Is the Kilt Traditional Garb in Ireland?
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- Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024
- Do the Irish wear kilts? Today, yes.
Is the Kilt Traditional Garb in Ireland? Eh....sort of?
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What is the traditional clothing of Ireland?
Did the Irish wear tartan?
Do the Irish wear kilts for weddings?
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I am Irish of old Irish descent, live in Ireland and wear kilts every day. I have family ties to several Scots clans and several Irish families each with their own tartan.
Finding my own family tartan was difficult and involved going to Edinburgh in person as I could find no reference online, even though there are many names denoted as branch families that do have online references to their tartans.
I was going to submit a design of my own at one point, when I finally found mine which is a mostly royal blue colouring.
I think I last wore trousers for a whole day about 6 or 7 years back
You might consider doing a vid re the Ulster Scots which are based in the North of Ireland
And don't forget the name Scotland is derived from the scotia or scoti which come from the Latin Scotus which meant the gaels and referred to Ireland, although that is going back a long ways.
What I'm saying is whether the name has "Mc" or "Mac" as a prefix it is much of a muchness, the connection between the Irish and the Scott's goes back many centuries. Which I guess doesn't have that much to do with kilts directly, no matter how much I wish it would
I would like to see such a video as well. My Clans are MacLean of Duart on my Dad's side and Smith on my Mother's side. both are Highland clans and both are members of Clan Chattan Confederation who fought at Colloden Moore in 1746.
jonathon mooney you need to do some research.scotia is a mythical tale written by medieval irish monks to give ireland an identity it never had. mc/mc and o prefixes entered ireland most likely with the scottish galoglas warriors whom the irish chiefs hired to help fight the norman invaders.
@Phr34ky PHY ireland never invented the kilt......adopted by the irish nationalists to distance themselves from the english colonials. irish tartans are fairly modern.
@@brucecollins4729 think you need to take your own advice there, a chara. "mc/mc and o prefixes entered Ireland most likely with the scottish galoglas" That is absolute nonsense. Versions of 'Mac' have been in the Irish language since Ogham stones (Maqqui, maqui etc) and 'O' is specifically Irish. "mac" along with the rest of Irish gaelic culture was originally brought to Scotland, by the Irish who colonised from the 4th/5th century onwards.
And, Johnathon is correct there on the Scoti point. "Scoti" was the classical Latin term for the Irish. The word Scot literally meant "Irish". The Scoti/ Eqypt myth was a later invention
@Phr34ky PHY Whatever about plastics being wrong, I have no idea where the fuck you got the rest of that utter ráméis from
I'm Irish born and raised, and I'd agree that Kilts are rare in Ireland, at least in the recent past...more scottish. But I wanna get one because I think they look really sharp, and there are tartans for my family name, my county, and my family's county or origin...so I have a selection to choose from LOL
I'm kind of sorry I didn't wear one for my wedding but my brother had his wedding in scotland and we all rented kilts - was fantastic...and the wedding photos are cool
Here in Texas there’s an Irish festival every year and pretty much everyone wears kilts and most of the vendors sell Scottish things. Most around here blend Scottish and Irish together
Some folks with Scottish heritage has it mixed with Irish as well. I have found out through my research that my, (our) first English, then Highland Scottish ancestors, (generations later) came through Ulster I would suspect after Culloden Which my two Highland clans; "MacLean" on my Dad's side, (our line) and "Smith" on my Mom's side both members of "Clan Chattan Confederation" were members of and fought against the English. And around the time of the Clearances thereafter when they passed into County, Ulster in Ireland making them after a generation or two, "Ulster Scots." This is a background I am very proud of. My surname; "Patton" Noah as yours is a "Sept" of the Clan MacLean of Duart and our Clan seat is located at Duart Castle on Duart Point on the Isle of Mull which is located on Scotland's west coast right where the inlet for Loch Ness is at it's south western most point as a matter of fact if you follow Loch Ness down it points right at Duart point on Mull. Just incase you may not have known, we even have a "headless horseman" in the Clan. Anyway I saw we share a surname, (same spelling and everything) and I couldn't resist.
Scotland means land of the Irish so it fits.
