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  • Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
  • Les Thomaidis shows and explains the calibration rack at the Agilent Melbourne Standards Lab that is used to "calibrate the calibrators". This is where other calibration labs send their multimeter and oscilloscope calibrators to get calibrated.
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  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  11 лет назад +4

    At this level in the traceability chain all the standards labs send their references around to each other to keep them in periodic check. Note that this is a standards lab and not just a calibration lab, it has a higher level of certification.

  • @ghffrsfygdhfjkjiysdz
    @ghffrsfygdhfjkjiysdz 8 лет назад +22

    For those who care: The central calibration agencies (National Institute of Standards and Technology in US or JIST Japanese Institute of Standards and Technology in Japan or similar in other nations) of different nations each have their "golden" standard. For Example the mass unit of Kilogram has 8 cylinders of platinum-iridium metal in different labs across the world. Every so often those cylinders are brought together and have their masses compared with differences recorded. The cylinder in France is the only one that is exactly 1 kilogram; all other ones are very very close but not exactly. For example the cylinder from US NIST may be 0.999999997 of a kilogram. Then each national lab will have a set of secondary standards which are regularly calibrated by comparison to the NIST primary standard. Other cal labs would send their standard weights to be calibrated at NIST either against NIST primary standard (Crazy expansive) or against their secondary standards (very expensive). And then you send your scales or set of weights to these cal labs and they cal your part against their primary or their secondary standards. Each step removes the calibration further from the "world" standards increasing the uncertainty of the measurement. This is where the math comes in; to calculate the statistical, combined uncertainty of your part.

    • @susceptibility_
      @susceptibility_ 4 года назад +1

      Thanks, this is what I was looking for.

    • @piopett
      @piopett 9 месяцев назад

      Me too 👍🏽

  • @PaulTurner_Haizo
    @PaulTurner_Haizo 11 лет назад +2

    Back in the mid-70's I was the chief digital instrument repairer at S.E. Labs Ltd, later Thorn EMI Datatech. Our fanciest instrument was the SM215 MkII Transfer Standard Voltmeter that cal' labs used for cell measurements. It only had a resolution of 1 uV, like the multimeter in your thermocouple video (that made me grin) but probably much lower uncertainty.

  • @hankus253
    @hankus253 11 лет назад +4

    Well done Dave.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  11 лет назад

    Yep, it's just a bonus. It was going to be part of a larger one about the standards lab.

  • @xm07
    @xm07 11 лет назад +1

    I love the way how he doesn't want to tell Dave that they use qualified guess for uncertainty "calculation". I like this method - it save reaaaaly lot of boring calculations. :-)

  • @tomjones9137
    @tomjones9137 6 лет назад +1

    Dave is like the Gad Fly of the tech sector...he's always buzzing around nosing into things asking questions and such.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  11 лет назад

    Yes, +/-1degC as opposed to the usual calibration lab across the hall that has a range of 5degC

  • @rogertopful
    @rogertopful 9 лет назад +8

    How do you calibrate the calibrating equipment? Then how do you calibrate that?

    • @monad_tcp
      @monad_tcp 7 лет назад

      They said it, they calibrate at another calibrator's calibrator, then they make a coup, I guess, between them.

    • @vencibushy
      @vencibushy 5 лет назад +1

      Every measurement unit nowadays has a mathematical representation that is mostly based on constants. The only unit that still relies on a physical object is the kilogram. Every country has a national standard which is compared against a primary standard. For example - every national standard for voltage can be traced back to a Josephson voltage standard, which is the most accurate way to reproduce the definition for voltage.

  • @bravedwarf
    @bravedwarf 11 лет назад +1

    This is amazing love this insight

  • @sbreheny
    @sbreheny 11 лет назад +3

    Not only do they have to all agree to within some uncertainty level but also ultimately the national labs derive their standards from either experiments which employ a fundamental physical principle (like some atomic resonance) or (less preferred) in a few cases a single international physical standard (like the kilogram mass standard, which is a physical object).

    • @monad_tcp
      @monad_tcp 7 лет назад +1

      wait, are you implying Americans actually have a standard calibrated mass kilogram?.

    • @davidmfra
      @davidmfra 7 лет назад +2

      oh boy, i think you should watch this, America is actually on the metric system, they just convert it to imperial (lol): ruclips.net/video/SmSJXC6_qQ8/видео.html

  • @UberAlphaSirus
    @UberAlphaSirus 11 лет назад

    I don't think the younger crowd you have subbed can appreciate this level just yet. But I LOVE these types of videos. Thanks for the intel.

  • @TonyButchT
    @TonyButchT 11 лет назад

    DEEP!...But it cleared up some mystery! Thanks for this video!

  • @IIGrayfoxII
    @IIGrayfoxII 11 лет назад +3

    How do you calibrate the calibrator?
    Then how do you calibrate the calibrators calibrator?

  • @xm07
    @xm07 11 лет назад +2

    HP3458 - that's the most annoying meter I've been forced to work with! There are loads of versions with different fw, so it's miracle if your software works with another one you used for development. :-) But it has unique features - there's no common meter that can sample as fast with such accuracy.

  • @Dreamer9317
    @Dreamer9317 11 лет назад

    Felt like on a excursion, but thank you, great video.

  • @jan.tichavsky
    @jan.tichavsky 11 лет назад +1

    When you get down to this kind of accuracy, you need to control the humidity as well as temperature.

