Arrangement is basically equal to developing a screenplay. the most interesting story catches you more, the boring ones will be left alone. Congrats for this amazing content nathan! :)
Been recording for years and recently starting producing and I must say I found new ways to record that have been beyond useful. Thank you my good sir!!
with the way modern music became fast to make i fell into the trap where i just duplicate most tracks from section to section and b and just take out some elements in the melody or drums
Which is still completely fine to do, especially if you are trying to make money selling beats or songs to clients. These are great tips to use but don’t need to do it every song. Most producers have even said the songs where they put the most work into like this lot of times don’t sell. Yet the quick simple songs with less than 10 tracks and basic arrangements you described sell faster
New subscriber. I just found your channel today. This is some truly helpful information. Thank you for creating content like this for the rest of us. 🤘
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Hey, thanks for the tips! Quick question: In the second song, you kept the same thing until almost the first 40 seconds of the song. How do you recommend to keep the listener from leaving the song before it starts to develop?
I didn't have the vocal in which is what the primary focus is in the start since it is really moody. There's not a set way of doing it and there are definitely times you want to suspend movement - and that first verse is a good example. It allows the vocal to do the developing until the first chorus
Thanks for this topic. As I'm about to dauntingly step into my logic studio set up for the first time. I have it planned in my mind, how I'm going to approach recording my songs. I've been learning for quite a while now. I still have it to do. But let me tell ya. This video has given me an A.B.C way of looking at it. You explained it well. Nice One. ✌
Hi Nathan, love your content! I'm struggling to put my question into words, and I was hoping you could maybe even point me into the direction of one of your videos or help me articulate it better. I'm having trouble with arrangement in the way that I know that I want to build it and I have exactly what you show in this video going on in my own stuff, but I have such trouble choosing what instruments to choose, when, and what exactly they will do. I feel so limited, and often re-use the same things: an arpeggio to move the song, a hyponotic repeat of either chords or 1-piano note, a pad in the background for atmosphere - but all of my songs are sounding the same, and I have no idea how to develop the sense for what instruments to choose and what I should have them do in order to build and keep the interest. And it seems no matter what I google or youtube search, I'm having trouble finding the answer to how to make arrangement CHOICES, like the very specific instruments and parts they play. Do you have either any advice or can you point me in the direction of a video of yours to help me with this? The furthest I've gotten is finding a video that mentioned that you want to have a balance of low medium and high pitches to fill out a song and make it sound balanced, but it didn't explain which instruments you should use, and how to know WHEN to use them. I'm going just a little bit crazy with this confusion, haha. Hope you can lend some advice! Love your content, thank you for making it! Also loving the sound of this song, where can I stream it?? 😄
Hi Nathan, I agree with your steps and theory of Music Production. But I have to ask, What kind of Music is that you are demonstrating with? They sound like maybe Movie type soundtracks? Coooool.... Thx ElectricEddie
Nathen Can i send you some music I did on pro x ,, the problem I have is there are Glitches and I just can't locate what its coming from and how to correct it without starting from scratch...ARGGG CAN YOU HELP PLEASE.
I just discover your stuff, the other video that I saw is one from 2 year ago where you took Jacob Collier as an exemple, it seems you have the same approach than him to build your songs and that’s super nice ahahah Anyway, do you think you can use this concept of composition in metal/rock music ? Cause I got the feeling you’re not « allow » to get as creative as in some cinematic music production for example Thanks for your great job and inspiration! 😉😉
Hey Nathan. Did your Spotify get hacked or something? I ask because I got a notification that NJL released a new song, and it sounds nothing like your style. It's called Phatarium. If it was you then no problem. I'm just genuinely concerned it if it wasn't. Thanks for this great video.
It's still midi with no heart or soul. You can try and make it 'interesting" but the right song, acapella, the right song, a voice and a single instrument with heart felt vocals and lyrics.. or you can just produce it to death to get interest..
