The difference between Titanic and a cemetery is that people can visit the cemetery. If it were me, I would prefer to be remembered through a respectful Museum display rather than forgotten forever.
You wouldn’t be forgotten. The fact that the story is OVERWHELMINGLY talked about means you wouldn’t ever be forgotten or lost in history! I think about a person that was cremated, and their ashes were scattered… Does that mean they were forgotten?
@@tedneb3459 Wrong! Now considering that there are 1,000’s of books, films, documentaries, stories, NOBODY would be forgotten when it comes to this! It sank decades before they brought this piece up and they weren’t forgotten before! Plus there was already a lot of items brought up previously, so this was pointless and unnecessary
what about when they opened up Jesuses grave no one said anything about that, people think that we jus have to know everything an for what, us to die one day an it not matter, wish people would jus live there life’s bc like wow you gonna spend all this time to get sum from history that we already know about i really don’t get the point of pulling stuff from historical sites bc again we’ve already learned about it what do you think 🤔
Bro, they don't realize the Titanic is disappearing. When the titanic is gone, future generations might not even believe it existed. I feel preserving these artifacts was a good way to preserve the Titanic
@@johnmatthew5888 you're referring to Halomonas titanicae, named after the great ship. They live inside icicle-like growths of rust, called "rusticles." These bacteria eat iron in the ship's hull and they will eventually consume the entire ship, recycling the nutrients into the ocean ecosystem.
Considering the fact that the wreck itself will soon dissapear forever, I'd love to see more of the artifacts from down there be preserved before it's too late.
@@catyes7632 people are complaining that they're disturbing a gravesite that's rotting away. Literal have a cake and eat it too. At this point the only way they're going to maintain a grave/memorial is to raise some of it to be preserved.
I was coming down here to say that this is a gravesite that should not be touched, but that’s a good point. I now think that it is okay to take parts from a site such as this, but not in a disrespectful manner (as in no for-profit salvage operations should be conducted)
In my opinion, it’s a good way of making sure the victims are never forgotten it’s also a good way to make sure history is never forgotten and we don’t make the same mistakes. history always has a way of repeating itself.
I think it was not a bad thing. They recovered artifacts that would have been lost forever. We don't want a conspiracy in the future that the Titanic never existed, so keeping it's memory alive is fine.
@@timdeathly There's not. There's more evidence of the story of the titanic happening in our existence than there is of our actual existence 🤣 there were hundreds and hundreds of survivors for one. Not to mention the thousands of family and friends who knew where their loved one were. It'll be fact for another 50 years.
i feel you, i was just at the museum in las vegas at a hotel and it hade a titanic museum, we went to go look at everything and there it was, the big piece, i got chills down my spine as i looked at it
I mean, it’s going to disintegrate completely by 2050, so if anything, we should be getting as much of the ship off the ocean floor as possible before we don’t have anymore of it left So overall, I agree with RMS Inc. and their decision to bring this piece to a museum, because by 2050, there won’t be anymore of the ship left to memorialize
@@johnv17v54I have been, and the previous person is correct. Imagine going to a 9/11 museum only for the gift shop to be full of toy planes and red slime. Have you been to the titanic museum? I doubt so
I went a couple years ago and there’s a tiny piece you can feel and it was incredible. I had goosebumps the whole time, if anything to me this is keeping titanic and it’s resting souls in memory and being able to tell their stories and share it with the world.
Agreed I remember hearing that the titanic will vanish in a 100 years or so. so preserving the ship and artifacts will keep ther story alive. Also we don't even know everything that was there and many things could be lost because they rotted away.
History of what? A commercial ship? Like a ferry? Or of luxury? Would you want a history of luxury? I suppose that is what history is, though. The story of exploitation and parasitism.
I touched it back in 2001 when it wad part of a something called the Titanic Artifact Exhibition in Seattle at that time I felt I coukf sense and hear screams from it. To this day I believe those screams came from the souls trapped within the steel and inside the iron. 🚢
@@Sniper_RXactually everyone says that but I don't think it's entirely true. Definitely it would break up, but some parts would still be able to make it to the surface if we did it now and not once it is decayed.
I think that the victims have had a lot of time to “rest” even tho they aren’t even living anymore and considering it’s gonna rot and decay in a few years we might as well preserve atleast some of it.
@@Owy. Are you a sensitive person in real life or just on the internet? Would it make you feel better if we destroyed everything in museums that have a connection to death? I would hate for history to offend you. I hope you don’t seriously think those people are celebrating death.
@@haydenkerns7237 ironically I'm super insensitive or even caring I just don't care enough about the past so yea finding people drowning fascinating makes me question why you would care about something you where never apart of it has no effect over you at all
Fr like if your gonna complain that your grandpa’s glove was on the titanic and shouldn’t be tampered with is like saying that you should just leave all the helmets of soldiers that were torn apart bye bombs just sitting there
@@daquonstevenson8119 Absolutely no big deal buddy, i bet no one can identify if something belonged to their great great grandparent. Somebody might come out saying it belongs to someone they knew just to make a quick buck off of the item. So might as well preserve them for historical purposes.
@@daquonstevenson8119 well buddy, they are preserving it for historical purposes, someone digging up someone’s already buried body is called grave robbing, and that’s a crime.
honestly, people that had lost their lives on the titanic sinking has already been honored in not only a movie, but in world, history and people are thinking of taking the entire titanic out of the water and honestly, I think that would be amazing for people that weren’t born or not even close to being born or maybe not even knowing about the titanic and now they know what happened all those years ago
It ensures something from that tragedy survives. Even when the wreck is gone we will still have something to see and remember the ship and the people who died on her.
I don’t think some people realize that the titanic is literally disappearing. And in the future, people would probably think that the titanic is a myth if there is no evidence. Obviously we should leave the ship there to rest in peace, but having some sort of artifacts from the titanic is ok to have if we don’t want people in the future to think that the titanic was a myth.
Same here. This isn’t a gravesite. Bodies are long decayed and drifted away. Idk why people romanticize a cold, dark, watery, death sight to be a grave.
Ik I wanna see the titanic but I don’t wanna risk my life and even if trying to lift it fails it might not matter that much because it will be gone in 20 years anyway I don’t wanna die knowing I’ve never seen something that I’ve been researching starting at the age of 10-11
I can't speak for anyone involved but personally, if a relative of mine passed away in a tragedy like this and some of their personal belongings were later taken to a museum for display, I would be happy that their memory can be shared for many generations.
hey geo I would be happy if any of my family members personal items for other people to learn about the tragic wreck of the titanic I wouldn't get mad at rms inc and I actually would be happy that there effort of trying to save the Big titanic ship I would love to learn how the history of ships were built
Totally worth it. The dead were real people and not just the cast of a tragic tale. Bringing back artifacts that belonged to the passengers tell a story.
Not to mention it serves as future evidence for when future conspiracy theorists claim the Titanic never existed. The wreckage is disappearing in the ocean.
@Boddan @FaQzzy meh, I've lost all hope in humanity so one can't really pin point what they're gonna do. They might come up with a whole new fucking gender for the relatives of people who died on the titanic you never know
Preservation is actually helping others see the artifacts. Since the wreckage site is literally disintegrating slowly over time, this is a way to save a part of history from being destroyed and possibly forgotten. I’ve actually had the opportunity to visit a Titanic showing of recovered artifacts and memorabilia- what a treasure! It was so neat to see it up close and it made the whole experience that much more real. ❤
I went to one here in oz, it was fascinating but also so sad. I swear I could feel the pain and souls that lost their lives. I am glad some items have been recovered, those poor souls and what occurred should never be forgotten.
@@rosean374 And it's called preserving history karen.If we never explored tombs and put the artifacts in museums. We wouldn't have learned that much about Egyptian and other cultures. Some fields of medicine and science were bit of a grey area before we got where we are. Though I do draw the line at personal belongings being auctioned off. As long as they treat the artifacts respectfully. We need to preserve as much as Titanic as possible. Before she disappears, forever. It would be sad and unfortunate to let the victim's memories just rot away.
@@OUTTA-TYME88 preserving history dummy was done since they took images in 1995. We know what the objects look like. The replica sister ship Olympic had the same stuff thats displayed un museums and exhibitions all over the world. This is just grave robbing for profit. Pure and simple. This is a GRAVEYARD. Its been disturbed ENOUGH!!!!!!!