@@rc59191 I am pretty sure that from what I have read, ancient Irish settlers came over and settled the west coast and southern Scotland and eventually mixed with the Pictish tribes in the Northeastern quarter of the country around what is now the country around and including Aberdeen shire. so yes most Scots are decended from our Irish Brothers and sisters as well as Norse and Sweedish Vikings, and Danes. Much like the U.S., Scotland became a "Melting Pot" and through the centuries evolving into the good people we are today. But yes Scotland did start out with it's own native people, (Picts and other tribes) who flourished and settled the land. It seems we are more alike in our evolution as a country that we might think. The U.S. might be known as "The Great Melting Pot" But I like to think it was tried out and tested in Scotland first. Yet another thing we have in common. I kind of like that thought.
@@thomaspatton4401 there's nothing to suggest Irish people weren't inhabiting Scotland for before dal riada
@@mychannelgotmurderedbyyout5953 I agree. Before Dal riada, I don't think there were any Irish in Scotland or at least not as many. Mostly Pictish and other tribes, for the lack of a more accurate word for "tribe." I was speaking of events after the Irish came over and later formed the kingdom of Dal riada. I have read of an arrangement between the two that in exchange for land the Irish Noble leaders would take high born Pictish women as their brides thereby sealing the bargain and binding the two "tribes" together as one. If there is anything more to this or I have missed anything you might know about please let me know.
Thanks folks!!
The green kilt is very popular with Irish Americans on St Patrick’s day
zack flynn To us irish thats very strange
@@galoglaich3281 What do the Irish think of our association of the Great Highland Bagpipe with Ireland also? Do the Irish hold a place in their hearts for the GHB too?
@@JBrooksNYS My laptop broke down and i changed my username slightly though it actually means the same,so i am only seeing the comment now.The irish national bag is the bellows blown Uilleann(ilin) or elbow pipes in english its revered and the best players are household names ,GHB is just another instrument like the guitar we also play and we do associate it with scotland.They are many pipebands and There are competitions in the traditional music festivals called fleadhs ,but as i said its just another instrument whereas the uilleann pipes are revered as the king of traditional irish musical instruments and would be the national symbol if it wasn't for the harp.
@@galoglaich3281 I like the way the Americans change things. Helps to keep it a living evolving tradition and I think that's a healthy thing. It's still always recognisable as connected to Irish culture. The only reason we have a parade on St Patrick's Day is because the Irish Americans/Irish immigrants in America started it in New York, [the police I believe] and the custom spread to Ireland and is now spreading around the world even in places that have barely heard of the Irish.
Any thoughts on Welsh family tartans and cilts? Definitely a recent invention.
We've done a few videos on welsh tartans and accessories:
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I always figured Irish kilts should be worn with trousers, not only to differentiate them from Scottish kilts but because the Irish léine was often worn alongside triubhas.
Interestingly, although kilts apparently weren't widely worn outside of Scotland, there is some evidence for them being worn occasionally almost everywhere Celtic culture survived including Galicia in Spain. Somewhere I've seen a portrait from the 18th century of a Galician bridgroom wearing a kilt complete with some sort of tartan-like pattern.
me too, there are also sculptures of Galician warriors wearing something like the modern kilt.
Also the Kilt is derived from the original Gaelic clothing, which was worn like a dress with a kilt/skirt on the bottom. Called Leine
Why would Spanish people wear a kilt! A kilt is a wool Blanket wrapped around the body used to survive the cold weather, it doesn't get that cold in Spain even in winter.
@@iloveponis no a kilt was originally a Blanket belted to the body! It was never a shirt! People would wear leine under the kilt though.
@@drrd4127 the styling of wearing a skirt like garment under the typical tunic part is likely leine inspired, but yeah the kilt comes from the Brat
yeah many people confuse the leine or feileadh mor for a kilt when they see pictures of the medieval Irish, the Irish adopted the kilt as they do not have a modern traditional dress. The leine was not modernised like the kilt.
Funny thing is Scottish people wore Leine under their kilts!
This is awesome. Thank you.
Also is there a large sentiment between Northern Ireland and Ireland? My distant relatives are from Antrim County, which, I believe is in Northern Ireland.
