This is how I get my battery backup systems and what I do with them. This is one of the easy ones to do. Please like and subscribe. Thank You for watching.
Its getting better as I go along. Ipicked up a HD cam and am going to try it out tomorrow with a special guest. Thank you for watching and I hope to get better videos soon for you to enjoy.
rvprepperwayne But can you plug it into another UPS? Like a long chain of them so when 1 runs out of juice it starts pulling from the next one in line?
this is an excellent idea. I got this intuition a couple of years ago and i started my collection of UPS modules. For now, all my electronic in the living room is working on 2 UPS modules and the computer on a third bigger module. These modules produce a very pure sinus wave AC and this is excellent for TV and other electronics. This is also a big protection for expensive electronic big screen TV.
yup. these things are a gold mine if you live where the lights go out a lot.they are at the transfer station , [the dump ], all the time. i got one that is 860 watts .it used 2 12 volts for 24 volt input. i put 128 amp hour deep cycle battery on it .it runs my 32 inch flat screen,laptop computer,modem ,wifi router,a stereo and some compact fluorescent lights,no problem ,for 7 hrs. these are not very fast chargers though .i had new batteries ,[about 80 bucks each]. i gave them a good first charge with the battery charger because it would have taken days. the overhead lights in my house were on separate breakers ,so i installed an outlet for that breaker and a plug from the lights .now i have another UPS on all the lights and used all fluorescent bulbs. now when the power goes out in my neighborhood, my 32 inch flat screen,laptop computer,modem ,wifi router,a stereo and some compact fluorescent lights ,never even blink . i'm going to hook my solar panal up to it to see if it works to keep it charged . if it works,i'm putting it in my 1969 fireball camper that i'm restoring.it did not have fancy battery charging stuff .but mine will be pumping out the bass .
+immrnoidall That's good that you have power when you need it. I like the idea of using solar to charge the battery's. I don't see any reason it wouldn't work. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing. What kind of charge controller do these APCs have? What are the range of batteries could they use? Would be great if a hack to one of these could be for adding a solar panel or two.
I picked up an older one at a yard sale a couple months ago for $4. I knew the battery would be toast but I like to tinker with electronics. I found the user manual for it (an APC, smaller than the model you've got here) and the manual said something about the battery terminals having potential above ground. I tested it and, sure enough, the peaks above ground potential of AC mains runs to both posts of the internal battery (~ 60v AC), with a DC offset between the two to charge the battery, when it's plugged in and charging the battery. What I'm trying to say is that the one I've happened upon could give a person a shock. Be cautious and at least probe for potential to ground. Turn your multimeter to AC and check for voltage between the points you might touch and ground (ground of an outlet for instance).
nodriveknowitall I went to get the supply. It's not an APC. It's an Eclipse plus 250 made by MGE UPS SYSTEMS and the warning about voltages between the battery and ground is on the bottom of the case. It's an old supply, hopefully they don't make them like this anymore.
these apc ups can you say if it trickle charge the battery or float charge the battery. is it safe to keep a deep cycle battery permanently on it as a replacement for the original battery?
Video quality was much improved on this upload. Did you get a better device? Maybe you talk about this later. I've been catching up on your videos to get current.
So basically I could use one just for a battery charger for my Kayak fishfinder battery its a 12v 7a battery sealed unit? Wonder how long it would take to charge it?
I got the same one showing in the video got out of the dumpster for 16bucks i got a batery and put in it it still works im going to hook a solor system to it all you got to do is put to conecting pols on it like he did for the external battery conect them to the bateryin the apc and hoom up a solor panel with a controler and you have a solor back up or solor generater when power goes out your stuf wil run of the panel and of the batery at night or you can leve unpluged and run it just like a solorpower bank dont ned to be a rocket sicentest .
I have a 330 watt APC BE600M1 with a 140 watt load. I hooked to a deep cycle lead acid marine battery to the UPS battery wires with the UPS battery still installed in the UPS. It wouldn't work at all powered by the marine battery unless the UPS battery was still hooked up. . The marine battery is supplying 12.5 volts to the UPS but it pretends like it isn't even there and shuts down in 15 minutes same as it does without the marine battery hooked to the wires. I don't understand why?
I gotta do this and use a jumpstart box to power it. I did mod a smaller portable inverter which had a dead battery but it only puts out 80 volts AC for some reason. It had a 9.6 volt battery inside. Not sure if pumping 12 volts into a 9.6V circuit has anything to do with it but I hooked a 9.6 volt battery that goes to my RC car and it gave the same 80 VAC. Will be keeping an eye out for one of these UPS units.
