@@deliquescencemusic no it’s not. Thorpe rides high in the water because he has a powerful kick. Total immersion has the neck slightly flexed and shoulders slightly downward. It’s the antithesis of Thorpe’s stroke. Total immersion works for newbies and triathletes who don’t swim well as leading downward with the head and shoulders gets the hips up. No comp swimmer uses total immersion because their bodies are already horizontal. It’s a precursor even the youngest comp swimmers are capable of. Beginning swimmers swim through the water at an angle causing excessive drag. So they use total immersion to get their hips up. It’s like a cheat. But you can’t swim fast with total immersion, you only become ‘competent’ in respect to other triathletes and beginning swimmers. From wiki: Target audience Total Immersion is a popular swimming technique with adult learners and triathletes because of its systematic progression of skills. This approach can be beneficial to entry-level adult swimmers, triathletes, distance swimmers, and those who swim for exercise and health.
Ian Thorpe made swimming so exciting, the race of the century at his peak no one could beat him. his first olympic gold was a smash I still celebrate.. He is the best ever. His swimming style is so smooth and unique with extra length cruising, I copy that also. he is fabulous.
Thank you for this kind of videos!!I think the No.1 race should be the gold over 200m free on Athen's Olympics because of the history behind it. Did you knew? At trials on this event he was disqualified and one of the guys who won the spot left it for him, That guy said that "Thorpe had a bigger chance to win the gold" so Thorpe took it with the pressure on has back to bring the gold home!Also I think it'd be a great recognition to his bronce medal in the 100m Free on Athens because that became on the history books as one of the Olympic swimmers to achive a medal over three individual freestyle events (100m, 200m, 400m).
Thank you for your opinions!! The getting 3rd in the 100m freestyle is definitely a great achievement. However, I believe the event in which he got disqualified at trials was the 400m freestyle in 2004.
I love how in the Athens race the commentators says that Phelps would be able to come home against Thorpe...LOL At the time of this race Thorpe was world record holder in 200m (the Athens race), 400m & 800m...so he wasn't going to run out of energy or pace.
The 4 x 100m from Sydney was hands down his best swim given the context: - not his best distance - against a very good 100m swimmer - needing to come from behind - the atmosphere - had broken the 400m WR about 2 hours before
@@Ineddiblehulk LOL - he was in the final lap. Gary Hall Jnr blew his load down the first lap. Great composure by Thorpie to mow him down in that last ten metres. Ian knew how to get onto the wall first.
Yep - really nice bloke. I was lucky enough to swim in the lane next to him for a few months when he was training at Sutherland under Doug Frost. Being that close to a champion in any sport makes you realise that no matter how hard you train you'll never come close to their performance.
He beat the best 100m freestyler swimmers at 2004 Athens too. Had he trained a power jump start he could even beat most of 100m freestyle swimmers nowadays.
My mate Thorpey I used speak to him sometimes in training I was swam at the same swimming centre he was training at .He always had time for me and we were good friends I even had my recreational lessons in summer in the same pool I would pace him just for fitness the combination of doing gym sessions kept me fit. They were my greatest days in my 34 years alive
This video did not disappoint. I would have like to see his 3.40.06 race included too, because even though it was not exciting, it did feel surreal. I don't think I've ever seen someone win by that huge of a margin in a 400 freestyle at top level. Ever again.
I’ve watched a lot of swimming in my life, but that 3rd race in the video is by far the best race I will ever watch. I had never seen that race before today. How the hell did he win that? Hackett was miles ahead and basically had it in the bag
I love the Aussie and American rivalry in swimming. As an American, I cringed when Gary Hall Jr said they were going to smash the Aussies like guitars. It was embarrassing. Hall had that coming. This wasn’t just a loss. The US hadn’t lost that relay in over 3 decades. Then Gary runs his mouth and couldn’t back it up. Maybe if Gary had trained a little harder he wouldn’t have died so badly. Props to Thorpe. Beautiful stroke, dude just glides like he’s doing a catch up drill, because his legs are driving like mad. Who the hell kicks that hard for a 400 straight? It’s just phenomenal.
