Thanks so much for this video ! NEC now makes an extended length lever, for no extra charge, perhaps due to your suggestion? By accident my son gave me a Avid (Sram) Code rear caliper and hose and there I say trying to figure out how to connect to the 6mm x 1.0 thread of the master cylinder. Well your video covered that with the wall-mart fitting! At 70 years old, riding gas dirt bikes most of my life, I am just not wired to "Pull in the Clutch Lever" to apply the rear brake ! I can do it if not in a panic state, but when I really Really need to hit the brakes, it just doesn't come natural... So glad NEC makes this and that you pioneered the installation.
Once you’ve been riding a dirtbike for 20+ years and all your muscle memory knows is to smash the foot brake, it’s super dangerous if all of a sudden it’s not there when you really need it. Sadly, i learned from experience which is why I bought this foot brake for mine. :)
Great video. I had to send mine back. Wasn't NTC. I couldn't get the pump to create pressure.tried all my tricks. Should have just gotten a quality pump. I may try again. I am old school like your dad, I need my foot brake 😂
Thanks a lot for making this video. I was curious when I first saw this product listed a couple of months ago, why anyone would want or need it for the Sur Ron. Cheers.
Thanks for the review! Was thinking of ordering this - but ill hold off since i was worried about the spacing. They did add a new option on their site but i feel like i’d wana try before buying
I'm in favor of hand brakes, but for some like my dad, it's difficult to go back and forth between his gas bike and hand brake. He spends majority of the time on the gas bike, and surron is just for fun.
Katie, I ran the same idea by my son a couple weeks ago. Here is the problem. When you apply either the hand or the foot brake, fluid is pushed into the other master cylinder, the one you are not applying, causing master cylinder pressure in the wrong direction which could blow out the other master.Putting in line check valves to prevent this would keep fluid from returning to the master. So it looks like there is not a way to do this?
Dude, it feels so weird getting on a street motorcycle with an auto tranny. They keep the foot brake pedal where it is, but there's no lever on the left. I'm always grabbing at a phantom left lever!!!
Isnt that whole thing a mess? ... Ive been working out mine. With a remote reservoir cylinder and a junction valve. And then replacing the EDPM wiper seals with NBR. $55 for the Junction valve, $15 for a remote reservoir cylinder and $9 for NBR seals... To make the $225 kit work with the handlebar lever and keep the minimal oil caliper. Such a pain.
I got the ntc disc guard, it's nice but it should be designed better. The guard needed an axle washer to gain clearance for my floating rear disc bolts. With more than 50 years riding experience I know that a rear foot brake is a valuable control tool. I get it that ppl without my experience don't understand this. For me the ntc hydraulic rear brake kit looks too awkward, bulky, and provides only some of the parts necessary to install. I am still considering just a regen pedal..
I'm using Sur-Ron Light Bee Rear Shock 450LB products. I weigh 100kg. If I buy Rear Shock Spring 500~600 x 3.5 inch product, is it compatible with Shuron product? Is it compatible if I buy a 3.5 inch product? Thank you....
@@ridefarm5528 i stunt ride and just got my sur ron. looking into foot brake as you need it for stunts, and having both is really good. i see dual caliper bracket for sale so i will try having both
What do you mean "finally?" I haven't heard anybody even talk about this need, let alone clamor for it. This seems like a solution in search of a problem. PLUS now you have your right hand doing two things and your left doing nothing at all but hanging on. You won't find me making this VERY EXPENSIVE modification.
@@ridefarm5528 I've been riding motorcycles for > 45 years & MTB for > 30 years. I have no trouble switching back & forth. I don't try to clutch my mountain bike or twitch my feet trying to shift gears or engage the rear brake. In fact on the motorcycle I barely touch the rear brake. The front brake does 80% of the stopping, so why put all that effort into something that is so anachronistic? I can think of more than a dozen improvements to the Sur-Ron, none entail making a foot-activated rear brake. That's what the left hand is for: the rear brake, the same as every other mountain bike out there. The same as every road bike out there. How hard is it to use the left hand? It's not like there's some alternate control at the right foot. Press down on with the right foot to engage the brake and WHOOPS, nothing, there's nothing there, which instantly reminds the rider they're on a mountain bike & not a motorcycle. It's totally idiot proof. The lesson in using the left hand for the rear brake takes a grand total of one stop to figure out. "Finally?" Hardly. Thanks for the video, though, and for reaffirming that ability, like IQ distribution follows a bell-shaped curve.
