sessions that take longer than an hour.
Where we could you find Superblast 2? They are sold out everywhere, even on eBay in Japan
Congratulations on reaching 52k. I can't believe I've been here since the beginning.
Thank you so much!!
I loved the first version but the v2 somehow didn' t do it for me. A bit disappointing that this v3 now has gone up in weight.
Shoe manufacturers should really have a massive justification for increasing weight in running shoes from one version to another. Does not sound like Puma can justify the weight in this case. Might be more tempted to try the Mizuno Rebellion Flash 2 when the DN2s are due for replacement.
First, my PB on this channel! Lol
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YEAH BABY, GIMME DAT NITRO 💣💥
Multiple lines of 'Southgate, you're the one, you still turn me on' is enough to give anyone a viral condition 🤢
Hope you don’t have glow worms.
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So you listened to the track too 😂 I don’t remember it charting but the internet says it got to 14 on the hit parade
Good job Edd. Thinking of trying Diadora any time soon?
Maybe sometime if I can get a good deal
@@EDDBUDthe Diadora Winner. At the time an elite Tennis 🎾 shoe in the 90s.
If you have the V2 this one isn't worth the upgrade?
They are very close
Don’t think I’ll be getting the DN3. Will dig out my DN2 again in the winter.
I use the V2 version for light trail races,great energy return and very comfy
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Probably I will hunt for second pair of DN2 on bargain. I feel like DN3E is really big step forward in Deviate Elite series but I'm not sure where Puma want to be in Deviate series. DN2 was maybe too good shoe and maybe it should stay on the market and still be produced as benchmark shoe.
Not a fan of the loud Nitro logo. It reminds me of the 'Speed' logo Skechers did with some of their models a few years back. Looks tacky but each to their own.
First one 🤗
Just bought the v2 today on massive discount! Was eyeing the rebel v4 until I saw this at the outlet mall.
It’s a banger
Rebel 4 is a gorgeous ride.
Did you buy your original size or go up a size?
where?
How much did you pay?
Been waiting for you to do this. Always the first puma review guy. 💪🏾
Wanted to get some decent miles in first. It’s very much like the v2 for me
v2 is one of my favorites, but it is the shoe where my feet overpronates the most. It's due to the narrow base on the midfoot. And it's not just narrow, it's angled like an "S" so the inner/medial side of my midfoot is practically hanging on air. The 2nd issue is the pointy toebox. My toes aren't allowed to splay naturally. Other than that I love the overall feel of the shoe. Just need to navigate more carefully on flat surfaces. I wish they made the toebox similar to the Foreverrun, and widened the base on the midfoot. They could have resized the small cutout to avoid adding weight. Oh well, I guess they didn't want to change it too much, but I think it's too little too late.
Heavier and a greater drop. What a shame. Wont be buying these. Its either dn2 again if still available when i need a replqcement or something new. Its to make the elite more worth buying
No the drop is the same. I mention this early on
Really enjoyed 2 for long runs, daily runs and 5k tempo runs but midsole started to bottom out at 300km eventually taken out of rotation at 400km. Oh and sometimes between then it started to shed pieces of the outsole.
that's a shame. just hit 600km in my pair - love them
ruclips.net/video/uCMTK3aepp4/видео.html hey cat what do you think ? My Deviate 2 have just completed 1000 km. and they still struggle, I was thinking of buying the v3...but now that I've seen all of these for minors, I just bought the Asics magic speed 3 although maybe it would have been better to decide on the adidas boston 12
The Boston 12 is a good shoe. More comparable weight to the deviate 2. The 3 is a nice model but the extra heft and firmer nature might mean a few customers go elsewhere.
How is the heel? Unfortunately i had blisters after 4,5km.....in version 2.
It’s similar in fairness never had an issues with the v2 or this one
Hmm might be better off getting the DN2 on discount then!
Had the magnify 2 as my first ever puma runners and they are super! I'm eyeing for the deviate 2 as it's on sale at the moment.
Dankeschön!Will go 4 ver 2, if in discount 😀 Love the color!
I don't like the endorphin speed. I over pronate and my calfs hurt when I wear them cuz the cushions too soft. I think these pumas would be better since they're stiffer on the cushion
Yes a little more firm here compared to the speed
So sounds like they really upgraded the nitro elite v3, but nitro v3 is about the same. I guess if it ain’t broke don’t fix it haha
Big update on the elite 3. Wearing my pair right now
I got an early version of this shoe from a French company that didn't respect the release date. 😂 I have 100 km on them.
