SSL Origin | My 6 Month Review | What I Like & Dislike
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- In this video, I share my thoughts on the SSL Origin after owning it for 6 months.
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Spent more than an hour on this console during its release at vintage king here in Nashville, and was so close to pulling the trigger on it… And then Covid lol. Cool video, wonderful console.
Hi Colt, I am a BIG fan of your channel! Thanks for all that you bring to the audio community. You should have pulled the trigger! :)
Great video and I think your points about the inserts makes sense. I've worked in studios with large consoles and there's nothing like it. As you said, in the box gets the job done, but the tactile experience is so much different. It's more like playing an instrument and feels much more creative.
Well said! Its just like playing an instrument.
I would venture to say that if money and space were not an obstacle, every mixing engineer would have a large format console.
You bet they would and those same people are the ones that continue to write me disrespectful comments that I need to go through and delete everyday...LOL
@@MixingMusicAnalog and that is the problem with today's world. People should be inspired to work harder and smarter so that they can afford such tools. Instead they are jealous and that's sad.
@Real Home Recording, yep that's true. People like that are simply jealous and that's too bad. however, I realize that there are way more people that come here that find the info helpful and fun to watch and so that is the only reason I continue to make videos for this channel. If I can help inspire others or simply help them with a single issue they are having, then its worth doing
The algorithm has come back with a 100% win in recommending me this video.
Subbed in a heartbeat 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thank you so very much!
I just bought an origin and threw it right into the fire. Bed track session. Console arrived and 2 hours later we were recording beds! It was def a very simple type session just mic ins and direct outs and returns to protools but as you say, the console is very straight forward yet with lots of possibilities. Your videos have been very helpful and I appreciate all the work you are doing for the rest of us Thanks!!! I did test drive the console twice before purchasing and it does have nice tone. I'm also baffled by the no insert button on the groups however i usually find that ssl does things very purposefully and perhaps in getting input from top ssl mixers on what they should leave out to meet the price point...maybe bus inserts wasn't a top priority. Personally i feel the most important thing the console has is 32 awesome eqs! I mean isn't the 242 what we all want first?...large and small faders BOTH with inserts next...A killer cue system and communication section...a killer master section...tons of routing and the great bus compressor...maybe they figured the busses would be best served for stems prints or surround possibilities...I'm not sure but I would have liked a button...but theres' no way i'd sacrifice 8 eqs for that
Congrats on your Origin purchase
The ambiance alone, looks sweet! Paired with the lighting and the console-it’s got to be a very inspirational environment !
Thank you
Thank you for your video. I’m in the middle of installing an SSL Origin in my studio here in Atlanta. Was worried. You’ve helped out a lot! Once I get it up, ima need James! LOL
Glad I could help! Congrats on your Origin!
Hybrid is the way to go for sure. What they don't tell you about Andrew Schepps is that he is working on tracks that have already gone through top grade equipment from world class studios prior to receiving them.
I enjoy actually touching gear especially as a musician where part of the art and experience is about the feel. A mouse and keyboard is so detached from the music. I wish I could get a console but I don't have 60k to drop lololol.. I'm happy for you though.
Thank you so much!
I love it.. Thanks for the video.
I engineered and produced analog in the 1980s for 10 years and then life took a different path. My dream is setting up another studio and SSL is on the top of my list along with both MCI machines and digital. I completely agree that hands on is part of the experience. The console is one of the musical instruments that gets played in the chain of recording and mixing. Everyone should go hands on to experience it even if they plan to stay in the box.
Well said!
Dave, back in the 80s I had the privilege of working in a large format studio with two MCI consoles. I completely agree about the tactile feel and inspirational ambience of such an environment. I work in the box now and like you said it’s just not the same. It’s great, but not the same. Congratulations on your purchase. Have fun.
Thanks Ken!
As owner of Origin 00078 I agree with all you said. The only other gripe I have is that the SF from LF function is pretty useless - the SF insert isn't active, it's an exact copy of what is on the LF post insert and can only be routed using the busing system, which means you can't route the LF to a bus. Can't think of anything where it would come in useful. I also have a Fusion and Apollo X16's, so I was gong to use the Origin Master Outputs to feed the Fusion and then use the separate UAD Console Monitor Outputs from the Apollo units to go back into the desk 2 track "externals" to hear what I'm doing. This should get round the Stereo Width closing in when using the Fusion on the Origin Master Insert and Bus Comp in tandem. I don't have either the 2 track externals or the monitor out of the Apollo's wired to my patchbay at the moment but will be doing shortly to get round the same problem you're experiencing. Keep on twisting those knobs! 🙂Cheers Andy
I was not aware of the SF to LF issue. I personally have not had a need to try that yet. Good tip on the Fusion / master section
Hi David…. Regarding using the SSL Fusion… in my setup i route the console mix out(which I get from the patchbay at mix out connection) to the Fusion and then to the Neve MBP…. I then “return” that to the Master Bus Insert Return…. This gives me the MIX with SSL bus compression that I then can process with Fusion and Neve MBP and bring that back for the final PRINT TRACK….