  • @ExplosiveAnyThing
    @ExplosiveAnyThing 11 лет назад

    Thats a video i 've always wanted to see!!!

  • @DMStern
    @DMStern 11 лет назад +1

    From the title I was expecting a bunch of engineers getting plastered in the pub.

  • @PaulTurner_Haizo
    @PaulTurner_Haizo 11 лет назад

    Anyway, our chief engineer left to found his own company and while browsing the junk warehouses of Cambridge, I came across a bank of Weston Standard Cells fresh from a deceased cal' lab, but better by far than just the cells, they had the logs so we had traceability (after a bit of settling down due to moving) That was what made them worth many times what we paid for them.

  • @thecobraman
    @thecobraman 11 лет назад

    A VERY GOOD VIDEO DAVE

  • @TheSurvivalSecrets
    @TheSurvivalSecrets 11 лет назад +1

    6:15 Dave playing with a light saber behind the camera?

  • @ImSparticas
    @ImSparticas 9 лет назад +1

    Wouldnt the glass block window, if its an outside window, enable sunlight to warm the equipment casings above controlled ambient ?

    • @SteelBlueVision
      @SteelBlueVision 9 лет назад +2

      +ImSparticas That's what the black pull-down screen is for...

  • @varno
    @varno 11 лет назад

    How about you go to the Australian National Measurement Institute. I am sure they will have some interesting equipment there that you may be interested in. Perhaps having a look at some primary standards.

  • @tcpnetworks
    @tcpnetworks 11 лет назад

    So was he working for Algient?

  • @Sahko123
    @Sahko123 9 лет назад +2

    How would you calibrate a calibrating calibrator(I have no idea what I just said)

  • @Gameboygenius
    @Gameboygenius 11 лет назад +1

    You should start these videos with something like "Les is a metrologist, not a meteorologist, from Australia, not Austria!"

  • @fpvtv9486
    @fpvtv9486 11 лет назад

    They are set to a reference.

  • @wesofx8148
    @wesofx8148 9 лет назад +3

    Calibration is serious.

  • @drpsht
    @drpsht 11 лет назад +5

    alien transmission at 6:15

  • @paulf1071
    @paulf1071 2 года назад

    I understood about 5% of this video!

  • @James_Bowie
    @James_Bowie 2 года назад

    I'm still uncertain about uncertainties.

  • @lordchavo
    @lordchavo 11 лет назад

    What is that sound @6:16? Somebody playing with their light saber?

  • @TheOriginalEviltech
    @TheOriginalEviltech 11 лет назад

    'Cause you must! Are you a metrologist as well?

  • @foxyrollouts
    @foxyrollouts 8 лет назад

    nice vid

  • @bcsupport
    @bcsupport 11 лет назад

    No, he starts them off with "Hi!"

  • @petersage5157
    @petersage5157 6 лет назад

    I thought this was going to be about calibrating Les.

  • @leosedf
    @leosedf 11 лет назад

    Ohhh! A Greek guy! We are everywhere :P

  • @MrCoontastic
    @MrCoontastic 11 лет назад

    I though it would involve a Turbo Encabulator to calibrate a calibrator as is I fear the Milford trunnions will never reach a full state of sinusoidal depleneration. I am no expert though.

  • @JimGriffOne
    @JimGriffOne 11 лет назад

    I guess the highest level of calibration is mostly about keeping the noise in the noise floor. Physics packages are probably the only way to produce any low-noise absolute references, but then the circuitry around them only introduces more uncertaintly. It must be a bitch to get these things calibrated!

  • @jix177
    @jix177 11 лет назад

    Now..... lets go to the place where they calibrate the calibrator calibrator.

  • @RandyLott
    @RandyLott 11 лет назад

    Haha, it really does sound like it!

  • @chupascz
    @chupascz 11 лет назад

    hmm, i don't get it.

  • @DanTheAppleMan
    @DanTheAppleMan 11 лет назад

    But how do you calibrate the calibrator calibrators calibrators calibration calibr...wait, what ? Oh, just send it to someone else to do it.

  • @vinshepard895
    @vinshepard895 11 лет назад

    Garrus Vakarian.

  • @bojanche
    @bojanche 11 лет назад

    Calibrateception :D

  • @mschwemberger
    @mschwemberger 11 лет назад

    CAL-CEPTION

  • @sayalaperbandel
    @sayalaperbandel 6 лет назад

    Calibrationception

  • @jordanjohnson714
    @jordanjohnson714 8 лет назад

    calibrate calibrate calibrate calibrate calibrate

  • @sugminpurjo2
    @sugminpurjo2 11 лет назад

    God calibrated it...

  • @flodins
    @flodins 11 лет назад +1

    najpierwszy

  • @postal2600
    @postal2600 11 лет назад

    I love meth :D

  • @megasmart1337
    @megasmart1337 11 лет назад

    :D

  • @ernststavroblofeld1961
    @ernststavroblofeld1961 9 лет назад

    Why on earth are all these Agilent guys Meteorologists?
    Are those devices so fragile that weather plays such an important role?
    However, this calibration work gave all those Agilent lads quite some belly.
    And aren Agilent those guy who made your pince-multimeter that blew up and almost killed you, … Dave?

    • @asj3419
      @asj3419 8 лет назад +6

      Their occupation is metrology, not meteorology.
      meteorology is the study the atmosphere.
      metrology is the study of measurment.