@@donnaroberts4513 That's it. I learned that many years ago. Using trials in faith in the LORD will not take anything from you but add to you an inner strength to trust Him deeper and more faithfully for what's coming upon the world for all of us. Don't take sides, pray for all. Plead the Holy Spirit! Trust the LORD!
Now God has closed a door for Pastor Kelly and left one wide open. Remember Joseph? Remember Barbara O’neil? They tried to silence her now worldwide people who have never heard of the SDA church or its sanitariums have heard of Barbara O’Neil and practice her methods. God’s work must go on.
Dear brother Lawrence The title implies that we will hear the truth about the current situation. I think you know that. Your channel is good enough, you can freely refrain from clickbait. Nevertheless, thank you for posting this. Pastor Tariq delivered a wonderful message within the options he was probably given. I hope and pray the truth will still be revealed, because truth is necessary for reconciliation and healing.
No! The title did not say that. It said the truth about about pastor Ron Kelly. Never about the truth about the current situation. I'm thankful to hear the truth about the christ like person pastor Kelly is.
The title is an ungoldy clickbait which he needs to repent from. Else this channel will be deemed unreliable at times when it will be the most appropriate. Many people have always warned him about it, hope he considers
I blv Pr Ron Kelley can do greater work for God outside of the conference as a self supporting minister. All things work together for those who love Him.
What was done to pastor Ron Kelly, will return to those who have done it to him. It is just a matter of time. God sit on the throne, He looks low and behold all injustice. Beware your sins will find you out.
@@donnaroberts4513 Being a good preacher doesn't make you a candidate for heaven. Sorry to say ivor Myers has become blind to truth. He need to teach his wife first how to dress properly before leading a congregation. This guy Myers was do okay until he becomes blind to absolute truth. The Sunday pastors, many of them give truth from the bible does this make them a candidate for heaven, if they reject all truth and God's Sabbath?
Sister White also said that the worst we can do we can do in a hard situation is to remain quiet and do nothing. Those unjust individuals at the Michigan conference are seeking damage to God's cause. No matter which way they presented or how silently they act, God's judgment awaits them, and they can't bribe Him nor hide their motivations from Him.
they are some seethingly WICKED VIPERS! As an RN of 30+ hospital years I agree no human should play Russian roulette with their health, being a guinea pig can only be advised by the vilest and most deep seatedly wicked of people. It so happens our leaders fit the bill. Glad I have always pointed out Revelation does not mention the SDA organization, it speakes of The Remnant! I do not need an organization to be saved!
It's ok to be sad, it's ok to be frustrated. How about the Michigan Conference restifies the situation and let God's people know why they fired him. Don't give me those platitudes about keeping God's law when you guys don' show justice and mercy towards one of the greatest Pastors the SDA Church had ever had. Stop your lip service and actually act like a Christian.
If they would just give a clear, factual reason for Pastor Kelly's dismissal, instead of these vague word salads that say nothing, we wouldn't have the spiritual confusion that currently exists in the Church.
Hypocrisy and operating in secrecy (occult) is what we see and this tells us everything we need to know. Stop thinking these men are the shipmasters. We have only One Captain. He guides the true shepherds, not the self-professed brethren/leaders in the work. These time-servers need to get out of the business of kingly rule and maybe they will have a chance for their lives.
If I was sitting in that congregation, I'd be so encouraged by this young Pastor. He made sure they won't forget their beloved Pastor! It speak more about his character going forward that he too have their best interest at heart. Let's pray for him, Pastor Vine & Kelly. Don't forget to also pray for the 'Sanhedrin Council' that fired Pastor Kelly & put Pastor Vine on the sidelines
He should have refusex the position. Why, it is not good how they removed Mr Kelly and he will be next if he ever open his mouth to speak truth. He will certainly never be able to preach any present truth messages or any thing about Rome or which institution is the mark of the beast. This you man is a pound and a scape goat for GC tyrants, that all.
Yes, right now Pst Kelly is not popular with conference and yet this preacher is not afraid of telling the type of worker who has been put out. May their eyes see what they are doing?
@@vma76 d DID GOD TELL YOU THAT, IF SO PROVE IT. YOU ALL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE ENEMY TO WOOES YOU ALL THROUGH THIS YOUNG MAN. IF I WERE HIM I WOULD NOT TAKE THAT POSITION. THEY ARE JUST USING HIM, POOR YOUNG FELLA, IS BLIND TO THAT. IF HE DOESN'T DO WHAT THE TYRANTS WANT HE WILL BE NEXT AS PASTOR KELLY. BLIND MEMBERS WAKE UP.
That is it. No different plan. If they will not follow it, their candlestick shall be removed, not by the conference--these have nothing to do with that--but by God. When conferences think they control the candles (workers) who should be controlled by God, they have become blasphemers. Pharisees.
Revelation 18:4 Then I heard another voice from Heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakes of her sins, and that ye receive not her plagues
As long as Pastor Ron Kelly remains humble about his calling and mission, there is a great mission for him that he has ever done this far. Rejection and betrayal is redirection.
He is blessed to be in that position for 11 years . In my Conference in the Washington DC area they wouldn’t keep you that long in one place. The most is six years.
I always like this young man and his brother. They are well grounded in this message and in the Lord. Let us keep him in prayer as he takes on this role. Let’s continue to pray for Pastor Kelly and his family, his legacy will live on at this church and the lives he touched while he led there but the Lord has another plan for him. Let’s not dwell so much in sensationalism, these are real people, real lives with real challenges like the rest of us.