I think it's an improvement except for the heel fit for me. I had the same size as the Deviate 2s (men's North American size 9). I wish they would have made the heel like the Velocity 3s. I wouldn't say I like the heels as, like you, I had a heel slip in my left shoe, but not the right shoe with average lacing. 🤷🏻 I don't usually do a runner's loop, but for this shoe, I did, which solved the problem, but the heel is a fail IMHO. And that external heel shark thingy should be forgotten as it doesn't do anything that I could tell. As you mentioned, a simple, boring, harder insert heel counter works well and would have improved the heel.
I don't care about the weight as I will use it for a daily trainer and the Velocity 3s, which I will likely use more than this one. I prefer this upper over the last version, except for the heel fit.
Thanks for the candid review. 😊
“Sticky like the music venues in the 90s” 😂 It’s bringing me back so many memories and I can tell you I wasn’t at all into running back then 😅
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I think neo vista or suberblast 2 instead of v3( i have v2)
If I can get same price for velocity 3 and deviate 3, which one is better for a daily trainer that can do some intervals once a week? 🙏
Deviate is the one 👍🏼
Probably going to buy a 2nd pair of the V2’s on discount instead, as it seems to be the slightly better shoe
is it suitable for daily trainer, slow pace for 5km - 10km?
For me a good steady pace type shoe. Should hit the spot
Man that Nitro logo makes me wince every time I see it. I really don't think we're in the era of foams selling shoes anymore, when the performance of foams seem to vary wildly per shoe.
All the other colourways don't have it, just that launch version
@@RegenTonnenEnte Oh that's good to know.
I cannot understand why Pumas numbers are almost always off. Version 2 had wackadoodle numbers too
Yeah the v2 and 3 are the same measurements for me
The Novablast 3 and 4 are equally loud to this, for me. I feel like I’m a fairly nimble runner but the world knows when I’m coming in either of those lol
I had the v2 and put over 300 miles in them but I thought after after 150 miles the midsole lost its spark and it was then a bit of a slog to run in. I'll probably wait until this version is discounted, or maybe even go for the SL2
The sl2 is quite formidable!
Good job Edd!
I bought the V2 after watching your review and I love them. Can't say I'm a fan of the NITRO logo on the V3 but if they run as well as the V2 then I guess I'll put up with it
They are very close to the v2
Does anyone have both the DN3 and Superblast V2 and able to share which one they prefer? I am aware the former is plated and the latter isn't so may not be in the same "category" but am torn between these two offerings. FWIW I have both the DN2 and Superblast V1 and LOVE both.
The dn3 is very close to the 2. The Superblast 1 and 2 appear more different between the versions than the Puma.
@@EDDBUD nice to know. if you had to pick just one shoe, (DN3 vs SB2) which would you go for?
That NITRO logo…. Crikies
It’s big.
I alternate between my Puma DN2 and Superblast version 1s and honestly think if I can, I will just pick up another pair of each as opposed to there respective updates.
If you’re not going to other brands I think this is very sensible.
Thanks for the review. Strange that they didn't fit the heel issue by narrowing down to more of a v shape than the rounded heel - which they did change between the VN2 and VN3. Didn't bother me much - but I know it did for some people. Somehow this colourway (and big logo!) doesn't look as good as it does on the Elite V3. However, I see Puma have 4 other colourways already available as of today. Loved the DN2, but will give this one a miss for now. The Brooks Hyperion Max 2 could well be the better alternative for me. Similar specs - looks great in the pics as well (plus big Brooks logo on the side!)
The blue one is really nice
V2 feels like 6mm drop rather than 8mm stated in some websites, when comparing with other 6/8 mm shoes. I love the 6mm drop and am quite hesitated about stated 10mm drop.
It’s absolutely a 6mm drop here too. Same midsole spec to the shoe as the v2
Theyve ruined it
"The cats over at Puma..."
That alone was worth the tune-in 😂.
They are cool cats too
Thanks buddy. A new version is supposed to improve on the previous one and this one does the opposite it seems. Both upper (which was perfect in the DN2, why the hell change it...) and midsole a little degraded, plus the shoe is heavier. as well? Summary: Puma completely failed here. What a shame. How difficult was it to at least not degrade it?! Only the looks are improved, but that won't be enough to persuade me. Good stuff Puma, I have 2 DN2's and I really wanted to add some variety and you give me the perfect excuse lol. Still tempted by the DN3 elite though, to put on whenever I feel like a PB, which is almost never nowadays!