Hey Terry, but do you still use the Origin for controlling your speaker monitors or do you use a separate monitor controller?
@@MixingMusicAnalog yes…I use Origin for my three sets of monitors(Monitor Out DB25) Mix Out is coming off a different Origin DB25… it’s tied to the 2 bus….
@@MixingMusicAnalog In my setup I take the output of the print track (in the DAW), route that to an external input in the monitor controller and listen to that. That allows me to put master bus processing after the mix bus and listen to what I'm actually printing to the daw. That also allows me to hear any problems (clicks or pops etc.) with the print track.
I'm glad you pulled the trigger on getting a console. Not meaning to be stuck in the past with the whole must have large format consoles. racks of outboard gear, tons of cables, patchbays, floating rooms within rooms, isolation booths, big tall live rooms with classic vintage mics and the wholly grail of preamps and so forth, but its undeniable that with the millions of records that were recorded, mixed, and mastered that way for thousands of artist by top engineers we idolized such as Chris lord-alge, Bruce Swedien, Bob Clearmountain, Andrew Scheps, Silvia Massey and hundreds of others. I mean, yes its great with access to really great plugins and a good DAW and audio interface, but less face it. the Bar is really high when it comes to the traditional console, outboard gear, and so forth, the sound is just hard to beat going strictly in the box. The console is just one of the center sounds that make great records
Great points for sure. I tell everyone, if you have the chance to work on a console, even if its for only a day, you will be hooked after a few hours. LOL
Looks like the price went up 10k since you got yours… This seems to be an extremely flexible and efficient console for the price! Very informative videos! Thanks
Yes, like everything else in the world these days the price went up. I am happy I purchased mine when I did. Thanks for watching
Well, after working 15 years on big consoles and another 15 in the box … I’m back on an analog console again.
It is soooo much quicker to get results. You get things done in a second. The problem with plugins, they sound good individually, but ones they come together and the processor bottleneck hits in … it falls apart. There is great stuff in the digital world of course, but the simulation of the old stuff, not for me.
Thanks for watching!
I have noticed this trend of people going back and hardcore in the box producers/mixers expanding to hardware.
Especially for tracking. I still feel the need for a console in any form. Only for mixing I can live without.
Great information Dave! I would love to have an SSL Origin but for now my Yamaha RM-800 inline console will have to do. I still have 24 channels with EQ on the big fader and 24 channels without EQ on the small fader (actually a knob). A friend of mine came over to the studio a few years back and asked me why I prefer to mix OTB with outboard gear instead of ITB with plugins. I loaded a mix on the console and told him to play with faders and panning pots. As soon as he started panning stuff ho turns over and tells me: "Now I get it".
As long as you have real faders and some console, the experience is the same! Have fun with your rig!
If you do a lot of modding to those old Yamaha boards they’re actually really nice.
I just scored an RM800 on a trade and I am beyond impressed! 100mm faders, 3 band EQ with sweepable mids, 4 aux sends, and great routing possibilities. It’s so quiet it’s hard to believe it’s analog. A major upgrade from my Mackie and it absolutely destroys my friends Soundcraft Ghost.
It’s heavy as as tank, has individual channel strips, and great track separation…I could go on all day! My only gripe is I’d like more inserts, but that’s nothing a patchbay won’t solve. I can’t believe how slept on these consoles are.
thanks for the honest video. I also went for an analog studio for my music production and mixing and mastering. For the same reason as you mentioned. It is more fun then ITB and work with the mouse.
Thanks. It's a lot more fun in my opinion as well
Your enthusiasm and earnest way of being is truly infectious. Thanks for sharing your experience with this console. Really cool and generous of you! All the best.
Thank you kindly! I do appreciate the support!
Hi Dave, This is Fadi Hayek from SSL USA. I wanted to commend you on a great series of videos covering Analogue mixing. Please reach out if I can be of any help to you locally.
Hi Fadi, Thanks very much. please send me an mail so we can exchange contact info. I do have a couple of questions for you. My mail address is david@mixingmusicanalog.com
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Great video, I love all of the detailed info about the Origin and why you mix with analog gear. I can’t afford an Origin …..yet, but I have been working hybrid for many years (Burl B32 + Hardware) and I feel the same way. Actually using gear and mixing through hardware is just so much more fun than just using a mouse and computer!!! It makes me enjoy the process so much more and it allows you to build a custom setup and do something different than the all ITB mixer down the street does. I am also a little biased but I also think it sounds better than mixing ITB. I also print through the Burl B2 which gives my mixes a certain sound they wouldn’t have otherwise. I love the channel, great concept and I hope it does well for you!!