The sentiment is more between the 2 persuasions,More so than between the two jurisdictions.Not to say that there is not a bite there,generally speaking the nationalist catholic persuasion has a much stronger affinity than the rest of ireland than the rest of the Uk and the Protestant Unionist community are the Opposite.Basically Nationalists will cross the border into the republic quite often whereas unionists much less so and are more likely to take the ferry over to britain.
As far as i know the 'feileadh' is just a wrap of cloth held on by a belt - but they are rare. The Scot's kilt is much more easy to wear.
One ancient piece of clothing that was uniquely Gaelic and uniquely Irish was the Brat.
It was essentially a style of cloak or mantle unique to the Irish, wheras by this period most cloaks were entirely meant for one purpose, the Brat seems to have been a multipurpose woollen blanket. In fact, it was such a useful and beloved garment that the Irish natives began exporting them across Europe at one point, and it seems to be the only piece of Gaelic dress that was worn universally in both City's and rural areas. Brehon laws indicate that there was an active culture akin to the modern tartan culture, where by the amount of colours and fabrics you had on your Brat, it would show what social class you belonged to. Slaves for example wore one colour, but freemen had two, warriors were authorised for three etc.
I assume the Gaelic revivalists didn't pay great amount of attention to the Brat because around the same era, it was a feminine thing where women often wore short blankets or mantles as hoods and over their shoulders, you can see it's extremely common all across Britain at the time not just Ireland (look at any video from rural Britain in the 1890-1950 era). They probably didn't want to adopt something so associated with femininity, and although some might argue the kilt is like a skirt, it has always been considered masculine since it's adoption by the military so.
Since Scotland in the early period also dressed in the same clothing as the Irish, Leine, trews, etc. They also made great use of the Brat, so much so, that they began making them longer and longer and eventually you had kilts. It seems in the West in Ireland around the 1500's, the Leine grew longer and baggier around the sleeves, wheras in Scotland, the Brat grew longer and the leine grew shorter. But by the mid 1500's, Gaelic dress began to be heavily persecuted in Ireland, which meant Ireland lost the tradition around the same time the Scottish kilt began to emerge.
Perhaps the Irish would've adopted the Scottish style of Brat, or perhaps they'd have continued to evolve the Leine, but the point is, the Irish Brat was important to the creation of the Scottish kilt, and had the Irish clothing styles not been persecuted, they very well might've adopted the kilt. So wearing a kilt to showcase Irish heritage has some historical backing to it to an extent.
Insightful and well researched
helhest. i think you need to do more indepth research. the kilt tartan plaid etc are scottish....irish nationalists in the late 1800s adopted the kilt etc to distance themselves from the colonial english.
@@brucecollins4729 read what I actually wrote
Some Irish people adopted the Kilt during the Gaelic revival in the 1800s, some attempted to revive the Leine and Brat. Neither became much of anything. Tartan and Kilts are just as associated with the Ulster Scots as they are the native Irish
@@Innes771 look up......an leone cloth the irish leone in the 16th century-reconstructing history....it seems there is some confusion of its origins. remember scottish clans were hired by irish nobles to fight against the normans in the 12th century. they would bave been bare-legged. also, they hired scottish redshanks in the 1600s who were also bare-legged{hence the name redshanks). it appears the irish liene cloth appeared about the 16th century. or look up......a guide to traditional irish clothing the history of fashion in ireland.....the kilt is scottish. the irish adopted a lot of scottish culture to distance themselves from the english colonials in the 1800s. the irish aran jumper was not invented until the 20th century...scots women were brought over to teach them how to make them as were scottish farmers. these jumpers tho originated in guernsey. look up irish tweed - characteristics history and tradition......there is a huge scottish influence in donegal most likely tweed was taken there from scotland.
@@brucecollins4729 The léine did not appear in the 16th century as you state, but much older. The earliest texts and images of Irish people, going back centuries before, show this. The kilt is indeed Scottish. You are correct regarding the Aran jumper also. Irish tweed and Donegal tweed are not from Scotland...no evidence.
I am Scottish girl and I dated 2 Irish men in the past, I joked with my last boyfriend said "If we get married I am going to make you wear a kilt" my Irish boyfriend "Over my dead body I am wearing a kilt". It seems the Irish view the Kilt the same way Americans view kilts like it is skirt that they would be too Scared to wear themselves.