Bad video, one reason stuff sounds really bland these days is because people think the B section should be made by arranging and you can just turn some different loops on or off. Instead of actually writing with a harmonic scheme that goes somewhere and does something innovative with the harmony necessitating a totally different B section with parts you can't just toggle. You don't reharmonize stuff just by toggling parts in an arrangement. Everyone keeps telling these idiotic arranging ideas to make a B section because they don't really know how to write or comprehend an entire song structure, they only know how to make loops and comprehend the one loop then toggle parts of it. So the stuff is always really tonally bland stuck in the same tonal center. Try writing a song like "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and imagine how that would have come out by just turning parts off and on like you are suggesting in this video. The whole thing would have been in the same key.
@@NathanJamesLarsen No that's not what you said in the video. You didn't mention anything about harmony even once. You were saying to make things sound different sonically, not harmonically. You were saying the same typical thing as every noob, your video was entirely about arranging different textures and timbres, nothing about a harmonic structure.
I have to sadly agree with you. And I say sadly because Nathan seems like a great guy and he is a very good communicator with great skills and great videos. But when the main focus is on producing, you risk getting perfectly, amazingly produced music but soulless, which is what it seems to me is produced in the last times. Anyway, congrats for your videos, skills and personality, Nathan.
@@zyxyuv1650 Ah - I see your clarification. Honestly it's too bad to see people rush to these conclusions specifically about me when this is ONE video and if you knew much about my compositional approach or background you would also know that I have a deep love and passion beyond producing. I'm a composer at the core so utilization of varied harmony, voicing, etc. is something I get really excited about personally - this is one concept in the grand landscape of making music. So yeah I can't really cover every aspect of a topic in one video. Not really how content creation on RUclips works unfortunately. But I do also disagree that this is essentially what makes music sound bad - there are lots of reasons music today doesn't sound great but I dont see sonic variation as one of them - I mean ... take one look at music history and you'd see that this concept was around LONG before music tech and producing. This idea of sonic variation has been around for centuries (or longer) - it's just composers didn't have as many optiions as we do today.
Arrangement is basically equal to developing a screenplay. the most interesting story catches you more, the boring ones will be left alone. Congrats for this amazing content nathan! :)
It's like a boring story with beautiful cinematography is STILL a boring story
Well said
😮😮good story good bad story bad😮😮
Been recording for years and recently starting producing and I must say I found new ways to record that have been beyond useful. Thank you my good sir!!
I love how around 5:40 he asks us, "does that make sense" like we supposed to respond to him XD
Hi Nathan! thanks for the awesome video! I have been scouring for tips and you have never ceased to give great ones!
💪🔥 thanks!
Dude I’m setting up my first vocal studio right now and I’m loving your videos. Thanks
Bro that fucking instrumental is incredible!
08:50. Brooooooo. Those staccato strings are beautiful. Nice work.
with the way modern music became fast to make i fell into the trap where i just duplicate most tracks from section to section and b and just take out some elements in the melody or drums
Which is still completely fine to do, especially if you are trying to make money selling beats or songs to clients. These are great tips to use but don’t need to do it every song. Most producers have even said the songs where they put the most work into like this lot of times don’t sell. Yet the quick simple songs with less than 10 tracks and basic arrangements you described sell faster
New subscriber. I just found your channel today. This is some truly helpful information. Thank you for creating content like this for the rest of us. 🤘
Love the epic sounds as well as the arrangements!
producer think just need knowledge , but we found : insight is very important for music production!
This guy made me inspired a lot I got a new way to improve its watch live when others produce
Great content as usual, Great melodies, amazing sounds, everything fluid, good explanations.
God bless bro.
Thank you for useful videos!
Great quality and clear way of telling.
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You're clearly most fun teacher! Thnx a much I've learned so much from your previous projects 🤯🤯
Super useful as usual, and answers some questions I’ve had (or better yet - gave powerful questions instead of answers)
Yeah just like he said change something after every 4 bars atleast or it becomes boring. This is one of the tips I use in my own production
Good video! I really like your choice of sounds.
