Cosmoteer Basic Guide: Armor Weaving

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  • Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024

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  • @savagecabbagedank3771
    @savagecabbagedank3771 Год назад +140

    Hopefully, once Cosmoteer gets the recognition I feel it deserves, your channel will serve to provide advice to newer players. I'm looking forward to seeing this technical aspect of ship building being expanded upon with the upcoming overhaul of Cosmoteer. Very excited to see how this game in its final product will turn out.

    • @_Seinosuke_
      @_Seinosuke_ Год назад

      :)

    • @Deppie_____
      @Deppie_____ Год назад

      It did! I bought it after seeing it the first time, probably because it just shot up in popularity

  • @Brigand231
    @Brigand231 Год назад +21

    Holy crap, that's amazing! I just picked this game up Thursday and I'm glad I did! I thought it was going to be a "simple" space ship game, but noooooooo, it has depth for days!
    Thanks for posting this.

  • @jj003333
    @jj003333 Год назад +51

    I was playing the demo and armor weaved on instinct. Later on I went to redesign my ship and removed the armor weaving. The very next battle I got into they shot straight through the armor that was no longer weaved and destroyed me pretty much instantly. Took some head scratching to figure out what I had done and to re-implement armor weaving.

  • @semionion
    @semionion 2 года назад +34

    This is really good, I always used 1x1s on my ships for the sake of easier placement of components (I build corridor/shape, then armour, then components) With this I might be able to create even stronger ships and mega ships.

  • @tomsterbg8130
    @tomsterbg8130 Год назад +10

    As a new player this is amazing to see! Such a simple concept can upgrade your ship for free if you use your brain right. Amazing stuff

  • @7kshadowrunner975
    @7kshadowrunner975 Год назад +3

    I hope more people come here. This is a great guide.

  • @jacobfarkas3916
    @jacobfarkas3916 Год назад +11

    Great visuals on this explanation! And awesome game! I just downloaded the demo on steam and I now know what the next 20 hours of my life is going to be.

  • @cosmictraveler731
    @cosmictraveler731 Год назад +3

    It's basic geometry but somehow I was missing this. Thank you for this video. I just started playing this game 3 days ago and I love it

  • @shannonelledge1313
    @shannonelledge1313 Год назад +1

    omg i took over one of your ships/bases in cosmoteer! I was like waaaaait...... when it clicked. Rock on. Very cool stuff!

  • @twigglywiggly4538
    @twigglywiggly4538 Год назад +1

    These videos are key for people like me with under 20 hours of gameplay time. Ty ty ty ty ty

  • @blackcat7k
    @blackcat7k Год назад +1

    Game keeps looking better and better.

  • @ovetown3184
    @ovetown3184 2 года назад +3

    these are so good cosmoteer is a really good game to get deep into and optimize ships im definitly gonna sub

  • @evangold4748
    @evangold4748 Год назад +3

    I anxiously await a future video on the optimization of conveyor belt hallways!

  • @lokiweb2165
    @lokiweb2165 Год назад

    honestly forgot about cosmoteer for a few years till i saw a video by lathrix on it returning

  • @EnerJetix
    @EnerJetix 2 года назад +7

    Very helpful and entertaining. Great vid

  • @Mini-jm2ec
    @Mini-jm2ec Год назад +4

    Tysm! This has been so useful, I hope you keep this series going 😈

  • @JoshuaGanoTyraxLightning
    @JoshuaGanoTyraxLightning Год назад +1

    Thank you so much for your Guides! :)

  • @dqb5156
    @dqb5156 2 года назад +2

    Nice thx good to know now that the full release is on the horizon and i can start multiplayer with my buds

  • @JanskiPolanski
    @JanskiPolanski Год назад +1

    Third video i watch on your channel.
    Thanks for sharing. Very helpful content!

  • @thenarrator3616
    @thenarrator3616 Год назад +1

    I’ve been cosmoteer for awhile and I found this extremely helpful thx!!!

  • @timothypryor7952
    @timothypryor7952 Год назад

    Wow this is a huge difference!

  • @anhduc0913
    @anhduc0913 Год назад

    Enemies: *Use armor weaving*
    Railgun: "I have no such weakness."