+coondogtheman1234 Some units will have a low output with no load. If a load is added the voltage increases. as far as the 9.6 battery that is a new one on me. I have never seen one with a battery under the 12v mark.
+rvprepperwayne this one is a black and Decker power to go and it just wouldn't hold a charge anymore so I decided to mod it. will definitely try that but it's not at all a strong inverter maybe enough to run a lamp or something small.
I've got 3 or 4 of these that the batteries have died years ago, but I won't get rid of them because I was thinking of doing the exact same thing with at least one of them, to keep my modem and router on when the power goes out.
Ok, big battery is added and it will work. But how long that 7AH circute board of UPS will take to Recharge car battery like 80AH, 100AH, 150AH ? 10 days or 15 ?
Have you ever repaired the charging part of one of these? I have the ES 500, and a new battery, but the unit does not seem to be able to charge the battery. I put a new 100% charged battery in it, and it registered at 100%, but if I use it on battery only, and run it down some, the unit will not re-charge it, and I don't know how to test it to see if it is trying to charge it - have you done a video that shows that? Like i don't even know how much voltage the unit should be delivering to the battery when it is trying to charge it, OR how to trouble shoot where the issue is if it is not delivering the voltage necessary to charge this battery - can't seem to find that information anywhere! Thanks for any help you can provide...
rvprepper Yep I got one just like it. it works. I was testing it with a small heater on fan only, I messed up once and turned on the heater by mistake, and poof. But I have several of them.
one question, will the backup shut off automatically when it runs out of the alloted time it expects the battereies it was equipped with to run out or if say I hooked up a constant source of 12v DC will it just keep running as long as the voltage and amperage are there? I was looking at the actual chips on the boards inside and it looks like jumpering some of them over and cutting others off would guarantee it not shutting off and just continually drawing from the DC source, which is more what I am after, to get a DC source to an AC source to replace receptacles :)
ah excellent knowledge, I got a ton of these (like 50 or more) that the batteries were partially depleted from a company that installs and maintains the fiber and cable running under city streets and over poles and such, so they routinely throw away partially good units to avoid any possible failures from waiting too long, and they dont pull the batteries or anything. just chuck the whole thing in a dumpster for the landfill and the box for the new unit at the same time, I had at one point over 50 of then and had stopped collecting them due to lack of space, unfortunately I ran even shorter of space and had to chuck all but maybe 10 I kept and about 10 or 15 I gave to a friend who got new batteries and put them back in service in his private server network. I even skipped on a bigger one that I found out later would have let me take 110 voltage to charge batteries and put out 220 voltage lol, still kicking myself over that one XD anyway the TL:DR of that is, check with local cable installers (the guys with trailers that have a giant spool of orange blue or black tubed cable,) for dead or nearly dead UPS units for free :)
Good day. Sir I have solar setup, can I use my old UPS instead of using my sine wave inverter? I was very interested upon seeing your video? I asked myself why no using my UPS from my battery charging from solar panel 200watts instead of using my annoying noise of my inverter? please kindly advice? Thanks in advance Sir
Thanks Wayne. Very interesting idea. We use 1500 and 3000 watt UPS' at work. If one of those 3000w ones go bad could you use it as an RV inverter? This would be a LOT cheaper than the Go Power 3000w I have my eye on at $1100
What type of batteries do use to replace the stock batteries?What is the largest capacity you have used? Have you noticed a difference between trickle charging UPS vs other smart charging methods that stop charging when the battery is fully charged?
+Audito Canarsie The biggest battery I have used is a 32 amp hour. I have run it down to 11.5v and let it charge bacl to 12.7v in about an hour. I prefer SLA battery's. You can have them in the house without fear of off gassing. I like the charging of the UPS, It is a slow deep charge and it don't burn the battery. A stranded type charger that charges quickly will shorten the life of a battery.