I remember the time everyone thought that Pastor Make Finley and it was quite a surprise when Pastor Ted Wilson became the president of the seventh day Adventist of the Conference I just had a fleeting moment thinking what was that all about I thought something wasn't right but then Pastor Mark accepted it so humbley and thing seem not to be a bad situation I think many of the Sda thought something was going to happen that wasn't with God's working anyway then this happens and a very sad day it has been but the Bible speaks about the people inside the church is going to be worse than any organization outside the church will turn against brethren in God's church it shouldn't come as a surprise to Seventh day Adventist faithful Ministers or people it will happen it must happen the falling away of lots of God's children people and the end will come but God's saints will be sealed many people from outside the faith will come into the fold we pray that we all will be sealed in our hearts with the holy spirit and be saved
That is exactly what the enemy wants and creates. Let us concentrate on the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy and not what any organization does. We can't trust anyone, only God and His Word.
Submit only to God; not to evil, selfish men with their own agenda. Stand for the truth and what is right, DO all you can; do not be slothful expecting God to do everything when you can take right action and then, divine presence will handle what you cannot.
Thank you, Brother Lawrence, for sharing this with us! I am going through quite some anguish with what is going on in the Village Church, even though I am in another country. I have been praying for our brethren and hope the outcome will soon show how the Lord will raise His faithful servants out of all this brutal shaking!
Whatever 😒🙄 still need a reason. So much of this nonsense and toxicity will cause many to leave the church and this will be on the leadership responsibility!
Pastor Kelly was removed from the pastoral position at Village. However, the 2 sides are still working on resolution and will continue having conversations moving forward. Pastor Kelly is still an employee of the Michigan Conference and has not, at this time, been let go.
@blccombs I don't know. There was a closed meeting at the Village church this morning so that the church members could ask questions. What they were told is that Kelly was still a MI conference employee and has not been let go.
He is a Michigan employee being transitioned elsewhere, but not to any pulpit in the conference. Some members are hoping for reconciliation and most have clearly indicated that reconciliation includes restoration of their pastor to his former position as their lead pastor. Since the conference has yet to admit to any wrongdoing, only making a general statement that no one, including themselves is perfect, and they, like all people, make mistakes and that IF they have in this case they would not be above apologizing, a satisfactory resolution and reconciliation seem highly unlikely. There is also the fact that a significant number of individuals called emphatically for the resignation of at least the president. That does not bode well for reconciliation.
Only God search the heart! We all will face the judgement day! There’s a way that seems right but the end is destruction! God thoughts are higher than human thoughts… His ways are higher than our ways!!! Praise God!
Precious❣️ "Crisis does not make the character, Crisis shows the character." Psalms 40:1-4, 8 2Samuel 23:2,3 May the God of heaven be praise now and forever🙏🕊️
@@CADEkilometro14voaQuevedo let's also not worry too much about the image of an organisation. Let's endeavor to represent Christ in the right way. It must be about Christ not world view of the church
Oh my, how people do not know the history of this reformation movement-become-worldly institution. The cult of hypocrisy has been in place for a VERY LONG TIME. Generations. Do your homework and read the writings of many great independent Adventist historians and researchers who have published without fear or favor, such as M. L. Andreasen, R. J. Wieland, Donald K. Short, and many others. There is a world of independent research of which SdA members are largely ignorant, either innocently or by instruction of church leaders. We can study for ourselves, without being told what we shall read or whom we shall hear. We should approach all offers of information with the attitude prescribed by heaven, with "readiness of mind" in conjunction with the Word heaven has placed in our hands: we have the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy, by which we prove all things. When we see that control and censorship as the modus operandi, we already know that God is not with them and that we need to be rolling up our sleeves and figuring out for ourselves where and who is the true remnant church and Who is its leader. My advice has been to get one's name off the church books and turn the tithes over to independent ministers who are actually preaching the three angels' messages as they were unfolded to the understanding of the true teachers from the pioneer days to the present. The reformation continues, with or without the "structure" that has been erected under PERMISSIVE WILL (which is WRATH and no longer does God wink at ignorance about this kingly rule which always seeks to rear its head amongst men who claim to speak for God). The day is fast approaching where nothing will continue in the work of God that is under such a paradigm. Only God's PERFECT WILL stands in the giving of the Loud Cry. We are informed clearly by heaven that these men who seek God's guidance and approval in their own way will have nothing to do with Him in the final work; they will be IN THE WAY of it. They have changed leaders and they will do the work of their master. Hos. 13:9 O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me [is] thine help. 13:10 I will be thy king: where [is any other] that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? 13:11 I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took [him] away in my wrath. 13:12 The iniquity of Ephraim [is] bound up; his sin [is] hid. The hidden sin is being revealed. Go to TEACH Services, Inc. and look up the book "Of the Times and Seasons and the Delay of the Return of Christ." Get the history of a movement that lost its way, distilled from years of study in the works of great independent Adventist minds who would not be deterred by the apostasy of those who claim to be leaders in HIS church. teachservices.com/of-the-times-and-seasons-straub-kevin-paperback-lsi/
Man's judgement fired Pr. Kelly for the glory of God cos he speaks truth. Church leadership is not out of error cos that's what the devil is targeting to destroy the real warrior of God. Phrases killed and fired Jesus to the cross so will it be in the end.
Just read Spectrum an Adventist today magazines about this situation. In the comments you would think that they all know what happened and exactly why he was fired. They seem to think that this denomination is part of the democratic party and that Vine and Kelly were maga. They are very disparaging in their remarks and happy to see him removed and couldn't be further from the truth. This was an excellent pastor who turn to church around and built it into something working for God and was fired and with all the mediocre pastors we have who only speak pablum to the people you can see where our leaders are standing.
That is true, but a huge red flag is the fact that Pastor Kelly has not been charged with anything. If he has done something wrong, let it be known. If he has not, restore him to his position!
