Recirculating shower for the WIN! Changing the filters is easy, fast (and inexpensive) a no spill solution is easy to fabricate when you don't close off your imagination to the possibilities. MOST IMPORTANT you can change water WHENEVER you desire. Take a 10 minute shower (normally consumes 20 gallons) and only use 3 gallons. Drain the water and use fresh 3 gallons for your next shower. You can have six 10 minute showers (6 x 3 gallons each time = 18 gallons) for the cost of one 10 minute shower that doesn't recirculate (20 gallons bye bye) ALSO of NOTE: A UV light should be used FOR ALL VAN showers regardless if they are recirculating or non- recirculating. Kills all bacteria, mold, fungus and parasites from water sourced while "on the road" and stored "in the van"
Totally what I was thinking recirculate the water for the one shower and get fresh water each new shower. Im in a skoolie so ill just put the filters under the bus let the water spill if it may lol I totally need my hot showers and thatll save me water for more hot baths 🙂
It's a good idea but it needs more development to be good for normal use. You still have to use it sparingly to get practical use out of it before the filters have to be changed. You can't lather up with soap like you normally would shower in a recirculation shower. So all the water you claim to save is lost on you anyway. It doesn't compare to using a non recirculating system. Also 10 minutes doesn't have to be 20 gallons. low flow showerheads and sink aerators aid GPM. You can bring that number down to 11 or 12 gallons per shower just from changing the showerhead. I'd rather use a 3-5 stage filter to filter water from more questionable sources like lakes, rivers, ponds or even puddles anywhere on the ground or the ocean so that finding more water is never an issue. I'd rather a layout that stores more water. But recirculating it is just too impractical right now.
I hear you - all concerns are valid. I just finished my recirculating system, and I think I've answered all your questions, but it was insanely complicated and fairly expensive. I do have a catch tub under the filters, the option of using the regular water lines and skipping the recirculating tank altogether, and it can be drained after every shower if you want. I'll be making a video at some point. Not for the faint of heart - it involves a ton of equipment, many motorized valves and electronics - but my love for a long warm shower in the morning is strong.
Looking forward to it! there's so much about recirculating showers that is still WIP - even in which the order in which the filters should be installed! would like to see your take.
We put in a 'single use' recirculating shower in our MAN truck camper, and it works very well. You fill up the shower base with hot water (we use about 4 or so litres for a shower) and then the pump recirculates that through the shower head, so it's more like a bath than a shower. The only filter we have is a broad gauze type coarse filter to trap hair before the pump. You can have a good 5 or 6 minute shower, especially in warm climates. When it is very cold the water does start to go cold, so we add in another litre of piping hot water half way through. At the end of the shower, you let the water out down the drain hole. All this stuff with 3 filters and charcoal and etc is way too complicated, in my opinion.
My husband has been talking about doing one in our van and he watches you religiously since he found your channel so I'm glad to see you giving him the negative side to think about before we decide. 👍 -Aimee
I concidered long and hard whether to build a recirculating shower listening to both sides of the argument...I did install one, pre pump filter, carbon filter, 10 micron filter, 5 micron filter and UV filter and yes it takes maintenance. To offset the valid points about urine, fecease and soap scum....we use large wet wipes, BEFORE getting into the shower !! so we are clean, then we use the shower for a really good HOT RINCE using no products, we run the shower post showering (without us in it) so the catch tank goes through the filter system without picking up any body oils etc from us. The only issue we have is that the water can pick up a little odour after about 4 showers...I will try 2 carbon filters and a one micron filter to see if that helps. Would love to hear anyone else's system set up and experiences..
I've been pondering the logistics of a recirculating system that allows the user to direct the used shower water into a grey tank or back into the loop. Would be nice to disguard the soapy/dirtier water at the beginning of a shower, but then recirculate the water used after that. I think that would extend the filter cleaning, as you'd be passing mostly clean water through the system. All the soapy water at the beginning of a shower wouldn't be recirculated. For me, a long, hot shower is mostly enjoying the water after getting clean.
There are all sorts of configurations that make a recirc possible and practical. I haven’t heard anyone mention it but 3-way valves are a key piece of the puzzle.
Well said and totally true. I still installed one in mine and have a separate system to do the dishes and for drinking water. And i don't shower with soap, instead i soap myself before the shower using my separate system. I would not have installed a recirculating shower if i used it just as a normal camper van but i live in mine to not have to pay expensive rent, so it became a needed thing for me.
I couldn't agree more with your arguments, George. Would be much better to develop a rain collection system than a recirculating shower IMHO. Keep up the good work!!
Our shower system works better than expected. Yes, the filter change can spill some water, but that why we have a one piece rubber floor. Its all in the design and layout. I know if George sets his mind to it he could develop a superior system. Our system used 9 gallons, a lot of water for a recirculating system. Before starting the van build I prototype the shower system in my garage - yes there is a video of that. This is one of the problems I had to solve before starting the van - the boss wanted an inside shower!
Yes, I saw your shower video. I liked it. I know two solutions I saw on RUclips for the maintenance problem: One with the filters in the shower cabin behind a panel. When you do the maintenance, the water will spill in the shower pan and will be drained in the drain that goes into the grey tank. And one with the filter manifold on a board, that can be pulled out on a drawer slider, so water will spill outside when you do the maintenance. I will go to your channel later to see how far you are now.
@@MelissaJohnson23408 I looked that up. It would not work for our use. Its basically a flat shower pan and a pump to recirculate the water. But if it works for you great....
Totally agree, and it's so good having experts produce short videos explaining things like this, I'm going to have a van conversion created next year professionally and with this kind of advice/opinion it helps me make my decision. A huge thank you.
This would not be an option professionally yet, the technology is not mature enough. Too many unknowns and also who is liable when your user forgets to clean the filters and kills himself in the process, because that can happen!
Public showers and bathrooms are also gross, too. Flushing a toilet aerosolizes poop particles. Not many public toilets have lids. Hope everyone’s cleaning their shower flip flops after going to the gym. Plus bacteria can build up in shower heads. 🤢
Agree 100%. I have had to clean out the shower sump in our cruising sailboat many times when the drain get's clogged. It's one of the most gag-inducing jobs to do on a boat. I'd rather put my money and space into more water capacity.
@@MaunoKoivistoOfficial You are absolutely correct about the differences in maintenance. The point I was attempting to make (perhaps not very well) is that the grey water on the upstream side of the filters in a recirculating system is the same swill found in a boat's shower sump. Changing the filter elements is a very hands-on process and it is virtually impossible to avoid spills. Personally, I'd prefer not to handle it if possible.
WOW YES! Such a great explanation, thank you so much for vocalizing this. We've noticed a huge uptick in the interest of this topic because of a few viral van tours. Awesome perspective that so many builders should think about.
I suspect that your homemade water tank has more dangerous plasticizer chemicals in it than recirculated shower water. Just sayin. . . Love your channel though.
Yesi understand your points and they are very valid , definitely changed my thoughts on my boat build shower. Thank you for sharing your thoughts they have helped.