  • @XShadowCatzX
    @XShadowCatzX 2 года назад +13

    I’ve been building multi-million credit ships for a while now, and have always used exclusively wedges and 1x1s. Thanks for the info!
    Sidenote, said ships i’ve been building have been using every weapon, excluding small cannons and ion beams. Yes, that means i’ve been using railguns. Should i be using exclusively ion beams instead of exclusively railguns, or a mix of both?
    edit: by exclusively, i mean that the middle of the front of my ships are exclusively railguns currently. i still have other weapons.

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  2 года назад +9

      All weapons have strengths and weaknesses. Rails have long range and burst, but suffer when needing to get through a lot of defenses. Ions have super good sustained damage, but have a lack of range, etc. One option is rarely outright superior. Hybridization, or having both weapon systems gives you flexibility at the cost of raw power

  • @Phrosphor
    @Phrosphor Год назад +1

    Another great video, thank you again for making these!

  • @GameWatcher545
    @GameWatcher545 Год назад +1

    Great guide for these things, thanks!

  • @errortrek2290
    @errortrek2290 Год назад +1

    Thanks,explains why i often win against my friend He uses Type 1 and i type 2 armor but now i will also use type 3 Armor in my ships against him

  • @wetsock6334
    @wetsock6334 2 года назад +3

    very ensightful

  • @nelsondfg211
    @nelsondfg211 Год назад +2

    Thanks for the tips, I always used single block

  • @ManKidRides
    @ManKidRides Год назад +2

    I'd like to see a comparison between weaving horizontal and diagonal if you've not done it already, But thanks for this, very good proof of weaving benefits, now let me go change from single blocks!!! lol

  • @SeverelyLesionedDorsolateraPFC
    @SeverelyLesionedDorsolateraPFC Год назад +1

    Holy shit man you came empirical evidence with control conditions. Only thing missing was you conducting a T test and controlling at ª=0.05

  • @dieminestinkt
    @dieminestinkt Год назад +2

    The only problem I have with this demonstration is that it's 8 layers thick armor....
    And that in fact the effect only shows when it is that thick. Most weapons still seem to penetrate 4 layers deep in roughly the same amount of time.
    So I guess armor weaving only matters when you're building huge ships

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад +3

      The purpose of using lots of armor is to show how it stacks up over time. You are correct in that there is minimal effect, but it adds up and is easy to do, and as the thumbnail demonstrates it can still take effect with as few as two layers. A lot of competitive ships do have similar levels of high frontal armor, such that there can be massive rather than minor differences if you weave of not

    • @catfoodbob1
      @catfoodbob1 Год назад

      Also, something that coudl be a cool update in future is if they had a armor integrity system that can disperse damage to adjacent armors that would probably make weaving stronger but might not make it that strong

    • @Rouzuki
      @Rouzuki Год назад +2

      2 layers is all you'd need to effectively have an increase in defense from weaving armor from weapons fire that's coming in perpendicular to your armor. That's because a 2x1 block of armor is 8000 HP no matter where you hit it, so if you weave the 2 layers, perpendicular fire has to penetrate 24K HP instead of 16K HP if you simply stack it (or worse, 12K HP if you stack 1x1 armors).
      Things change when the weapon fire is angled and not perpendicular but you're more likely to face perpendicular fire than constantly angled shots imo.

  • @hawthornhobbit
    @hawthornhobbit Год назад +1

    this is awesome stuff! Thank you.

  • @blazikeaton7478
    @blazikeaton7478 Год назад +1

    wow armor is more complex than i thought

  • @SwitchyWitch_
    @SwitchyWitch_ 2 года назад +3

    Wasn't walt planning on removing 1x2s or are they getting saved afterall, since if they are getting saved, might use armor weaving for whatever megaproject I come up with when the game fully releases

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  2 года назад +4

      He was considering it at one point, but has yet to do it or plan on doing it

    • @SwitchyWitch_
      @SwitchyWitch_ 2 года назад +1

      @@SarisWinterwisp Yeah I remember him talking about possibly removing them at one point hence why I asked, wasn't sure if he had confirmed it yet or not so yeah :P

  • @Qawa
    @Qawa 2 года назад +4

    i’m coining the term “bricked armour” :)
    btw, what about 33% offset? (like how brick walls are irl structures.) How would the 1/3 offset compare to 1/2 offset? I’m a bit interested but don’t have the time to test it lol. - Qawa

    • @semionion
      @semionion Год назад +2

      There's no 1x3 or 1x4 long armour, only 1x1 and 1x2 armour, so you can't do that unfortunately

  • @dennylukman1801
    @dennylukman1801 Год назад +1

    So, basically the concept of metal scale of medieval armor? Even composite armor of modern MBT does weave.