+Videsh Radhaykissoon and others asking about other battery types and longer run times... It is better to get a larger UPS for that 'big battery' situation, and particularly the ONLINE kind of UPS, which has a charging circuit equal to the entire load rating. The cheap BACKUP kind of UPS (as shown) only have a small charging circuit, not good for big batteries. Also, large UPS units of either kind have fans to cool their circuits as needed. Large UPS units are scrapped all the time, just like the small ones. In either case, it is usually because the batteries died. Note that larger UPS units often use more than 12 volts on the DC side, to reduce the amperage which must be handled. With old batteries in series for higher voltage, you can have issues with a weak battery in the series-connected string of batteries, so it works best with new batteries. I use Marine Starting batteries in some cases and Riding Mower (lawn tractor) batteries in other cases, depending on budget and desired run time. Also note that Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) batteries can tolerate a higher charging voltage than Flooded Cell lead acid, so the charging circuit in a UPS may overcharge flooded cell batteries, which "boils off" the acid. The APC brand seems to be particularly bad about excessive charging voltage, and it's hard or impossible to adjust the voltage in every APC unit I've used. A simple work-around 'hack' is to use anti-parallel diodes of appropriate current rating to knock a little off the voltage. Silicon diodes will trim off about 7/10th of 1 volt at low current, up to about twice that at high current. For BACKUP-type UPS hacks on 24-volt systems, I usually put 2 smaller diodes (like 10 amp rating) in series to knock down the charging voltage, in anti-parallel with ONE large diode to carry high current from battery to inverter, where you want to minimize the voltage loss. Using a large Schottky diode for the high current is better still, due to lower voltage drop with that type diode.
how many amps can you charge through one of those? i take it the set needs to be wired for 12 volts thinking about making it the controller in an rv switching between main power batteries and solar , from wat you showed me it should be doable , cheap too inly thing you need to add is sumting that regulates the charge coming of the solar panels so the ups and solar dont charge the batteries at the same time
I wouldnt run a big load on this. It cant handle it. Small loads like a few lights a laptop charger, and things like that would be ok. Its ment to be a Back Up, not a constant inverter.
In my town, there is a scrap yard that buys/sells metal by the pound. Often they buy out old businesses and factories and have complete plexiglass enclosed manufacturing equipment. My local yard has probably 80 tractor trailer containers filled with business and industrial surplus, and often sells items based on the current price of the scrap material. Put an ad on Craig's list. Lots of business and homeowners have 1 or 2 of these that the battery just died, as they do from not ever being used. Perhaps ask your attorney or insurance guy if he has an old one... usually they are happy to part with the fo'free
I dont know if this question had been asked but i was wondering if would it be possible to plug a powerstrip/isobar into one of those outlets allowing the user to connects more items that would receive power from the battery?
Is it ok to run electric motors with one of these? Say something like a sump pump motor? Someone posted on another site that the output isn't exactly AC and can damage some electric motors. Any idea if this is correct? Great hack. Thanks for the video.
If it is a brushed motor it would be fine, A brushed-less will have a "hum" to it and will run hotter. You will have to make sure you dont go over the wattage of the power unit.
rvprepperwayne Thank you for the quick reply! Great advice, is there anyway to tell a brushless motor from a brushed motor? Other than from the hum of course. As you can tell I don't know much electricity.
I'm so glad I found your channel. Shortly before I searched on your topic my wife put the exact same APC as yours in the recycling. Any idea if this will work as a battery backup for my sump pump? Sounds like I need to determine the wattage draw on the sump? BTW, thanks for the help... I'm your newest subscriber!
+Sagar Samal Yes you can and I have used one for about an hour with a 4 foot florescent light. There are many ways to charge it. If it is plugged in and has power it will charging. If you dont have access to plug it in you can use jumper cables hooked to a car while it is running.
I priced one for $30 which provides battery power for about 30 minutes. Way too expensive for such a short time. I’m thinking I could connect to my RV or boat battery if I’m in a bind.
Irvin Rolf Parcon Yes you could replace it with a 100ah battery. As far as run time I could not say. Too many variables to take a guess. ie. type of backup, load, battery condition
Here a odd secret all casino uses 1000s of UPS of those unit every year to keep they machine memory safe. if the power is lost - yes they final die so they and sold as junk item by the batch. the biggest UPS we seen had 32 12v in a 2 rack and backup of 3kw.was retire so we have 32 12 volts seal cell battery
Melted plugs, I wouldn't touch that ups with a 10 foot pole, dead battery or not. You never know what could be wrong with it if something inside arched. That being said make sure it's sitting in a fireproof area on a non combustible tray.