You're a blessing man,thanks for helping me level up my game brotha!! All love!
thanks m8, good examples, very concise
Really good stuff. Thanks for posting this.
thanks for the tips and that t shirt fits you perfectly
ur a musical genius
this helped me so much TYSM
Hey Nathan! I just got into mixing a couple of months ago and o jjst wanted to say that I really have learned a lot from your vids man, keep it up
Obviously I can’t type 😂
This is gold. Thankyou
Always love learning from your vids!! Such a great teacher!! Much ❤️ Nathan!!
Loved it 💗
Nice music! I’m getting hanz zimmer vibes. Very cool!
amazing ✨
Hey, thanks for the tips! Quick question: In the second song, you kept the same thing until almost the first 40 seconds of the song. How do you recommend to keep the listener from leaving the song before it starts to develop?
I didn't have the vocal in which is what the primary focus is in the start since it is really moody.
There's not a set way of doing it and there are definitely times you want to suspend movement - and that first verse is a good example. It allows the vocal to do the developing until the first chorus
@@NathanJamesLarsen Loved that answer. Thanks!
Thanks for this topic. As I'm about to dauntingly step into my logic studio set up for the first time. I have it planned in my mind, how I'm going to approach recording my songs. I've been learning for quite a while now. I still have it to do. But let me tell ya. This video has given me an A.B.C way of looking at it. You explained it well. Nice One. ✌
Your producing skills are awesome, thank you for this
🙏 thanks!
great video dude
Thankyou for this brother, the community loves and appreciates you🖤
Sounds sooo good! Which instrument plugins did you use?!
Great content, Nathan! When is this "Rock Vibe Song" from 6:15 ready, and where we can hear it?
It'll be up on streaming platforms probably in the next 1-2 months. Still wrapping it up
@@NathanJamesLarsen Ohhh Thanks, GOOD LUCK!!!
Hey,sounds good!😊
great ideas and songs, amazing tips; I only miss the reals drums on those songs though
Hi Nathan, love your content! I'm struggling to put my question into words, and I was hoping you could maybe even point me into the direction of one of your videos or help me articulate it better. I'm having trouble with arrangement in the way that I know that I want to build it and I have exactly what you show in this video going on in my own stuff, but I have such trouble choosing what instruments to choose, when, and what exactly they will do. I feel so limited, and often re-use the same things: an arpeggio to move the song, a hyponotic repeat of either chords or 1-piano note, a pad in the background for atmosphere - but all of my songs are sounding the same, and I have no idea how to develop the sense for what instruments to choose and what I should have them do in order to build and keep the interest. And it seems no matter what I google or youtube search, I'm having trouble finding the answer to how to make arrangement CHOICES, like the very specific instruments and parts they play.
Do you have either any advice or can you point me in the direction of a video of yours to help me with this? The furthest I've gotten is finding a video that mentioned that you want to have a balance of low medium and high pitches to fill out a song and make it sound balanced, but it didn't explain which instruments you should use, and how to know WHEN to use them. I'm going just a little bit crazy with this confusion, haha. Hope you can lend some advice!
Love your content, thank you for making it! Also loving the sound of this song, where can I stream it?? 😄
Where I can hear your songs, where you are struggling on it?
Hi, no one at home?
5:58 relatable moment
I feel like this is what music today lacks on
Nice
Hi Nathan, I agree with your steps and theory of Music Production. But I have to ask, What kind of Music is that you are demonstrating with? They sound like maybe Movie type soundtracks?
Coooool.... Thx ElectricEddie
Yoooooo the song its been released?
how much does cost you Mixing and Mastering for 3 minutes of music?