  • @magnus_cockstrong
    @magnus_cockstrong Год назад

    this is very useful information.

  • @NickAndriadze
    @NickAndriadze 2 года назад +4

    Wow, this is an absolutely overpowered strategy that I have never been paying any mind to (I always just spammed as many 1x2 armor on my ships as possible). Will definitely use them later if I do not care for this game's meta much (However I still care for efficiency).
    Also, does this arrangement work on diagonal ships or does the 45 degree angle mess with or even improve the effectiveness of the bricked armor?

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  2 года назад +6

      It still can assist diagonal ships. Not to the same degree as linear ones, but it's still definitely better than using 1x1s

    • @NickAndriadze
      @NickAndriadze 2 года назад +2

      @@SarisWinterwisp Got it, thanks for replying.

  • @danababuangadi8919
    @danababuangadi8919 Год назад +1

    Amazing advice wow

  • @Phrosphor
    @Phrosphor Год назад

    Is it more effective to have an armor weave that is at an angle to enemy fire? For example taking hits at a 30-45 degree angle to the incoming fire instead of 'head-on'?

    • @Rouzuki
      @Rouzuki Год назад

      The reason why armor weaving is effective is because it forces weapons fire to hit more 2x1 armor blocks than any other design. There for needing to burn through a larger pool of HP before passing through to the next layer.
      So if you can figure out a pattern that catches weapon fire by more individual 2x1 armor blocks, then yeah, it would be better.

  • @templargfx
    @templargfx Год назад

    that was very helpful, thanks for the share!

  • @Ivan_Berni
    @Ivan_Berni Год назад

    Very useful information, there is a lot to learn to improve the ships.

  • @hakimmarauder5191
    @hakimmarauder5191 Год назад +1

    Bro love your content. Can't wait to buy Cosmoteer when it released. Got any specific date when it's release? On steam it said 2022

  • @lorddragontree
    @lorddragontree Год назад

    Useful info. Thanks!

  • @henryplumb5200
    @henryplumb5200 Год назад +1

    I would argue in situations where armor blocks are on a corner, it might be best to do 1x1s, as the remaining armor from one arc of fire will protect you from another arc of fire, whilst weave wont protect it as well because it'd be spent on protecting from that single arc of fire. But I do agree if you are armoring a long surface its best to weave.

  • @noneofyourbusiness4133
    @noneofyourbusiness4133 Год назад

    Holy shit, it’s Reassembly but different!!!!!

  • @snakerman2612
    @snakerman2612 Год назад +1

    Saris I've been watching your tournaments for a long time, and you seem like an obnoxious person. BUT, this was a really good video

  • @hommhommhomm
    @hommhommhomm Год назад

    great mechanic

  • @lestertheguy1734
    @lestertheguy1734 Год назад

    I’m always going for regular, I want the least damage on one armor, I don’t get laser beam enemies, cause you can kill em fast enough with shields and cannons

  • @DrinkingDeuterium
    @DrinkingDeuterium Год назад +1

    Great video! Can you also do an explanation of weaving on diagonal ships?

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад +2

      Well there isn't that much difference, regular weaving works, just weave it facing away from your ship. (Assuming your ship points up and left) Your left side should face up and your right side should face right

    • @123fffaaarrrttt
      @123fffaaarrrttt Год назад

      @@SarisWinterwisp But If you had a diagonal ion beam ship you didn't want to turn and were taking damage head on you would be better with un-woven armor...
      Weaving armor essentially tilts the armor layering 45 degrees (puts more blocks in the bullet path and narrows damage gaps) which a diagonal ship already has naturally. So weaving should actually weaken the defense from the front while strengthening the defenses from 45 degrees diagonal.