+orgsniper You can, but it's not really safe to use long term. Car batteries aren't designed for deep cycle discharging and if you overly discharge them, it could damage them. But a more immediate concern is that they aren't sealed, so if you tip them over you could spill battery acid and that would be bad. They can also leak hydrogen gas which could present a explosion hazard (this can be a even greater hazard if they become damaged or become overcharged). Generally it's not a good idea to use car batteries with these things inside the house. Just get a large deep cycle battery instead. (Sealed Lead Acid batteries like those used in electric vehicles like golf carts and the like for example) Also you can probably use lithium batteries with these too. But the charging circuits aren't designed for them (and battery capacity readouts if USB port is plugged into a computer to read what the battery capacity is, might not be accurate as the discharge voltage curve for lithium batteries is not the same as lead acid chemistry batteries), so you can probably run them off a lithium battery, but don't allow the UPS to charge them. ;) Most consumer UPS devices do not use trickle charging, so I don't think you really have to worry about over-charging batteries unless you have a really cheap one or some generic knock-off brand you bought online. :P
Have this same UBS unit with a dead battery (already replaced it once in its life). I have it mounted under my solar array battery bank, so I got to thinking... why not just use the UPS as an inverter and connect it with a 12v pigtail to my battery bank fuse block. This gives me access to 6 110v plugs and a 12v power source to run my quail business incubator, auto heat control brooder or simply another outlet that I can use free juice. btw... there's no such thing as a free lunch. The laws of entropy exist in our world. Even the green new steal "all solar -free energy" has costs. Consider the Ave life of a lithium miner has to move 5000 tons of earth to get enough lithium for 1 12v battery, and his/her Ave life span is only 35 years. The green new deal has bigger costs that our current energy supply. Don't let the NWO rook you into believing your saving the planet (for their huge profit). Consider the 5 year old in Africa digging for lithium so the family can earn enough money and only survive another 20-30 years so TPTB can sell us eV cars they can control with the flip of a switch, soon able to tell you both when and where you will be allowed to take that $80,000 totally disposable bic lighter of a vehicle. #DefundThePoliticians
1. Replacing the battery isn't a "hack". It's just normal UPS maintenance. 2. Sometimes, the battery will have failed because of a bad capacitor in the UPS. It's almost always a large electrolytic with a bulging top. You don't even need to measure it. You just unsolder it and solder in a replacement which has identical specifications. 3. f the UPS uses a lead-acid battery as most of them do, you can connect heavy wires to the battery leads and connect a larger external battery for a longer run time (but beware as this will also lead to a longer charge time). 4. You can now get a protected lithium battery which is designed as a drop-in replacement for lead-acid gel-cell batteries and the lithium batteries have around three times the ampere-hour capacity. The only problem at the moment is that they are horrendously expensive when compared to their lead-acid cousins.
are you trying to burn down your house? if your house were to burn down and your insurance company saw this you would not see a dime. but other than that nice video.
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Its getting better as I go along. Ipicked up a HD cam and am going to try it out tomorrow with a special guest. Thank you for watching and I hope to get better videos soon for you to enjoy.
rvprepperwayne But can you plug it into another UPS? Like a long chain of them so when 1 runs out of juice it starts pulling from the next one in line?
this is an excellent idea. I got this intuition a couple of years ago and i started my collection of UPS modules. For now, all my electronic in the living room is working on 2 UPS modules and the computer on a third bigger module. These modules produce a very pure sinus wave AC and this is excellent for TV and other electronics. This is also a big protection for expensive electronic big screen TV.
Glad to see someone else uses deep cycle batteries for the UPS
This is very clever, and very handy information. Thanks!
Good info. Thanks!
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yup. these things are a gold mine if you live where the lights go out a lot.they are at the transfer station , [the dump ], all the time. i got one that is 860 watts .it used 2 12 volts for 24 volt input. i put 128 amp hour deep cycle battery on it .it runs my 32 inch flat screen,laptop computer,modem ,wifi router,a stereo and some compact fluorescent lights,no problem ,for 7 hrs. these are not very fast chargers though .i had new batteries ,[about 80 bucks each]. i gave them a good first charge with the battery charger because it would have taken days. the overhead lights in my house were on separate breakers ,so i installed an outlet for that breaker and a plug from the lights .now i have another UPS on all the lights and used all fluorescent bulbs. now when the power goes out in my neighborhood, my 32 inch flat screen,laptop computer,modem ,wifi router,a stereo and some compact fluorescent lights ,never even blink . i'm going to hook my solar panal up to it to see if it works to keep it charged . if it works,i'm putting it in my 1969 fireball camper that i'm restoring.it did not have fancy battery charging stuff .but mine will be pumping out the bass .
+immrnoidall That's good that you have power when you need it. I like the idea of using solar to charge the battery's. I don't see any reason it wouldn't work. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing. What kind of charge controller do these APCs have? What are the range of batteries could they use? Would be great if a hack to one of these could be for adding a solar panel or two.