When I was a kid I loved the titanic, when I got older I was told I had family on that ship, both that died and survived, I am happy they are bringing things up.
Seeing the actual artifacts allows you to connect with the tragedy and the people died. They removed, maintained and displayed the artifacts with the utmost respect and care.
I honestly think the piece of the ship is a good thing because the entire wreck itself is deteriorating incredibly fast and having that piece if it's taken care of properly, it'll last damn near forever
I have some mixed feelings. On one hand, I do think there should be some sort of artifacts raised, but overall, I think it should only be a very small percentage of the overall wreckage, as it is still a grave site
Fact: a piece of ice scraped a few engines causing them to stop working. All of the passengers thought it was just somebody working in the engine room, so the captains didn’t acknowledge it. They eventually realized that the ship was turning way more one way than the other. They tried to stop the ship from turning into the iceberg, but it was sadly too late…. RIP passengers 😢
Plenty of shipwrecks get (and are being) destroyed, the titanic is only different because of the cultural significance we’ve assigned to it. The period is well documented in other ways, there is more science to be learned in the bacteria eating the titanic then there is from the ship itself. I think we need to understand that as much as we love the titanic, the right thing to do is to let it decay. It’s a mass grave, and dredging it up for the purpose of profit is a ethical nightmare in terms of archaeology. A few things, sure, but the titanic is the most well documented ship wreck in human history, I doubt we really need physical pieces of it to learn any more about it. The videos of the submarines navigating across the deck and the images of the extremely detailed captains quarters will teach you more about it than some half rusted scrap of metal.
@@Aki-47. I disagree. It *became* a graveyard. The ppl who died there did not have the benefit of choosing which of their possessions to be interred with the way a person who is facing an expected death. Those gloves, those shoes they were the possessions of ppl whose death was unexpected, must've been terrifying & who had to have known their bodies would never be recovered. What if your grandmother had an item she particularly loved & wanted tobe buried with. What if 100 years later someone took that item from her grave & didn't ask you if it was okay? Didn't even ask you how you'd feel about them poking around your grandma's grave? Or maybe it should be okay to just poke into ppls graves after 100 years. Most of their family is dead anyway, right? Lastly, what possible historical or scientific value can those personal items contribute to further understand the ship, the culture, the ppl or the time? Nah, it's a graveyard. Unconventional but still a graveyard.
I think in literally a few years when it's completely gone, and there's nothing left, people will start to thank them for preserving an actual piece. .
I went to their exhibit and they had retrieved old perfume bottles which were displayed inside of a small plexiglass box with holes on the sides. Visitors can still smell the perfume to this day. I found that to be absolutely astonishing and mesmerizing too.
@@erikdiem8366 who gives a fuck if they make a bit of money on it? The piece is on display and will probably be around as a memorial longer than any other grave's granite slab.
@@totallynotacarrot4369 And what is your point with this comment?? If somebody took something from your great grandmothers grave their is no doubt you’d be pissed! There is no reason for them to take a piece of the ship like that. Enough shit from the wreck site has been brought up. Leave the shit alone, and let it be!!
_"Tampering with the Gravesite"_ they forgot to mention that said _"Gravesite"_ is slowly disappearing so I think it is better to preserve it out of the waters than allowing it to disappear
there is the idea that letting the ship go Naturally, is a more respectful treatment of the memory of so many lost lives. So many. We the public don't NEED anymore reminders. It's More important to the famalies.
“How dare you collect items from this major historical event! My grandmother’s uncle’s boss’s cousin’s friend died their. It’s a gravesite.” That’s what I hear. Ugh yes it’s a gravesite but would you rather it be left to rot and no one know? Or have some pieces preserved so people can actually know what happened?
People just want to be mad at something, imagine their faces when titanic lost forever and people start to say that it's not important anymore, but look at relics from other places, they're still remembered and cherished.
Right and apparently the titanic is slowly disappearing because of so many years in salt water. At least they can save something for future generations.
The memories of those people are already going to live on forever! Suppose somebody wanted to tamper with a gravesite of one of your relatives?! I’m sure you wouldn’t like that.
@@erikdiem8366 it's under the ocean, it's gonna rot away and it's LEGIT like a few old dollar bills, gloves and just random shit. And plus by that logic the whole ocean cannot be traveled at all because there are dead people down there.
@@Gizz101 Thetes already enough that’s been recovered. No more is needed! Besides… we don’t need to bring up more stuff just because people are too stupid to learn history! That’s not everyone else’s problem
"Tampering with a gravesite" ?! It's not like you'll be able to go down to the bottom of the ocean to commemorate your family. We should at least keep some artifacts not just to look at, but to study.
@@Caffeinated_Gorgon What does that matter? I have been multiple times. Most of my earlier ancestors are buried in Charleston, SC. Some fought in the Civil and Revolutionary Wars. One of my great greats was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, which I don't get to see much. It's meant alot to me to be able to go and not only visit their graves but also see some the very same places, sights, and things they did. It's invaluable. So, I'm not sure what your point is, but frequency of visits doesn't equal familial or historical importance.
@@joannaflowers5563 well your whole comment was having somewhere physical to commemorate their loved ones…I mean totally disregarding the memorial, the museum pieces, etc
@@Caffeinated_Gorgon I was merely mentioning it as another reason why I believe we should salvage as much of the Titanic as possible. For historical significance as well as familial significance. I'd hate to see all of that just decompose into nothing ag the bottom of the sea. To salvage would be to honor on multiple levels, in my opinion. I don't understand why my comment seems to have upset you.
the problem is that the water there causes it to break down much faster if i remember right in its current state its impossible to bring anything else up
I have mixed feelings. Yes it’s a grave site but also I can see why they salvaged things. History needs to be preserved and I agree we need to keep the memory of Titanic alive so the victims never be forgotten.
Yes we do need to salvage things. Maybe just small things bc in a decade or so the titanic will be gone. (I forgot how long you could probably look it up)
I don’t remember where I was living at the time, but years ago there was a jaw-dropping (and bone-chilling) IMAX movie of the actual Titanic wreck as the camera moved around it. The theater was full but it was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. Seeing the personal artifacts like shoes and wallets, China sets, and a child’s doll on the floor of the ocean. The experience was surreal and left you with your heart in your throat and an empty feeling in the pit of your stomach, to imagine what those poor people went through that night. I’ll never forget it.
i’ve been there, it was way bigger than i expected it to be. there was also a map of the titanic that showed you how big the piece is in scale of the whole ship and i was so surprised that it was so small in comparison
As a history major I think as long as they were respectful in doing so it's perfectly fine. We need that history and we need to preserve it so we can learn about it and understand their lives and storys.
So those gloves, shoes, and clothing were most likely on a body. The money came from a pocketbook, purse, or gentleman's wallet. Would you dig up a body and take those items out of a casket?
I've had a huge interest in the Titanic and the fact I got to get right up close to, for all intents and purposes, THE ACTUAL FREAKING SHIP was a dream come true for me
I’ve seen this exhibition, it was really interesting yet sad as well. I say save it cos it really brought some perspective about what happened to these poor souls 🙏🏻
I agree , interesting and sad , they didn't have enough life boats , the radius of the propeller didn't turn far enough to keep from hitting the ice burg , I seen the fantastic movie , with of course a sad ending , and after all ? Rose managed to be rescued , too bad for the love interest she had . Icy waters , i enjoyed the movie, but sometimes I wonder if should have never watched , not that it's bad , people in the bottom of the ship never survived. The point of the movie is what really happened.. after years of progress , they have built two ships so large , they made the Titanic look like a tug boat , one ? Called the Oasis , then another was built ? That is bigger than the Oasis , grest video clip , great movie of Titanic , Can you imagine being in a small ship and this Oasis was cruising by ? I remember a story many many years ago, about 2 or 3 people in a small boat , they were out in the Ocean, it was so foggy ? They couldn't see , later they could hear this noise very intense noise, going by them , it was loud and very long, A large cargo ship went by , thank goodness it didn't hit them , it would have sank and the ship mates never would have known the difference your comment, this video clip ?? 👍👍
Are they selling it on the blackmailed? No They are trying to make sure: 1. The myth is remembered as a reality. 2. Those lost are not forgotten. 3. Bring us closer in awe and respect to those lost that night and the mighty machine, which lost the fight to save its passengers. 4. To highlight the heroism practiced that night, and inspire it in others. This was good.