Thanks very much for checking out the channel! I have heard great things about the Burl B2 and have considered adding that to my rig. Not sure how those integrate with the Quantum interfaces.
Great video, great way to list pros and cons and what a fantastic tool you have over there. Congrats and lots of mixes and success and achievements man. Best regards.
Thank you so much!!
I agree with you on mixing on the console and outboard is great, but the problem is when the client wants a few tweaks 2 months later, good luck recalling it. Im doing this a long time and I can tell you thats a nightmare. Thats why I pretty much mix in the box and use my audient asp 8024 for input when recording. Scheps does the same thing. I guess thats where the AWS comes in handy as it will recall all the settings.
I dont have that issue with recall. I dont work with clients that need to come back 2 months later for tweak. As a matter of fact, when I was mixing all ITB for nearly 10 years, with all the clients I worked with, I never once had someone come back to me after they signed off the project looking for tweaks.....not a single time. I don't have to deal with that type of client. Now, if I was working in a situation where that was common place and my clients were paying me with that expectation that they can come back after they signed off the mix and I delivered the final files....then Absolutely.....I would have an AWS or a Delta where recall is super simple and quick.
@@MixingMusicAnalog Oh man, you are lucky. I work with major artists, record labels, music directors, and that has happened to me many times over the years. Back when I had my Trident 80c, we use to take detailed photos and video so we could recall a mix. Crazy how it use to be.
@@peterk743 too many chefs in the kitchen situations suck!! I hope you charged them more $$$ every time a project had to be recalled.
Consoles are great for recording and tracking a band. This console seems really nice. If your not tracking a band with drums and just an artist, I would get 2 UF8 's, UF1 and UC1.
With that being said, the SSL XL Desk ia another good SSL console at even a lower price which is great for getting the SSL sound for a serious project studio.
However stupid this may sound, I have purchased an SSL BiG SiX, and it has changed the way I mix. The experience of faders and knobs is hugely superior to mixing in the box. I cannot start to think how much of a leap going from BiG SiX to Origin would be, but if the BiG SiX is already a great step up from being "in the box", the Origin must be a life changer.
I now mix with a smile, get my results faster, the process feels better, and my confidence is boosted. I think my sound is better, but even if it weren't, going analog is totally worth it for the pleasure of spending hours on a console.
It does not sound stupid at all.
Thanks David! Look forward to the recording series when it's safe to do so!
Me too!
At first I wanted the Solid State Logic AWS 948 48-channel Analog Mixing Console with DAW Control, it is a 48-channel console and costs $118,000, the ssl ORIGIN costs $60,000 and can mix 64 channels, you changed my project and you thanks, talk to my provider in my country and I'll include the UF8 for the DAW. Thanks for your videos, we keep learning.
I originally looked at the AWS 948 and almost bough it. It has the automation and recall assist, but for my it was double the cost and in the end too rich for my blood.
@@MixingMusicAnalog Friend, what I'm looking for is the largest number of channels and the ORIGIN console gives me what I want in one piece, with a UF8, the other would be more investment.
Thanks to your videos I'm also going for the Presonus Quantum, the Mac book pro with M1 max is enough for me
Great, honest video where you are expressing pros and cons. Having seen you working on the Presonus StudioLive, having the in the Box sound, but the still moving faders, I would love to understand the differences in workflow from one to the other. Of course they will sound very different, but as far as being able to reach out and touch a knob, what are the pros and cons of working with a digital console vs an analog console.
Same sort of workflow but with a way different sound. Also, more fader on the SSL with 64. No easy way to use outboard gear. The Studio Live is a big DAW controller which is great.
You definitely accelerated my purchase as well. I was seriously interested but after watching your videos i just went for it. Thank you very much taking the time to post.
Glad I could help!
Love the channel - you're the only one with really hands on mixing on the Origin!! Price went up like $10k. That puts me out of the market. I looked at the XL-Desk and was told there was only 1 "laying around" that they could ship. That turned me off. The XL-Desk is cheaper but still about $27k half loaded, I don't want something that's been "laying around", otherwise I'd buy a used one.
The XL desk is really great from what I have read as well.
Your conclusion doesn’t surprise me in the least, it’s a no brainer that working with the SSL makes you feel the way it does, RAWK ON!!
It certianly is a ton of fun! thanks for watching
Very, very well presented. Observations: you clearly have a great deal of knowledge of mixing and session work, and have worked with this console enough to provide a pretty thorough review. You’re also well spoken. Also, saying “yous” adds to the flavor, I almost picture that house somewhere near South Philly!