Great tip! Thanks for the video. Also a big thank you for helping out Eric with Tilly. You are a Rock Star! Be well. Peace.
Awesome!
Great idea. Thanks for posting.
I picked up an older one at a yard sale a couple months ago for $4. I knew the battery would be toast but I like to tinker with electronics.
I found the user manual for it (an APC, smaller than the model you've got here) and the manual said something about the battery terminals having potential above ground. I tested it and, sure enough, the peaks above ground potential of AC mains runs to both posts of the internal battery (~ 60v AC), with a DC offset between the two to charge the battery, when it's plugged in and charging the battery.
What I'm trying to say is that the one I've happened upon could give a person a shock. Be cautious and at least probe for potential to ground. Turn your multimeter to AC and check for voltage between the points you might touch and ground (ground of an outlet for instance).
nodriveknowitall Could give a person a shock just by touching the battery terminals, something a person wouldn't normally expect.
nodriveknowitall I went to get the supply. It's not an APC. It's an Eclipse plus 250 made by MGE UPS SYSTEMS and the warning about voltages between the battery and ground is on the bottom of the case. It's an old supply, hopefully they don't make them like this anymore.
+nodriveknowitall Good info, thanks for making this known
these apc ups can you say if it trickle charge the battery or float charge the battery. is it safe to keep a deep cycle battery permanently on it as a replacement for the original battery?
Video quality was much improved on this upload. Did you get a better device? Maybe you talk about this later. I've been catching up on your videos to get current.
That's what I thought thanks man
So basically I could use one just for a battery charger for my Kayak fishfinder battery its a 12v 7a battery sealed unit? Wonder how long it would take to charge it?
Do you know if a UPS needs a fan if it's running for a long period of time?
great wrk!!!!
I got the same one showing in the video got out of the dumpster for 16bucks i got a batery and put in it it still works im going to hook a solor system to it all you got to do is put to conecting pols on it like he did for the external battery conect them to the bateryin the apc and hoom up a solor panel with a controler and you have a solor back up or solor generater when power goes out your stuf wil run of the panel and of the batery at night or you can leve unpluged and run it just like a solorpower bank dont ned to be a rocket sicentest .
good job. now to find one lol
Hey love the video and thanks for sharing. Can I charge a 4 12v battery bank with one of this
I have a 330 watt APC BE600M1 with a 140 watt load. I hooked to a deep cycle lead acid marine battery to the UPS battery wires with the UPS battery still installed in the UPS. It wouldn't work at all powered by the marine battery unless the UPS battery was still hooked up. . The marine battery is supplying 12.5 volts to the UPS but it pretends like it isn't even there and shuts down in 15 minutes same as it does without the marine battery hooked to the wires. I don't understand why?
I gotta do this and use a jumpstart box to power it. I did mod a smaller portable inverter which had a dead battery but it only puts out 80 volts AC for some reason. It had a 9.6 volt battery inside. Not sure if pumping 12 volts into a 9.6V circuit has anything to do with it but I hooked a 9.6 volt battery that goes to my RC car and it gave the same 80 VAC. Will be keeping an eye out for one of these UPS units.
+coondogtheman1234 Some units will have a low output with no load. If a load is added the voltage increases. as far as the 9.6 battery that is a new one on me. I have never seen one with a battery under the 12v mark.
+rvprepperwayne this one is a black and Decker power to go and it just wouldn't hold a charge anymore so I decided to mod it. will definitely try that but it's not at all a strong inverter maybe enough to run a lamp or something small.
+rvprepperwayne and the battery is just a bunch of NiMH batteries wires in pairs so you get more current at 9.6 volts.
I've got 3 or 4 of these that the batteries have died years ago, but I won't get rid of them because I was thinking of doing the exact same thing with at least one of them, to keep my modem and router on when the power goes out.
Ok, big battery is added and it will work. But how long that 7AH circute board of UPS will take to Recharge car battery like 80AH, 100AH, 150AH ? 10 days or 15 ?
How long the battery back up will lasts with a 12 volts, 18 a/h battery?
Have you ever repaired the charging part of one of these? I have the ES 500, and a new battery, but the unit does not seem to be able to charge the battery. I put a new 100% charged battery in it, and it registered at 100%, but if I use it on battery only, and run it down some, the unit will not re-charge it, and I don't know how to test it to see if it is trying to charge it - have you done a video that shows that? Like i don't even know how much voltage the unit should be delivering to the battery when it is trying to charge it, OR how to trouble shoot where the issue is if it is not delivering the voltage necessary to charge this battery - can't seem to find that information anywhere! Thanks for any help you can provide...