Maybe he is not as good as he appears--we always take for granted that the conference is at fault--we never think that it could be the other way around a…most always say conference evil….individual bad….i haven’t seen any evidence to indicate that this is true!
@Saludtotal48 The conference didn't like the fact that pastor Ron Kelly questioned them about Pastor Vine and why they wanted to cancel Doc Vine. They don't like to be questioned.
When a congregation of hundreds of people come together solidly UNITED expressing their love, respect and confidence for their pastor AND unequivocally stating that they are disillusioned, disgusted and angry with the actions of the conference, and calling for either an apology and retraction or the resignation of the officials involved, it is very evident where evil resides.
Given that Pastor Kelly was Pastor Tariq's excellent mentor, and he should preach the 3 Angel's Message and follow his mentor's path; would he too be transitioned. ROMANS 8: 28
If we are studying our Bible, if we study the guided lessons and discuss through the Holy Spirit Leading, we would not be surprised, yet see what is revealed. We are not to follow man, institution, organisation, we are to follow The Way, The Truth, The Life, Jesus Christ.
Beyond eulogizing Pr. Kelly, which is what this seems like, will the brethren not stand up for justice? Am I to understand this message to mean, let the devil have his way, God will work things out?
Here is the problem: when you set aside the Church Manual in order to rid yourselves of someone that seems to be a thorn in your side, you have done exactly what the priests and Pharisees did to rid themselves of Jesus, and you expose the true spirit that you are allowing to led in your lives.
I Heard many many years ago a pastor said he's not taking any salary from conference so they cannot tell him what to preach and how to preach that why he. Opens mouth bold and loudly for Jesus amen and amen
Fake title, is that called click bait??? It's been all over the news lately but the problems with Vine and now Kelly, but if we ask ??? then we get labeled a "gossiper". The conference should step forward and give some generalized reason for the firing.
With all due respect to all, we cannot use Scriptures or EGW writings to explain the suspension of God’s servants as ministers of the gospel commission. We must so respect and honor the service given to God’s Reminant Church. Leaders need to tell the church of the wrong he had done opening and transparent in decision making. Respectfully
Those who do WELL in their allotted work get ' WEANED' from milk to do a work of a closer ,larger magnitude under the UNCTION of the Spirit - with no man made infringement. Pst Kelly welcome to self-supporting ministry..... like others you didn't run away from mother, they cast you out like the disciples, EG Whites family by the protestant churches etc. One work is sure and urgent to save modern Isreal from the coming destruction.. sighing and crying against it's abominations perhaps it may repent and be spared. If you can't sigh and cry from inside, Seek guidance on how you are going to continue the work in your current situation. God bless.
"the truth" about Pastor Ron Kelly was shared - a Godly man, a Godly mentor, a Godly hard worker for our lovely Lord and Savior. A Godly man who took time for others. Praise the Lord!
The truth about Ron Kelly is he is to wait on the Lord and be of good courage (see Psalm 27:14). Psalm 37:5 “Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.” Matthew 26:41 “Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” Isaiah 55:8-9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” Psalm 3:5-6 “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.”
Please.. the clickbait is disgusting. "Thou shall not lie". There is no need for clickbait titles. And I think you very well know its misleading.. thanks for the update..
@bro lawrence There is currently a conflict going on and a lot of people are asking questions and need answers. Your title is suggesting that this Pastor reveals the truth about Pastor Ron Kelly. Why not use your very own conclusion as your title instead "Pastor at Village SDA shares the amazing work God did through Pastor Ron Kelly"???
@BroLawrence The Pastor simply shared his testimony about how dedicated Pastor Ron Kelly is throughout his ministry.. His personal experience.. and he comforted the congregation. Why not align your title with what actually took place in the video..? Because you didnt, even though the younģ pastor spoke what he believes to be true and the fruit of Pastor Kelly labour is quite evident, its still a click bait and is quite misleading.
It’s interesting how quickly people jump to point fingers at Conference officials, with everyone suddenly having the perfect solution. But has anyone considered that, just maybe, Ron Kelly isn’t infallible? Mistakes can happen. And if the pastor was let go, perhaps there was some probable cause. Let’s not forget-there are always things happening behind the scenes that we don’t see. Time has a way of revealing the bigger picture. Something to keep in mind before rushing to conclusions.
Pastors like Conrad Vine and Ron Kelly losing their jobs, working for so many years, is not good. Pastor Ganoune Diop goes to Rome to greet the Pope, saying that he does not preach the message of the three angels( Jesus order was to Preach the message Revelation 14:6-12) he still continues with his work! How unfair.
The point is that in situations like these, there’s often more going on than we’re aware of. It’s easy to jump to conclusions, whether about the pastor or the Conference, but maybe it’s worth stepping back and letting time and the full picture reveal the truth. I am concerned with how we sometimes approach SDA news like it’s *Access Hollywood,* ready to dissect and dramatize every detail. Let’s aim for grace and patience instead.
As long as this new pastor will do as he is told he should keep his job.pasroes are under so much pressure and need to know what will they stand for. Truths of God or traditions of man.
Since they fired Pastor Vine I grew deceptive of the conference and church And sadly this pastor speaking will be next to be dismissed because he is publicly aligning with Pastor Kelly. He will be dismissed next for sure
Pray to God those Pastors who are bringing the church problems on the internet take a leaf out tgat barber's book. He has self peace n discipline that they are lacking. They are dividing the SDA movement all about Tithe.
The want of the world is the want of men-men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall" Ellen G. White. This pastor needs here needs to stand for truth and not status
We need not fear - Jesus is the chief cornerstone, we do not look to man. Let us focus on doing God's work and not let anything or anybody distract us from our commission and not get caught up in destroying one another. To God be the Glory.