Much appreciated!
Nice review I've watched the SSL SAGA Series of videos and it's been a journey you've inspired me to think outside the box and now I'm thinking of getting a Signature Soundcraft 22MTK series console for analog summing
Good for you!
I like the power consumption feature or lack thereof. The 'sleep' mode sounds ideal, although it doesn't sound like it's an energy hog either way. I'm very jealous :D
Thanks Malcolm!!
You know what would fit nicely in the master section (if you didn't have UF8)? A GML 8200. Ooooo. Def need to find someone to do a mod for you to get the insert order under control, seems so odd they would do that. Good luck to you brother, keep up the good work!
Yea, I would like to see if a mod could be done on the insert point on the master section
@@MixingMusicAnalog super dope video man! jw if anyone’s figured out a mod for the master or group inserts yet?
great video! great clear explanation about the master bus section about flipping inserts.
Thank you!
thank you for the review dude. awesome video. wish SSL watches it and tweaks the design to fit the fusion in it. you are totally right, leaving the sweet spot to tweak while mastering is not the way. I cant wait to make me some money and get one of these but from my research seems to be a #1 pick and you do have a great contribution to it.
You are very welcome!
Drooling over the Audioscape compressors hiding in the back there
Great compressors. Detailed video on those coming this year :)
Your videos are always informative and a pleasure to watch.
Thank you very much
Automation is nice to have ,but i really like the snapshot recall on my desk,comes in handy.
I am sure it does! I personally dont have a use for that feature so I am not worried about it
@@MixingMusicAnalog When i ordered my board i was going to get the board with no automation,but after researching it,most of the 2448 's out there had it.,and when i am using the radar system for a project there is no automation or plug-ins , but there is linear time code on the radar and also on the 2448,which gives me the use of automation in the radar mode which is great,rock solid.but a control surface like the ssl will do the trick.
PS ,Deleting the automation,will pay for all your wiring and patchbays,lol
Happy you are digging the SSL Dave. Looks like fun. Just very beyond me.
Thanks Mike!
Maybe i will do video on wiring the 2448,just ordered more snakes for my lunchbox's and small fader sends and returns,and relabeled all my patchbays ala patchcad.
Would love to see it and that 2448 in action
Cool,Just waiting on the snakes.
Thank you for these in depth videos of the Origin, you really are the only one creating such detailed content about this console. I was looking through the installation manual, and - though it might be wonky, and possibly a ventilation/heat issue - it says: "the 11th and 12th U of rack space are angled such that a deep unit could extend through the cable entry space in the rear of the console". so perhaps there is a way for the Fusion to fit in the center section afterall? Again, thank you for the content and please keep it coming!
Nope, there are some electronic components in that area and everything is so jammed tight in there that the Fusion really does not fit easily, especially with the cable connecting to the back
Thanks, I really enjoyed watching this, definitely a n eye opener.....keeping an eye on your sight again thanks....
Thanks for watching!
Someone may have already mentioned this, but if not, it would be great if you could give a list of the cables needed to fully utilize the console's ins and outs. Obviously the outboard gear each person has will change the type of ends on the snakes, but the console ends would be the same.
Good idea. Maybe I will do that video soon
Next time I'm in the Hudson Valley I'll hit up Davis SJ and maybe we'll swing by...
Sure thing!!
damn you are amazing sir.... thanks so much for this video seriously.
Thank you my frined!
It's funny (not really) that the Origin has the same bus compressor setup as the SSL Six. You have an insert before the compressor, but if you want to add processing, it either has to go before the compressor on the insert, or you need to add it to the main out of the desk (I don't want everything I process through the Six going through additional processing). I sort of get it with the Six due to the cost, but at $50k, you'd think they would've given a little more flexibility.
I agree with you
I truly appreciate what you do
Thank you so ver ymuch!
Very interesting video and review of your console. I would be very interested in hearing a mix that you've done previously entirely "in the box" compared with you re-mixing it using the same source material (tracks) and principles but through the console. It would be great to hear the sonic differences. I'm not interested in hearing an analog vs digital comparison because that's an entirely different situation. As Andrew Scheps says, what is important is what comes out of the speakers. At the end of the day, which is going to sound better to the client/artist or to the general public (not just those engineers/producers who have their own preconceived ideas of which should sound better). In other words, which is better for the music??? 😎
I may do a test like that at one point but honestly, there would be so much hateful nonsense comments I would have to sift through it's not worth it for me to do. I am not going to convince anyone with a video series like that so why bother. There are sonic differences with out a doubt but unless you sit it the room you wont appreciate the full scale of it.