Looks like one or 2 of the outlets got a little toasty. I did the same thing just be careful, they don't supply too many watts.
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The small one like in the video is in the range of 300-350 watts. Thats enuff to run lights and small items. Poor mans inverter but it works.
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Yep I got one just like it. it works. I was testing it with a small heater on fan only, I messed up once and turned on the heater by mistake, and poof. But I have several of them.
one question, will the backup shut off automatically when it runs out of the alloted time it expects the battereies it was equipped with to run out or if say I hooked up a constant source of 12v DC will it just keep running as long as the voltage and amperage are there?
I was looking at the actual chips on the boards inside and it looks like jumpering some of them over and cutting others off would guarantee it not shutting off and just continually drawing from the DC source, which is more what I am after, to get a DC source to an AC source to replace receptacles :)
+Thomas Anderson It will run until the voltage drops to a set voltage.
ah excellent knowledge, I got a ton of these (like 50 or more) that the batteries were partially depleted from a company that installs and maintains the fiber and cable running under city streets and over poles and such, so they routinely throw away partially good units to avoid any possible failures from waiting too long, and they dont pull the batteries or anything. just chuck the whole thing in a dumpster for the landfill and the box for the new unit at the same time, I had at one point over 50 of then and had stopped collecting them due to lack of space, unfortunately I ran even shorter of space and had to chuck all but maybe 10 I kept and about 10 or 15 I gave to a friend who got new batteries and put them back in service in his private server network. I even skipped on a bigger one that I found out later would have let me take 110 voltage to charge batteries and put out 220 voltage lol, still kicking myself over that one XD
anyway the TL:DR of that is, check with local cable installers (the guys with trailers that have a giant spool of orange blue or black tubed cable,) for dead or nearly dead UPS units for free :)
just wanna ask how to cut the automatic cut off timer with that ups.
Hey Wayne, these are pure sine wave inverters aren't they?
Good day. Sir I have solar setup, can I use my old UPS instead of using my sine wave inverter? I was very interested upon seeing your video? I asked myself why no using my UPS from my battery charging from solar panel 200watts instead of using my annoying noise of my inverter? please kindly advice? Thanks in advance Sir
Thanks Wayne. Very interesting idea. We use 1500 and 3000 watt UPS' at work. If one of those 3000w ones go bad could you use it as an RV inverter?
This would be a LOT cheaper than the Go Power 3000w I have my eye on at $1100
Yes you could. Those may be 24 system. BTW check your PM's
You need to add water to that SLA and there's a good chance it will be almost good as new (~90%)
What type of batteries do use to replace the stock batteries?What is the largest capacity you have used? Have you noticed a difference between trickle charging UPS vs other smart charging methods that stop charging when the battery is fully charged?
+Audito Canarsie The biggest battery I have used is a 32 amp hour. I have run it down to 11.5v and let it charge bacl to 12.7v in about an hour. I prefer SLA battery's. You can have them in the house without fear of off gassing. I like the charging of the UPS, It is a slow deep charge and it don't burn the battery. A stranded type charger that charges quickly will shorten the life of a battery.
Can you tell me how to fix ups es 500 I installed big battery but in about one hour automatic off I need to continue power thanks
+Videsh Radhaykissoon and others asking about other battery types and longer run times... It is better to get a larger UPS for that 'big battery' situation, and particularly the ONLINE kind of UPS, which has a charging circuit equal to the entire load rating. The cheap BACKUP kind of UPS (as shown) only have a small charging circuit, not good for big batteries. Also, large UPS units of either kind have fans to cool their circuits as needed. Large UPS units are scrapped all the time, just like the small ones. In either case, it is usually because the batteries died. Note that larger UPS units often use more than 12 volts on the DC side, to reduce the amperage which must be handled. With old batteries in series for higher voltage, you can have issues with a weak battery in the series-connected string of batteries, so it works best with new batteries. I use Marine Starting batteries in some cases and Riding Mower (lawn tractor) batteries in other cases, depending on budget and desired run time. Also note that Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) batteries can tolerate a higher charging voltage than Flooded Cell lead acid, so the charging circuit in a UPS may overcharge flooded cell batteries, which "boils off" the acid. The APC brand seems to be particularly bad about excessive charging voltage, and it's hard or impossible to adjust the voltage in every APC unit I've used. A simple work-around 'hack' is to use anti-parallel diodes of appropriate current rating to knock a little off the voltage. Silicon diodes will trim off about 7/10th of 1 volt at low current, up to about twice that at high current. For BACKUP-type UPS hacks on 24-volt systems, I usually put 2 smaller diodes (like 10 amp rating) in series to knock down the charging voltage, in anti-parallel with ONE large diode to carry high current from battery to inverter, where you want to minimize the voltage loss. Using a large Schottky diode for the high current is better still, due to lower voltage drop with that type diode.