The elite 3 is a massive upgrade. This one could do with some weight relief
Thanks Edd.
You are very welcome
I don’t mind the nitro logo but I really don’t care for the puma cat. Go figure…..
Hi Eddbud I’m 6ft 2 and 18 stone with a bad back. Decent national runner back in the day 32 min 10k times. Just starting to get back into running with some long walks to start off with. What shoe would you recommend for me that will take me from walking to running? Any advice would be welcome thanks
@@al1356 this could work well though depends on your foot width. Does taper a bit in the front. Try the magnify nitro 👍🏼
@@EDDBUD thank you for the reply, I will take a look at them and let you know what I end up going for.
Picked up a pair of the Pums’s as suggested, great shoe. Also bought the ASICS Nimbus 25s to rotate. Very different but love them both, thanks for advice.
aww man, love the V2 - this isn't sounding like an upgrade.
Today's musical interlude had me laughing though.
That “song” is appallingly bad. Though not as bad as the England performance so far
@@EDDBUD hah, you normally find something positive to say in everything - I'm finding the lowkey detest hilarious!
Forgive me Ed for not watching the whole video but became obvious half way through that these are not going to top my much loved V2 which I have just 150 miles on so tons of miles left so it will be a nay for this version. Thanks Ed 👍
Sounds like it moved away from the Endorphin Speed 4 & closer to an SC Trainer V2.
The weight increase can probably be explained as Puma attempting to reposition the Deviate Nitro as their "super trainer" rather than the more speed shoe it was before.
Looking at their Nitro lineup right now you have the Fast-R as their out-and-out marathon option, the Fast-FWD as their 5k/10k racer and speed shoe(so their Takumi Sen equivalent even if it is a bit pricier RRP), the Deviate Nitro Elite 3 as their more versatile option that can do both and the likes of the Velocity, Magnify and Foreverrun filling in the various other roles. What they're missing is a "super trainer"; essentially built like a daily trainer but with the foam, plates and technology that started out in top end shoes and designed to be a versatile shoe that can do everything pretty well but is probably best as a long-run shoe for marathon training. Hence this; heavier because the focus has changed from being an uptempo daily trainer you can do fast efforts and speed sessions in (which the 2 was) to being a daily trainer you can do long efforts at marathon pace in.
Will it work?
I'm not sure for this first take on it. Outside of someone who desperately needs the best outsole Puma's selling point has always been value; their shoes may be just a *tiny* bit worse than comparable options from other brands but they're also considerably cheaper (and tend to be more durable). On paper that's the same here; at RRP £150 it's considerably cheaper than most of the super trainer type shoes from the other brands. The problem is most of those brands are onto the second or third version of their super trainer or at the very least are soon to release an update. That means discounts for those older editions and from the reviews of this shoe I've seen so far it's going to be hard to recommend this over a discounted Speed 3, Superblast, SC trainer, Boston 12 etc. Now almost every shoe struggles to win a value battle against discounted previous editions but that becomes more of an issue when being good value is one of the biggest selling points.
My cynical side also thinks that maybe they've got a lot of Fast-FWD's hanging around in warehouses and they don't want to risk cannibalizing their sales. The Deviate Nitro Elite is already a lightweight carbon-plated racer that is really good at shorter distances while also being able to handle the longer ones in the way a Fast-FWD basically can't. If the plain Deviate Nitro was still a really lightweight plated daily trainer than could do speed sessions really well then there'd be even more questions about what the point of the Fast-FWD is then their already are. This way at least they can point to the Fast-FWD and say it's the one you want for 5k/10k races and any speed focused training.
Yeah the fast fwd seems more the “Takumi sen” now.
Tried these on this weekend… definitely not a 10mm drop. 6-8mm seems likely.
I also experience heel slip on v2. I think it is the convex & concave shape inside the heel. The concave is only 50% not holding anything and convex or padded area is 50%. Other good fitting shoes have concave 75% & convex 25% shape, so it is actually holding the heel down.
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Hopefully we see some cut in half review to finally confirm the stack height.
Still waiting for 1080 and video about best running shoes for walkers and light runners
I think Mach 6 or Novablast 4 much better than it.
Skip the “NITRO” on the medial side! 👍
Feels like the changes are intended to differentiate it even more from the Deviate Elite this time. Makes sense for them to encourage people to go for the more expensive model, but a little disappointing for those of us who love the version 2.