I went to the Titanic Exhibit before and it was amazing. They did a great job of honoring the people and it really was like a museum. Unlike those three women in that last photo, I didn’t take pictures in front of the artifacts like I was at a circus show. It was fascinating but REALLY sad to see it all in person. Weird to see people act like that in what is essentially a memorial site.
My son and I went to the exhibit in St Paul Minnesota. Do you remember how the room changed, almost an atmospheric change, where the personal items were on display? Just a feeling of deep pathos.
@RenaeJo There are so many Titanic museums, the one in Branson Missouri. The building looks like the ship and it has an iceberg! Look it up! You can also get to touch water 💧 that's as cold as it was the night 🌙 it sank. You also get a ticket 🎟 when you enter, and at the end it tells you if your passenger survived! 🚢⚓️
Yes and I’d say the same principle applies to preserving statues of confederate generals and other personalities some would consider offensive or inappropriate in public spaces these days. Even if those statues are deemed inappropriate to continue as monuments in public areas, they should still be preserved and exhibited in museums so we don’t lose important perspectives from past times.
@somni I mean it’s not really being greedy.. it’s taking what would’ve been offered in exchange for a part of the wreck. It’s not like it’s a body part
Every time there is a dive down to the Titanic, more and more of it is gone. It's estimated that, if it continues to decompose at the same rate, it will be completely gone by 2030. I remember pictures of the Titanic in late in 2010, showing the Captain's bathtub, portholes, and the bow. They're all gone now. I don't see a point in not salvaging anything from the ship. It's been over 110 years at this point- there is no one alive today that lost anyone they loved on that tragic night.
Wether or not people that lived during it are still alive, a grave is a grave. The titanic isn’t actually that important, we just think of it as important because of the cultural response to its sinking and the story of it being passed down. Plenty of ships have sunk to the bottom of the ocean with people on board and almost all of them completely disappeared without us noticing. It was tragedy, and a large one at that, but just because we’ve made it a cultural phenomenon doesn’t mean a corporation deserves to profit off of that tragedy. Especially one named after the same corporation that built the ship, advertised it as unsinkable when it clearly was not, and didn’t provide enough life boats out of pure hubris, leading to hundreds of preventable deaths.
@@Oli.V valid but the ship was important, it was huge for this time and was something very important to industrialization. there would’ve been press anyways, ships at this time weren’t noticed when they sunk because it was very early 1900s. im sure that it helped with improvements moving forward in ships. yes it is a grave but its also important because of the industrialization improvements moving forwards. the relatives should be able to choose what happens with the remains of belongings but it’d be difficult to do that, it’s history no matter what. things were also kept from wars where people died and thats not different from this.
@@Oli.V what...? The ship that excavated the titanic (the one discussed in the video) isn't named after the company that made the Titanic. It has nothing to do with them. Did you think that because the name started with "RMS"? The company that made Titanic was the White Star Line, and the ship was named RMS Titanic. "RMS" had nothing to do with the company though, it just stands for "Royal Mail Ship" - it's just a distinction on the type of ship. It has nothing to do with the company 🙄🤦🏼♀️
It doesn’t matter, if I learned that my ancestors graves were being sold for profit I’d be upset, even if I didn’t know anything about their deaths. They’re people, and graves are incredibly important to a lot of people, no matter if they know every detail of the individual and their deaths, or their connection to them,
I think it’s fine because they seemed to preserve it fine and at this moment the titanic is disintegrating so this could be the only things left from such a amazing artifact
I got to go to a Titanic museum as a kid on vacation with my grandparents in Houston in the early 2000s. This was by far the coolest piece I got to see there, a little eerie thinking back to it. My heart goes out to the families, but I still don't think it's Just to let the history and tragedy of the ship wither away completely in the crushing dark depths of the ocean.
In Melbourne they had the titanic expo with that same peice and seeing the rivet bolts and reading how heavy that one peice was amazing, we all got given a ticket as someone on the ship at the end we look at the who lived and died and see if you made it. I was a black man the only black man in second class with my family to start a new business in new York both me and the wife died the son survived and ended up making that business 14 years later
It can be said about any gravesite for that matter, whether it's an Egyptian tomb or bog graves. We have to know about the past. And, of course, we have to remember. The best way to remember is to see with our own eyes and be able to "touch" the history. As a culture expert graduate, I will say that we need this kind of expeditions. Firstly, they preserve what little is left. Secondly, they preserve the memory and educate people. Thirdly, they are being very respectful to the victims.
@@crf80fdarkdays I'm really trying here lmao 🤣 so let me get this straight what yours saying is if i had any family die in a event that's been recorded in history I'm owed those artifacts if ever collected
@@1000-THR lmao i had family die in WW2 they have large events selling WW2 artifacts i don't feel disrespected i lost family in the Korean war and Vietnam war still don't feel disrespected when they sell items from those wars i have a lot of dead family and friends in some played a part in days that will go down in history hahahaha you must have really extremely fragile feelings if you think like that idk I'd tell you to grow up but something tells me your just clearly not all there to be mature enough about things
I'm glad they were able to bring all those artifacts to the surface for all to see. Along with all the glass enclosed displays, I saw that piece of the ship in person, and got to hear and see the original steam whistle blow the one and only time in public since it was removed from the Titanic . It will never be blown again. That was in St Paul , MN when the Titanic exhibit came to town It was truly a once in a lifetime experience my 3 sons and wife will never forget !!
Considering it was a grave site for many people they shouldn’t have removed those peoples belongings without the permission of the family members,that’s just wrong even if it is for good reason
I feel like this is a really important piece of history. The titanic is currently being torn down by natural bacteria in the ocean and it is impossible to take the whole ship away. I feel like a small piece of the Titanic should be for the world to see. At the same time, the titanic was a horrible accident and I feel like if this piece continues to be up, people should treat it with respect, not some fun tourist attraction. For example, museums that own pieces of the Berlin Wall use it as a way to remember history and the tragic story behind it. No one is dancing and going crazy when they see it. More of a memorial. I would expect people treat artifacts from the titanic the same too, big or small. (Side note: I’m using the Berlin Wall as a reference. I know both were very extreme and tragic events. Please know I’m not trying to call the same, each are very different and I respect both of them equally. This is only my opinion and it’s 100% fine if you don’t agree. Everyone has different opinions and we are all able to share that.)
I have been to Auschwitz, Dachau and Berlin. Trust me there are stupid people taking smiling selfish selfies effing anywhere. No matter how disrespectful!!
Yeah I 1000% agree. Articles of clothing is just taking it too far. Maybe other artifacts such as piece of the ship itself, dishware, that kind of stuff is fine. But displaying the clothing just feels deeply wrong. Also the items are perfectly preserved where they are. They are far more likely to damage and permanently destroy the items bringing them out of the cold water and exposing them to oxygen and air. The items are safer if they stay where they are. Especially items made of organic material such as clothing and shoes.
@@Cryptic-v7h it was her dad who chose to publish it, and she wanted a published book. This is being done without the permission of the relatives and victims
People, may think that are out of line, but just remember when the ship is completely gone and that’s all we have left to remember all those people. It’s hard to look at the ocean and remember a great tragedy when you can’t see anything of it, I think what they did, was valuable and worth it.
Considering it's literally decaying into nothing I think its valid to keep at least some memorabilia.
Completely agree
I would say that personal items should have stayed
@@nomadicsquirrel6050 I agree with that also
@@nomadicsquirrel6050 just bring up pieces to study later on but leave personal Items.
Your grandma's bones are doing the same thing, should we go take her up?
The difference between Titanic and a cemetery is that people can visit the cemetery. If it were me, I would prefer to be remembered through a respectful Museum display rather than forgotten forever.
I 100 percent agree
You wouldn’t be forgotten. The fact that the story is OVERWHELMINGLY talked about means you wouldn’t ever be forgotten or lost in history! I think about a person that was cremated, and their ashes were scattered… Does that mean they were forgotten?
@@erikdiem8366 Usually, yes.