@@bikkyful It was. And I really wish Hall had kept his mouth shut. But that’s pretty much Gary’s legacy, the guy that ran his mouth and couldn’t back it up. Personally I can’t stand that type of bravado. Gary is actually a really nice guy. I think he was trying to adopt a persona at the Olympics and it went over like a lead ballon. But fair or not, Gary has definitely had to live with that mistake. So I found it odd when France did a similar thing to America in Beijing and had the exact same result. Almost like karma is holding sway. FYI, in my humble opinion Thorpe is one of the greatest swimmers ever. Certainly the best middle distance freestyler of all time and probably the best all around freestyler ever. The speedsuit era robbed Thorpe of a lot of records that may still be standing today. Which is kind of how I judge how far a swimmer is ahead of their time. Thorpe was doing impossible things. He was doing it in the most competitive stroke and in the most competitive events. Phelps 400 IM just doesn’t carry near the same weight as Thorpe’s 200 or even 400 free. To dominate those events like he did was phenomenal, and he even had a rival in what’s his name-Hoogenband or whatever, and Hacket. Just terrible luck that he did all of that right before the speedsuit era. Really wish he could’ve stuck it out a few more years and Thorpe swimming in a speedsuit would’ve really given some people perspective of how fast Thorpe was. Thorpe would still have the 200 and 400 free records. Some 15 years later. In the most competitive event in swimming, the 200 free. I doubt anyone has held the 200 free record half that long in modern swimming. I’m an American fan first, but some swimmers just transcend national sentiment. Hacket was another. What he did in the distance events was jaw dropping. Decades ahead of his time. I also like that the Aussies are very outspoken about PEDs, particularly Sun Yang.
2 of my all time greatest swim races are here - my number one is the Sydney 4 x100m Relay ... THE most exciting swim race i ever saw ... and number 2 ... well, what can you say about Thorpe's final 100m to win his first world championship at 15 years. He took 3 seconds off Grant Hackett in that last 100, most of that in the last lap. Thorpe did that - not to some deadbeat like me, in a suburban pool ... he did that to an all-time GREAT - Grant Hackett. FMD!!!! And the amazing thing is that Hackett was breathing to the right and could see the Thorpedo coming - but could do nothing about it.
I was there that hot January evening back in 1998 when Thorpe came from the clouds to beat Grant Hackett in the 400 m final. That race had such a psychological impact on Hackett - I don’t think he beat Thorpe in a major race after that night.
I'm not a swimming expert. But the way he just seems to glide in the water and his kicks. They're just different. He looked so elegant when he swam that, if not for the other swimmers around him, you wouldn't know how fast he was actually going. He's my all time fav swimmer
I agree. The 400 Freestyle at the 1999 Pan Pacs was epic. I was able to purchase it from the production company on VHS, but after so many moves over the last 20 years, I've lost it... sorry.
I would switch around the 200m freestyles and include either of his 800m Freestyles of 2001 somewhere. That was really the moment where the world realised how Special he was. Beating Hackett in a distance race...
excellent!! suggestion: top mixed relay races, specially those with different male - female orders in the pool between the teams, it becomes very unusual!
Love Thorpie Australia is blessed with some of the greatest swimmers of all time looking forward to what's coming up 😜👍🦘❤️ Aussie Aussie Aussie yahoo 😘
... Some swom faster back then (200m free Sydney), others swom faster afterwards... however nobody else has swom that smoothly, efficiently and elegantly as Thorpe...
@@ohseanswims7539 6 of his best races are: 200 free 2008 Olympics (took 0.9 off his 2007 WR and was his most perfect race regarding technique) 200 fly 2007 WC (took 1.6 seconds off his WR to win by 3 seconds, fastest in textile for the next 12 years) 100 fly 2008 Olympics (won his toughest individual race in beijing by 0.01) 200 free 2007 WC (broke Ian Thorpe's 6 year old WR by 0.2) 100 fly 2009 WC (rematch with cavic, reclaimed the WR by becoming the first person to break 50) 400 IM 2008 Olympics (his only individual WR still standing today) the top 3 definitely should be there. pick 2 out of the bottom 3 or maybe throw in a 2015/16 race
The 400m at Athens???? After falling off the block at the trials, and then an amazing 8 lap match race with Hackett. Brilliant victory under pressure by Thorpe.
That race was an emotional triumph for him, technically it wasn't even a decent swim to his standard. One can only imagine what kind of result a happy and peak Thorpe could generate...