I go to thrift stores just to look for these I have about 6 of them now ranging in different output wattage s for all 6 I've probably spend about 15$
Mine said it didn't have a replaceable battery in it. I replaced it any way.
how many amps can you charge through one of those? i take it the set needs to be wired for 12 volts
thinking about making it the controller in an rv switching between main power batteries and solar , from wat you showed me it should be doable , cheap too inly thing you need to add is sumting that regulates the charge coming of the solar panels so the ups and solar dont charge the batteries at the same time
I wouldnt run a big load on this. It cant handle it. Small loads like a few lights a laptop charger, and things like that would be ok. Its ment to be a Back Up, not a constant inverter.
Aww man I have trashed so many of these at work. Never again.
Why did you expect these to do? Did you get small cheap ones or expect them to run for a long time? I have 2 that work great.
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Hey Wayne, O.o? No clue what's going on in this video but, that's because of me, not you. Thanks Lo :)
I was wondering were do you find these battery back up at thanks Wayne
In my town, there is a scrap yard that buys/sells metal by the pound. Often they buy out old businesses and factories and have complete plexiglass enclosed manufacturing equipment. My local yard has probably 80 tractor trailer containers filled with business and industrial surplus, and often sells items based on the current price of the scrap material.
Put an ad on Craig's list. Lots of business and homeowners have 1 or 2 of these that the battery just died, as they do from not ever being used. Perhaps ask your attorney or insurance guy if he has an old one... usually they are happy to part with the fo'free
Do you Know how repair ups or aps 1500 when is turn out for overload? Thankyou.
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Great vid bro? Ground? Just saying.
I dont know if this question had been asked but i was wondering if would it be possible to plug a powerstrip/isobar into one of those outlets allowing the user to connects more items that would receive power from the battery?
+1965nterp Yes you can
+rvprepperwayne thanks and does the power drain when you connect more items ?
Yes it will drain quicker.
+rvprepperwayne ok now what about the battery that you removed from that bbu is it nicad, lithium. or nickel metal hydride?
I dont recall what it was that I removed.
Thanks Wayne for sharing your video. By the way, Eric sold his "Tilly"
Is it ok to run electric motors with one of these? Say something like a sump pump motor?
Someone posted on another site that the output isn't exactly AC and can damage some electric motors. Any idea if this is correct?
Great hack. Thanks for the video.
If it is a brushed motor it would be fine, A brushed-less will have a "hum" to it and will run hotter. You will have to make sure you dont go over the wattage of the power unit.
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Thank you for the quick reply!
Great advice, is there anyway to tell a brushless motor from a brushed motor? Other than from the hum of course.
As you can tell I don't know much electricity.
I'm so glad I found your channel. Shortly before I searched on your topic my wife put the exact same APC as yours in the recycling.
Any idea if this will work as a battery backup for my sump pump?
Sounds like I need to determine the wattage draw on the sump?
BTW, thanks for the help... I'm your newest subscriber!
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can i use a 12v 7amp motorcycle battery for an approx load of 200w??
How long will it power up and how will i charge it?
+Sagar Samal Yes you can and I have used one for about an hour with a 4 foot florescent light. There are many ways to charge it. If it is plugged in and has power it will charging. If you dont have access to plug it in you can use jumper cables hooked to a car while it is running.
no, you need something bigger
How large s battery can you charge with that and are they sla or agm? Tnx.
I have charged a 102 Ah flooded deep cycle battery. I dont run the battery down much with this setup. I run lights on this.
how can i connect 2 UPS parallel? it´s possible?
Not possible
@@rvprepperwayne are you sure?
@@Drxxx you can connect the batteries in parrarel
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Why not just use APC's replacement battery? They're pretty inexpensive. You can buy them on amazon.
Mubeen Deen By using an deep cycle battery you will have much longer run time than the replacement battery.
I priced one for $30 which provides battery power for about 30 minutes. Way too expensive for such a short time. I’m thinking I could connect to my RV or boat battery if I’m in a bind.
I use a forklift battery.
can I replace the battery with a 100ah battery?does it have to be a deep cycle battery? how long will it last to supply a desktop computer?