Thanks for this video. Im still debating on a recirculating shower. Not even for daily showers but just for after those hot and humid boon-docking days it just feels like I will be very grateful to have one. The releasing of water to change the filter is something I had not yet considered though! This video will save me a "doh why didnt I think of that" moment the first time I go to change them (if I follow through with this idea). Love all the new videos lately, thanks so much for sharing your wisdom and making me look smarter to my family and friends :)
Words of wisdom, thank you sir! As a future van lifer, I, 100%, appreciate your advice and would love any more wisdom you have experienced, and looking forward to my own to share. Bless you all.
Thank you, I have been really looking deep into the possibility of the recirculating shower in my van build and you have a very good point in your opinion and my mind is changed, more water capacity. Thanks, great videos and a joy to watch you,👍👍
As a pipefitter/ plumber for 25 yrs I agree with you 100%. Clean water and sanitary sewers are the bedrock of our civilization. Thanks George love your channel!
I absolutely agree! In fact, I don’t want an internal shower in my van at all. After 24 years in the Army I’m very comfortable and proficient at using an outdoor shower, a sink shower or baby wipes. Additionally, that’s precious real estate that can be used for storage or something else. Spot on, George!
What about a system that uses both a recirculating system and a fresh system combined? Have a long shower with a recirculating system using, say, 5 litres of water, and then when you're done, purge the recirculating water to the grey tank and switch to the fresh system to rinse yourself off. It would be similar to taking a bath at home where you'd sit in the bath and wash yourself, and then when you're done, jump in the shower to rinse off.
That's a great perspective. I HAD an idea where I wanted to put the filters until you pointed out what happens when you unscrew the cap; didn't think of that. Undercarriage isn't as practical because I live in Germany with a proper Winter. More water capacity and the suspension to carry it are two upgrades I will make to my van. Thanks for the video. 😊🚚
The weight and space saved from the filter setup and spare filters vs the space and weight for the extra water and gray tank space is a a factor. Would just make a bigger water tank ok
Your spot on.... for those people saying it's not a hassle those filters that he showed in this video are huge and they are a pain in the butt to change it actually comes with a giant plastic wrench tool just to undo them.
the hour shower principle is best, get rid of the water after it is used once, rather than a larger shower tank used for multiple showers. As for water spillage when maintaining shower, put filters in bathroom! Understand your other concerns, installed a shower carbonated filter mat with under the shower board - stops most even getting to filters, think aquarium, and can be washed or replaced with ease. I still enjoy taking baths too, with all that 'matter' in there with me ! PS Fresh urine is a sterile liquid, don't worry too much about that
Thank you! I'm adding a few upgrades to my 2016 van and the shower was a consideration. I think I'll stick with the simple shower curtain and tub method. It takes longer to shower but its simple and doesn't take up any room. I'll use my money elsewhere.
hahaha, thanks for your honesty! so glad 7'O savage recommended your channel. Such a relief to hear a sensible whole picture perspective! You are so right! i'd rather do a wipe down dry bath than feeling the yuck of cleaning out infested filters that would require a super long shower scrub down to remedy (all the while already dreading the next filter cleaning)🙂
Thanks, George! I've been debating back and forth about whether the additional costs would be worth it, but you just gave me something new to consider. I appreciate your valuable perspective.
I think it is ok if you use the water for 1 shower then replace it. You would need minimal filtration then. Wouldn’t be much different from taking a bath. I was thinking you could build a very simple one use recirculating shower by simply having a deep shower pan and putting a pump at the bottom to pump it up to a 2nd shower head. Then rinse with clean water at the end of the shower and drain.
Agree also been watching videos on van life and see people promoting theses. Not to mention the amount of space you forego having a shower in you van. Join a 24/7 gym with showers then you are good and better off.
I think if you treat the recirculating shower as a bath it's OK. First you go to the bathroom before so there should be no urine or fecal matter involved. My shower has 2 pumps, one to pull the water from the pan to the 2 gallon tank and one to pump the water from the tank through the filters, heat exchangers, mixing valve and out the shower head. I can take a hot shower in the winter or a cool shower in the summer for as long as I want. At the end of my shower I soap up, rinse off and pump the water from the tank to the grey tank. Each shower only costs me 2 gallons and the soapy water never goes through the filters. I figure if the filter system I have is good enough to transform lake or river water to safe drinking water it's clean enough to take a shower. Gotta be better than taking showers at a surf camp in Mexico where you have to keep your mouth closed. Cheers George, love your content and new vlogs. Your attention to detail (lighting, dialog) do not go un-noticed.
Anytime you are washing butts, the water will pick up fecal matter. That applies to swimming pools and hot tubs, all of them use chemicals to sterilize this. Ever taken a dip in a creek? Dog, deer, or ducks gone in it? Fecal matter again. Which is why there are UV-C sterilizers, to kill anything, including fecal matter, in stored or recirculated water. Compared to the grime in many public showers...my friend used a "clean" gym shower and it took him years to get rid of the nail fungus he picked up.
Use a neutralizing/biodegradable soap, shampoo, and conditioner. Make sure that they don’t use petroleum as an ingredient. Add 1 teaspoon of Epson salt to the water which will get rid of the soap suds.
Going through my van build now and although I am installing a retractable shower pan for occasional showers, my thought process was the same as yours about recirculation shower systems. My solution is more fresh water capacity and a larger sink in order to wash hair etc and take a "bird bath" in the sink between showers. I am installing a 4 stage filter for drinking water and I am dreading the filter changing schedule... Which is much less frequent than a recirc shower filter system would be. Well said and well thought out. You are a true craftsman and it is a joy to watch your videos because it all makes logical sense.
Help! I’m looking for your “episode” on water filtration, and can’t find it. I’ve contacted you before about fitting out a custom boat. As you might expect, it is not an easy task to find someone willing to build to the buyer’s spec, even when the buyer says, “leave it gutted; I’ve got someone else who can do the inside.” In the interim, I’ve found a charming little 25’ trawler called a Nimble Nomad. She only comes with a 12 gallon fresh water tank. I’m going to be taking her through the Great Lakes, and I figure I can refill her tank from the lake with the right filtration system. What brand UV filter system did you install? I’m looking at potentially a 5 stage NU system because there will be floaty bits - usually pollen, but sometimes silt after heavy rains, and a UV filter is also a must. But in addition to the filtration system, I need to add a pump separate from the pump currently connected to the water bladder/tank. Unlike city water, the lake doesn’t come with measurable PSI! What size water pump is right for drawing up water and pushing it through the filters at the appropriate rate (for the UV filter)?
I concur with your conclusions and reasoning. We can't even deal with #2 satisfactorily. Probably costs more to replace filter media than to pay for a real shower.
I confess I hadn't thought of if that way before. Recirculating showers sounded brilliant to me the first time I heard of them. But you've persuaded me to agree with you. Thank you for doing so...humbly. :^ )
100% agree. Recirculating the water is not the best idea. Although we have a shower built into our motorhome, we don't use it as installed, as you just shower until the water tank is empty! We have a 10L jerrycan fill it with shower temperature water and drop in a submersible Whale pump connected to the shower hose via some additional pipe with a non return valve. The 12V supply is wired through a waterproof switch in a convenient place. Turn on for 10 seconds to get wet, turn off, start soaping, a few seconds more water, more soap, wet hair, turn off, shampoo, then about 90 seconds to rinse off. Army style shower - simples.