@@tedneb3459 Wrong! Now considering that there are 1,000’s of books, films, documentaries, stories, NOBODY would be forgotten when it comes to this! It sank decades before they brought this piece up and they weren’t forgotten before! Plus there was already a lot of items brought up previously, so this was pointless and unnecessary
Exactly
The only difference between this and archaeologists digging up ancient burial sites is a couple thousand years
I think you mean a couple million years
@@jacquestessier100 no, couple of thousand.
Couple of million is paleontologist.
what about when they opened up Jesuses grave no one said anything about that, people think that we jus have to know everything an for what, us to die one day an it not matter, wish people would jus live there life’s bc like wow you gonna spend all this time to get sum from history that we already know about i really don’t get the point of pulling stuff from historical sites bc again we’ve already learned about it what do you think 🤔
@@BradenSlayer please try what you're trying to say again. Use punctuation.
@@BradenSlayer stay in school please...
Bro, they don't realize the Titanic is disappearing. When the titanic is gone, future generations might not even believe it existed. I feel preserving these artifacts was a good way to preserve the Titanic
Current generations don't believe in it already...
Yep.
I agree
EXACTLY
@PacmanBrunnerincorrect “Joseph laroche” along with his wife and 2 kids and some of the crew were of african descent. Go home buddy
If it were my relatives, id want to see as much stuff as they could bring up. It's an important piece of history and should be conserved at all costs.
I think I fucked somewhere that the titanic is quickly disappearing so yeah, I have to agree with what the company’s doing.
I would also agree because the as time goes on, the ship is being eroded so it’s a good idea to bring parts of it back to the surface
@@johnmatthew5888 you're referring to Halomonas titanicae, named after the great ship. They live inside icicle-like growths of rust, called "rusticles." These bacteria eat iron in the ship's hull and they will eventually consume the entire ship, recycling the nutrients into the ocean ecosystem.
Facts
Agreed
Considering the fact that the wreck itself will soon dissapear forever, I'd love to see more of the artifacts from down there be preserved before it's too late.
That scary on it own
Maybe it's just best to let it rest and decay
@@catyes7632 people are complaining that they're disturbing a gravesite that's rotting away. Literal have a cake and eat it too. At this point the only way they're going to maintain a grave/memorial is to raise some of it to be preserved.
@@catyes7632 you saying basically to let history die so some random group can denied it. Because with no “proof” that what will happen.
@@catyes7632 but we need to keep some part or else there are gonna be future generations questioning it's existence
If folks are going to complain about this, then ALL MUSEUMS need to be closed! No more tombs, no more paintings, bones, etc.
Agreed
Thats what im saying
I was coming down here to say that this is a gravesite that should not be touched, but that’s a good point. I now think that it is okay to take parts from a site such as this, but not in a disrespectful manner (as in no for-profit salvage operations should be conducted)
Correct
Which is exactly why museums are returning artifacts to the originating peoples.they should ever have been taken in the first place.
In my opinion, it’s a good way of making sure the victims are never forgotten it’s also a good way to make sure history is never forgotten and we don’t make the same mistakes. history always has a way of repeating itself.
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@@gourmetmasters910yes?
I agree
Costa Concordia 100 years later….
Those who forget about the past, are doomed to repeat it
I think it was not a bad thing. They recovered artifacts that would have been lost forever. We don't want a conspiracy in the future that the Titanic never existed, so keeping it's memory alive is fine.
There is already such a conspiracy.
@@timdeathly There's not. There's more evidence of the story of the titanic happening in our existence than there is of our actual existence 🤣 there were hundreds and hundreds of survivors for one. Not to mention the thousands of family and friends who knew where their loved one were. It'll be fact for another 50 years.
@@timdeathly there is not, get your head out your ass , I can already smell your ego-based reply
The fact that there's already a conspiracy about Titanic not existing 💀
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Honestly, standing in the same room as that piece would send chills down my spine
i feel you, i was just at the museum in las vegas at a hotel and it hade a titanic museum, we went to go look at everything and there it was, the big piece, i got chills down my spine as i looked at it
@@dwoht.swifte13i want to go to one do u know which museum is the best
@@emiliejenkins9225no sorry i don’t! but if you want to see the big piece then i would recommend the one in las vegas it’s in a hotel.
I mean, it’s going to disintegrate completely by 2050, so if anything, we should be getting as much of the ship off the ocean floor as possible before we don’t have anymore of it left
So overall, I agree with RMS Inc. and their decision to bring this piece to a museum, because by 2050, there won’t be anymore of the ship left to memorialize
I did and I swear I felt someone looking down at me through the porthole
The way the Titanic exhibition is done is incredibly respectful. The emotion you feel when you walk into the room with the “big piece” is crazy.
Don’t they have a gift shop with ice berg slime😂 that don’t sound so respectable
@@johnv17v54have you ever been?
@@johnv17v54I have been, and the previous person is correct. Imagine going to a 9/11 museum only for the gift shop to be full of toy planes and red slime. Have you been to the titanic museum? I doubt so
@@majaquinn I think u mentioned the wrong person but what u said is right
@@johnv17v54nope she tagged the right one
I went a couple years ago and there’s a tiny piece you can feel and it was incredible. I had goosebumps the whole time, if anything to me this is keeping titanic and it’s resting souls in memory and being able to tell their stories and share it with the world.
"Tampering with a gravesite"
Every other museum: (casually walks away)
Literally any exhibition on Egyptian mummies ever 🤣
@@cbf2thinkaname dinosaurs to
NOOOO YOU CAN ONLY DISPLAY STIFF FROM LIVING PEOPLE
@@fusionreactor7179 why they fuck they got mummy’s then u bot
The britsh museum about to unlock the gold skin from stealing their 1000000th item: 👀
The whole damn ocean is a gravesite.
IKR
Wait until you see a map of German sunk subs and Jaoanese sunk vessels
edit: thanks for the correction, i won't edit it as it's not necessary this way
Great point
😅😂
RIGHT!
The preservation of these artifacts is the way this story will live on through history.
Agreed
Agreed I remember hearing that the titanic will vanish in a 100 years or so. so preserving the ship and artifacts will keep ther story alive. Also we don't even know everything that was there and many things could be lost because they rotted away.
Go tell that to any museum
Books for history not profits
@@ccmyharley That quote makes no sense as books are for profit.
This isn’t salvaging a gravesite… this is retreaving an artifact from history.
Nah mate they’re totally right for this they Definitely need to preserve artifacts from the titanic to teach history and shit
History of what? A commercial ship? Like a ferry? Or of luxury? Would you want a history of luxury? I suppose that is what history is, though. The story of exploitation and parasitism.
@@lucykelly7152 bro when the titanic hit the iceberg most people died AND THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
@@lucykelly7152 Bro it was like a big disaster
@@suntzu4545 no shit
@@Hulksmashbigman you dont even get what they were trying to say do you
I would love to see it for as long as possible before it goes
It’s in Vegas at the Luxor
It’s awesome took my parent there you gotta see it
I touched it back in 2001 when it wad part of a something called the Titanic Artifact Exhibition in Seattle at that time I felt I coukf sense and hear screams from it. To this day I believe those screams came from the souls trapped within the steel and inside the iron. 🚢
@@saradostal3076 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
20 years mac
It deserves to be raised and analyzed and appreciated by others
What you mean by raised ?
@@cryptobangbang5532 brought back up somehow
@@scarletking115It would fall apart if we tried to raise it. sad face
@@Sniper_RX i know but i mean somehow
@@Sniper_RXactually everyone says that but I don't think it's entirely true. Definitely it would break up, but some parts would still be able to make it to the surface if we did it now and not once it is decayed.
I think that the victims have had a lot of time to “rest” even tho they aren’t even living anymore and considering it’s gonna rot and decay in a few years we might as well preserve atleast some of it.
its absolutely worth it, we cant let this fascinating piece of human history be forgotten in time
How is people drowning fascinating?
@@Owy. it just is
@@Owy. people die boo hoo. It's still a piece of history. It's like saying enjoying artifacts from WW2 means you support the Holocaust.
@@Owy. Are you a sensitive person in real life or just on the internet? Would it make you feel better if we destroyed everything in museums that have a connection to death? I would hate for history to offend you. I hope you don’t seriously think those people are celebrating death.