The Andrew Scheps remark is fine but people that constantly quote him because now he only mixes in the box, they completely miss the point of why I bought a console, even through I said it twice in this video and have made the same point in several other videos. People hear what they want to hear and they dont listen. They can't have a console for whatever reason so it makes them feel better to say "Well, Andrew Scheps says this and Andrew Schps says that". Again for every guy like Andrew Scheps mixing totally in the box, there are 20 other engineers at his level still mixing on consoles. However, people don't want to hear that and that's totally fine.
I appreciate you watching
Great points you made. Fantastic console with great quality, but still the bus features you said you would like.
Perhaps a work around on the mains is to bypass the Fusion altogether to get the master bus compressor.
Then pass the printed stereo track through a channel pair “zeroed out” to insert the Fusion only.
I know it’s extra and maybe someone already suggested it (or you tried it already). But with the low noise SSL specializes in, you shouldn’t end up with unwanted artifacts I guess lol
That is a work around, thanks
Just sold my console for a UC1, 2 UF8's , M2 MBP, 2 APOLLO 16'S , 10 k for monitors and 3k in plugins. I bought a SUV brand new with the cash left over. Love the tons of extra space in the room. Cut the electricity bill in half;
Good for you. What ever works is all that matters
Main points I took from this video:
The best thing about this board is the build quality and customer service. It’s not too big. It also gives you a good feeling sitting behind it and makes you happy like a kid in a candy store. It’s nice to be “part of the music”. It sounds good and has that sound, but not necessarily better than plugins. It’s quicker to mix on this than in the box, so there is an advantage over plugins. There’s some weird design flaws, and lack of compression, but what do you expect for 50k? When you have name brand gear it holds its value and impresses clients. He’s happy he bought it more and more every time he uses it.
A lot of my feelings mirrored here about my own analog gear. However I decided to stop using a console and went with 500 gear and motorized faders.
Great work, thanks for the video!
Could not have said it bette myself...LOL
@@MixingMusicAnalog well, you did lol
Wow I was actually surprised to hear you say the there were 32 SSL preamps built in. We all know if you bought a Neve with 32 1073 preamps the price would be thru the roof. The fact that you have 32 great / amazing sounding SSL pres makes it worth every penny.
It was a little sad to hear that it didn’t have compressors though.
Having not watched the rest of the videos (yet) How are you sending all 32 into a DAW. Is the Origin a 32 or 64 USB interface? Or are you having to take the analog out into a box like a Quantum 4848 or similar.
Thanks and great video. Would love to come by and sit in whenever it’s safe. Cheers !
Go watch the other videos, I answer all your questions
@@MixingMusicAnalog I knew it as soon as I finished typing I went and found it. So funny and interesting all of the comments. I especially love the one where people just don’t listen and make stupid comments. They think they are listening but their brains are too busy thinking of what they are gonna say. I work those people and it’s annoying. Anyways. Love these videos. Keep them up. Oh and speaking of Slate Digital. I absolutely love their free plug in Fresh Air. (I watched your other video about the compressors you bought. Perfect timing!)
Take care!
You can mod the bus returns to have an insert.
I dont know. i never looked into that
@@MixingMusicAnalog Ask your tech guy or call Bob Shuster
love you dave, thanks for this honest video
Thanks my friend! I appreciate you watching!
I have SSL Alpha Channel pre-amp and what I learned is that SSL pre-amps work extremely well on dark mics, but not so well on bright mics.
I have U47 type of clone, handmade by a (now) retired engineer
You should always pair your gear with what matches your sound, SSL is clean, but almost never perfect for bright mics, my opinion. When you put a dark mic behind SSL, you will see amazing results.
SSL Alpha Channel: "The EQ is, in essence, a mono version of the three-band EQ used in the stereo channels on the G-series console, while the preamp is a slightly modified version of the VHD mic pre from the E-series Signature Channel."
SSL Origin uses: PureDrive Preamps, E-Series EQ
Probably similar in some ways to my unit.
Years later I see most of the appeal for Neve style consoles, as most people rock mics that have hyped high frequency response. Unlike U47 clones that have a roll off.
I tend to stay away from overly bright mics and gear. This is why Focusrite Scarlett was not a good replacement to my Saffire Pro 40.
Some people love the dark/tape like sound, I am one of those guys. Some like more clinical sound.
I think Audient interfaces such as ID44 MKII and ID14 MKII fit perfectly between, for anything brighter I would go for SSL, but I hated SSL 2+ interface, it was so painfully bright, even with my U47 clone.
Thanks for sharing!
Informative and Niice to know you’ve helped people decide and making some friends!