I fail to understand why having a shower is such a problem I have one, I use it, it works fine I have less space than just about anyone reading this George makes sense Keep it as simple as you can It’s more reliable and there’s less to fix
But isn't that what a BACKFLUSH is for? Having a long, hot water, maybe even with two people, is one of the greatest luxuries in a van! Cannot wait to see your take on it!... if you do do it. And yeah, just don't urinate in a recirculating shower. 😂 (although it will all be cleaned up except for salt.) Not saying there is no maintenance, but for me it is worth it. And ofc it helps if there is a little "drain hole" in the bottom for easy cleaning, and if a watertank leaks.
Valid point. The dilemma exists. Maybe the only way it would work is a very technical design of an auto flush filtration system, where the filters do not need to be removed. I have never heard of such a system to date. I have, however, read on the net about an extraction system that installs in the camper, and actually extracts moisture from the air and fills the water tank slowly. If this were available today somewhere out there, it would be a huge bonus to the water storage issue.
All large commercial installations use a “backwash” system. Just a few manual valves is all you’d need. You could either use the pump that’s already there or an external hose (supply), for instance when you’re in that campground that George says you’ll be staying in periodically.
Regarding your free hot water system, is there a way of turning it off while the engine is running if i don't want it to make hot water? thank you in advance
No. If the engine is running the pump is running. If I add a switch, then you might forget to turn it on and will be without hot water when you want it.
Enjoy your videos. I have a Ford Transit high top for my business. I am looking to build a basic camper van, but it has to be removable, to put the van back to work after returning from 2 or 3 weeks on the road. Anyone have ideas of the easiest way to do that? I was thinking of making the wall, floor and ceiling of 3-4 foot panels that would connect together. I know they build homes using SIP's. I thought the same concept might work in a van. I was thinking something that might take 2-3 hours to assemble.
I'm thinking modular boxes made of 2x2 and 1/2" ply. Make modules, 2-4 for the bed, with drawers built into them and slats instead of ply on top, and a couple of 24" kitchen modules with doors and drawers with simple pinch catches. use bolts, washers and nuts through the 2x to brace them all together and figure out a way to attach to the side of the van like maybe a 1x4x8' strapping board to screw into. just use a waterproofed ply for a countertop, drop a sink in, and use a jug on the counter or stand for a gravity feed system into a (slightly larger) container directly below the drain. Maybe a module for the porta potty or bucket loo that could double as a seconary seating space.
Well I have to say, you've certainly swayed me. I was all for a recirculating shower, could have one for as long as I wanted etc.....but the cost, and the hassle 😳, yeah I just don't think it'll be worth it. I wonder, who has a shower every day anyways? Here in the UK we don't have vast open spaces of nothing like in the states so I can kind of see the reason there but here? I could fill my tanks virtually every day if I wanted and as I'll have a Truma combie boiler for hot water and heat I'd need another tank for the hot water for the shower. Yes, a system which would be nice if you're very off grid but for here and Europe? I think not.Thanks for a great explanatory video giving lots of food for thought, nice work.👍
(Sorry for my english i'am french) i'am totally agree with you. I'm looking for a system to collect a rain water, for me it's better. Do you have an idea to do that? Thanks 👍🏼
Agreed, priorities enjoying a more flexible life, not an icky chore to do. I laughed at recirculating showers comment "it's disgusting", as I always thought the same thing.
I've had to maintain an inground pool and water chemistry for a while now so I've gotten use to all the caveats that come with it. I've been doing research and think a small sand filter that you can backwash (no touching any gross parts except a hose) with maybe one small filter, a UV light, and a bit of chlorine here and there will work for me. I have heard that sand filters catch soap scum much better. Also there will be no urinating (hopefully) lol
First let me say all of your concerns are valid. Having said that let me tell you what you should consider that would change this dramatically. First this shower should have A STANDALONE tank, thats right, no black and grey water tank. This will be just for the shower and nothing else. Second always use UV lights in your filtration systems to kill off most of the things that the filters dont. Third if your filters are spraying you when you change them you have a bad filtration system, good ones dont do that. Last but not least consider putting in a heating element so it can heat the water up inside and you dont have to keep looking for hot water first.
Thanks again for your opinion Sir. I believe the same. I have 130 liters of fresh water. We need to refill every 6-7 days. Why should I bother with filters. total waste of time and money
Every night I see a warter on a ground around my van it's accumulated from moistures in a air. It's quite a lots of amount if I think of it . I believe I can correct night dews and rain water to fill the little water reservoir tank. Then filter it out to recirculate. I'm confident about this.
100%, and to add to that I wouldn't want the complexity...if it breaks or it turns out you have significant bacterial growth somewhere because it was designed incorrectly (or using inappropriate components...normal water filters aren't meant for this at all) you could end up with a mess at best or getting sick. I feel the same way about overly complex hydronic setups. The simpler the better, and always take the view that once you are on the road you will appreciate that simplicity over extra luxury.
A good option I've seen are micro-mist showers. Multiple sprayer/mister nozzles fed with straight hot-water to mist the head/back/front/waist, can easily be under 2L/m or half gallon. About the only downside is needing to make the vans HWS supply decent pressure and 60c-75c water. But at the end of the day, a "Navy shower" or "Dicky-Bird Bath" still get the job done for less than a bucket of warm water, and a couple of wash cloths. Hell, you don't even need a drain, just a towel to stand on.
You could take a shower and become "relatively clean", then hit the recirculating switch which will cycle this cleaner water for 10 or 15 minutes. Would that work?
I’m planning one now. What u say can be done. Or u could recirculate a nice long shower with say 3 gallons then dump it leaving clean water for next one.
These are the ideas I’m toying with. Mostly, I’m thinking of those winter months when I use a hot shower to warm up before bed. I’m not looking a recirculating shower as a hygiene thing and wouldn’t be introducing soap. Just minimize the amount of water I heat, but keep using it until I warm.
I'm looking for a box truck to build out. The shower was one of those I was thinking about. I've seen a ton of videos. I'm on the fence. Water storage wise I currently have and may or may not use 4- 55 gallon plastic drums. I'd like to have water storage for at least 100 gallons. I also have a 6x12 enclosed trailer I was planning on doing something with. Maybe just water storage. After seeing this video I'm definitely going to now consider a separate toilet room and shower with a recirculating set up or just combine them like I sort of planned.
That's what I saw when looking into it. I'm looking at something like a dishwasher type of shower where you have recirculating hot water that only goes through a mesh filter then when you're done dumps to your grey and switch to about 2 gallons of fresh to rinse off and clear the systems. It's good enough for our dishes, it's good enough for our skin. You just have to deal with a mesh basket and maybe flush the pipe system with vinegar, or whenever to get the grime out, now and then. I mean, look how baths are done, you soak in soupy and dirty water, then rinse off.