You can totally tell Irish people didn't grow up surrounded by men in kilts, it is very obvious it is not part of their culture.
It is very much in Irish culture, people have been wearing kilts their for centuries!
Well done!
On both sides of my family lay the entirety of the Celtic nations ! One of which is Cornish 😏( ya I get corny at times 😜) what are your thoughts on the Cornish Tartan’s ?
There’s a big question mark over how truly “Celtic” Ireland really was. Yes, gaeilge / Gaelic language is of the Celtic family but many Irish Christians also spoke Latin for centuries … that hard made them of that family either
So no Anglo Saxons or Bell Beakers or Germanic groups int he family ? Hardly . Hsitory is never that clear and certain or straight forward .
For many so called “Celtic Nations” they stopped being “Celtic” when the Normans arrived OR when King Henry VIII got a handle of his kingdoms .
There’s a photograph of a the 2nd Baron Ashbourne (real name William Gibson) in the photograph on another video from these guys, Ashbourne was a huge proponent of the kilt in Irish society. While he and his family were major contributors to the recording of Irish history, there was nothing remotely Irish Gaelic - Celtic about them bar being born in Ireland .
It’s a bit like King Charles, formerly the Prince of Wales, often being seen up in Scotland wearing a kilt .(albeit his granny was Scottish )
A aunt of the 2nd Barron tried to kill Mussolini in 1926 !
There are pipe bands in Ireland that wear kilts for exhibitions, performances and competitions. Other than that, you are not likely to ever see one worn in Ireland.
Yes, it's very much a ceremonial dress here. However, sometimes you can see kilts worn in Dublin... by visiting Scottish football fans ...
@@paulohagan3309 So why do testimonials say the opposite on this social network? Liars?
@@Redtartan1973 In my experience and I've been over a large part of Ireland in my time, people in Ireland do not wear the kilt as everyday clothing. The only kilts I've seen in Dublin in the last 20 years have been worn by people who were obviously Scottish football fans.
Fine for them, I'm simply stating a fact, people can wear what they want [and these days, more and more, they do] and I'm all for variey.
You've got testimonials by people? Irish people? Testifying that they wear the kilt on a regular basis? Fair enough, send me a link, I'd be genuinely curious.
So should I wear county tartan or saffron with my broad black brimmer?
Can you trace your ancestry to a certain county?
Just be American and stop pretending to be something that you are not . I know that you are probably joking by the way
I PERSONALLY KNEW A FELLOW THAT WAS AT LEAST PARTLY BROUGHT UP IN IRELAND. HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE I. R. A. I MET HIM IN 1974. DURING THAT TIME HE HAD A BATHROBE IN THE DUBLIN TARTAN THAT HE ACTUALLY POINTED OUT TO ME. NOW THAT WAS IN 1974. HE TOOK ME TO MY FIRST SCOTTISH HIGHLAND GAMES THEN , THE G. M. H. G. AND GATHERING OF SCOTTISH CLANS 1974.
I know this is an older video, but when you refer to '90 or '95, are you referring to 1890 or 1990?
I have lots of irish relations on both sides of the border and on both sides of the religious divide and none of them wore a kilt.
According to my dad no one he knee in Rodommon were he lived for 20 years ever woe kilts.
Might what are called Scots Irish have some impact on this idea?
Northern Ireland it's more common than Ireland. Like Ulster were the Scotts Irish came from. The Ulster plantation brought kilted wear to Northern Ireland. You guys totally failed on this one. There are a few family tartans from Northern Ireland. And this explains how the tartans made it to Ireland.
Very much doubt it most of the ulster planters were lowlanders who never wore kilts or even spoke gaelic. There were however some scottish highland clans in ulster who brought over redshank mercenaries to fight along side irish rebels who did wear kilts hence there name because there legs were red from the cold.Your mixing up tartans and kilts ,the irish wore tartan trousers for centuries,but not so much kilts.I am from the republic ,but i doubt if its that popular certainly not among the nationalist catholic persuasion and you don't see them in Orange Order Marches and if its not worn there it can not be much of a thing.
those irish county tartans will never catch on in ireland,because the colours are totally wrong ,some i have seen like mayo and donegal have colours that irish people would recognise as their county colours.Whereas kilkennys traditional colours is black and amber but the tartan i have seen is blue and gold which is the colours of their neighbouring and closest sporting rivalry tipperary and tipperarys tartan is maroon which is also the colours of their other neighbouring county galway.It was a scottish company who had a fuzzy understanding of irish culture who designed these tartans in business terms it didn't really matter since the market is primarily north american.