Once he turned for home and started his six beat kick no one was going to beat him. It looked like he had an outboard motor behind him. Can't believe the US commentators for the Athens race actually thought Keller was in with a chance. Phelps maybe, I know Keller came 4th but the 3 medal winners were in another class.
Imagine thorpe training nowadays when the sport has evolved so much in technique. Imagine Thorpe with proper walls training... One of the best swimmers in history, no doubt.
The Australians beating the Americans in Sydney was the first time in 104 years, not 36. The USA had never lost until that moment. It is by far and away the greatest olympic moment in Australia's history.
it's 36 because the mens 4x100 free only became an olympic event in 1964. what they mean is, the us had never lost the race in its 36 year history at the olympics
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Just in awe of Ian Thorpe's wonderful technique
It’s called Total Immersion Swimming :)
@@deliquescencemusic no it’s not.
Thorpe rides high in the water because he has a powerful kick.
Total immersion has the neck slightly flexed and shoulders slightly downward. It’s the antithesis of Thorpe’s stroke.
Total immersion works for newbies and triathletes who don’t swim well as leading downward with the head and shoulders gets the hips up.
No comp swimmer uses total immersion because their bodies are already horizontal. It’s a precursor even the youngest comp swimmers are capable of.
Beginning swimmers swim through the water at an angle causing excessive drag. So they use total immersion to get their hips up. It’s like a cheat.
But you can’t swim fast with total immersion, you only become ‘competent’ in respect to other triathletes and beginning swimmers.
From wiki:
Target audience
Total Immersion is a popular swimming technique with adult learners and triathletes because of its systematic progression of skills. This approach can be beneficial to entry-level adult swimmers, triathletes, distance swimmers, and those who swim for exercise and health.
The best of the best.
Beautiful, effortless, perfect stroke
Swimming at that speed and no bubbles on his hands, amazing!
20 years ago. What an unbelievable moment for Thorpey and Australia as a whole. Thanks for the memories.💖
Smooth, beautiful stroke. Hypnotizing to watch him slice the water length after length. Well done.
Such a shame he retired so early on and in his peak as well. One of greatest swimmers if not the greatest.
Caeleb in my opinion is the greatest
@@dylansnelling2380 i think yao ming is
@@dylansnelling2380 not really. Not yet at least
I heard or read anywhere that he had many personal problems...
Spitz or Phelps - I would put as the GOAT. Both were formidable, but Phelps had a longer career.
Ian Thorpe made swimming so exciting, the race of the century at his peak no one could beat him. his first olympic gold was a smash I still celebrate.. He is the best ever. His swimming style is so smooth and unique with extra length cruising, I copy that also. he is fabulous.
Thank you for this kind of videos!!I think the No.1 race should be the gold over 200m free on Athen's Olympics because of the history behind it. Did you knew? At trials on this event he was disqualified and one of the guys who won the spot left it for him, That guy said that "Thorpe had a bigger chance to win the gold" so Thorpe took it with the pressure on has back to bring the gold home!Also I think it'd be a great recognition to his bronce medal in the 100m Free on Athens because that became on the history books as one of the Olympic swimmers to achive a medal over three individual freestyle events (100m, 200m, 400m).
Thank you for your opinions!! The getting 3rd in the 100m freestyle is definitely a great achievement. However, I believe the event in which he got disqualified at trials was the 400m freestyle in 2004.
That was 400 free for sure.
@Gino Caramutti He jumped early but it looked like an accident, but he was still disqualified
tpszzz00 he reacted to a noise in the background
I love how in the Athens race the commentators says that Phelps would be able to come home against Thorpe...LOL
At the time of this race Thorpe was world record holder in 200m (the Athens race), 400m & 800m...so he wasn't going to run out of energy or pace.
The 4 x 100m from Sydney was hands down his best swim given the context:
- not his best distance
- against a very good 100m swimmer
- needing to come from behind
- the atmosphere
- had broken the 400m WR about 2 hours before
Technically he wasn’t coming from behind
@@Ineddiblehulk LOL - he was in the final lap. Gary Hall Jnr blew his load down the first lap. Great composure by Thorpie to mow him down in that last ten metres. Ian knew how to get onto the wall first.
Poetry in motion. Beautiful, elegant swimmer and retired at his peak.
Great guy Ian.
Met him at his peak.
Very humble and elegant.
True Champion.