  • @bigbear5665
    @bigbear5665 Год назад

    So helpful!!! Thx

  • @fiesesalien
    @fiesesalien Год назад +1

    Checked with newer video. Still: Videos way too quiet. You can easily add 2 to 3 db on top of your current loudness and then you would achieve a good balance for all listeners. Those who twist knobs and volume sliders constantly will usually not have to if they encounter good mastered videos. Headphone users hear everything no matter how quiet your audio will be and the rest will be thankful to not have to constantly think about not forgetting to lower the volume again after your video(s).
    Stay crunchy.

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад

      Thanks, it's hard to try and find a good balance, especially since my microphone is actually a headset that's been chewed on by a cat 😅. I'll try to fix accordingly

    • @fiesesalien
      @fiesesalien Год назад +1

      ​@@SarisWinterwisp Heya.
      Depending on the tool you're using you should've audio tools built in. If not, 'DaVinci Resolve' is a great (free) professional tool. The usual thing to aim at is your loudness being around -12db. I personally feel -10db or even -8 to -7db for quieter voices much better. -12db is usually fine for musical content -10db usually for general audio content that evolves around talking.
      I think you should be just fine with -10db. That level of audiolevel will cover headphone, speaker and boxes/monitor users. Sure, it's not perfect but you're not someone who needs perfect audio ^^ Oh, I forgot: Loudness is not master-output. Most integrated audio tools should have a loudness meter too.
      Stay crunchy.

  • @ldhhd6608
    @ldhhd6608 Год назад

    The reason for my asking, is due to crackling/distorting soft, whenever the drum/snare, or whatever is playing. TNice tutorials was the case off

  • @theronin942
    @theronin942 Год назад

    so is basically like having slopped armor in a tank!

  • @pupernickel
    @pupernickel Год назад

    very helpfull video... thank you

  • @eba6230
    @eba6230 Год назад

    How to stretch a 30 second explanation into 11 min video blows my mind….

  • @Cubianify
    @Cubianify Год назад

    Hey Saris, thx for the interesting guide. I hope there are more to come!
    Ive seen that on the Monolith Executor, there is no armor weaving on the front sections. Is that intentional?
    Thought i might ask since you made it :p

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад

      Yes, I thought it looked interesting and was used on a few other high end Monolith ships

    • @Cubianify
      @Cubianify Год назад

      ​@@SarisWinterwisp Ah okay. Nice to know. Do you know a way to transfer crew roles and squad orders from a blueprint into career mode? Doesnt seem to work.

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад

      @@Cubianify Unfortunately not, that's something that will be fixed sometime in development

  • @cptnoname
    @cptnoname Год назад +1

    wasn't walt considering removing 2x1 armor?

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад +1

      At one point, but it seems as though he's yet to follow through

  • @scp--wc9zv
    @scp--wc9zv Год назад

    How wide should the woven armor be? Can I get a 20 width woven armor or do I need to weave in 4 width stacks?

  • @heirofcarnage1782
    @heirofcarnage1782 Год назад

    Is armor preferable to energy shields? Shields seem like a better option to me because they limit repairs needed, but I'm not an expert.

    • @Oneye.
      @Oneye. Год назад

      Burst damage and disruptors/EMP missiles go through shields relatively quickly, while armor doesn't have any direct counters. Shields also require a power source nearby to be effective which can mean putting your reactors close to the edge of your ship where they're vulnerable. Of course armor can't protect surface turret weapons, meaning you have to use ions, rails, missiles, or the upcoming deck cannons. They both have their uses.

  • @anthonylewis5503
    @anthonylewis5503 Год назад +2

    HOW DOES RUclips KNOW I GOT THIS GAME

  • @cyantasks7129
    @cyantasks7129 Год назад

    what about weaving larger pieces of armour

  • @FuriousDave
    @FuriousDave Год назад

    Have you considered setting up a spaced armour layout against explosive AOE weapons, where you’d have the same level of protection with less weight

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад +1

      Spaced armor is actually pretty complex with a lot of it's interactions. You are correct in that it's resistant to AOE more so, but trying to mention it would require it's own video

    • @FuriousDave
      @FuriousDave Год назад +1

      @@SarisWinterwisp do you think that a more detailed armour model / simulation would benefit this game?
      For example, angling the armour against projectile weapons like the cannons can cause ricochets, and also when angled against explosive type weapons the damage is reduced depending on the angle.