George, once again you were right on the money my friend❗️I couldn’t agree with you more, I guess great minds think a like❗️LoL Another alternative for long luxurious showers with no cleaning or maintenance inconvenience would be to use points at Loves, Pilot Flying J, or Petro TA. If you don’t have points I think the average cost is about $14 but they provide fresh linen & soap so there is no mess to clean up or laundry afterwards. I really enjoy “ walking away” from all that … 😎
@@HumbleRoad … I have less than 0% interest in cleaning a shower 🚿 , maintaining “nasty” 💩 filters, and doing extra laundry 🧺 I appreciate your thoughtful, logical approach … keep life on the road simple 😎
Thanks George. My idea of recirculating shower will never use the same water from one shower to the next. I just want to recirculate the same water in the same shower. This will allow me to have a longer shower without the disgusting reuse of the same water on and on. Every time I am done with my shower I want to press somewhere so that the water loop releases all used water. Next shower will have clean water again. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks in advance George 🙏
Sure, that would be acceptable. However, my main point was not the condition of the water, but rather, the disgusting routine of cleaning or changing the filter cartridges.
@@HumbleRoad sorry for my dumbness but when I recirculate shower the way I wish it means I do not need those filters. Water will always be clean. Imagine this. I want to shower normally. I turn the shower, get wet, use shampoo etc. All this water is recirculating. Then I want to press somewhere so the last portion of water comes not from recirculation. This last water as well as all the recirculated water from before will go off the drain. As in next shower the water will be again clean do I need to care about all the hassle of those filters and uv? I know it’s a dumb question but am learning now the how to’s and plumbing is my weakest skill by far 😀
I am 100% with you George. A filter on the way in from the city tap I get. Recirculating: yuk. Add an extra water tank or periodical use a land shower 🧼 makes far more sense. The thing that has blown me away more than anything else is getting oil from a body wash or conditioner would be a nightmare to clean.
Exactly my thoughts too! For every convenience, there in another inconvenience. I would not do it because of space & weight limitations. The idea of cleaning does not gross me out, but the idea of reusing dirty water does. Short showers are a luxury in a van and I'm perfectly happy. If I want water, I find a swimming pool. We have to conserve water anyway in CA and AZ.
Dont forget the spray bottle from the dollar store! I like to put a few drops of castile soap and about 1c water, mist myself and wet the washcloth, wipe down, then use a second, spray bottle of clean water to "rinse" with.
interesting. I watched a vid where the husband and wife said they are generally happy with their recirculating shower---and they thoroughly went over how they have to do a bit of weekly maintenance, a slightly deeper 'monthly maintenance', and they found that it can't be used like a home shower. They stopped using soap (were going to look into some 'natural' types of soaps) and the wife said that she did her hair in the kitchen sink. So they could generally get a satisfying soapless shower, but obviously that's not the same as a sudsy home shower.
The question is not how to take a shower but how to get clean with the least energy and water It’s all in asking the right question. Recirculating showers add complexity to what should be a simple task. Our question became how do we get clean with 2 gallons of water and we found we could do it with less and found a use for the waste water. Will put up a video on it in the near future.
Very nice video, i was actually thinking of putting one in our van, but after thinking about what you said, i decided to get huge water tank. 250L and i had a 18.9L water pump which i can have a nice long shower, but after a while i changed it to a 10Lpm pump which gives me even more longer time in the shower. Your right, we can plug into campsites and have endless shower with our instant hot water heater lol. I have my water tank inside the van under the kitchen, which determined how big our kitchen counter is (62cm wide) we are planning on changing that and getting a custom water tank which would go under the van and should be about 200-300L. We can then change our kitchen counter to 45-50cm which would open up more space for us to walk through in the van and should make the van feel more spacious :-)
The idea of recirculating showers arent to wash with the same water for weeks. Its to allow you to have a 20-30min shower with 1 gallon of water and very little energy ( even a basic electric water heater would keep that water to temperature while you shower without much consumptioN). You can always dispose of all that after each shower. recirculating showers are substantially cleaner than having a bath which no1 is grossed out by. Not to mention that you can set it up to just shoot clean water at the last minute to "wash off your worries"
Amen. God bless the GI shower. God bless Birdie Baths. When it gets so we feel we REALLY need a shower we have a collapsible shower pan, a funnel shaped curtain and a bag shower (stores 6"x14"x14") that can be hung in the isle and wallah we can take a GI shower. Van space is to precious to have dedicated shower or all those filters to recirc the water.
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Recirculating shower for the WIN! Changing the filters is easy, fast (and inexpensive) a no spill solution is easy to fabricate when you don't close off your imagination to the possibilities. MOST IMPORTANT you can change water WHENEVER you desire. Take a 10 minute shower (normally consumes 20 gallons) and only use 3 gallons. Drain the water and use fresh 3 gallons for your next shower. You can have six 10 minute showers (6 x 3 gallons each time = 18 gallons) for the cost of one 10 minute shower that doesn't recirculate (20 gallons bye bye) ALSO of NOTE: A UV light should be used FOR ALL VAN showers regardless if they are recirculating or non- recirculating. Kills all bacteria, mold, fungus and parasites from water sourced while "on the road" and stored "in the van"
I was thinking 🤔 good 💡😊👍
I'm getting ready for my own build I will research your opinions. Thanks 🙏👍
Totally agree with you, Humble Road didn't think about that when he did this video.
Totally what I was thinking recirculate the water for the one shower and get fresh water each new shower. Im in a skoolie so ill just put the filters under the bus let the water spill if it may lol I totally need my hot showers and thatll save me water for more hot baths 🙂
It's a good idea but it needs more development to be good for normal use. You still have to use it sparingly to get practical use out of it before the filters have to be changed. You can't lather up with soap like you normally would shower in a recirculation shower. So all the water you claim to save is lost on you anyway. It doesn't compare to using a non recirculating system. Also 10 minutes doesn't have to be 20 gallons. low flow showerheads and sink aerators aid GPM. You can bring that number down to 11 or 12 gallons per shower just from changing the showerhead. I'd rather use a 3-5 stage filter to filter water from more questionable sources like lakes, rivers, ponds or even puddles anywhere on the ground or the ocean so that finding more water is never an issue. I'd rather a layout that stores more water. But recirculating it is just too impractical right now.
I hear you - all concerns are valid. I just finished my recirculating system, and I think I've answered all your questions, but it was insanely complicated and fairly expensive. I do have a catch tub under the filters, the option of using the regular water lines and skipping the recirculating tank altogether, and it can be drained after every shower if you want.
I'll be making a video at some point. Not for the faint of heart - it involves a ton of equipment, many motorized valves and electronics - but my love for a long warm shower in the morning is strong.
True dat! I think this system has merit and an individual choice. I'd love to check out your video!
Looking forward to it! there's so much about recirculating showers that is still WIP - even in which the order in which the filters should be installed! would like to see your take.
Would love to see that video!! I think the recirculation approach can definitely work with the right tweaks
How is the recirculating system going?
please make a vid! :D
We put in a 'single use' recirculating shower in our MAN truck camper, and it works very well.