💪💯🇦🇺
Yep - really nice bloke. I was lucky enough to swim in the lane next to him for a few months when he was training at Sutherland under Doug Frost. Being that close to a champion in any sport makes you realise that no matter how hard you train you'll never come close to their performance.
Thanks for uploading this. What an incredible swimmer and man. Love you Thorpe!!!
At his peak, I think he was the best 200-400m freestyler of all time
He beat the best 100m freestyler swimmers at 2004 Athens too. Had he trained a power jump start he could even beat most of 100m freestyle swimmers nowadays.
best 200m freestyler of all time ? Phelps swam 1.42s and 1.43s
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He beat everyvone: hoogeband, hackett, brembila, rossolino, phelps...
@@mirospajic9929 Thorpe was 2 years older than phelps. Where was Thorpe in 2008 ?
Best swimming youtuber, like if you agree
Ummmm Cody miller
Finn Wirum true
My mate Thorpey I used speak to him sometimes in training I was swam at the same swimming centre he was training at .He always had time for me and we were good friends I even had my recreational lessons in summer in the same pool I would pace him just for fitness the combination of doing gym sessions kept me fit. They were my greatest days in my 34 years alive
I saw that 1999 Pan Pacs World Record I was in the VIP section his coach got the tickets for me
How lucky!!! 😍
Yes indeed
best middle range freestyler of all time !!! god his technique is just PERFECT !!!
This video did not disappoint. I would have like to see his 3.40.06 race included too, because even though it was not exciting, it did feel surreal. I don't think I've ever seen someone win by that huge of a margin in a 400 freestyle at top level. Ever again.
I’ve watched a lot of swimming in my life, but that 3rd race in the video is by far the best race I will ever watch. I had never seen that race before today. How the hell did he win that? Hackett was miles ahead and basically had it in the bag
His technique was so Smooth, so perfect.
The number 1 race for me was the 200m final in Athens when he avenged the Sydney defeat, and had Michael Phelps to contend with as well.
I agree. That race made me scream and fall in tears of joy at that time... 🖤
what I love about the 1:44.0 200m freestyle is that Hoogie is really in awe. It was just one of those moment where you have no idea wtf just happened.
Let’s just take a moment to appreciate ray warrens commentary. Best Australian commentator of all time.
He could make two ants racing exciting
Great video mate. Thorpeedo is just legendary
I love the Aussie and American rivalry in swimming.
As an American, I cringed when Gary Hall Jr said they were going to smash the Aussies like guitars.
It was embarrassing.
Hall had that coming. This wasn’t just a loss. The US hadn’t lost that relay in over 3 decades. Then Gary runs his mouth and couldn’t back it up. Maybe if Gary had trained a little harder he wouldn’t have died so badly.
Props to Thorpe. Beautiful stroke, dude just glides like he’s doing a catch up drill, because his legs are driving like mad.
Who the hell kicks that hard for a 400 straight? It’s just phenomenal.
Makes for a great story though, especially for us aussies
@@xkimopye Absolutely.
And a parable on trash talking as well.
Good read, It's interesting too read a POV from the other side coming from Australia, Was a great race!
@@bikkyful It was. And I really wish Hall had kept his mouth shut. But that’s pretty much Gary’s legacy, the guy that ran his mouth and couldn’t back it up. Personally I can’t stand that type of bravado. Gary is actually a really nice guy. I think he was trying to adopt a persona at the Olympics and it went over like a lead ballon. But fair or not, Gary has definitely had to live with that mistake.
So I found it odd when France did a similar thing to America in Beijing and had the exact same result. Almost like karma is holding sway.
FYI, in my humble opinion Thorpe is one of the greatest swimmers ever. Certainly the best middle distance freestyler of all time and probably the best all around freestyler ever.
The speedsuit era robbed Thorpe of a lot of records that may still be standing today. Which is kind of how I judge how far a swimmer is ahead of their time. Thorpe was doing impossible things. He was doing it in the most competitive stroke and in the most competitive events.
Phelps 400 IM just doesn’t carry near the same weight as Thorpe’s 200 or even 400 free.
To dominate those events like he did was phenomenal, and he even had a rival in what’s his name-Hoogenband or whatever, and Hacket.
Just terrible luck that he did all of that right before the speedsuit era.