It might be a clever idea to put together a group of people in each county to design a tartan print each for their own county and compare their finished tartans to make sure they are differenced enough and each county group select a Representative from their group to submit their tartan to their county official for approval and acceptance. then they could be taken to the Lord Lyon at the Scottish Tartan Registry for Approval. The idea is to give the people what they want. Something that represents "them." And who knows, such a thing might catch on. But then, what do I know. I'm just an obscure person in the U.S. (not even in Ireland.) Being from Ohio, I would not even presume to have a voice in such a thing. But, all the same, it might be a clever idea.
@@thomaspatton4401 Yes it would be a good idea,but realistically it can't be any otherway at present.There wouldn't be sufficient interest in ireland for tartanry as yet anyway but you never know . Thanks for your suggestion though.
@@galoglaich3281 Well, the thought was good and well intended. Thanks for considering it. Too bad though, I would have liked to see the Great Talent of the Irish people in such a project. I would bet good money it would have been impressive! Here's to what may come.
Did tartan travel to Scotland from Ireland? Dunno. But there is also the Galloglass or the Gallogaels to consider. So I'd say tartan was almost definitely worn in Ireland by GalloGaels from the time of the Bruce onwards, and probably quite widely and much earlier during the time of the Brehons.
are you a Mcarthur clan member,Brìain?
Did the gallowglass (gallóglaigh) have any tartan materials in their clothing? - Possibly, but definitely not necessarily so. Their traditional garb was based around the saffron lèine and not the great kilt, as that wasn't a thing in medieval Scotland yet. Incidently the lèine was often dyed with urine, as saffron was not easily available and would have been expensive. I am descended from the gallowglass by the way, as I have McCabe ancestry 🙂
@@richardeasterlow6988 the scottish galoglas garb was not based round the irish leine cloth. irish nationalists adopted the kiltandother things scottish to distance themselves from the colonial english.
I agree about the reason for the adoption of the kilt etc in Ireland, but the galloglass in Ireland were originally from Scotland (Norse Gaels by origin). My point is the garb wouldn't have changed when they moved from Scotland to Ireland. The lèine was worn in both Scotland and Ireland during the medieval period and predates the kilt.
@@richardeasterlow6988 the kilt is a modern update (18th century) of the older plaid which was wrapped around the body with a skirt like bottom half which was all from the same cloth. this was not a fashion statement but a functional use of material to combat the cold wet climate of scotland. the norse galls were a mixture of the indigenous picts, the galls and the danes/norse. like i wrote, irish nationalists adopted the kilt in the late 1800s to distance themselves from the colonial english. the irish hired the scottish galoglas to help fight of the normans. then in 1600 the irish again hired scottish redshanks. they were called redshanks because the wore the belted plaid. in otherwords they were bare legged.
Oldest kilt found in a bog.
Remember Scotland names after US .
The Scotus … The name for the Irish up til 8th .
Ogyia was name given by Aristotle and the Greeks to the Irish .
Means The Ancient Ones …
Our culture went west not the other way
@kilmichael..lol scotus is a nonsense tale.
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Have to say, I've been to Scotland and it wasn't common dress there either ... it's a chilly northern country where the climate encourages breeks [Scots not American meaning...] not kilts, d'ye ken?
There is tartan/plaid that has been described by the brehons in more ancient times, so it might well have been reasonably popular in Ireland around the time of the brehons.
Brian tartan is thousands of years old and tartan trousers and even leine would have been worn ,but the question is did they wear kilts.Battle of kinsale 1601 and battle of culloden 1745 ,the 144 year difference is crucial to understand why we know so much more about scottish gaelic culture and more has survived.than irish gaelic culture.