Ahhh … clarification needs to be clear in the cut and paste of many YT videos re Conrad & Ron, what has been processed, and which is applicable? “Church Membership” is a local church process. “Church Ministry” is a local Conference leadership responsibility in the organizational stewardship care of the church members. See: EGW book 📖: The Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G White, chapter 33, entitled: “Organization and Development.”
I don’t like that Kelly is being placed on a pedestal and praised as an extraordinary hero. I see many doing it. No pastor can handle that kind of adulation-not even the best of them. It easily leads to pride, which ultimately hinders their ability to serve effectively and remain humble. We are warned heavily by the SOP to give praise to people, ESPECIALLY to ministers/pastors.
I'm personally tired of Lawrence and that awful sense of timing in his laughter . Inappropriate. And now all he does is click-bait, sell bright colored clothes and he knows nothing re: reporting. Unsubscribing for 2nd time. God bless.
I was question by a hirelings not a pastor n not elder indeed.I was asked are u a part of the General conference church ,I quoted IT is WRITTEN,Rev14:12, they said I'm not answering the question,I never change my answer.I don't go the building,so much to say
So what did Vine or Kelly say or do that goes against the Bible or the Spirit of Prophecy? It was Vine opinion that the leaders did not act in favor of the members’. That is his opinion and because we are not a cult we get to have an opinion. It seems that someone felt attacked and is retaliating. Village Church has been a lighthouse and now someone’s ego is dimming that light.
God leads the church but men want God to make them leaders of his church. Dear Christians, pray that you may be drawn by God and to God but not to your favourite pastor.
God is preparing Pastor Kelly for a wider sphere of influence, and may God continue bless him and the Village SDA Church.🙏🙏❤❤😊😊👍👍
AMÉN AMÉN AMÉN AND AMÉN
He has been there for 11 years maybe God wants to expand his territory.
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That's it. I learned that many years ago. Using trials in faith in the LORD will not take anything from you but add to you an inner strength to trust Him deeper and more faithfully for what's coming upon the world for all of us.
Don't take sides, pray for all. Plead the Holy Spirit! Trust the LORD!
My very thought.
Now God has closed a door for Pastor Kelly and left one wide open. Remember Joseph? Remember Barbara O’neil? They tried to silence her now worldwide people who have never heard of the SDA church or its sanitariums have heard of Barbara O’Neil and practice her methods. God’s work must go on.
Dear brother Lawrence
The title implies that we will hear the truth about the current situation. I think you know that. Your channel is good enough, you can freely refrain from clickbait.
Nevertheless, thank you for posting this. Pastor Tariq delivered a wonderful message within the options he was probably given.
I hope and pray the truth will still be revealed, because truth is necessary for reconciliation and healing.
No! The title did not say that. It said the truth about about pastor Ron Kelly. Never about the truth about the current situation. I'm thankful to hear the truth about the christ like person pastor Kelly is.
The title sounds like Pastor Kelly is bad.
@@kindnesslove2271The title sounded like Pastor Kelly was bad.
Amen!
The title is an ungoldy clickbait which he needs to repent from. Else this channel will be deemed unreliable at times when it will be the most appropriate. Many people have always warned him about it, hope he considers
I am eager to see what God has in store for Pastor Kelly!
I blv Pr Ron Kelley can do greater work for God outside of the conference as a self supporting minister. All things work together for those who love Him.
What was done to pastor Ron Kelly, will return to those who have done it to him. It is just a matter of time. God sit on the throne, He looks low and behold all injustice. Beware your sins will find you out.
Dr Des Ford did better out of the church and that is the truth
Money is the route of all evil and you will throw in the street
Like this pastor a lot, filled with the HS. God does not leave those that are His; He is faithful in His leading. One door closed, another will open.
He is friend with Ivor Myers. He is a good preacher.
@@donnaroberts4513 Being a good preacher doesn't make you a candidate for heaven. Sorry to say ivor Myers has become blind to truth. He need to teach his wife first how to dress properly before leading a congregation. This guy Myers was do okay until he becomes blind to absolute truth. The Sunday pastors, many of them give truth from the bible does this make them a candidate for heaven, if they reject all truth and God's Sabbath?
Sister White also said that the worst we can do we can do in a hard situation is to remain quiet and do nothing. Those unjust individuals at the Michigan conference are seeking damage to God's cause. No matter which way they presented or how silently they act, God's judgment awaits them, and they can't bribe Him nor hide their motivations from Him.
they are some seethingly WICKED VIPERS! As an RN of 30+ hospital years I agree no human should play Russian roulette with their health, being a guinea pig can only be advised by the vilest and most deep seatedly wicked of people. It so happens our leaders fit the bill. Glad I have always pointed out Revelation does not mention the SDA organization, it speakes of The Remnant! I do not need an organization to be saved!
AMEN! The Conference will never quote that one though. I have no respect for any Conference and trust only God and Spirit of Prophecy.
It's ok to be sad, it's ok to be frustrated. How about the Michigan Conference restifies the situation and let God's people know why they fired him. Don't give me those platitudes about keeping God's law when you guys don' show justice and mercy towards one of the greatest Pastors the SDA Church had ever had. Stop your lip service and actually act like a Christian.
AMEN!
Amen!!! God will judge us all. Strength in silence is so true
Pastor Ron Kelly and Village SDA Church in one of my best Online church is one of my favourite churches 🙏🏾 🛐
Look at the sandpoint idaho sda church
If they would just give a clear, factual reason for Pastor Kelly's dismissal, instead of these vague word salads that say nothing, we wouldn't have the spiritual confusion that currently exists in the Church.
Agree
Because there is no good honest reason!
AMEN!!!