You fill up the shower base with hot water (we use about 4 or so litres for a shower) and then the pump recirculates that through the shower head, so it's more like a bath than a shower. The only filter we have is a broad gauze type coarse filter to trap hair before the pump. You can have a good 5 or 6 minute shower, especially in warm climates. When it is very cold the water does start to go cold, so we add in another litre of piping hot water half way through. At the end of the shower, you let the water out down the drain hole.
All this stuff with 3 filters and charcoal and etc is way too complicated, in my opinion.
I agree. It's not that hard to keep it clean applying practical methods.
Hi David, that is exactly my plan. Recirculating for single uses. Still figuring how to make it happen. Any suggestions are most welcome 🙏
My husband has been talking about doing one in our van and he watches you religiously since he found your channel so I'm glad to see you giving him the negative side to think about before we decide. 👍
-Aimee
Hopefully he hasn't gone fanatical like me, I bought an Orange t-shirt for when I'm working on my van :)
Now he's got you watching too! Heh heh heh!
I concidered long and hard whether to build a recirculating shower listening to both sides of the argument...I did install one, pre pump filter, carbon filter, 10 micron filter, 5 micron filter and UV filter and yes it takes maintenance. To offset the valid points about urine, fecease and soap scum....we use large wet wipes, BEFORE getting into the shower !! so we are clean, then we use the shower for a really good HOT RINCE using no products, we run the shower post showering (without us in it) so the catch tank goes through the filter system without picking up any body oils etc from us. The only issue we have is that the water can pick up a little odour after about 4 showers...I will try 2 carbon filters and a one micron filter to see if that helps. Would love to hear anyone else's system set up and experiences..
Wow- so good to hear the maintenance side of recirculating showers. Thanks!
I've been pondering the logistics of a recirculating system that allows the user to direct the used shower water into a grey tank or back into the loop. Would be nice to disguard the soapy/dirtier water at the beginning of a shower, but then recirculate the water used after that. I think that would extend the filter cleaning, as you'd be passing mostly clean water through the system. All the soapy water at the beginning of a shower wouldn't be recirculated. For me, a long, hot shower is mostly enjoying the water after getting clean.
There are all sorts of configurations that make a recirc possible and practical. I haven’t heard anyone mention it but 3-way valves are a key piece of the puzzle.
@@RustyCas999 problem is not in valves, it's all about water filtration.
Well said and totally true. I still installed one in mine and have a separate system to do the dishes and for drinking water. And i don't shower with soap, instead i soap myself before the shower using my separate system. I would not have installed a recirculating shower if i used it just as a normal camper van but i live in mine to not have to pay expensive rent, so it became a needed thing for me.
I couldn't agree more with your arguments, George. Would be much better to develop a rain collection system than a recirculating shower IMHO. Keep up the good work!!
Our shower system works better than expected. Yes, the filter change can spill some water, but that why we have a one piece rubber floor. Its all in the design and layout. I know if George sets his mind to it he could develop a superior system. Our system used 9 gallons, a lot of water for a recirculating system. Before starting the van build I prototype the shower system in my garage - yes there is a video of that. This is one of the problems I had to solve before starting the van - the boss wanted an inside shower!
Yes, I saw your shower video. I liked it.
I know two solutions I saw on RUclips for the maintenance problem:
One with the filters in the shower cabin behind a panel. When you do the maintenance, the water will spill in the shower pan and will be drained in the drain that goes into the grey tank.
And one with the filter manifold on a board, that can be pulled out on a drawer slider, so water will spill outside when you do the maintenance.
I will go to your channel later to see how far you are now.
Hah, your setup was one of the first I found when I started researching recirculating showers.
I just searched and found the LOOPZ shower it's portable and uses 1.6 gallons
@@MelissaJohnson23408 I looked that up. It would not work for our use. Its basically a flat shower pan and a pump to recirculate the water. But if it works for you great....
Totally agree, and it's so good having experts produce short videos explaining things like this, I'm going to have a van conversion created next year professionally and with this kind of advice/opinion it helps me make my decision. A huge thank you.
This would not be an option professionally yet, the technology is not mature enough. Too many unknowns and also who is liable when your user forgets to clean the filters and kills himself in the process, because that can happen!
Public showers and bathrooms are also gross, too. Flushing a toilet aerosolizes poop particles. Not many public toilets have lids. Hope everyone’s cleaning their shower flip flops after going to the gym. Plus bacteria can build up in shower heads. 🤢
Agree 100%. I have had to clean out the shower sump in our cruising sailboat many times when the drain get's clogged. It's one of the most gag-inducing jobs to do on a boat. I'd rather put my money and space into more water capacity.
Recirculating shower systems don't require any maintenance that resembles cleaning the shower sump on a boat.
@@MaunoKoivistoOfficial You are absolutely correct about the differences in maintenance. The point I was attempting to make (perhaps not very well) is that the grey water on the upstream side of the filters in a recirculating system is the same swill found in a boat's shower sump. Changing the filter elements is a very hands-on process and it is virtually impossible to avoid spills. Personally, I'd prefer not to handle it if possible.
I appreciate your thoughtfulness on all van issues. Thanks for your insight!!
I just love your craftsmanship!
Short. technical, and to the point - good job.
WOW YES! Such a great explanation, thank you so much for vocalizing this. We've noticed a huge uptick in the interest of this topic because of a few viral van tours. Awesome perspective that so many builders should think about.
OH, I was waiting for your take on the 3d printed, plastic welded super efficient Recirulating shower...DANG! maybe not!
I suspect that your homemade water tank has more dangerous plasticizer chemicals in it than recirculated shower water. Just sayin. . . Love your channel though.
Is HDPE plastic dangerous? It’s food graded. Post some verified sources proving your theory.
@@curlyhaircamping HDPE is one of the "safer" plastics, true. More likely, bacteria growth in stagnant tank water is probably a bigger issue.
@@KentLester People have been cleaning tanks with tablets for decades, I don't see any issues with that.
Yesi understand your points and they are very valid , definitely changed my thoughts on my boat build shower.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts they have helped.
Thanks for this video. Im still debating on a recirculating shower. Not even for daily showers but just for after those hot and humid boon-docking days it just feels like I will be very grateful to have one. The releasing of water to change the filter is something I had not yet considered though! This video will save me a "doh why didnt I think of that" moment the first time I go to change them (if I follow through with this idea). Love all the new videos lately, thanks so much for sharing your wisdom and making me look smarter to my family and friends :)
A nice cooling shower on a hot day can be had with the outdoor shower. Just get more fresh water capacity and live the gentleman’s life!
Words of wisdom, thank you sir! As a future van lifer, I, 100%, appreciate your advice and would love any more wisdom you have experienced, and looking forward to my own to share. Bless you all.
Since George has never used a recirc shower I dont think his wisdom comes from experience.
Just what he thinks. And he thinks highly of himself.