@@haydenkerns7237 ironically I'm super insensitive or even caring I just don't care enough about the past so yea finding people drowning fascinating makes me question why you would care about something you where never apart of it has no effect over you at all
Tbh it’s like putting historic artifacts of the war on display. I dont see the problem
Yeah exactly well put
Fr like if your gonna complain that your grandpa’s glove was on the titanic and shouldn’t be tampered with is like saying that you should just leave all the helmets of soldiers that were torn apart bye bombs just sitting there
@@daquonstevenson8119 get off your period dude
@@daquonstevenson8119
Absolutely no big deal buddy,
i bet no one can identify if something belonged to their great great grandparent. Somebody might come out saying it belongs to someone they knew just to make a quick buck off of the item. So might as well preserve them for historical purposes.
@@daquonstevenson8119 well buddy, they are preserving it for historical purposes, someone digging up someone’s already buried body is called grave robbing, and that’s a crime.
It’s disappearing so I’m glad they’re preserving it. The artifacts Recovered helps tell the story.
honestly, people that had lost their lives on the titanic sinking has already been honored in not only a movie, but in world, history and people are thinking of taking the entire titanic out of the water and honestly, I think that would be amazing for people that weren’t born or not even close to being born or maybe not even knowing about the titanic and now they know what happened all those years ago
As painful as history can be, if we don't learn from it, it tends to repeat itself. 😢
Arrogance and hubris caused the tragedy. That's the only lesson to be learned.
It has and it will continue to repeat itself, even with something to remind us it’s in human nature.
@@justinwillingale2086 you are not wrong...😓
Yeah but despite the titanic being in recent memory, the Titian sub still happened so I think we’re just doomed
That’s the phrase you use after 1 history class
It ensures something from that tragedy survives. Even when the wreck is gone we will still have something to see and remember the ship and the people who died on her.
*it not her
@@R2-D2... Ships are her.
@@crazyguy_1233 ok thx didn't know sorry
@@R2-D2... That's ok. Ships since forever ago have been called her probably because old ships used to have female figure heads on the bow.
Better in a museum than decaying in the ocean
That’s what I was thinking
You made a very good point
No
@@MattFromWiiSportsAndWiiPartyman its freaking the titanic pieces
@@lillian17892 so when you die would you like Someone taking a piece of your tombstone and put in behind glass in a box
I don’t think some people realize that the titanic is literally disappearing. And in the future, people would probably think that the titanic is a myth if there is no evidence. Obviously we should leave the ship there to rest in peace, but having some sort of artifacts from the titanic is ok to have if we don’t want people in the future to think that the titanic was a myth.
By retrieving you can make sure you’re never forgotten. If I would’ve died in that ship I’d love them to raise that whole damn thing!
Same here. This isn’t a gravesite. Bodies are long decayed and drifted away. Idk why people romanticize a cold, dark, watery, death sight to be a grave.
Ik I wanna see the titanic but I don’t wanna risk my life and even if trying to lift it fails it might not matter that much because it will be gone in 20 years anyway I don’t wanna die knowing I’ve never seen something that I’ve been researching starting at the age of 10-11
Okay but that’s your opinion… if I was on the ship I wouldn’t want them to do that.. so why should they do what you want?
I’m glad they did it-- I don’t hear people bellyaching about Egyptian artifacts from the pharaohs graves
What was forgotten
I can't speak for anyone involved but personally, if a relative of mine passed away in a tragedy like this and some of their personal belongings were later taken to a museum for display, I would be happy that their memory can be shared for many generations.
hey geo I would be happy if any of my family members personal items for other people to learn about the tragic wreck of the titanic I wouldn't get mad at rms inc and I actually would be happy that there effort of trying to save the Big titanic ship I would love to learn how the history of ships were built
Totally worth it. The dead were real people and not just the cast of a tragic tale. Bringing back artifacts that belonged to the passengers tell a story.
Not to mention it serves as future evidence for when future conspiracy theorists claim the Titanic never existed. The wreckage is disappearing in the ocean.
True
Surely being able to see the past by salvage companies bring them to the surface is a good way to honour the dead
Keeping artifacts lets these things live on forever in history.
That's the only way we can learn from are mistakes through out history.
@@hannable3871 yea don't drive into icebergs! Big life lesson.
@@waspshower
It really wasn’t that simple
Whats special about Those artifacts, from what i know Notting. This is not okay they are most defently tamperig with the grave site
Yeah it was a bit more complex then that, but we don't need to keep around pieces of the Titanic to remember how to build a boat correctly
"tampering with the gravesite" my arse, what they gonna do after the entire titanic corrodes away? blame the ocean?
they're not gonna blame anyone
They're not going to blame anyone or anything. I pretty sure they would rather have it fade away.
@Boddan @FaQzzy meh, I've lost all hope in humanity so one can't really pin point what they're gonna do. They might come up with a whole new fucking gender for the relatives of people who died on the titanic you never know
Average twitter user be like
@@NotAriieFluffie fatherless behavior
Preservation is actually helping others see the artifacts. Since the wreckage site is literally disintegrating slowly over time, this is a way to save a part of history from being destroyed and possibly forgotten. I’ve actually had the opportunity to visit a Titanic showing of recovered artifacts and memorabilia- what a treasure! It was so neat to see it up close and it made the whole experience that much more real. ❤
I went to one here in oz, it was fascinating but also so sad. I swear I could feel the pain and souls that lost their lives. I am glad some items have been recovered, those poor souls and what occurred should never be forgotten.
Artifacts? Or just grave robbing for the benefit of gawkers and to make $$ Just disgusting
I think what's more disrespectful is taking pictures in front of the big piece or artifacts and making a silly pose that's just morbid
@@rosean374 And it's called preserving history karen.If we never explored tombs and put the artifacts in museums.
We wouldn't have learned that much about Egyptian and other cultures. Some fields of medicine and science were bit of a grey area before we got where we are. Though I do draw the line at personal belongings being auctioned off. As long as they treat the artifacts respectfully. We need to preserve as much as Titanic as possible. Before she disappears, forever. It would be sad and unfortunate to let the victim's memories just rot away.
@@OUTTA-TYME88 preserving history dummy was done since they took images in 1995. We know what the objects look like. The replica sister ship Olympic had the same stuff thats displayed un museums and exhibitions all over the world. This is just grave robbing for profit. Pure and simple. This is a GRAVEYARD. Its been disturbed ENOUGH!!!!!!!
Only a small chunk is worth it letting the tragedy of the Titanic be forgotten is like letting 9/11 be forgotten
I think it’s a good thing. It keeps the Titanic and its passengers’ memory alive. While educating the younger generations on the tragedy.
What are you to let it rot? I think they should bring as much as they can up at least pay homage to the dead.
I completely agree.
“Tampering with a grave site” please your gravesite is gonna be a rust stain in a few years
That’s deep😭💀
@@Rvng.10 literally
It’s still a gravesite even when things are gone because they weren’t moved from there
that's the point
I'M SCREAMING 😭-
When I was a kid I loved the titanic, when I got older I was told I had family on that ship, both that died and survived, I am happy they are bringing things up.
cool
Dope!!
So you rich ?
@@tomjones6297 hundreds of poor people worked on the titanic
@@baconatoromg6062 this is true, I was just being silly lol
Seeing the actual artifacts allows you to connect with the tragedy and the people died. They removed, maintained and displayed the artifacts with the utmost respect and care.
People would forget over time as it is literally decaying, a couple of remembrances from our past are needed
Agreed
Noone will ever forget writen history and that is exactly what it is
@@samroberts3905 we forgot about it if not for Cameron making Leo shout I’m the king of the world.
It is a gravesite
@@samroberts3905 people forget written history all the time, I bet you didn’t know the last china before the CCP
It's a good thing they raised the piece because it's now a memorial item of the Titanic
It's necessary to remind every generation to never forget or become complacent
WORTH IT TEAM
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I honestly think the piece of the ship is a good thing because the entire wreck itself is deteriorating incredibly fast and having that piece if it's taken care of properly, it'll last damn near forever
Some few artifacts are a good way to preserve something from being just history.