Hypocrisy and operating in secrecy (occult) is what we see and this tells us everything we need to know. Stop thinking these men are the shipmasters. We have only One Captain. He guides the true shepherds, not the self-professed brethren/leaders in the work. These time-servers need to get out of the business of kingly rule and maybe they will have a chance for their lives.
@MrKevinStraub Amen
I love those two pastors Dr vine ànd Ron Kelly pray that they will continue to feed the flock via u tube ,they are preaching truth .😊
If I was sitting in that congregation, I'd be so encouraged by this young Pastor. He made sure they won't forget their beloved Pastor! It speak more about his character going forward that he too have their best interest at heart. Let's pray for him, Pastor Vine & Kelly.
Don't forget to also pray for the 'Sanhedrin Council' that fired Pastor Kelly & put Pastor Vine on the sidelines
There might be a Nicodemus în that Sanhedrin, so do pray! We wait upon an almighty God!
He should have refusex the position. Why, it is not good how they removed Mr Kelly and he will be next if he ever open his mouth to speak truth. He will certainly never be able to preach any present truth messages or any thing about Rome or which institution is the mark of the beast.
This you man is a pound and a scape goat for GC tyrants, that all.
Look to Jesus and stop concentrating on matters that no one can see or understand. Trust in the lord at all time.
I remember an EGW quote that said it had been a long time since she had heard the voice of God from the conference.
This young pastor has great wisdom from the Lord!
He is a good preacher. I first heard him from Pastor Ivor Myers.
Yes, right now Pst Kelly is not popular with conference and yet this preacher is not afraid of telling the type of worker who has been put out.
May their eyes see what they are doing?
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DID GOD TELL YOU THAT, IF SO PROVE IT. YOU ALL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE ENEMY TO WOOES YOU ALL THROUGH THIS YOUNG MAN.
IF I WERE HIM I WOULD NOT TAKE THAT POSITION. THEY ARE JUST USING HIM, POOR YOUNG FELLA, IS BLIND TO THAT. IF HE DOESN'T DO WHAT THE TYRANTS WANT HE WILL BE NEXT AS PASTOR KELLY. BLIND MEMBERS WAKE UP.
Amen
The only plan that God has for Village SDA Church is to continue to move the truth forward as did Pastor Kelly.
That is it. No different plan. If they will not follow it, their candlestick shall be removed, not by the conference--these have nothing to do with that--but by God. When conferences think they control the candles (workers) who should be controlled by God, they have become blasphemers. Pharisees.
I like Pr Tariq and his twin brother Adam. Men of God. Keep fighting brethren
I'm behind the self supporting ministry, I'm tired of the conference
Which conference?
Revelation 18:4 Then I heard another voice from Heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakes of her sins, and that ye receive not her plagues
Bye... 👋
Conference is necessary for checks and balances however I do not agree with this sort of behavior. We just have to pray for our church as a whole
True that!
Pastor, if you say anything " wrong" you are eliminated next!!
As long as Pastor Ron Kelly remains humble about his calling and mission, there is a great mission for him that he has ever done this far. Rejection and betrayal is redirection.
Wouldn't it be amazing if God list Pastor Kelly to even a higher position. GOD IS IN CONTROL
He is blessed to be in that position for 11 years . In my Conference in the Washington DC area they wouldn’t keep you that long in one place. The most is six years.
I always like this young man and his brother. They are well grounded in this message and in the Lord. Let us keep him in prayer as he takes on this role. Let’s continue to pray for Pastor Kelly and his family, his legacy will live on at this church and the lives he touched while he led there but the Lord has another plan for him. Let’s not dwell so much in sensationalism, these are real people, real lives with real challenges like the rest of us.
I remember the time everyone thought that Pastor Make Finley and it was quite a surprise when Pastor Ted Wilson became the president of the seventh day Adventist of the Conference I just had a fleeting moment thinking what was that all about I thought something wasn't right but then Pastor Mark accepted it so humbley and thing seem not to be a bad situation I think many of the Sda thought something was going to happen that wasn't with God's working anyway then this happens and a very sad day it has been but the Bible speaks about the people inside the church is going to be worse than any organization outside the church will turn against brethren in God's church it shouldn't come as a surprise to Seventh day Adventist faithful Ministers or people it will happen it must happen the falling away of lots of God's children people and the end will come but God's saints will be sealed many people from outside the faith will come into the fold we pray that we all will be sealed in our hearts with the holy spirit and be saved
All this drama in our church!! It’s so much toxicity. Mercy.
That is exactly what the enemy wants and creates. Let us concentrate on the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy and not what any organization does. We can't trust anyone, only God and His Word.
I wish this fine man could be my pastor. He is very wise.
Submit only to God; not to evil, selfish men with their own agenda. Stand for the truth and what is right, DO all you can; do not be slothful expecting God to do everything when you can take right action and then, divine presence will handle what you cannot.
Thank you, Brother Lawrence, for sharing this with us! I am going through quite some anguish with what is going on in the Village Church, even though I am in another country. I have been praying for our brethren and hope the outcome will soon show how the Lord will raise His faithful servants out of all this brutal shaking!
Whatever 😒🙄 still need a reason. So much of this nonsense and toxicity will cause many to leave the church and this will be on the leadership responsibility!
Pastor Kelly was removed from the pastoral position at Village. However, the 2 sides are still working on resolution and will continue having conversations moving forward. Pastor Kelly is still an employee of the Michigan Conference and has not, at this time, been let go.
Then why did the Head Elder say he had been removed from the Michigan conference not just the Village Church?
@blccombs I don't know. There was a closed meeting at the Village church this morning so that the church members could ask questions. What they were told is that Kelly was still a MI conference employee and has not been let go.