It has been a fun experience thus far
You can hook the output of the g bus out to the ssl fusion. One solution to the ssl fusion going after the the g bus. Im assuming thats the route you went with. Great video love the content. Give us a comparison ssl origin eq vs plugins
Yes, but then I cant get the audio back into the SSL so I can print the mix into the DAW.....it's a real pain...LOL....however I'll come up with something! Thanks for the info
You could also do a mix from the board,with light compression,then do another pass ,call it mastered track and then use the fusion as the final icing on the cake
you could, but that seems like an un-necessary step. LOL
This series of videos is excellent!
Thanks Michael!
Can you make a video explaining the purpose of the small faders and how they work, what they mix, etc?
I certainly will add it to the list
I work with film music. The small issues mentioned about input bypass is not a deal breaker. Not having total recall in the year 2000 is. I agree about not having compressors at this price point. However having total recall is a must for those that work in professional spaces, especially those like me who work on more than one tracks at a time. I would never consider this board at this price point without total recall.
I hear you but like I said in the video. If you want a "total recall" board, be prepared to spend over $150K. Personally I work in a professional capacity and the recall is not an issue for me. However, to each their own.
Great video. I recently purchased the SSL Big SiX (was also looking at the Toft console).
I am definitely subscribing!
How long have you been collecting studio gear for?
Thanks for the sub!
Thanks much for sharing these thoughts! Have you spent any time with SSL’s desktop mixers? Curious how something like the Big 6 compares in terms of sound quality to your Origin console (to your ears). I’ve heard some say just as good, others say doesn’t stack up.
I have never used any SSL desktop mixers so I can't say, sorry
@@MixingMusicAnalog No worries, that makes sense. Thank you for the response!
great vid - thx ... got a lot of informations about it ... to the point of "bus compressor & fusion": is it possible to insert the bus comp in the fusion to use the bus comp "after" the fusion, or isn´t it?
no, cant be done
really interesting stuff. I did see the price of the console and my mind was slightly blown. once you break it down and really think about it though it's probably about right. Also I was just reading SSL was bought out by Audiotonix a year ago and now they also own Slate Digital which is interesting. I'll never own a console like the origin but I do see the UF8 and UC1 as being the next best things and there is a mountain of potential if they choose to get these companies to talk to each other. Having said that I never like companies buying companies.
The UF-8 and UC-1 are great products for sure.
Great video !! Question, when you mixing your ssl fader are in odb and just move studio one fader ?
I mix using the console faders. If you want to use your DAW faders, you can do that ad just push the 0db button on the SSL and that completely take the console fader out of the circut
@@MixingMusicAnalog thanks !! I love your studio
Awesome video Dave, thank you! How does one clean a console that big and maintain it dust free? My studio has such a dust problem, it's a headache lol.
I bought a $15 tapestry on Amazon and use it as a dust cover so the console is always covered when not in use. To get any dust off, I use a clean new paint brush. That seems to work
@@MixingMusicAnalog Great to know, thanks! Gonna look into doing the same thing.
Good luck with it ,love my console
GREAT!!
Great video as always! 👏🏻
Thanks again!
I trained in a studio with an SSL Duality, and I loved it! I swore that would own one someday. When the Origin was announced, I thought to myself that it is just about perfect for a modern studio.
Love it!
The Duality is a much more fully featured console for sure. Much more so that the Origin but at 3 times the cost, at least I would think. I would love to have that as well but it's too rich for my blood....:)
Hey great video, happy you love it! I was also watching your stem video, and had a question, why are you running 3 Apollo 16’s with the console? Are you using the unison preamps on that many channels?
Asking because I didn’t know about this before, but I just went ADAT for expanding my Apollo. It’s not UA preamps, but it shows up with 8 extra inputs in the Console app and I can put UA plugins on every input, just no unison for them. It’s amazing and I believe I’m still using the apollo converters so if you get some decent ADAT inputs that could be a lot of money saved even if you buy UA Satellites for the DSP!
The quick answer is that the Apollo x16 do not have any preamps on them so I am not using the unisen technology. 3 x16 apollos give me 48 I/O.....that's why i am using them
Hey I know I’m super late to this vid, but I’m in the market for getting this console. My question is, can you bypass the preamps on it so you can use another pre amp? I’m not sure if you answered this question so pardon me if you did but I’m def curious! Thank you for these updates and these ssl vids. Top tier
Yes, you can use the LINE IN as its a separate input on each channel so you don't have to use the SSL preamp
@@MixingMusicAnalog awesome thank you for the quick response. Have a great day!
Just to add my 2 cents...
Agree with Dave about virtually everything both positive and negative...the one major issue I have with it is the way they have the MASTER STEREO outs combined with the MASTER INSERT on the same DB25 connection...I would much prefer it to have a separate output for the MASTER STEREO OUT, either on a dedicated DB25 or a pair of XLR jacks...that would eliminate the need to jumper the stereo outs on a patch bay to get a print track back into the DAW via the interface...