This I agree we all know that the Titanic is disappearing in a few decades
I get it but raising 5000 artifacts is a bit much
@@Domo-fi1db they diddnt choose how many artifacts they brought up
@@namjoonie936 well if you pulled different things from the wreckage out of the water 5000 times, at that point you are choosing to do so
I think they should try to get as much as possible and possibly return stuff to family’s or put them in museum
I have some mixed feelings. On one hand, I do think there should be some sort of artifacts raised, but overall, I think it should only be a very small percentage of the overall wreckage, as it is still a grave site
Exactly 100%
Omg that is exactly how I feel thank you for posting that
Yeah... It's basically grave robbing but it's a good thing for the world so it's just a wtf moment
Not just that, but a lot of sunken ships are now home to coral and fish
@@grapedalfthegrape Any idea what archealogists do?
Fact: a piece of ice scraped a few engines causing them to stop working. All of the passengers thought it was just somebody working in the engine room, so the captains didn’t acknowledge it. They eventually realized that the ship was turning way more one way than the other. They tried to stop the ship from turning into the iceberg, but it was sadly too late…. RIP passengers 😢
It then slowly tilted to the left due to the water-log, and split into two half’s
@@Htw6048yes it is the most famous part but yet I forgot about it :( mb
@@DaDingusDudenot a very fun fact.
It's not fun, and as far as I'm aware, this has not been proven as a fact.
It’s slowly decaying. In the next 20-30 years titanic will mostly be gone. I think we need to raise as much things.
Plenty of shipwrecks get (and are being) destroyed, the titanic is only different because of the cultural significance we’ve assigned to it. The period is well documented in other ways, there is more science to be learned in the bacteria eating the titanic then there is from the ship itself. I think we need to understand that as much as we love the titanic, the right thing to do is to let it decay. It’s a mass grave, and dredging it up for the purpose of profit is a ethical nightmare in terms of archaeology. A few things, sure, but the titanic is the most well documented ship wreck in human history, I doubt we really need physical pieces of it to learn any more about it. The videos of the submarines navigating across the deck and the images of the extremely detailed captains quarters will teach you more about it than some half rusted scrap of metal.
@@Oli.V stop spamming. It's a part of history and a testament of our ingenuity it's a ship not a graveyard the people just wanted a cut of the money.
@@Aki-47. I disagree. It *became* a graveyard. The ppl who died there did not have the benefit of choosing which of their possessions to be interred with the way a person who is facing an expected death. Those gloves, those shoes they were the possessions of ppl whose death was unexpected, must've been terrifying & who had to have known their bodies would never be recovered. What if your grandmother had an item she particularly loved & wanted tobe buried with. What if 100 years later someone took that item from her grave & didn't ask you if it was okay? Didn't even ask you how you'd feel about them poking around your grandma's grave? Or maybe it should be okay to just poke into ppls graves after 100 years. Most of their family is dead anyway, right?
Lastly, what possible historical or scientific value can those personal items contribute to further understand the ship, the culture, the ppl or the time? Nah, it's a graveyard. Unconventional but still a graveyard.
@@selenepickins4874 the artifacts would be worthless if it wasn't a part of the titanic
@@selenepickins4874 and isn't a graveyard
I think in literally a few years when it's completely gone, and there's nothing left, people will start to thank them for preserving an actual piece. .
Agreed!
In maybe 30 years the deck would be gone but the bottom of the ship where the black part of the ship was will last for a few hundred years
Preserving history is ensuring that the victims will always be remembered. Respectfully, I don’t believe that any remains still exist.
Agreed, currents would probably have taken anything not locked down
@@Fire-ve8to anything else would have been eaten by now
It would be terrible to lose the entire ship itself, as it would have been had RMS not taken a piece to preserve.
It's still there being eaten away by bacteria
There are still remains in the rooms. Trapped people still there.
TBH because Titanic is dissolving or something like that having artifacts and pieces before it disappears is preparing for the future if you ask me.
I went to their exhibit and they had retrieved old perfume bottles which were displayed inside of a small plexiglass box with holes on the sides. Visitors can still smell the perfume to this day. I found that to be absolutely astonishing and mesmerizing too.
You're telling me I can smell roses perfume in the museum?! Hollywood really outdoing themselves with this one
@@isjjcjw Once it’s in your nostrils, it never lets go… unlike some aforementioned people!#ThereWasRoomForOneMoreOnThatDoor
#JusticeForJack
@@paraglidingprospector 😂😂😂 too funny lol
@@paraglidingprospector I'm dying!! That was hilarious!!! 🤣😂🤣🤪🤯👌👏👏👏👏
Agree. Intoxicating fragrance.
"Tampering with a gravesite."
The ocean: 😶
You can’t fight, mother nature… But you can fight selfishness
@@erikdiem8366 who gives a fuck if they make a bit of money on it? The piece is on display and will probably be around as a memorial longer than any other grave's granite slab.
@@totallynotacarrot4369 And what is your point with this comment?? If somebody took something from your great grandmothers grave their is no doubt you’d be pissed! There is no reason for them to take a piece of the ship like that. Enough shit from the wreck site has been brought up. Leave the shit alone, and let it be!!
@@erikdiem8366 I didn't bury my fuckin grandmother where she fuckin died you troglodyte.
@@erikdiem8366everyone needs money especially for managing a muesem
_"Tampering with the Gravesite"_
they forgot to mention that said _"Gravesite"_ is slowly disappearing so I think it is better to preserve it out of the waters than allowing it to disappear
152 with no replies? I'll fix that!
Here's another comment for ya
@@ackage back in the basement
there is the idea that letting the ship go Naturally, is a more respectful treatment of the memory of so many lost lives. So many. We the public don't NEED anymore reminders. It's More important to the famalies.
Yes
Not at all! 👏 👏 😊
Im glad and happy they did this! And i want to see that piece for myself 1 day
This is one of the biggest historical events in history. Thats like saying we shouldnt retrieve civil war items
“How dare you collect items from this major historical event! My grandmother’s uncle’s boss’s cousin’s friend died their. It’s a gravesite.” That’s what I hear. Ugh yes it’s a gravesite but would you rather it be left to rot and no one know? Or have some pieces preserved so people can actually know what happened?
civil war? I don't recall there being ship fought battles but then again I'm not too sure
People just want to be mad at something, imagine their faces when titanic lost forever and people start to say that it's not important anymore, but look at relics from other places, they're still remembered and cherished.
@@dawniebug784 nah the battle of Hampton Roads was a Naval battle between two ironclads
@@dawniebug784 there were some, mostly in the Louisiana river iirc, ironclads were a new development at the time
If it were my relatives, I would be thrilled to dee something that may have belonged to them. Literally touching a piece of history
It would still be disturbing the dead.
@@lucykelly7152 oh! You mean like what they did with the pyramids in Egypt! They desecrated SOOOO many tombs.
Agree with you
@@lucykelly7152 how though? they’re dead. they shouldn’t have any ties to earth if there’s even an afterlife. that just makes no sense
@@therealopaartist Hey we should go eat some mummies
-The british
if it was gold to be shared among relatives, they wouldnt care lol
Facts
Exactly
But its not
But it isn’t so I don’t understand what you’re getting at
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Seeing that piece rise from the depths after being down there for 80+ years gives me a really eerie feeling
I believe that it’s worth it to save what we can, so that we can preserve what happened and the memories of those loved ones.
Right and apparently the titanic is slowly disappearing because of so many years in salt water. At least they can save something for future generations.
The memories of those people are already going to live on forever! Suppose somebody wanted to tamper with a gravesite of one of your relatives?! I’m sure you wouldn’t like that.
@@erikdiem8366 it's under the ocean, it's gonna rot away and it's LEGIT like a few old dollar bills, gloves and just random shit. And plus by that logic the whole ocean cannot be traveled at all because there are dead people down there.
@@erikdiem8366we must keep pieces or idiots will think it never existed
@@Gizz101 Thetes already enough that’s been recovered. No more is needed! Besides… we don’t need to bring up more stuff just because people are too stupid to learn history! That’s not everyone else’s problem
"Tampering with a gravesite" ?! It's not like you'll be able to go down to the bottom of the ocean to commemorate your family. We should at least keep some artifacts not just to look at, but to study.
And the families would actually have something physical to go and actaully see to commemorate their loved ones. I'm with you!