He is a Michigan employee being transitioned elsewhere, but not to any pulpit in the conference. Some members are hoping for reconciliation and most have clearly indicated that reconciliation includes restoration of their pastor to his former position as their lead pastor. Since the conference has yet to admit to any wrongdoing, only making a general statement that no one, including themselves is perfect, and they, like all people, make mistakes and that IF they have in this case they would not be above apologizing, a satisfactory resolution and reconciliation seem highly unlikely. There is also the fact that a significant number of individuals called emphatically for the resignation of at least the president. That does not bode well for reconciliation.
No, this is confusing because past ron said in his last vid that it would be the last time from that platform.
@@blccombsexactly.
Only God search the heart! We all will face the judgement day!
There’s a way that seems right but the end is destruction! God thoughts are higher than human thoughts… His ways are higher than our ways!!! Praise God!
Precious❣️
"Crisis does not make the character,
Crisis shows the character."
Psalms 40:1-4, 8
2Samuel 23:2,3
May the God of heaven be praise now and forever🙏🕊️
Trust God and be at peace. God’s plans will be established. Bless this pastor for trying to help stop this division and chaos over this present issue.
Amen! God is in control 🙏
Thank you for sharing this message. I needed to hear this I believe, and may the good Lord bless.
You are correct. We may never know all we would like to know.
This church has just embarrassed the entire Seventh Day Adventist church. Almost turning it into a hypocritical cult
Satan is alive and well with comment's like that
Such things happen the world over, you just don't get to hear about it. God is in control as pastor Tariq is encouraging
Stop. No it hasn’t.
@@CADEkilometro14voaQuevedo let's also not worry too much about the image of an organisation. Let's endeavor to represent Christ in the right way. It must be about Christ not world view of the church
Oh my, how people do not know the history of this reformation movement-become-worldly institution. The cult of hypocrisy has been in place for a VERY LONG TIME. Generations. Do your homework and read the writings of many great independent Adventist historians and researchers who have published without fear or favor, such as M. L. Andreasen, R. J. Wieland, Donald K. Short, and many others. There is a world of independent research of which SdA members are largely ignorant, either innocently or by instruction of church leaders. We can study for ourselves, without being told what we shall read or whom we shall hear. We should approach all offers of information with the attitude prescribed by heaven, with "readiness of mind" in conjunction with the Word heaven has placed in our hands: we have the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy, by which we prove all things.
When we see that control and censorship as the modus operandi, we already know that God is not with them and that we need to be rolling up our sleeves and figuring out for ourselves where and who is the true remnant church and Who is its leader.
My advice has been to get one's name off the church books and turn the tithes over to independent ministers who are actually preaching the three angels' messages as they were unfolded to the understanding of the true teachers from the pioneer days to the present. The reformation continues, with or without the "structure" that has been erected under PERMISSIVE WILL (which is WRATH and no longer does God wink at ignorance about this kingly rule which always seeks to rear its head amongst men who claim to speak for God). The day is fast approaching where nothing will continue in the work of God that is under such a paradigm. Only God's PERFECT WILL stands in the giving of the Loud Cry. We are informed clearly by heaven that these men who seek God's guidance and approval in their own way will have nothing to do with Him in the final work; they will be IN THE WAY of it. They have changed leaders and they will do the work of their master.
Hos. 13:9 O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me [is] thine help.
13:10 I will be thy king: where [is any other] that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes?
13:11 I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took [him] away in my wrath.
13:12 The iniquity of Ephraim [is] bound up; his sin [is] hid.
The hidden sin is being revealed. Go to TEACH Services, Inc. and look up the book "Of the Times and Seasons and the Delay of the Return of Christ." Get the history of a movement that lost its way, distilled from years of study in the works of great independent Adventist minds who would not be deterred by the apostasy of those who claim to be leaders in HIS church.
teachservices.com/of-the-times-and-seasons-straub-kevin-paperback-lsi/
SO WHY WAS HE FIRED!!!
Man's judgement fired Pr. Kelly for the glory of God cos he speaks truth. Church leadership is not out of error cos that's what the devil is targeting to destroy the real warrior of God. Phrases killed and fired Jesus to the cross so will it be in the end.
Exactly!!! That’s what I want to know !!
We all know why.
@@nicoladibara1936no we don't, please share
There is a lot we don't know. Let us stop the insinuation and pray for all parties.
Just read Spectrum an Adventist today magazines about this situation. In the comments you would think that they all know what happened and exactly why he was fired. They seem to think that this denomination is part of the democratic party and that Vine and Kelly were maga. They are very disparaging in their remarks and happy to see him removed and couldn't be further from the truth. This was an excellent pastor who turn to church around and built it into something working for God and was fired and with all the mediocre pastors we have who only speak pablum to the people you can see where our leaders are standing.
Amen 🙏🏼 as Christian that should be our aim pray, pray ,pray
That is true, but a huge red flag is the fact that Pastor Kelly has not been charged with anything. If he has done something wrong, let it be known. If he has not, restore him to his position!
this does not tell what happened or why the Mich conf fired a good man.
Maybe he is not as good as he appears--we always take for granted that the conference is at fault--we never think that it could be the other way around a…most always say conference evil….individual bad….i haven’t seen any evidence to indicate that this is true!
@Saludtotal48 The conference didn't like the fact that pastor Ron Kelly questioned them about Pastor Vine and why they wanted to cancel Doc Vine. They don't like to be questioned.
When a congregation of hundreds of people come together solidly UNITED expressing their love, respect and confidence for their pastor AND unequivocally stating that they are disillusioned, disgusted and angry with the actions of the conference, and calling for either an apology and retraction or the resignation of the officials involved, it is very evident where evil resides.