He is absolutely correct that being in the room with that thing is an amazing and sometime mind-blowing experience...I mix in the box with a hybrid mix buss and will never claim that the SSL makes better mixes, but the different environment is a total change in workflow and interaction with the tracks...one simply does not compare in any way to the other, they are completely different processes...
I would like to express again how much I appreciate being included in this experience...I have made a wonderful new friend with whom I can share the pure joy of learning and growing as an engineer and I will never be able to properly and adequately express my appreciation to him for it...
We have a pretty solid game plan for the rest of 2022, and you should all look for at least one or two live stream mixes from me as we delve deeper into what the board and other gear have to offer...
Well said
As far as the bus compressor, cant you take the output of the 2 mix, and then go into the fusion?
yes, but then you can get the audio back into the console for monitoring.....not easily anyway
@@MixingMusicAnalog Bummer. Might be a mod there too. But you are right, SSL should have put that in. I really like the Origin, I played with it at NAMM. If I did not own the Audient, I would have considered it. I do have 8 channels of SSL Pre's so I have the flavor if I need. I also bought the UC-1 and am really digging it. ANyway, love your channel! Thanks for what you do!
Do you mind sharing with us which converters do you use?
Presonus Quantum 4848
Dave I see you have 4 Focal Twin6 Be 3-Way monitors.I just bought those and I'm absolutely in love with them! What do you think?
I really like them I have been a Focal user for about 10 years. I started with the Solo 6's and those are great as well. The twins have a more forward midrange.
For the bypass could you route the group back to a regular fader reserved just for that compressor. I had to do that with a old mixer in the past
Yes, great idea.
I know this isn’t quite the same thing but it would be interesting to get your thoughts on the SSL Big Six
If I had one I would do that, but I have never used it
Thank you for posting this, it's very helpful! What would be the best way to run two talkback mics with this console? I have scenario where the engineer and producer would both like a talkback mic. I looked at the schematic and it looks like the DB25 input and the front panel input are summed together before the talkback gain.
I think you are correct. I have not used the talk back mic on the console to this point myself
I am a songwriter singer and love recording and have been in a few nice studios. My day job, however, is as a tile setter. I enjoy designing a job for my customers. I love presenting a finished work of art to my happy customers. I do not, however, enjoy the work. It's physically and mentally stressful and injurious to my body. IF there was a way that made me enjoy my workflow, that made me happy in my work each day, I would pay tens of thousands of dollars for that too.
That console is not necessary to get the job done. But if it makes you more creative, more happy in your work, then it's priceless. We get one life and every moment you can put in the happy jar instead of the toilet, that's precious.
I agree! It's about the "experience" more so than the sound. I have said that dozens of times on this channel but most people dont listen....LOL.
Yes, I can drive to work in a Ford Focus or I can Drive in a BMW. They both get me to work. Why would one buy a BMW when they could save a ton of money and get the Ford? It' about the experience and they way you feel while driving to work isn't it? Both cars will get you to the same place. So, if driving the nicer car makes you happy and you look forward to getting in that car, then I say go for it. Life is too short!
btw - nothing against a Ford, it's just an example. LOL
@@MixingMusicAnalog OF course we make compromises as well. If the Ford means you can have an SSL then it's a Ford you drive for an hour because you spend 8 to 10 hours on the SSL.
And if writing disclaimers to save you time with people looking to be insulted by perceived Ford hate makes your life easier, then one makes that investment. LOL.
I have an Allen & Heath GL2800 console I modified to record, and I'd love one of these one day
Thanks for checking out the video!
the orgin is really a fancy summer thats why you can't add after the the buss Compressor, but I'm jealous of you with that ting, i would link up some tube techs for my pressors if i had it or should i say when i get mines
It's way more than a fancy summer and if you understand the console world you would know that
@@MixingMusicAnalog i hear ya
One of the best channels on YT
So very kind, thank you
Thanks!
Thank you very, very much John! I appreciate you and your support!!
How do you automate mixes? Does the origin work as a daw control surface?
I guess you did not listen to what I said in the video....LOL
@@MixingMusicAnalog sorry. I will watch again
Did you ever consider a trident 68 ,78 0r 88?
I did look at them briefly, but at the time I think they did not have enough faders. I love that the Origin has 64 total fader. I use 40-44 all the time
@@MixingMusicAnalog The trident 88 is avaialbe with 40 inputs ,the 78 goes up to 32 and the 68 goes up to 24
I guess you could use pipeline on the busses and a/b from the DAW, but yeah that sucks. And same with the bus compressor, I usually go eq after the compressor on the mixbuss
yes, you are correct
WARNING - there is the possibility of a feedback loop if you forget and leave the sub group set to go to the stereo mix bus. LOL. Just noticed that.