@@joannaflowers5563 how often do you visit the grave of your great great grandfather
@@Caffeinated_Gorgon What does that matter? I have been multiple times. Most of my earlier ancestors are buried in Charleston, SC. Some fought in the Civil and Revolutionary Wars. One of my great greats was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, which I don't get to see much. It's meant alot to me to be able to go and not only visit their graves but also see some the very same places, sights, and things they did. It's invaluable. So, I'm not sure what your point is, but frequency of visits doesn't equal familial or historical importance.
@@joannaflowers5563 well your whole comment was having somewhere physical to commemorate their loved ones…I mean totally disregarding the memorial, the museum pieces, etc
@@Caffeinated_Gorgon I was merely mentioning it as another reason why I believe we should salvage as much of the Titanic as possible. For historical significance as well as familial significance. I'd hate to see all of that just decompose into nothing ag the bottom of the sea. To salvage would be to honor on multiple levels, in my opinion. I don't understand why my comment seems to have upset you.
I had family on the titanic too, but "tampering with the grave sight" is out of line; It's literally decaying as we speak.
Three words King Tut's tomb.
Sure you had a family on titanic which was over 100 years ago, kids these days and there make believe
Everything ever created is literally decaying as we speak.
Totally worth it. Those relatives need some real problems.
It was good they brought up that piece. We should save and bring up as much as possible.
the problem is that the water there causes it to break down much faster
if i remember right in its current state its impossible to bring anything else up
It’s keeping the memory alive. The people who perished are still being remembered to this day over 100 years later because of this.
Bruh no comment and alot of likes
@@JhefkingTabudlongfr
I have mixed feelings. Yes it’s a grave site but also I can see why they salvaged things.
History needs to be preserved and I agree we need to keep the memory of Titanic alive so the victims never be forgotten.
I agree
I don’t think that the victims will care :)
Well good job. Yes its a grave but it about time. Water can destroy the metal making weak and flaky eventually in the future there will be no titanic
Yes we do need to salvage things. Maybe just small things bc in a decade or so the titanic will be gone. (I forgot how long you could probably look it up)
I don’t remember where I was living at the time, but years ago there was a jaw-dropping (and bone-chilling) IMAX movie of the actual Titanic wreck as the camera moved around it. The theater was full but it was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. Seeing the personal artifacts like shoes and wallets, China sets, and a child’s doll on the floor of the ocean. The experience was surreal and left you with your heart in your throat and an empty feeling in the pit of your stomach, to imagine what those poor people went through that night. I’ll never forget it.
i’ve been there, it was way bigger than i expected it to be. there was also a map of the titanic that showed you how big the piece is in scale of the whole ship and i was so surprised that it was so small in comparison
As a history major I think as long as they were respectful in doing so it's perfectly fine. We need that history and we need to preserve it so we can learn about it and understand their lives and storys.
So those gloves, shoes, and clothing were most likely on a body. The money came from a pocketbook, purse, or gentleman's wallet. Would you dig up a body and take those items out of a casket?
@@penelopelgoss2520 Thats different
@@penelopelgoss2520 Mummies? Surprise, people do that
@@SDonovan-en7jh Thanks for sharing your thought. Comment edited.
@@penelopelgoss2520 What does that have to do with anything?
I remember when they aired it live, it was awesome
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Comrade, that’s not great but not terrible.
The sinking or the raising of the ship?
“It belongs in a museum”
Dr. Jones, there is nothing that you can possess that I can not take away.
@@yellowshirtproductions4533 this was great I loved the reference lol
You call him Dr Jones doll!
Ok Indy
So do you! 😆
They technically didn’t take the big piece from the ship itself, only from the ocean floor. It was already broken off so it would probably be fine.
I've had a huge interest in the Titanic and the fact I got to get right up close to, for all intents and purposes, THE ACTUAL FREAKING SHIP was a dream come true for me
Should go to the titanic quarter in Northern Ireland where it was built. Verry verry interesting
Yeah and it's like the top comment said it is literally decaying into nothing so why not preserve at least part of it?
Titanic was nothing special. Had two sisters
@@EdisonDiesel however, one of those was sunk, and the first one built, Olympic, was scrapped in 1938
@@pipedgolf4634 I did! The dry dock was amazing. I only remember a bit of it though, I went nearly 9 years ago
When your gravesite is withering away into nothing, the big piece IS the gravesite now
I’ve seen this exhibition, it was really interesting yet sad as well.
I say save it cos it really brought some perspective about what happened to these poor souls 🙏🏻
Seeing all those artifacts and the actual hull was a dream come true for me, I'm happy I got to see the ship with my own eyes before it goes
I agree , interesting and sad , they didn't have enough life boats , the radius of the propeller didn't turn far enough to keep from hitting the ice burg , I seen the fantastic movie , with of course a sad ending , and after all ? Rose managed to be rescued , too bad for the love interest she had . Icy waters , i enjoyed the movie, but sometimes I wonder if should have never watched , not that it's bad , people in the bottom of the ship never survived. The point of the movie is what really happened.. after years of progress , they have built two ships so large , they made the Titanic look like a tug boat , one ? Called the Oasis , then another was built ? That is bigger than the Oasis , grest video clip , great movie of Titanic , Can you imagine being in a small ship and this Oasis was cruising by ? I remember a story many many years ago, about 2 or 3 people in a small boat , they were out in the Ocean, it was so foggy ? They couldn't see , later they could hear this noise very intense noise, going by them , it was loud and very long, A large cargo ship went by , thank goodness it didn't hit them , it would have sank and the ship mates never would have known the difference your comment, this video clip ?? 👍👍
Are they selling it on the blackmailed? No
They are trying to make sure:
1. The myth is remembered as a reality.
2. Those lost are not forgotten.
3. Bring us closer in awe and respect to those lost that night and the mighty machine, which lost the fight to save its passengers.
4. To highlight the heroism practiced that night, and inspire it in others.
This was good.
I’m glad they raised so many artifacts. We can learn a lot and still have respect for those who lost their lives.
What are you going to learn?
the families who had their ancestor's grave robbed so you could pretend to be an astute intellectual on twitter beg to differ
@@iMajoraGaming You don’t have anything positive to say just be quiet
@@lilyg4925 Well said 👏
@@lilyg4925🍻🍻
"Tampering with a grave sight that's disgraceful"
Native Americans: r u joking?
Ancient Egypt: 🤔
@@VkMari3712 Australia: 🤔
Earth: 👁👄👁
@@explicit3432 Moon: 😳
@@smallboto the Galaxy 🤯
Salvage whatever we can- it’s best way of remembering those who died rather than letting their memory decompose away
IKR
Fax
I think I actually touched that piece in a museum
I went to the Titanic Exhibit before and it was amazing. They did a great job of honoring the people and it really was like a museum. Unlike those three women in that last photo, I didn’t take pictures in front of the artifacts like I was at a circus show. It was fascinating but REALLY sad to see it all in person. Weird to see people act like that in what is essentially a memorial site.
My son and I went to the exhibit in St Paul Minnesota. Do you remember how the room changed, almost an atmospheric change, where the personal items were on display? Just a feeling of deep pathos.
Which museum?
@RenaeJo There are so many Titanic museums, the one in Branson Missouri. The building looks like the ship and it has an iceberg! Look it up! You can also get to touch water 💧 that's as cold as it was the night 🌙 it sank. You also get a ticket 🎟 when you enter, and at the end it tells you if your passenger survived! 🚢⚓️
It is a museum…
im probably high or drunk rn but I think those women are edited into the photo you can see greenscreen by their outlines
Things like this are simple: the historic value outweighs the moral value.
Yes and I’d say the same principle applies to preserving statues of confederate generals and other personalities some would consider offensive or inappropriate in public spaces these days.
Even if those statues are deemed inappropriate to continue as monuments in public areas, they should still be preserved and exhibited in museums so we don’t lose important perspectives from past times.
Plus if the family was getting paid they wouldn’t care
@somni come on now lol.. we know if they like hey you’ll get 500k each for this they’d be like so how we get to it
@somni I mean it’s not really being greedy.. it’s taking what would’ve been offered in exchange for a part of the wreck. It’s not like it’s a body part
Every time there is a dive down to the Titanic, more and more of it is gone. It's estimated that, if it continues to decompose at the same rate, it will be completely gone by 2030. I remember pictures of the Titanic in late in 2010, showing the Captain's bathtub, portholes, and the bow. They're all gone now. I don't see a point in not salvaging anything from the ship. It's been over 110 years at this point- there is no one alive today that lost anyone they loved on that tragic night.