Great discussion- both from George in the vid and people’s comments from their experiences 👌🏾
Thank you, I have been really looking deep into the possibility of the recirculating shower in my van build and you have a very good point in your opinion and my mind is changed, more water capacity. Thanks, great videos and a joy to watch you,👍👍
Thank you George. I have never heard anyone else go over this aspect of these.
As a pipefitter/ plumber for 25 yrs I agree with you 100%. Clean water and sanitary sewers are the bedrock of our civilization. Thanks George love your channel!
I couldn't agree with you more George, van life you're always on the move and eventually you wind up at a campground.
I had these same thoughts and appreciate your candid point of view!! Agree with you 100%!!
Thanks for watching!
I absolutely agree! In fact, I don’t want an internal shower in my van at all. After 24 years in the Army I’m very comfortable and proficient at using an outdoor shower, a sink shower or baby wipes. Additionally, that’s precious real estate that can be used for storage or something else. Spot on, George!
@Krister L after three tours in Iraq I can attest that you are correct!!
@Krister L I was never fortunate enough to take a bath in a creek during my career, but I did take a shower in the rain once … and it was glorious!! 😂
@Krister L Baby wipe = disposable washcloth :)
What about a system that uses both a recirculating system and a fresh system combined?
Have a long shower with a recirculating system using, say, 5 litres of water, and then when you're done, purge the recirculating water to the grey tank and switch to the fresh system to rinse yourself off.
It would be similar to taking a bath at home where you'd sit in the bath and wash yourself, and then when you're done, jump in the shower to rinse off.
That's a great perspective. I HAD an idea where I wanted to put the filters until you pointed out what happens when you unscrew the cap; didn't think of that. Undercarriage isn't as practical because I live in Germany with a proper Winter. More water capacity and the suspension to carry it are two upgrades I will make to my van. Thanks for the video. 😊🚚
The weight and space saved from the filter setup and spare filters vs the space and weight for the extra water and gray tank space is a a factor. Would just make a bigger water tank ok
thanks for this. Makes tons of sense to hear the reality of showers.
Preach! I like these philosophy videos nearly as much as the build videos. Thank you.
Your spot on.... for those people saying it's not a hassle those filters that he showed in this video are huge and they are a pain in the butt to change it actually comes with a giant plastic wrench tool just to undo them.
Excellent point, thanks for sharing. ....love your channel !
the hour shower principle is best, get rid of the water after it is used once, rather than a larger shower tank used for multiple showers. As for water spillage when maintaining shower, put filters in bathroom! Understand your other concerns, installed a shower carbonated filter mat with under the shower board - stops most even getting to filters, think aquarium, and can be washed or replaced with ease. I still enjoy taking baths too, with all that 'matter' in there with me ! PS Fresh urine is a sterile liquid, don't worry too much about that
I prefer a nice Cabernet to fresh sterile urine😊
@@HumbleRoad Strangely, so do I haha
and I never take a leak in the shower or drink my bath water, but seriously fresh urine is antiseptic
It had to be said and was said!
Thanks George!
Thank you! I'm adding a few upgrades to my 2016 van and the shower was a consideration. I think I'll stick with the simple shower curtain and tub method. It takes longer to shower but its simple and doesn't take up any room. I'll use my money elsewhere.
hahaha, thanks for your honesty!
so glad 7'O savage recommended your channel.
Such a relief to hear a sensible whole picture perspective!
You are so right! i'd rather do a wipe down dry bath than feeling the yuck of cleaning out infested filters that would require a super long shower scrub down to remedy (all the while already dreading the next filter cleaning)🙂
Thanks, George! I've been debating back and forth about whether the additional costs would be worth it, but you just gave me something new to consider. I appreciate your valuable perspective.
👏👏👏👏 I completely agree with your thinking
Thank you so much for explaining that to me.
Totally agree. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I think it is ok if you use the water for 1 shower then replace it. You would need minimal filtration then. Wouldn’t be much different from taking a bath. I was thinking you could build a very simple one use recirculating shower by simply having a deep shower pan and putting a pump at the bottom to pump it up to a 2nd shower head. Then rinse with clean water at the end of the shower and drain.
i thought that using the water once was the only option haha.
I was wondering when you were going to address this. Like always your analysis is spot on!
Agree also been watching videos on van life and see people promoting theses. Not to mention the amount of space you forego having a shower in you van.
Join a 24/7 gym with showers then you are good and better off.
Well stated, the simpler life is the better. 🥂
I think if you treat the recirculating shower as a bath it's OK. First you go to the bathroom before so there should be no urine or fecal matter involved. My shower has 2 pumps, one to pull the water from the pan to the 2 gallon tank and one to pump the water from the tank through the filters, heat exchangers, mixing valve and out the shower head. I can take a hot shower in the winter or a cool shower in the summer for as long as I want. At the end of my shower I soap up, rinse off and pump the water from the tank to the grey tank. Each shower only costs me 2 gallons and the soapy water never goes through the filters. I figure if the filter system I have is good enough to transform lake or river water to safe drinking water it's clean enough to take a shower. Gotta be better than taking showers at a surf camp in Mexico where you have to keep your mouth closed. Cheers George, love your content and new vlogs. Your attention to detail (lighting, dialog) do not go un-noticed.
Anytime you are washing butts, the water will pick up fecal matter. That applies to swimming pools and hot tubs, all of them use chemicals to sterilize this. Ever taken a dip in a creek? Dog, deer, or ducks gone in it? Fecal matter again. Which is why there are UV-C sterilizers, to kill anything, including fecal matter, in stored or recirculated water.
Compared to the grime in many public showers...my friend used a "clean" gym shower and it took him years to get rid of the nail fungus he picked up.
@@lyfandeth yes my filtration includes a 20 micron, 5 micron filter and UV exposure to sterilize.
Use a neutralizing/biodegradable soap, shampoo, and conditioner. Make sure that they don’t use petroleum as an ingredient. Add 1 teaspoon of Epson salt to the water which will get rid of the soap suds.
When George speaks, all van dwellers listen! You know, like E.F. Hutton? You better listen!☺️👏🏽👍🏾
Thank you Georges! To the point. Always! ♥
Going through my van build now and although I am installing a retractable shower pan for occasional showers, my thought process was the same as yours about recirculation shower systems. My solution is more fresh water capacity and a larger sink in order to wash hair etc and take a "bird bath" in the sink between showers. I am installing a 4 stage filter for drinking water and I am dreading the filter changing schedule... Which is much less frequent than a recirc shower filter system would be.
Well said and well thought out. You are a true craftsman and it is a joy to watch your videos because it all makes logical sense.
I'm glad you added it was just your opinion.
Thank you once again for your words of wisdom! I’m planning my future van build and totally agree with you!
Very instructive, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for your opinion as always very valuable 🔥❤️✌️
Excellent points!
Great insights, thanks for the tips!
Thanks man. I needed to here that from someone.
Completely agree. Even with all those filters, I couldn’t get past the yuck factor.