Irvin Rolf Parcon Yes you could replace it with a 100ah battery. As far as run time I could not say. Too many variables to take a guess. ie. type of backup, load, battery condition
if I do that, will I have to worry about overcharging or will the charger controller mechanism of the ups will still works fine?
It will charge it ok. I have one running like this for over a year now with no issues.
oh, thank you so much for your information.I might try it one day.
Glad to help
Here a odd secret all casino uses 1000s of UPS of those unit every year to keep they machine memory safe. if the power is lost - yes they final die so they and sold as junk item by the batch. the biggest UPS we seen had 32 12v in a 2 rack and backup of 3kw.was retire so we have 32 12 volts seal cell battery
Will this support a car battery?
Yes , But I wouldn't run it for a long time on the battery as it will take some time to recharge.
Melted plugs, I wouldn't touch that ups with a 10 foot pole, dead battery or not. You never know what could be wrong with it if something inside arched. That being said make sure it's sitting in a fireproof area on a non combustible tray.
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Can you hook up a car battery to this???
+orgsniper Yes you can.
So im guessing hear. You can charge Any battery as long it is 12v then??
+orgsniper You can, but it's not really safe to use long term. Car batteries aren't designed for deep cycle discharging and if you overly discharge them, it could damage them. But a more immediate concern is that they aren't sealed, so if you tip them over you could spill battery acid and that would be bad. They can also leak hydrogen gas which could present a explosion hazard (this can be a even greater hazard if they become damaged or become overcharged).
Generally it's not a good idea to use car batteries with these things inside the house. Just get a large deep cycle battery instead. (Sealed Lead Acid batteries like those used in electric vehicles like golf carts and the like for example)
Also you can probably use lithium batteries with these too. But the charging circuits aren't designed for them (and battery capacity readouts if USB port is plugged into a computer to read what the battery capacity is, might not be accurate as the discharge voltage curve for lithium batteries is not the same as lead acid chemistry batteries), so you can probably run them off a lithium battery, but don't allow the UPS to charge them. ;)
Most consumer UPS devices do not use trickle charging, so I don't think you really have to worry about over-charging batteries unless you have a really cheap one or some generic knock-off brand you bought online. :P
Is all UPS pure sine inverter?
GEE!!!! I hope that they are!
Niklas Akervall they are designed to run computers and other sensitive stuff so i would assume.. but you know what they say about assumimg
good question
No, these inexpensive ones make a simple nearly square wave. The sinewave versions cost a few hundred.
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Have this same UBS unit with a dead battery (already replaced it once in its life). I have it mounted under my solar array battery bank, so I got to thinking... why not just use the UPS as an inverter and connect it with a 12v pigtail to my battery bank fuse block. This gives me access to 6 110v plugs and a 12v power source to run my quail business incubator, auto heat control brooder or simply another outlet that I can use free juice.
btw... there's no such thing as a free lunch. The laws of entropy exist in our world. Even the green new steal "all solar -free energy" has costs. Consider the Ave life of a lithium miner has to move 5000 tons of earth to get enough lithium for 1 12v battery, and his/her Ave life span is only 35 years. The green new deal has bigger costs that our current energy supply. Don't let the NWO rook you into believing your saving the planet (for their huge profit). Consider the 5 year old in Africa digging for lithium so the family can earn enough money and only survive another 20-30 years so TPTB can sell us eV cars they can control with the flip of a switch, soon able to tell you both when and where you will be allowed to take that $80,000 totally disposable bic lighter of a vehicle.
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Don't understand why anyone would think it was a "hack" to simply replace a UPS battery; on a unit which is obviously damaged and dangerous no less.
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1. Replacing the battery isn't a "hack". It's just normal UPS maintenance.
2. Sometimes, the battery will have failed because of a bad capacitor in the UPS. It's almost always a large electrolytic with a bulging top. You don't even need to measure it. You just unsolder it and solder in a replacement which has identical specifications.
3. f the UPS uses a lead-acid battery as most of them do, you can connect heavy wires to the battery leads and connect a larger external battery for a longer run time (but beware as this will also lead to a longer charge time).
4. You can now get a protected lithium battery which is designed as a drop-in replacement for lead-acid gel-cell batteries and the lithium batteries have around three times the ampere-hour capacity. The only problem at the moment is that they are horrendously expensive when compared to their lead-acid cousins.
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are you trying to burn down your house? if your house were to burn down and your insurance company saw this you would not see a dime. but other than that nice video.
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