Wether or not people that lived during it are still alive, a grave is a grave. The titanic isn’t actually that important, we just think of it as important because of the cultural response to its sinking and the story of it being passed down. Plenty of ships have sunk to the bottom of the ocean with people on board and almost all of them completely disappeared without us noticing. It was tragedy, and a large one at that, but just because we’ve made it a cultural phenomenon doesn’t mean a corporation deserves to profit off of that tragedy. Especially one named after the same corporation that built the ship, advertised it as unsinkable when it clearly was not, and didn’t provide enough life boats out of pure hubris, leading to hundreds of preventable deaths.
@@Oli.V valid but the ship was important, it was huge for this time and was something very important to industrialization. there would’ve been press anyways, ships at this time weren’t noticed when they sunk because it was very early 1900s. im sure that it helped with improvements moving forward in ships. yes it is a grave but its also important because of the industrialization improvements moving forwards. the relatives should be able to choose what happens with the remains of belongings but it’d be difficult to do that, it’s history no matter what. things were also kept from wars where people died and thats not different from this.
@@Oli.V
So what happens in a few years when it’s completely gone , all of lost to the sea ?
@@Oli.V What are you going on about? Hubris? We are throwing out biblical words now?
@@Oli.V what...? The ship that excavated the titanic (the one discussed in the video) isn't named after the company that made the Titanic. It has nothing to do with them.
Did you think that because the name started with "RMS"? The company that made Titanic was the White Star Line, and the ship was named RMS Titanic. "RMS" had nothing to do with the company though, it just stands for "Royal Mail Ship" - it's just a distinction on the type of ship. It has nothing to do with the company 🙄🤦🏼♀️
That sounds creepy😨
If it was my kin, I'd want the whole thing raised, preserved, and if my kin was floating around, put in the ground.
Your “kin” 😂😂😂
@@LolLol-zp4jy
Definition:
1. One's relatives or family.
2. A relative or family member.
@@LolLol-zp4jy idk why your laughing unless your slow as fuck who don’t know what Kin means u never heard of notify next of kin slowness
@@LolLol-zp4jy Finish grade 6 English
Yall calling lol lol stupid but kin guy thinks bodies are still floating around after 100 years..
I feel it’s great that when the titanic will disappear we will still have a piece of this amazing ship. And it’s story/ history will continue.
It’s keeping the history alive.
"Relatives of titanic victims"
I'm sorry but id say about 85% maybe more than that probably didn't even know their relatives that were victims🤣
Yeah really, I think they just wanted a cut
No shit
Some of us who are older with a living grandparent would know since it would be their grandparents. Not that long, 4, 5 gens
@@velcro-is-a-rip-off yeah but you didn't actually know them....
It doesn’t matter, if I learned that my ancestors graves were being sold for profit I’d be upset, even if I didn’t know anything about their deaths. They’re people, and graves are incredibly important to a lot of people, no matter if they know every detail of the individual and their deaths, or their connection to them,
I think it’s fine because they seemed to preserve it fine and at this moment the titanic is disintegrating so this could be the only things left from such a amazing artifact
I got to go to a Titanic museum as a kid on vacation with my grandparents in Houston in the early 2000s. This was by far the coolest piece I got to see there, a little eerie thinking back to it. My heart goes out to the families, but I still don't think it's Just to let the history and tragedy of the ship wither away completely in the crushing dark depths of the ocean.
In Melbourne they had the titanic expo with that same peice and seeing the rivet bolts and reading how heavy that one peice was amazing, we all got given a ticket as someone on the ship at the end we look at the who lived and died and see if you made it. I was a black man the only black man in second class with my family to start a new business in new York both me and the wife died the son survived and ended up making that business 14 years later
It can be said about any gravesite for that matter, whether it's an Egyptian tomb or bog graves. We have to know about the past. And, of course, we have to remember. The best way to remember is to see with our own eyes and be able to "touch" the history. As a culture expert graduate, I will say that we need this kind of expeditions. Firstly, they preserve what little is left. Secondly, they preserve the memory and educate people. Thirdly, they are being very respectful to the victims.
RMS inc actually pretty smart ngl. Saving artefacts for future generations
As long as they're not selling what they collect I think it's fine to preserve at least some of it.
Lmao explain why buying & selling artifacts is a negative thing in your tiny lil mind
@@kd3nal72 profit off of others dispair maybe? Artifiacts could always be handed back to the family's of the victims where they can be.
@@kd3nal72 profiting over the death of hundreds isnt very respectful
@@crf80fdarkdays I'm really trying here lmao 🤣 so let me get this straight what yours saying is if i had any family die in a event that's been recorded in history I'm owed those artifacts if ever collected
@@1000-THR lmao i had family die in WW2 they have large events selling WW2 artifacts i don't feel disrespected i lost family in the Korean war and Vietnam war still don't feel disrespected when they sell items from those wars i have a lot of dead family and friends in some played a part in days that will go down in history hahahaha you must have really extremely fragile feelings if you think like that idk I'd tell you to grow up but something tells me your just clearly not all there to be mature enough about things
I'm glad they were able to bring all those artifacts to the surface for all to see.
Along with all the glass enclosed displays, I saw that piece of the ship in person, and got to hear and see the original steam whistle blow the one and only time in public since it was removed from the Titanic .
It will never be blown again.
That was in St Paul , MN when the Titanic exhibit came to town
It was truly a once in a lifetime experience my 3 sons and wife will never forget !!
I visited that same exhibit in MN!
Considering it was a grave site for many people they shouldn’t have removed those peoples belongings without the permission of the family members,that’s just wrong even if it is for good reason
I feel like this is a really important piece of history. The titanic is currently being torn down by natural bacteria in the ocean and it is impossible to take the whole ship away. I feel like a small piece of the Titanic should be for the world to see. At the same time, the titanic was a horrible accident and I feel like if this piece continues to be up, people should treat it with respect, not some fun tourist attraction. For example, museums that own pieces of the Berlin Wall use it as a way to remember history and the tragic story behind it. No one is dancing and going crazy when they see it. More of a memorial. I would expect people treat artifacts from the titanic the same too, big or small. (Side note: I’m using the Berlin Wall as a reference. I know both were very extreme and tragic events. Please know I’m not trying to call the same, each are very different and I respect both of them equally. This is only my opinion and it’s 100% fine if you don’t agree. Everyone has different opinions and we are all able to share that.)
You mean salt water corrosion?
@@randybobandy9828 Not quite. There is an iron eating bacteria that is slowly decomposing the Titanic
@@highlandactual weird
I have been to Auschwitz, Dachau and Berlin. Trust me there are stupid people taking smiling selfish selfies effing anywhere. No matter how disrespectful!!
@@highlandactual I don't know too much on the chemical composition or how its being torn down but whatever you guys says works, thanks for telling me!
A metal piece of the ship? Sure. Shoes and clothes that could've been worn by passengers? Probably not.
That along the lines that im thinking
Yeah I 1000% agree. Articles of clothing is just taking it too far. Maybe other artifacts such as piece of the ship itself, dishware, that kind of stuff is fine. But displaying the clothing just feels deeply wrong. Also the items are perfectly preserved where they are. They are far more likely to damage and permanently destroy the items bringing them out of the cold water and exposing them to oxygen and air. The items are safer if they stay where they are. Especially items made of organic material such as clothing and shoes.
How come it’s not a problem that they took Anne Frank’s diary but some clothes is a problem 🤨
@@Cryptic-v7h relative stuff
@@Cryptic-v7h it was her dad who chose to publish it, and she wanted a published book. This is being done without the permission of the relatives and victims
They're just trying to find that jewel that rose threw overboard 😂😉
@@nnoffuture what the…
@@notjason6595 but I’m not wrong
@@nnoffuture what?
It’s actually in DC. I used to look at it as a child.
Good one! 😂
That movie it's so good but it's just sad
People, may think that are out of line, but just remember when the ship is completely gone and that’s all we have left to remember all those people. It’s hard to look at the ocean and remember a great tragedy when you can’t see anything of it, I think what they did, was valuable and worth it.