Really wish he could’ve stuck it out a few more years and Thorpe swimming in a speedsuit would’ve really given some people perspective of how fast Thorpe was.
Thorpe would still have the 200 and 400 free records. Some 15 years later. In the most competitive event in swimming, the 200 free. I doubt anyone has held the 200 free record half that long in modern swimming.
I’m an American fan first, but some swimmers just transcend national sentiment. Hacket was another. What he did in the distance events was jaw dropping. Decades ahead of his time.
I also like that the Aussies are very outspoken about PEDs, particularly Sun Yang.
2 of my all time greatest swim races are here - my number one is the Sydney 4 x100m Relay ... THE most exciting swim race i ever saw ... and number 2 ... well, what can you say about Thorpe's final 100m to win his first world championship at 15 years. He took 3 seconds off Grant Hackett in that last 100, most of that in the last lap. Thorpe did that - not to some deadbeat like me, in a suburban pool ... he did that to an all-time GREAT - Grant Hackett. FMD!!!! And the amazing thing is that Hackett was breathing to the right and could see the Thorpedo coming - but could do nothing about it.
Thorpe is the reason of why I am swimming the 200 free sooo much better!💪🏊♂️
I was there that hot January evening back in 1998 when Thorpe came from the clouds to beat Grant Hackett in the 400 m final. That race had such a psychological impact on Hackett - I don’t think he beat Thorpe in a major race after that night.
Neither do I, but when they team up for the 4x100... Unbeatable team!!!
@@laurasaintclaire hackett didn't swim the 100 relay, did he?
@@laurasaintclaire Hackett wasn't in the 100 meter relay mate.
@@laurasaintclaire That was Klim, Fydler, Callus and Thorpe if you refering to the 4x100 free relay in Sydney.
800 and 1500 were hacketts only wins
Laszlo cseh best races of all time
Top 5 Adam peaty races please. Your vids are amazing, always watch them at swim meets.
Top 5 Van Den Hoogenband races! Or Top 5 Mark Spitz races!
The man is a machine. Love him!!!
I'm not a swimming expert. But the way he just seems to glide in the water and his kicks. They're just different. He looked so elegant when he swam that, if not for the other swimmers around him, you wouldn't know how fast he was actually going. He's my all time fav swimmer
I agree. The 400 Freestyle at the 1999 Pan Pacs was epic. I was able to purchase it from the production company on VHS, but after so many moves over the last 20 years, I've lost it... sorry.
Go, Ian Thorpe your the best Australian swimmer ever!
I would switch around the 200m freestyles and include either of his 800m Freestyles of 2001 somewhere. That was really the moment where the world realised how Special he was. Beating Hackett in a distance race...
excellent!! suggestion: top mixed relay races, specially those with different male - female orders in the pool between the teams, it becomes very unusual!
His absolutely amazing swimmers. The best of the best
What a legend, his 400 Sydney free is probably one of my favourite swims to watch ever
Thanks for the video
Although I always wanted Van den Hoogenband to win (I am Dutch), Thorpe's technique was so smooth and awesome to watch
Could you imagine if Thorpe has Phelps underwaters 🤩, Thorpes early verticals forearm is something to behold !
Final leg in the mens 4x100 at Sydney 2000 was the greatest swim of all time imo
The most beautiful smooth technique.
Love Thorpie Australia is blessed with some of the greatest swimmers of all time looking forward to what's coming up 😜👍🦘❤️ Aussie Aussie Aussie yahoo 😘
The Thorpedo. What a beast 👌👌
top 5 races of cate campbell please !!
... Some swom faster back then (200m free Sydney), others swom faster afterwards... however nobody else has swom that smoothly, efficiently and elegantly as Thorpe...
*swam you illiterate numbnuts
@@ray.shoesmith No need to be nasty!
Top Park Tae Hwan races!!! Honestly I don't care what the content is I want a video on my boy Park
Could you please do top 5 Adam Peaty Races also top 5 Michael Phelps races
Sometimes i wonder if the suit helped him a bit to be that much faster. Because the suit got banned later on, so it must have given him some advantage
Thankyou
No problem
Do top 5 best long distance swimmers
Nice vid as always! Do u have a top 5 races for Michael Phelps? I’d love to see hat
Thanks!! But uff that's gonna be a tough one to narrow down to 5 races as Phelps has had so many amazing races in his career.