Yes more gap between them now
Reminds me of the Endorphin Speed 3.
@@srbarananything wrong with this shoes? I wanted buy them tomorrow at a good discount.
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Never tried any of the Puma range but this hasn’t increased my interest unfortunately. Great review though, always appreciate your honesty Edd🙌🏽
Edd, for the same price would you get V2 or V3?
Same price? V3
@@EDDBUD interesting, thank you. I loved V2 but due to massive feet I can find any in the sale, but Puma have the full price on their website.
I will be going for the Elite version, the reviews seem to be better.
The elite version is superb. Though very different shoes
I love the Elite. Most comfortable racing shoe I’ve worn
This actually might be the year. Playing crap and still advancing, makes you wonder. Idk, have a soft spot for Puma runnnig shoes. Love the V2.
Bellingham goal is straight out of escape to victory.
Did you get the elite version too?
Yes I have already reviewed it
Would this be better for say training (such as running and hyrox) and the elite version just for racing? Or could you do all training aswell in elite version...or would this ruin the shoe quickly?
It’s a good shoe for some steady pace. Just feel it’s a bit more shoe than the last version without any major push forward in terms of ride.
Ed, thanks for the review, try several Puma running shoes, such as Forever Nitro, Magnify Nitro, sizing is always the issue for me… size 5 are too big and size 4.5 is too narrow in the toe box. Sadly in the end, I have returned them all. I am also slightly overpronate not sure the DN3 is good for overpronate or not? Any advice?
The base is nice and stable in the v2/3. I can see it being decent for that
Kinda like that Nitro logo tbh…it’s big, it’s brash but then why not shout the fact you’ve invested in your running & your fitness? But then, almost immediately, insidiously, the English reserve kicks in…and the beige nondescripts get another outing :(
It’s somehow not as prominent on this model
That is very weird on the stack height. They advertise the US Men's 9 as 39.5 or so mm. Bizarre they only sized up the stack height on the forefoot of your skis. Bigger shoe = less drop?
The v2 and v3 for me measure the same. Something amiss somewhere.
The other reviews are over salivating on the puma dev 3. Good ole EDD Bud Giving you the real 💯.
It’s not bad. Just very close to the v2. My pair of the v2 are WAY softer than these
@@EDDBUD great to know as I’m thinking over buying the deviate 3 vs the brooks hyperion max… I prefer a softer ride but not squishy…decisions decisions
"Updates," sometimes scare me with these kinds of things, and in this case, it's almost the case...maybe. The V1 (on YOUR recommendation, BTW) became an instant favorite, along with its racing sibling, both a kind of Goldilocks shoe for me.
I'm cautiously considering.
It’s still a good shoe. But the extra weight and rubber depth for me make it less versatile
I logged 900k with v.2. In the beginning, I didn't like them, but they were a real workhorse. Only caveat for puma, they did not come in half sizes for sizes above 11uk. The increase in weight for the v.3 will probably hold me away for my 11.5uk (if they made it available). Good job Ed
Yeah I noticed no half sizes beyond the 11. Somewhat odd choice
Didn't get along with the V2 really. Felt super firm to me in the forefoot so I'll just go for the SB V2 and be done. Maybe the Mizuno Flash 2 to complement the SB V2...
so you didnt like DV2 at all?
@@tadejdanev5030 So many other better super trainers to me. I got mine for $65US on eBay so gave them away after 50 miles. The upper was far to warm for me also. It's 100+F and very high dew points here from April until mid September. Just was an OK shoe to me. If I had paid full price, I would have really been disappointed. I run in all brands (have probably 20 shoes in rotation), do some wear testing for brands and run 50-65mpw. Loved the Nitro Elite V1 & V2 and got along great with the Velocity V1/V2.
The SB2 is top of my list right now
@@EDDBUD I just need that "clean" colorway I'm seeing in other places!
@@EDDBUD 200€ cries in corner :P
Well done, EDDBUD. Like and have a good day.
Thanks as always for tuning in
The Nitro text seems to only be on the orange launch color.
Video idea for you… a series of videos called “music that keeps me moving”. You could recommend music for long endurance runs or up-tempo runs etc. I’d love to see you do some commentary and recommendations. I’d certainly watch those videos too! Keep up the great work!
Sounds good. No pun intended
I'm still waiting for David Bowie "Let's Dance" to be the musical interlude. I mean the music video is the greatest video of all time. Even my favorite line: "If you say run, I'll run with you'. Kudos to the nuclear explosion and awesome actual pub dancing.