    • @nommy8599
      @nommy8599 Год назад +1

      @@SarisWinterwisp Would love to see a spaced armor guide. I'm watching this hoping you said something about it and it's also why I'm in comments :) Also thanks!

  • @FlakAttack0
    @FlakAttack0 Год назад

    What is the best way to set up diagonal armor?

  • @draxiss1577
    @draxiss1577 Год назад

    I just downloaded the demo and I'm confused. At around 6:54 you said that new players struggle against railguns. How do new players struggle with railguns if they're not available in the demo?

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад +2

      The classic version of this game that has existed for like seven years now has an extensive multiplayer history, of which yielded lots of results

    • @draxiss1577
      @draxiss1577 Год назад

      @@SarisWinterwisp Oh shoot when I downloaded Classic I was greeted with a message suggesting I should pick up the demo instead so I figured the Demo had all the bells and whistles.

  • @lidltraut8258
    @lidltraut8258 Год назад

    I only got one question? Does it help against nules in any way? Like spreading out the damage sort of?

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад

      A bit, but not in a super effective fashion. If you're trying to counteract nukes specifically having small armor caps connected by structure are usually more efficient

    • @lidltraut8258
      @lidltraut8258 Год назад

      @@SarisWinterwisp i appreciate the swift reply, ill have to try that out, thank you

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад +1

      @@lidltraut8258 Worth noting that it's almost always superior to dodge nukes than tank them. They will crunch through armor and shields quite easily, and they're one of the most easily dodged weapons in the game

  • @jeromemagquilat3050
    @jeromemagquilat3050 Год назад

    you forgot to test NE/SW hits

  • @gustavmeier1953
    @gustavmeier1953 Год назад

    This feature would be very nice if you actually could bring weapons inside the ship like this its pretty useless why armor when i can have more missile launcher

    • @arcanumelite4853
      @arcanumelite4853 Год назад

      I believe there are plans for transforming ships... moving parts and all that... maybe it might be possible to do that then? who knows..

  • @arthurcirilo4448
    @arthurcirilo4448 Год назад

    Brick weaving build armor?

  • @aggressivertyp9663
    @aggressivertyp9663 2 года назад +2

    you are a little quiet please try to bumb your sound up a bit thank you

  • @FBI8625
    @FBI8625 Год назад +1

    does this apply to the classic?

  • @GAmade-wo5dn
    @GAmade-wo5dn Год назад +1

    How do you have this version of the game

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад +2

      I was hired by Walt (the dev) to make in-game space ships for the campaign

    • @tormentor-Z
      @tormentor-Z Год назад +1

      @@SarisWinterwisp holy shit I've been dreaming about that for months

  • @gccore26
    @gccore26 Год назад

    Amigo sube más videos plz

  • @alidgamerstv5732
    @alidgamerstv5732 Год назад

    I already have an account so when the steam version releases will I be able to get it for free?

  • @daveharris555
    @daveharris555 Год назад

    hi Seris, welcome to thje game
    demo what?

  • @cheapcheating6219
    @cheapcheating6219 Год назад +1

    3 by 3 crew quarters exposed

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад

      None of these ships except for the top one were designed for combat

  • @Kokice5
    @Kokice5 Год назад +1

    afaik you are not allowed to post videos

    • @SarisWinterwisp
      @SarisWinterwisp  Год назад +1

      I personally and directly asked Walt for his permission before posting

    • @Kokice5
      @Kokice5 Год назад

      @@SarisWinterwisp oh ok cool

  • @KleptomaniacJames
    @KleptomaniacJames Год назад

    this is incredibly disappointing

    • @uhmwhy599
      @uhmwhy599 Год назад +1

      you are incredibly disappointing

    • @savagecabbagedank3771
      @savagecabbagedank3771 Год назад +3

      “This is incredibly disappointing”, is what your parents said when they had you

    • @KleptomaniacJames
      @KleptomaniacJames Год назад

      @@savagecabbagedank3771 how very juvenile