Tenhead Thank you for your tips 💪
OhSean Swimming Very true, but I think his number 1 race would be the 2008 100m butterfly when he pipped Milorad Cavic by .01.
@@ohseanswims7539
6 of his best races are:
200 free 2008 Olympics (took 0.9 off his 2007 WR and was his most perfect race regarding technique)
200 fly 2007 WC (took 1.6 seconds off his WR to win by 3 seconds, fastest in textile for the next 12 years)
100 fly 2008 Olympics (won his toughest individual race in beijing by 0.01)
200 free 2007 WC (broke Ian Thorpe's 6 year old WR by 0.2)
100 fly 2009 WC (rematch with cavic, reclaimed the WR by becoming the first person to break 50)
400 IM 2008 Olympics (his only individual WR still standing today)
the top 3 definitely should be there. pick 2 out of the bottom 3 or maybe throw in a 2015/16 race
Iam glad he was an Australian he sent it HARD! AMAZING 😊
The 400m at Athens???? After falling off the block at the trials, and then an amazing 8 lap match race with Hackett. Brilliant victory under pressure by Thorpe.
That race was an emotional triumph for him, technically it wasn't even a decent swim to his standard. One can only imagine what kind of result a happy and peak Thorpe could generate...
I coul watch he swimming all day
very good. thank you!
your welcome! thanks for watching
Great video
Thanks!
Wonderful Swim By Ian Thorpe !
Absolutely!
You should do Joseph Schooling Top 5 races of all time
Once he turned for home and started his six beat kick no one was going to beat him. It looked like he had an outboard motor behind him. Can't believe the US commentators for the Athens race actually thought Keller was in with a chance. Phelps maybe, I know Keller came 4th but the 3 medal winners were in another class.
Big 🙌 big 🦶 big ❤️ = CHAMPION =LEGEND 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺👍
Thrope was like a hero, always came at the end and won the fight
sydney 4 x 100 is one of the great races of all time . . .
Thorpe is my favorite swimmer!,
The best swimmer ever!!!
Imagine thorpe training nowadays when the sport has evolved so much in technique.
Imagine Thorpe with proper walls training...
One of the best swimmers in history, no doubt.
Thorpedo is an Australian icon and a gem to be savoured!
IAN THORPE ALL TIME SWIMMING LEGEND
The Australians beating the Americans in Sydney was the first time in 104 years, not 36. The USA had never lost until that moment. It is by far and away the greatest olympic moment in Australia's history.
it's 36 because the mens 4x100 free only became an olympic event in 1964. what they mean is, the us had never lost the race in its 36 year history at the olympics
You should do Le Clos next or Sun Yang
Top Swimmer
His freestyle tekkers and hips are very high making him faster through the pool
Do best swim for each stroke and each distance e.g. Best 50 free swam,best 100 free swam etc. All strokes
Freak of an athlete
Not sure how the Thorpe Vs Hackett race wasn't included.
You should have added his 400m world record at the 2002 commonwealth games
ian thorpe is the best
Pez en el agua, su forma de nadar era espectacular
Mireia belmonte please🤙btw great video!!!
Can you do Top 5 races of Adam Peaty?
I hope Thorpie is happy in his personal life.
That is my wish for him too, genuine happiness is ❤
WORLD CHAMPION AT 15 WTF
The invincible Thorpedo !!!
Torpe the best !!!😮😮
Look at the massive rooster tail that flies up when Thorpe starts kicking those huge feet!
Please do top 5 Mitch Larkin races. Please do its my birthday today
Cristinlee Hangad Happy Birthday!! 🎉
He was a inspiration...he was fast...
miss Thorpe
1998 race. 1st time to see thorpe topless. lol
Hendy Roddyck took me a while to find him because I’m so used to looking for the bodysuit.
GOAT
Master and Commander! Thorpedo!
Goat
Top 5 races of Iron Lady
The invincible THORPEDO !!!
Top 10 Adam Peaty races
We have a habit of bullying our best
4:00 to 4:16 - never gets old. 🙂
please do cameron mcevoy next!
Super Thorpie
Plz make vid of biedermann
Top 5 Sun Yang races
Nah, should just ignore tainted swimmers.
Proven drug cheat
That relay.....it was his outboard motor kick speed he had. Just look at the wake behind him. Enormous.