@@ridefarm5528 You are a GENTLEMAN! Considerate, reserved, thoughtful, enterprising, & creative. And ultimately CORRECT. I'm not wrong. I seldom am, yet I'm terribly outspoken. It really is an unfortunate trait, although people tend to love me or hate me, & I can tell someone's IQ by which camp they fall into. I'm not being arrogant, although I am a bit arrogant generally, but I have found that typically people that like me are much smarter than average. They aren't smart because they like me, it's the reverse. They like me because they're smart. I am wrong sometimes, roughly 1 occurrence in 100 propositions. Some things I've gotten correct I have no business getting them correct, to the point of being spooky enough to scare me at how right I am when I have no business being right. I could tell you stories, strange, creepy, but true stories of venturing a solution to some strange problem than no-one has solved yet and in which I have no background knowledge, almost like Nikola Tesla with his spontaneous "visions" of completed machines that worked flawlessly. I'm not at his level, but I've had the same thing happen to me. God? The unconscious? Self delusion? Dunno, but it's weird when it happens. Thank you for the video. Now that motorcycles are going electric there is little to no need the left foot to operate a gear shifter nor the left hand to operate the clutch. I suspect that motorcycles will ultimately emulate the controls on bicycles and two-wheeled transportation control will become universally unified. I'm all about good ergonomics.
Great info! Thank you for this. I’m about to get a Sur Ron X but I really wanted the foot lever break… now I know I can make it happen.
Glad it was helpful! Bleeding process was a lot of trial and error but it’s working well so far
Thanks so much for this video ! NEC now makes an extended length lever, for no extra charge, perhaps due to your suggestion? By accident my son gave me a Avid (Sram) Code rear caliper and hose and there I say trying to figure out how to connect to the 6mm x 1.0 thread of the master cylinder. Well your video covered that with the wall-mart fitting! At 70 years old, riding gas dirt bikes most of my life, I am just not wired to "Pull in the Clutch Lever" to apply the rear brake ! I can do it if not in a panic state, but when I really Really need to hit the brakes, it just doesn't come natural... So glad NEC makes this and that you pioneered the installation.
Yes, NEC contacted me after this video and i was sent the extended lever as well! It solves the problem nicely
Although I'll never get why people want a foot brake, it's cool that you're showing the details and explaining the tricky technical issues in a video!
Thanks! I like my hand levers as well, but I guess once you get used to foot brakes, it's hard to go back
Its good for wheelies. Also eaiser to brake at higher speeds. Less hand fatigue
1 hand wheelies😂
Once you’ve been riding a dirtbike for 20+ years and all your muscle memory knows is to smash the foot brake, it’s super dangerous if all of a sudden it’s not there when you really need it. Sadly, i learned from experience which is why I bought this foot brake for mine. :)
@@Aiix ok
Wow!!! Thanks, Tom. So helpful. Love your videos!!
really pro look to your channel congrats buddy
awesome! i ride ATV/dirtbike so when i receive my sure on in June I'm buying one of these thanks for sharing!!
nice!!
Thanks for your time and the video!
Thanks for taking the jump, I have thought about it...
glad it was helpful
Great video. I had to send mine back. Wasn't NTC. I couldn't get the pump to create pressure.tried all my tricks. Should have just gotten a quality pump. I may try again. I am old school like your dad, I need my foot brake 😂
Man I love your video content on Sur-ron and all the mods 👍👍 did you ordered the Blue Sur-ron one I can't this color.