Thanks!
80% of those songs were recorded on an SSL? Dude! Neve invented the console! And there were many studios who used one to record, say the Neve and one to mix, say the SSL or vise versa but no where near 80% I'm, afraid, Neve's are everywhere, and I prefer them to SSL but they are both good, and it's a matter of personal taste. One thing for sure, the Brits sure do make some sweet gear, especially musical EQ's!
And 72" happens to be 6 feet, an easy to describe the size. It ain't small. I would love to have an analog console...love it. After one week, you don't' need the lights on anymore to record or mix.k For me, that's a good thing.
Well, I guess you told me....another expert...LOL
Would love some examples of your work. Tracks that have been released?
www.mixingmusicanalog.com
My next big purchase. No Doubt. Luckily, Uncle Sam makes purchases go smooth...if ya studied lol
NICE!
Considering how live sound consoles ALL have moving faders nowadays, no matter how cheap they are. I just cannot understand why automation is not an option on this console. Being forced to automate in the box, well, then you might as well just get some better controllers, and a summing mixer. Interested, so lets se what the next version holds.
a digital live console with moving fader is a completely different thing. With those sorts of mixers, you are writing the automation to the DAW just like a regular daw controller. With analog console, the automation would be written to an internal computer within the console post processing. That is where the cost is and there is no analog console with 32 faders for less that 100K that. It simply does not exist.
Could you use something like an spl mix dream to create an insert on off section for the buses?
I’m looking into this console for myself and was wondering if there was a work around.
Sorry not a mix dream, but something like a mastering console that allows inserts with on off switches. I know spl did one and I think it may work?
no idea.
I just purchased a Origin. Coming in 2 days. I had a question about the buss comp. You said it cannot be moved from the insert points. Which I did see the other day in the manual. I also have a fusion and like to put that after the comp. Correct me if I am wrong. So the signal flow goes insert-buss comp - split to monitors then master fader out. What if you ran. Mix to buss comp like normal (not using the insert) than patched in the the main output (after the master fader) and inserted the fusion. Then ran a sub-normalled patch point from the main out (after the fusion) to whatever it is running to normally a daw input or tape machine from the console. Then a mult of the sub-normalled main output to the monitor in section? Again I am getting the console in a few days so I cannot try this yet and then I have like 3 weeks of getting the patch bays ready etc before I can use it. So, going to be a few week until I can try this? But have you though about this and if so does it work?
Also, what is that green led box above the 8 stereo buss faders above your white apple keyboard?
Congrats on your purchase of your console. Once you get it, try out the bus compressor thing and let us know how you make out. You may have a way to do what you are suggesting, not sure
Fantastic video. At 50K it's fantastic but why does everyone list it now at 59K? Did you negotiate? Did you call SSL support and confirm that you can't remove the insert on the busses?
Did you watch the entire video? I answered you question about the cost of the console.
Due to Covid it went through the roof… it’s hard to get components to build the console…. It has effected the whole world….. everything is going up in price….
@@MixingMusicAnalog I stopped to investigate after you mentioned the cost. Now I went back and watched the rest. I used to be all in the box. I now went hybrid and I have an SSL Fusion and them bought and SSL violet EQ and them Elysia hardware units and now I have Gear acquisition syndrome which I think happened to you as well. I want one of those now too. I assume that you still need to buy convertors to support the 32 channels. I currently have an Apollo 8xp and Apollo 8 and a Pure 2. I see the Presonus 48 would work. What are you using ?
Best believe there is nothing like mixing on a SSL origin. It’s second to none. Once I got my hands on the Origin for the very first time, it was over for anything else to do with in the box and no I haven’t bought mine as yet 😂 but will and kinda in the process now of buying my own so yeah I’m super happy and will be even more excited when I actually have it in my studio! Great video brother and you ain’t lie about the whole vibe and feel of the console 👌 🫶🏼🙏
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Glad it was helpful!
Oh, curious, what's directly beneath that area where you want that extra space, can it be customized without a bunch of movement of any sort....I'd love to get specs on that ..I imagine anything's possible...
Thanks
I bought an Origin back in October last year. How long did it take to get to you from the time you purchased it?
Thanks
It got mine in about 3 weeks
You guys also helped me make my decision
It's funny that pre-comp insert point business; I'm watching your video in an effort to pick the right console for a potential project and was looking into this or an API 2448... They have the same problem in reverse, if you take the 529C compression option, the insert point is after the comp, and it does not have any I/O for the comp either, only internaly routed. That's very odd!
Yea, every console I looked at had a small thing or two that was odd but I guess there is no "perfect" solution, especially at this price point