Help! I’m looking for your “episode” on water filtration, and can’t find it. I’ve contacted you before about fitting out a custom boat. As you might expect, it is not an easy task to find someone willing to build to the buyer’s spec, even when the buyer says, “leave it gutted; I’ve got someone else who can do the inside.” In the interim, I’ve found a charming little 25’ trawler called a Nimble Nomad. She only comes with a 12 gallon fresh water tank. I’m going to be taking her through the Great Lakes, and I figure I can refill her tank from the lake with the right filtration system. What brand UV filter system did you install? I’m looking at potentially a 5 stage NU system because there will be floaty bits - usually pollen, but sometimes silt after heavy rains, and a UV filter is also a must. But in addition to the filtration system, I need to add a pump separate from the pump currently connected to the water bladder/tank. Unlike city water, the lake doesn’t come with measurable PSI! What size water pump is right for drawing up water and pushing it through the filters at the appropriate rate (for the UV filter)?
I’m sorry, I can’t advise on safely filtering lake water. I have no experience with that.
Totaly agreed. I often thought of the maintenance on these recirculating systems and thought it was not worth it.
I agree with you. Absolutely right. I would go for bigger water capacity.
I concur with your conclusions and reasoning. We can't even deal with #2 satisfactorily. Probably costs more to replace filter media than to pay for a real shower.
I confess I hadn't thought of if that way before. Recirculating showers sounded brilliant to me the first time I heard of them. But you've persuaded me to agree with you. Thank you for doing so...humbly. :^ )
100% agree. Recirculating the water is not the best idea.
Although we have a shower built into our motorhome, we don't use it as installed, as you just shower until the water tank is empty!
We have a 10L jerrycan fill it with shower temperature water and drop in a submersible Whale pump connected to the shower hose via some additional pipe with a non return valve. The 12V supply is wired through a waterproof switch in a convenient place. Turn on for 10 seconds to get wet, turn off, start soaping, a few seconds more water, more soap, wet hair, turn off, shampoo, then about 90 seconds to rinse off. Army style shower - simples.
Clever!
I fail to understand why having a shower is such a problem I have one, I use it, it works fine I have less space than just about anyone reading this George makes sense Keep it as simple as you can It’s more reliable and there’s less to fix
All I needed to 🧐know… “🤦🏽♀️Disgusting”.. Thank You. 🙏
But isn't that what a BACKFLUSH is for? Having a long, hot water, maybe even with two people, is one of the greatest luxuries in a van! Cannot wait to see your take on it!... if you do do it. And yeah, just don't urinate in a recirculating shower. 😂 (although it will all be cleaned up except for salt.) Not saying there is no maintenance, but for me it is worth it.
And ofc it helps if there is a little "drain hole" in the bottom for easy cleaning, and if a watertank leaks.
Love hearing your why’s …
Valid point. The dilemma exists. Maybe the only way it would work is a very technical design of an auto flush filtration system, where the filters do not need to be removed. I have never heard of such a system to date. I have, however, read on the net about an extraction system that installs in the camper, and actually extracts moisture from the air and fills the water tank slowly. If this were available today somewhere out there, it would be a huge bonus to the water storage issue.
All large commercial installations use a “backwash” system. Just a few manual valves is all you’d need. You could either use the pump that’s already there or an external hose (supply), for instance when you’re in that campground that George says you’ll be staying in periodically.
You're spot on!
It might only be your your opinion but it's a valued one at that. Thank you George.
Regarding your free hot water system, is there a way of turning it off while the engine is running if i don't want it to make hot water? thank you in advance
No. If the engine is running the pump is running. If I add a switch, then you might forget to turn it on and will be without hot water when you want it.
Enjoy your videos. I have a Ford Transit high top for my business. I am looking to build a basic camper van, but it has to be removable, to put the van back to work after returning from 2 or 3 weeks on the road. Anyone have ideas of the easiest way to do that? I was thinking of making the wall, floor and ceiling of 3-4 foot panels that would connect together. I know they build homes using SIP's. I thought the same concept might work in a van. I was thinking something that might take 2-3 hours to assemble.
I'm thinking modular boxes made of 2x2 and 1/2" ply. Make modules, 2-4 for the bed, with drawers built into them and slats instead of ply on top, and a couple of 24" kitchen modules with doors and drawers with simple pinch catches. use bolts, washers and nuts through the 2x to brace them all together and figure out a way to attach to the side of the van like maybe a 1x4x8' strapping board to screw into. just use a waterproofed ply for a countertop, drop a sink in, and use a jug on the counter or stand for a gravity feed system into a (slightly larger) container directly below the drain. Maybe a module for the porta potty or bucket loo that could double as a seconary seating space.
Well I have to say, you've certainly swayed me. I was all for a recirculating shower, could have one for as long as I wanted etc.....but the cost, and the hassle 😳, yeah I just don't think it'll be worth it. I wonder, who has a shower every day anyways? Here in the UK we don't have vast open spaces of nothing like in the states so I can kind of see the reason there but here? I could fill my tanks virtually every day if I wanted and as I'll have a Truma combie boiler for hot water and heat I'd need another tank for the hot water for the shower. Yes, a system which would be nice if you're very off grid but for here and Europe? I think not.Thanks for a great explanatory video giving lots of food for thought, nice work.👍
(Sorry for my english i'am french) i'am totally agree with you. I'm looking for a system to collect a rain water, for me it's better. Do you have an idea to do that? Thanks 👍🏼
When you’re Boondocking in the southwest desert of the United States there is no rain.
Agreed, priorities enjoying a more flexible life, not an icky chore to do. I laughed at recirculating showers comment "it's disgusting", as I always thought the same thing.
I've had to maintain an inground pool and water chemistry for a while now so I've gotten use to all the caveats that come with it. I've been doing research and think a small sand filter that you can backwash (no touching any gross parts except a hose) with maybe one small filter, a UV light, and a bit of chlorine here and there will work for me. I have heard that sand filters catch soap scum much better. Also there will be no urinating (hopefully) lol
I like your thinking!
First let me say all of your concerns are valid. Having said that let me tell you what you should consider that would change this dramatically. First this shower should have A STANDALONE tank, thats right, no black and grey water tank. This will be just for the shower and nothing else. Second always use UV lights in your filtration systems to kill off most of the things that the filters dont. Third if your filters are spraying you when you change them you have a bad filtration system, good ones dont do that. Last but not least consider putting in a heating element so it can heat the water up inside and you dont have to keep looking for hot water first.
Thanks again for your opinion Sir. I believe the same. I have 130 liters of fresh water. We need to refill every 6-7 days. Why should I bother with filters. total waste of time
and money
Every night I see a warter on a ground around my van it's accumulated from moistures in a air. It's quite a lots of amount if I think of it .
I believe I can correct night dews and rain water to fill the little water reservoir tank. Then filter it out to recirculate. I'm confident about this.
100%, and to add to that I wouldn't want the complexity...if it breaks or it turns out you have significant bacterial growth somewhere because it was designed incorrectly (or using inappropriate components...normal water filters aren't meant for this at all) you could end up with a mess at best or getting sick. I feel the same way about overly complex hydronic setups. The simpler the better, and always take the view that once you are on the road you will appreciate that simplicity over extra luxury.