Blue is still available, ask your dealer/seller
next, how to install a 50 CC 2 stroke, kick start engine on your Sur Ron :D
Exactly
thats a downgrade for this bike a 50cc cant make 100nm of torque
😂
Thanks a lot for making this video. I was curious when I first saw this product listed a couple of months ago, why anyone would want or need it for the Sur Ron. Cheers.
Better mx feel obviously
Thanks for the review! Was thinking of ordering this - but ill hold off since i was worried about the spacing. They did add a new option on their site but i feel like i’d wana try before buying
I think hand brakes - is advanage. After gas bike you need little time to get uset to it.
I'm in favor of hand brakes, but for some like my dad, it's difficult to go back and forth between his gas bike and hand brake. He spends majority of the time on the gas bike, and surron is just for fun.
It’s nice to have both
Dood that’s so awesome I want to get one ,me and my neighbor just got sur Ron’s
Wow! nice video~~
very detail, very helpful thanks.
nice job .... put an extension to get longuer pedal ......... tell your dad before he ride a motorbike he used to have a bicycle ......lol
Exactly i would look to weld a longer foot brake
Awesome content
i think having a splitter allowing you to keep both left and right handle bar levers but also have the foot lever would be kool
Katie, I ran the same idea by my son a couple weeks ago. Here is the problem. When you apply either the hand or the foot brake, fluid is pushed into the other master cylinder, the one you are not applying, causing master cylinder pressure in the wrong direction which could blow out the other master.Putting in line check valves to prevent this would keep fluid from returning to the master. So it looks like there is not a way to do this?
It can be done, dirt bike guys who use a rekluse clutch have done dual foot and left hand brake
love the video, great info
Thanks!
I rode on after having rode my dirt bike and I almost died trying to shift and foot brake😂
I know that feeling haha
Dude, it feels so weird getting on a street motorcycle with an auto tranny. They keep the foot brake pedal where it is, but there's no lever on the left. I'm always grabbing at a phantom left lever!!!
The seller says : "due to clearance issues, the front-most peg position is not available". Isn't it your problem?
I just saw that.. it would've been nice if there was an instruction included. Thanks
So interesting! 👍🏻
Isnt that whole thing a mess?
... Ive been working out mine.
With a remote reservoir cylinder and a junction valve. And then replacing the EDPM wiper seals with NBR.
$55 for the Junction valve, $15 for a remote reservoir cylinder and $9 for NBR seals... To make the $225 kit work with the handlebar lever and keep the minimal oil caliper.
Such a pain.
mine has been working fine so far. The only thing i've done since the video is bleeding once in a while.
I don't even have a #SurRon yet but I NEED a #footbrake for #wheelies! This will be must for the stuntlot 😉
I suck at wheelies but yes it's great for that!
Try adding a spacer to the foot peg
Loved the video do you happen to know where you can order the street legal Sur Ron in the USA?
I'm not sure, but from what i roughly heard, the street legal ones are mainly for the EU market
😍😍
would this work for a talaria xxx?
Does this compromise your 2 original breaks?
Hi u need adapter in 5 mm or 6 mm?
might be a stupid question but did you consider the wired option instead of hydraulic?
I would definitely not run a wired setup
I got the ntc disc guard, it's nice but it should be designed better.
The guard needed an axle washer to gain clearance for my floating rear disc bolts.
With more than 50 years riding experience I know that a rear foot brake is a valuable control tool.
I get it that ppl without my experience don't understand this.
For me the ntc hydraulic rear brake kit looks too awkward, bulky, and provides only some of the parts necessary to install.
I am still considering just a regen pedal..
is there any way to have the handbrake and the footbrake at the same time ? i cand figure out anything related to having both
www.ntcdesigns.com/products/sur-ron-dual-rear-caliper-bracket
this will let you run both.
@@ridefarm5528 thank u so much bro
I'm using Sur-Ron Light Bee Rear Shock 450LB products.
I weigh 100kg.
If I buy Rear Shock Spring 500~600 x 3.5 inch product, is it compatible with Shuron product?
Is it compatible if I buy a 3.5 inch product?
Thank you....