Taariq is a man after the Lord's heart. His brother Adam and himself have an amazing testimony. It can be found on YT
Oh he 's that Tariq?! Is their Mom still in the church?
🙏AMEN and Amen 🙏 🙌 GLORY BE TO GOD ALMIGHTY 🙏 AMEN AND AMEN 🙏 ❤ 🙌 😊 ♥ 💖 🙏
Given that Pastor Kelly was Pastor Tariq's excellent mentor, and he should preach the 3 Angel's Message and follow his mentor's path; would he too be transitioned. ROMANS 8: 28
Taariq only got there in august or september, not too much time to receive mentorship
@@artygunnarI guess you didn't listen to the whole clip of Pastor Tariq speaking because he said he was mentored years before coming there
🙏Good afternoon my dear brother and friend 🙏in Jesus mighty name 🙏 AMEN and AMEN 🙏
If we are studying our Bible, if we study the guided lessons and discuss through the Holy Spirit Leading, we would not be surprised, yet see what is revealed.
We are not to follow man, institution, organisation, we are to follow The Way, The Truth, The Life, Jesus Christ.
Wow what a great message
Beyond eulogizing Pr. Kelly, which is what this seems like, will the brethren not stand up for justice? Am I to understand this message to mean, let the devil have his way, God will work things out?
Truly God is control we have nothing to fear
"WORSE THAN THEY "BY PASTOR WALTER VEITH POWERFUL POWERFUL WATCH TRUTH ALWAYS WINS GOD SEES EVERYTHING KNOWS ❤
Stop being deceptive with your titles for clicks. You should be more honest
Agree
Here is the problem: when you set aside the Church Manual in order to rid yourselves of someone that seems to be a thorn in your side, you have done exactly what the priests and Pharisees did to rid themselves of Jesus, and you expose the true spirit that you are allowing to led in your lives.
Amen 🙏Keep the Faith ,Pastor Ron Kelly 🙏
This is what happens when humans starts exalting their fellow humans.
I Heard many many years ago a pastor said he's not taking any salary from conference so they cannot tell him what to preach and how to preach that why he. Opens mouth bold and loudly for Jesus amen and amen
In SA we have a few pastors doing the same thing.
May God keep us faithful. When men says no Jesus says YES. 🙏🙏🙏🫂🫂
Fake title, is that called click bait??? It's been all over the news lately but the problems with Vine and now Kelly, but if we ask ??? then we get labeled a "gossiper". The conference should step forward and give some generalized reason for the firing.
Agree
With all due respect to all, we cannot use Scriptures or EGW writings to explain the suspension of God’s servants as ministers of the gospel commission. We must so respect and honor the service given to God’s Reminant Church. Leaders need to tell the church of the wrong he had done opening and transparent in decision making.
Respectfully
Briefly,what is the issue with Ron Kelly?
He wasn't politically correct. One must go to a non-conference church in order to avoid politically correct sermons.
JUST PRAY . SEEMS the answers to everything and the conference committee was PRAYING
so in all this PRAYER .where is the truth?
What does it mean when you say " politically correct"
That the GC requires submission to their authority to be part of their organization…
Gayle Smith, spot on. 🎯
🙏 Thank you for sharing this.
The Prophecy in Leviticus 26 demonstrated in the sacred history that Jesus won the legal right & power to change CURSE into Blessings!
Click bait title.
This is inspiring
One of the Patel brothers! Amen
Those who do WELL in their allotted work get ' WEANED' from milk to do a work of a closer ,larger magnitude under the UNCTION of the Spirit - with no man made infringement.
Pst Kelly welcome to self-supporting ministry..... like others you didn't run away from mother, they cast you out like the disciples, EG Whites family by the protestant churches etc.
One work is sure and urgent to save modern Isreal from the coming destruction.. sighing and crying against it's abominations perhaps it may repent and be spared. If you can't sigh and cry from inside, Seek guidance on how you are going to continue the work in your current situation.
God bless.
How is this "the truth" about pastor Ron Kelly?
The truth is despite what we see happening in relation to Pastor Kelly and notwithstanding how we each view it, God has a plan.
"the truth" about Pastor Ron Kelly was shared - a Godly man, a Godly mentor, a Godly hard worker for our lovely Lord and Savior. A Godly man who took time for others. Praise the Lord!
The truth about Ron Kelly is he is to wait on the Lord and be of good courage (see Psalm 27:14).
Psalm 37:5 “Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.”
Matthew 26:41 “Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
Isaiah 55:8-9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”
Psalm 3:5-6 “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.”
Those are just religious generic statements, the TRUTH of why pastor Kelly was fired is still to be revealed
That he’s a good man!☝🏼🙏🏼❤
Watch out Pastor Tariq, you may be next!
Pastor Tariq is the interim Senior Pastor. They have to select a Senior Pastor.
Pastor Ron Kellys new youtube channel youtube.com/@pastor-ronkelly?si=uCGgr2mLIZLnvg4M
This church will be in good hands with Pastor Tariq.
I know this man’s brother. I heard his brother speak and all I can say is…a riveting and life changing experience.
Not if they are pacified into accepting the wrong that has been done against them.
Any news on the outcome of the meeting held today at the village church ?
Yeah God have a plan for the truth it's truth
It's the truth why he not there any more
God allows bad things to happen to good people, i.e. Joseph, etc., but God can turn what is meant for evil into good.
Blessed be pastor Tariq work ❤
God will give him is reward
So then the conference leadership needs to be SACKED or excommunicated since pastor Ron is not in any error
Amen🙏🙏
Thumbs down for the clickbait. This video did not shed light on what happened with Pastor Kelly, just a well put together sermon by his replacement.