I don't take mixing clients. Only producing and to be honest most of the work I'm doing now is my own music and not for artists
@@NathanJamesLarsen Alright 🤝🤝
Nathen
Can i send you some music I did on pro x ,, the problem I have is there are Glitches and I just can't locate what its coming from and how to correct it without starting from scratch...ARGGG CAN YOU HELP PLEASE.
I just discover your stuff, the other video that I saw is one from 2 year ago where you took Jacob Collier as an exemple, it seems you have the same approach than him to build your songs and that’s super nice ahahah
Anyway, do you think you can use this concept of composition in metal/rock music ? Cause I got the feeling you’re not « allow » to get as creative as in some cinematic music production for example
Thanks for your great job and inspiration! 😉😉
Im curious about the lyrics
Hey Nathan. Did your Spotify get hacked or something? I ask because I got a notification that NJL released a new song, and it sounds nothing like your style. It's called Phatarium. If it was you then no problem. I'm just genuinely concerned it if it wasn't. Thanks for this great video.
I'll need to look into that cause that's definitely not me
@@NathanJamesLarsen I thought so. Glad I could help. Hope you can fix it.
U had a sound in the right side of the pones that sound like a car door openning
lol your computer cant handle it, that crackling noise was bad 😆😆😆
👍
Try to just arrange loops. Just doing that is harder than you'd think.
Not you Nathan but your followers. It's hard.
Exposition, Development, Recapitulation, Coda....... basic form in composition.
Reminds me of Batman
🖐🏻🖐🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
It's still midi with no heart or soul. You can try and make it 'interesting" but the right song, acapella, the right song, a voice and a single instrument with heart felt vocals and lyrics.. or you can just produce it to death to get interest..
good ! but speak too fast
Can you talk a bit slower in the intro thanks man
You can change playback speed to your liking. :)
Bad video, one reason stuff sounds really bland these days is because people think the B section should be made by arranging and you can just turn some different loops on or off. Instead of actually writing with a harmonic scheme that goes somewhere and does something innovative with the harmony necessitating a totally different B section with parts you can't just toggle. You don't reharmonize stuff just by toggling parts in an arrangement. Everyone keeps telling these idiotic arranging ideas to make a B section because they don't really know how to write or comprehend an entire song structure, they only know how to make loops and comprehend the one loop then toggle parts of it. So the stuff is always really tonally bland stuck in the same tonal center. Try writing a song like "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and imagine how that would have come out by just turning parts off and on like you are suggesting in this video. The whole thing would have been in the same key.
Ummm you're literally saying what I said in the video 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@NathanJamesLarsen No that's not what you said in the video. You didn't mention anything about harmony even once. You were saying to make things sound different sonically, not harmonically. You were saying the same typical thing as every noob, your video was entirely about arranging different textures and timbres, nothing about a harmonic structure.
I have to sadly agree with you. And I say sadly because Nathan seems like a great guy and he is a very good communicator with great skills and great videos. But when the main focus is on producing, you risk getting perfectly, amazingly produced music but soulless, which is what it seems to me is produced in the last times. Anyway, congrats for your videos, skills and personality, Nathan.
@@zyxyuv1650 Ah - I see your clarification.
Honestly it's too bad to see people rush to these conclusions specifically about me when this is ONE video and if you knew much about my compositional approach or background you would also know that I have a deep love and passion beyond producing.
I'm a composer at the core so utilization of varied harmony, voicing, etc. is something I get really excited about personally - this is one concept in the grand landscape of making music. So yeah I can't really cover every aspect of a topic in one video. Not really how content creation on RUclips works unfortunately.
But I do also disagree that this is essentially what makes music sound bad - there are lots of reasons music today doesn't sound great but I dont see sonic variation as one of them - I mean ... take one look at music history and you'd see that this concept was around LONG before music tech and producing. This idea of sonic variation has been around for centuries (or longer) - it's just composers didn't have as many optiions as we do today.
I’m bored I wish he did something fun modern hip hop r at least pop but this sounds like a backing track to random movie 🙁
😂😂