Please help me..... T ^ T
폭스 3.5 스프링이 호환된다는 말이 있는데 직접해보지는 않아서 확실히는 모르겠네요 ㅎ
Moo ya ho!~~~~
Nice
This expensive and you have to adjust it ??
adjust it?
isn't 2 piston brakes a little under powered for a dirtbike
code is a 4piston brake
@@ridefarm5528 Oh sorry, looked really small to be a 4 piston. Thank you for your answer.
Is there a way to have a foot brake as well as a hand operated brake?
yes! ntc sells dual caliper mount that lets you run both. i have one ordered right now actually
www.ntcdesigns.com/products/sur-ron-dual-rear-caliper-bracket
@@ridefarm5528 Thanks bro! When you receive it, could you make a video about it?
All sur Ron upgrade are expensive
very true
hehe or you can just cut a slice in the sleeve with the hacksaw,haha done that before.
that works too haha
y tho?
In my opinion it’s a downgrade , u get much much much better moderation through you fingers than your heavy foot with boots on !!!!
I do agree with you, but it really comes down to what your background is and what you are used to more.
@@ridefarm5528 i stunt ride and just got my sur ron. looking into foot brake as you need it for stunts, and having both is really good. i see dual caliper bracket for sale so i will try having both
Just say no
What do you mean "finally?" I haven't heard anybody even talk about this need, let alone clamor for it. This seems like a solution in search of a problem. PLUS now you have your right hand doing two things and your left doing nothing at all but hanging on. You won't find me making this VERY EXPENSIVE modification.
okay
@@ridefarm5528 I've been riding motorcycles for > 45 years & MTB for > 30 years. I have no trouble switching back & forth. I don't try to clutch my mountain bike or twitch my feet trying to shift gears or engage the rear brake. In fact on the motorcycle I barely touch the rear brake. The front brake does 80% of the stopping, so why put all that effort into something that is so anachronistic? I can think of more than a dozen improvements to the Sur-Ron, none entail making a foot-activated rear brake. That's what the left hand is for: the rear brake, the same as every other mountain bike out there. The same as every road bike out there. How hard is it to use the left hand? It's not like there's some alternate control at the right foot. Press down on with the right foot to engage the brake and WHOOPS, nothing, there's nothing there, which instantly reminds the rider they're on a mountain bike & not a motorcycle. It's totally idiot proof. The lesson in using the left hand for the rear brake takes a grand total of one stop to figure out. "Finally?" Hardly. Thanks for the video, though, and for reaffirming that ability, like IQ distribution follows a bell-shaped curve.
@@TheBsavage I never said you were wrong
@@ridefarm5528 You are a GENTLEMAN! Considerate, reserved, thoughtful, enterprising, & creative. And ultimately CORRECT. I'm not wrong. I seldom am, yet I'm terribly outspoken. It really is an unfortunate trait, although people tend to love me or hate me, & I can tell someone's IQ by which camp they fall into. I'm not being arrogant, although I am a bit arrogant generally, but I have found that typically people that like me are much smarter than average. They aren't smart because they like me, it's the reverse. They like me because they're smart. I am wrong sometimes, roughly 1 occurrence in 100 propositions. Some things I've gotten correct I have no business getting them correct, to the point of being spooky enough to scare me at how right I am when I have no business being right. I could tell you stories, strange, creepy, but true stories of venturing a solution to some strange problem than no-one has solved yet and in which I have no background knowledge, almost like Nikola Tesla with his spontaneous "visions" of completed machines that worked flawlessly. I'm not at his level, but I've had the same thing happen to me. God? The unconscious? Self delusion? Dunno, but it's weird when it happens. Thank you for the video. Now that motorcycles are going electric there is little to no need the left foot to operate a gear shifter nor the left hand to operate the clutch. I suspect that motorcycles will ultimately emulate the controls on bicycles and two-wheeled transportation control will become universally unified. I'm all about good ergonomics.
Everyone is different i prefer foot brakes too because in panic mode i squeeze clutch and foot brake and drift somewhat
learn to weld aluminum and modify it!