ClickBaits? No Brother Lawrence, do not fall in the entertainment world, you do not have to put this titles, please 🙏
That's my pastor. 😊 Pastor Patel
God bless you abundantly my Bro Lawrence 🙋♂️💞🙏 This is great, thank you for staying faithful to your Heavenly call.🙋♂️💞🙏
WOW-WHAT GOD HAS FOR YOU-IT IS FOR YOU!😅
We need to stop lifting up humans like they are Christ.
Supporting and defending men of truth. No uplifting and worshiping humans here. Know the difference.
What is it like for pastor Ron to visit this church...yet never be allowed on the podium????
He talking about Joseph ❤
Please.. the clickbait is disgusting. "Thou shall not lie". There is no need for clickbait titles. And I think you very well know its misleading.. thanks for the update..
Was that not the truth about pastor Ron Kelly? Did the pastor lie about him? What were you expecting to hear? 👂
@@BroLawrence.Your title sounded negative about Pastor Kelly.
Agree
@bro lawrence
There is currently a conflict going on and a lot of people are asking questions and need answers. Your title is suggesting that this Pastor reveals the truth about Pastor Ron Kelly. Why not use your very own conclusion as your title instead "Pastor at Village SDA shares the amazing work God did through Pastor Ron Kelly"???
@BroLawrence
The Pastor simply shared his testimony about how dedicated Pastor Ron Kelly is throughout his ministry.. His personal experience.. and he comforted the congregation. Why not align your title with what actually took place in the video..? Because you didnt, even though the younģ pastor spoke what he believes to be true and the fruit of Pastor Kelly labour is quite evident, its still a click bait and is quite misleading.
Powerful quote
What is the shaking that sister e,g white saw? And who are shaken out and why? Please answer me.
It’s interesting how quickly people jump to point fingers at Conference officials, with everyone suddenly having the perfect solution. But has anyone considered that, just maybe, Ron Kelly isn’t infallible? Mistakes can happen. And if the pastor was let go, perhaps there was some probable cause. Let’s not forget-there are always things happening behind the scenes that we don’t see. Time has a way of revealing the bigger picture. Something to keep in mind before rushing to conclusions.
I have said the same, and I have been digitally spat on. This church is under the spell of man worship. These are not prepared for the latter rain.
Wake up whoever you are 😢
Pastors like Conrad Vine and Ron Kelly losing their jobs, working for so many years, is not good. Pastor Ganoune Diop goes to Rome to greet the Pope, saying that he does not preach the message of the three angels( Jesus order was to Preach the message Revelation 14:6-12) he still continues with his work! How unfair.
The point is that in situations like these, there’s often more going on than we’re aware of. It’s easy to jump to conclusions, whether about the pastor or the Conference, but maybe it’s worth stepping back and letting time and the full picture reveal the truth. I am concerned with how we sometimes approach SDA news like it’s *Access Hollywood,* ready to dissect and dramatize every detail. Let’s aim for grace and patience instead.
And accountability
Brother Lawrence, sorry, something seems so wrong with your title. Sounds like "clickbait".
As long as this new pastor will do as he is told he should keep his job.pasroes are under so much pressure and need to know what will they stand for. Truths of God or traditions of man.
Amen 🙏🏾
What is the GC doing joining hands with Catholic health too?????
They have no business doing it.
Since they fired Pastor Vine I grew deceptive of the conference and church
And sadly this pastor speaking will be next to be dismissed because he is publicly aligning with Pastor Kelly. He will be dismissed next for sure
Pray to God those Pastors who are bringing the church problems on the internet take a leaf out tgat barber's book. He has self peace n discipline that they are lacking. They are dividing the SDA movement all about Tithe.
If I was in that church, I would have left. This new pastor is teaching Ellen White. He should be teaching the Scriptures.
The want of the world is the want of men-men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall" Ellen G. White. This pastor needs here needs to stand for truth and not status
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We need not fear - Jesus is the chief cornerstone, we do not look to man. Let us focus on doing God's work and not let anything or anybody distract us from our commission and not get caught up in destroying one another. To God be the Glory.
Ahhh … clarification needs to be clear in the cut and paste of many YT videos re Conrad & Ron, what has been processed, and which is applicable?
“Church Membership” is a local church process.
“Church Ministry” is a local Conference leadership responsibility in the organizational stewardship care of the church members.
See: EGW book 📖:
The Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G White, chapter 33, entitled:
“Organization and Development.”
1 kings 12-24 nkjv ❤
I don’t like that Kelly is being placed on a pedestal and praised as an extraordinary hero. I see many doing it. No pastor can handle that kind of adulation-not even the best of them. It easily leads to pride, which ultimately hinders their ability to serve effectively and remain humble. We are warned heavily by the SOP to give praise to people, ESPECIALLY to ministers/pastors.
I'm personally tired of Lawrence and that awful sense of timing in his laughter . Inappropriate. And now all he does is click-bait, sell bright colored clothes and he knows nothing re: reporting.
Unsubscribing for 2nd time. God bless.
Please what is Kelly's offence?
Was the ‘truth’ that was revealed, that Pastor Kelly is a hardworking man of God?
I was question by a hirelings not a pastor n not elder indeed.I was asked are u a part of the General conference church ,I quoted IT is WRITTEN,Rev14:12, they said I'm not answering the question,I never change my answer.I don't go the building,so much to say
So what did Vine or Kelly say or do that goes against the Bible or the Spirit of Prophecy? It was Vine opinion that the leaders did not act in favor of the members’. That is his opinion and because we are not a cult we get to have an opinion. It seems that someone felt attacked and is retaliating. Village Church has been a lighthouse and now someone’s ego is dimming that light.
God leads the church but men want God to make them leaders of his church. Dear Christians, pray that you may be drawn by God and to God but not to your favourite pastor.