That’s a great choice! Next video 👍🏼
Thank you, you are honest and give useful and accurate information. I would buy it for walking only and for daily use only. Are there other good and comfortable alternatives for walking and daily use?
Invincible 3 or a Pegasus fine for walking
I use all the eyelets whenever possible. Two shoes where that really helped the lockdown were the ZoomX Invincible and the Pegasus 39. But I had to replace the stock laces to do it.
Yes the invincible 3 was spot on using all eyelets
Im still packing 2 x pair of DNE1's. Use them for running speed work and Hyrox racing.
They are super light
The big nitro on the shoe doesn't bother me as they're on my feet so the feeling is the important bit...the V2 is nice used them for a half and we're fine. Now waiting for price crash of the V2 to pick up a spare pair.
Yeah on foot it won’t be seen really. That’s what counts
Great video as always, any particular shoe you would recommend if on marathon prep but having to go on a family holiday to Disney world in, a bit of a do it all shoe where I can get some training in combined with 20,000+ steps a day ? I don’t want to sacrifice the shoes in my current rotation 😂
This isn’t a bad choice or perhaps the sl2 from adidas.
puma’s love for the NITRO print is like Sketchers’ love for the SPEED print 💀💀
SPEED!
I hope it’s a 6 mm drop
It is 👍🏼
It's a down 👇 grade from DN2
Coming from the Speed 4, it feels snug for my narrow foot, so a plus for me. The nitro letters don’t bother me at all. Love the color!
It’s a great looking shoe for sure
I like the NITRO writing and the appearance of BEAST 🐈⬛
Beast loves these! 🐈⬛
Interesting review. I can't see a world where I won't buy a pair of these, but I'll definitely wait for them to get rid of that Nitro text on other models. V2 was my parkrun shoe of choice, interesting you think this'll be better at longer distance stuff.
It’s more controlled and stable for longer perhaps steady runs as opposed to the faster efforts. Perhaps a good interval shoe
Is it worth buying the 3s now or just wait for them to go on discount. I have the 2s and still have a ton miles on them.
They are close especially considering the midsole construction
Do you do for walking shoes as well? If not, can you recommend anyone who does? Thank you
Many of the non plated running shoes could work for this
Worth sticking around right to the end for “absolute tripe”. 😂
Heaven knows what my non Uk viewers think of that.
Really not a fan of that nitro nonsense logo. Why do they think that looks good? They smear it all over their midsoles too!
It’s most prominent on the elite version
Another reason for me to save. 😅
I got mine in black! 🔥
I personally love the zoom fly 5 for speed day i never understood all the hate it gets lol 😂
Just couldn’t get on with that one!
Puma USA currently 30% discount on all shoes. I just bought new Deviate Nitro 3 for $112! New Nitro Elite just $160, can’t go wrong.
Superb savings!
@@EDDBUDLol, my plodding running style certainly doesn’t justify a carbon plate, but at $112, couldn’t pass it up.
@@EDDBUD After a few runs, I’m absolutely loving these. Great ride, cushion, and support; excellent build quality, and they look great too. I should’ve bought a few more pairs when they were on sale.
I’m also using SL2, ride/cushion is excellent, feels very similar, almost identical to Deviate; however, my feet are rolling inward a little in SL2 (I have low arches). Of course SL2 doesn’t have replaceable insole 🤣😭.
Wish they'd do a version with the elite foam and no plate or a nylon plate. And I'm not interested in the Velocity or Magnify.
Maybe something on the horizon in that mould
@@EDDBUD
Now you have piqued my interest Budd. Keep up the great work.
Hi Edd. I am a huge fan of your channel. However most of the time you tend to skip the toebox width even if you don't have those stats do you mind at least to mention how it feels when running?
Thank you
I think I’ve mentioned it in almost all recent videos. It’s a typical Puma shape with quick lateral taper
@EDDBUD I thought about the width of the shoes. You are an expert and to you it's enough to say typical puma shape and you know what it is or what it feels like. To me when I look for shoes it is vital to know if it will comfortably accommodate my feet. Are they narrow, narrowish, just about roomy enough or wide. That sort of thing 😳 Particularly when it comes to daily trainers when I'll spend most of my runs in them 🤗
Please consider this addition to your reviews.
Thank you
The writing on the wall, england you mean😂
It’s a tough watch right now