A good option I've seen are micro-mist showers. Multiple sprayer/mister nozzles fed with straight hot-water to mist the head/back/front/waist, can easily be under 2L/m or half gallon.
About the only downside is needing to make the vans HWS supply decent pressure and 60c-75c water.
But at the end of the day, a "Navy shower" or "Dicky-Bird Bath" still get the job done for less than a bucket of warm water, and a couple of wash cloths. Hell, you don't even need a drain, just a towel to stand on.
You could take a shower and become "relatively clean", then hit the recirculating switch which will cycle this cleaner water for 10 or 15 minutes. Would that work?
I’m planning one now. What u say can be done. Or u could recirculate a nice long shower with say 3 gallons then dump it leaving clean water for next one.
These are the ideas I’m toying with. Mostly, I’m thinking of those winter months when I use a hot shower to warm up before bed. I’m not looking a recirculating shower as a hygiene thing and wouldn’t be introducing soap. Just minimize the amount of water I heat, but keep using it until I warm.
I 100% agree with you too George.
I'm looking for a box truck to build out. The shower was one of those I was thinking about. I've seen a ton of videos. I'm on the fence. Water storage wise I currently have and may or may not use 4- 55 gallon plastic drums. I'd like to have water storage for at least 100 gallons. I also have a 6x12 enclosed trailer I was planning on doing something with. Maybe just water storage. After seeing this video I'm definitely going to now consider a separate toilet room and shower with a recirculating set up or just combine them like I sort of planned.
That's what I saw when looking into it.
I'm looking at something like a dishwasher type of shower where you have recirculating hot water that only goes through a mesh filter then when you're done dumps to your grey and switch to about 2 gallons of fresh to rinse off and clear the systems. It's good enough for our dishes, it's good enough for our skin. You just have to deal with a mesh basket and maybe flush the pipe system with vinegar, or whenever to get the grime out, now and then.
I mean, look how baths are done, you soak in soupy and dirty water, then rinse off.
Totally agree, I personally would never have this style of system
George, once again you were right on the money my friend❗️I couldn’t agree with you more, I guess great minds think a like❗️LoL
Another alternative for long luxurious showers with no cleaning or maintenance inconvenience would be to use points at Loves, Pilot Flying J, or Petro TA. If you don’t have points I think the average cost is about $14 but they provide fresh linen & soap so there is no mess to clean up or laundry afterwards. I really enjoy “ walking away” from all that … 😎
Been there, done that. Surprisingly clean and fresh. No problem!
@@HumbleRoad … I have less than 0% interest in cleaning a shower 🚿 , maintaining “nasty” 💩 filters, and doing extra laundry 🧺
I appreciate your thoughtful, logical approach … keep life on the road simple 😎
Soap is the main culprit, I told you long time ago, you did not want to believe. I also pointed out that your design was very simplistic.
I never did any design. You must have me confused with someone else.
Thanks George. My idea of recirculating shower will never use the same water from one shower to the next. I just want to recirculate the same water in the same shower. This will allow me to have a longer shower without the disgusting reuse of the same water on and on. Every time I am done with my shower I want to press somewhere so that the water loop releases all used water. Next shower will have clean water again. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks in advance George 🙏
Sure, that would be acceptable. However, my main point was not the condition of the water, but rather, the disgusting routine of cleaning or changing the filter cartridges.
@@HumbleRoad sorry for my dumbness but when I recirculate shower the way I wish it means I do not need those filters. Water will always be clean. Imagine this. I want to shower normally. I turn the shower, get wet, use shampoo etc. All this water is recirculating. Then I want to press somewhere so the last portion of water comes not from recirculation. This last water as well as all the recirculated water from before will go off the drain. As in next shower the water will be again clean do I need to care about all the hassle of those filters and uv? I know it’s a dumb question but am learning now the how to’s and plumbing is my weakest skill by far 😀
I am 100% with you George. A filter on the way in from the city tap I get. Recirculating: yuk. Add an extra water tank or periodical use a land shower 🧼 makes far more sense. The thing that has blown me away more than anything else is getting oil from a body wash or conditioner would be a nightmare to clean.
I agree. I've looked at the complexity of this and it must cost a fortune to buy, maintain and set up and you'd be replacing filters continuously.
Exactly my thoughts too! For every convenience, there in another inconvenience. I would not do it because of space & weight limitations. The idea of cleaning does not gross me out, but the idea of reusing dirty water does. Short showers are a luxury in a van and I'm perfectly happy. If I want water, I find a swimming pool. We have to conserve water anyway in CA and AZ.
Yup.
I can sponge bath and wash my hair with a cup and dish tub, inside a Caravan. With clean water. I use about half a gallon. ( thin hair, lol)
Yep, I find that I can clean up with as little as two cups of water this way.
Dont forget the spray bottle from the dollar store! I like to put a few drops of castile soap and about 1c water, mist myself and wet the washcloth, wipe down, then use a second, spray bottle of clean water to "rinse" with.
interesting. I watched a vid where the husband and wife said they are generally happy with their recirculating shower---and they thoroughly went over how they have to do a bit of weekly maintenance, a slightly deeper 'monthly maintenance', and they found that it can't be used like a home shower. They stopped using soap (were going to look into some 'natural' types of soaps) and the wife said that she did her hair in the kitchen sink. So they could generally get a satisfying soapless shower, but obviously that's not the same as a sudsy home shower.
The question is not how to take a shower but how to get clean with the least energy and water It’s all in asking the right question.
Recirculating showers add complexity to what should be a simple task.
Our question became how do we get clean with 2 gallons of water and we found we could do it with less and found a use for the waste water.
Will put up a video on it in the near future.
Very nice video, i was actually thinking of putting one in our van, but after thinking about what you said, i decided to get huge water tank. 250L and i had a 18.9L water pump which i can have a nice long shower, but after a while i changed it to a 10Lpm pump which gives me even more longer time in the shower. Your right, we can plug into campsites and have endless shower with our instant hot water heater lol. I have my water tank inside the van under the kitchen, which determined how big our kitchen counter is (62cm wide) we are planning on changing that and getting a custom water tank which would go under the van and should be about 200-300L. We can then change our kitchen counter to 45-50cm which would open up more space for us to walk through in the van and should make the van feel more spacious :-)
Okie dokie. I won't EVER mention RS. Yikes! Duly noted. Thank you.
The idea of recirculating showers arent to wash with the same water for weeks. Its to allow you to have a 20-30min shower with 1 gallon of water and very little energy ( even a basic electric water heater would keep that water to temperature while you shower without much consumptioN). You can always dispose of all that after each shower. recirculating showers are substantially cleaner than having a bath which no1 is grossed out by.
Not to mention that you can set it up to just shoot clean water at the last minute to "wash off your worries"
It's the real world day to day maintenance of the system that I speak of.
Amen. God bless the GI shower. God bless Birdie Baths. When it gets so we feel we REALLY need a shower we have a collapsible shower pan, a funnel shaped curtain and a bag shower (stores 6"x14"x14") that can be hung in the isle and wallah we can take a GI shower. Van space is to precious to have dedicated shower or all those filters to recirc the water.