@@galoglaich3281 I like your use of the word 'survived'. Whether or not the Irish wore the great kilt prior to so much of their culture being wiped out is a big unanswered question. The accuracy or reliability of surviving records also has to be questioned.
@@briaincampbellmacart6024 They are tons of records written in old irish that have never been translated and probably never will be .With the result is that much of sources we have are through an english lens who were colonising the country and had no interest in anything other than the denigration of the culture of the conquered.
You do know the Scoti were Irish and the Dal Rhiada clans settled Western Scotland displacing the Picti ...right?
@beardedchieftain........wrong.
@@brucecollins641 Are you?
@@BeardedChieftain the scoti are believed to be a tribe who came from the gaulish regions of europe. they were always at war with the romans there so they fled to england but when the romans invaded england they then fled to and settled scotland..hence "gallic" in scotland . no the mythical gaelic.
Using that argument kilts aren't "popular" in Scotland either. They literally only wear them for a wedding or funeral..
I took a trip through Scotland Aug 2023 and saw several men wearing kilts and while in Edinburgh and Glasgow I saw business men on public transportation in kilts so not sure how unpopular they really are.
@ramonpfister2424 most of the people you see wearing kilts are tourists . And if you saw "business man" they were more than likely going to a special occasion. People who live in the U.K. rarely wear them... I mean you can look it up
Why I saw a few businessmen so I guess there were a lot of special occasions going on😂
@@KingFergus It's a cliche, few tourists dare to wear a kilt, they are intimidated, believe that it is reserved for Scottish or Celtic people.If you wear a kilt in Scotland simply casually, most of the tourists in sneakers and blue jeans will be speechless:)
@user-dp8lc5hr7r I have a few kilts and wear them occasionally (irish in America) and it does cause a lot of looks and questions
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The kilt is not Irish and never will be. Please, Irish Americans, stop wearing it. The trad garment of the Irish is the léine which I wear everyday.
Even in Brittany, Kilts are common. In fact, the Welsh use them traditionally too
Within the first hour woo hoo
We wore tartan trousers, but not kilts they where just a Scottish thing
you are a liar I still got my family Kilt from Ireland from the 1700 and it did exist
nathan bennett i have lived in ireland all my life and the only time i have seen kilts is on pipers and dancers.Pipers still wear kilts but the dancers rarely do since riverdance show in 1994.Michael flately performed in trousers so male dancers naturally wanted to emulate their hero so dancing in trousers became fashionable.
Yeh right. It was Pádraig Pearse who invented the modern failed Irish kilt....yeh, but you know best.
Tartans on kilts were actually a geographic designation and mever a family one. That is an invention of advertising companys to sell kilts to americand with a scottish last name
If that's a Royal Irish bagpiper then you have him under the wrong flag. And you are insulting the Northern Ireland Protestant people.
Im ex royal irish the battalion isnt owned by protestant culture and i will show you thousands of pictures of my tours to Afghanistan and the ones before where the british flag and irish flag fly side by side, although they are a british regiment and it should be stated, having them next to an irish flag would be found offensive by very few who served, especially since the ethos of the battalion is that it recruits everywhere on the island, it is know as an all ireland battalion.
Absolutizm never bears good fruit.
@@diarmaitodyna8614 id agree generally to a certain degree but i could also show you pictures of royal irish with sashes and loyalists paramilitaries flags ect. Having served in them myself, not that i agree with such acts or par took in them
@@funwithflags7506 yeah plenty of loyalist flags also in the battalion, my issue was the man said associating the battalion with the south is insulting, my point was noone from the battalion i know Protestant or Catholic would take real offence, especially since the recruiting ethos of the battalion is that it promotes recruitment from both N.ireland and the republic. So its him who is offended and basically dont use the battalion to justify it. Always good to run into one of the boys FAB mate.
@@diarmaitodyna8614 absolutely
Evidently you guys don't know your history, the cells and Gaelic wore kilts as early as the 11th century
Evidently, you don't know *your* history. They wore the leine, not the kilt, nor the great kilt. Do you really think you'd know more, than they would lol?
And not to mention the modern kilt was invented by an Englishman. Tartans are fine as they actually go back to Celtic culture, but not family lineages etc. 😊