Fmr GA GOP Lt Gov Geoff Duncan: Heartbeat bill failed to account for all scenarios
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Geoff Duncan - who was the president of the Georgia Senate when its heartbeat bill passed - says he recognizes now the bill couldn’t capture all the nuances and situations that could be impacted. Duncan says he agrees with Kamala Harris: “You don’t have to step on your faith to say the government shouldn’t have a say in your life.” #cnn #News #newsnight #abby phillip #jonahgoldberg #nayyerahaq #geoffduncan #madisongesiotto #nayeemaraza
Georgia gop needs to be indicted for accessory to murder.
That’s just dumb.
That doesn't make sense. If you read the law there were plenty provisions to give that woman an abortion. However the fault is on the doctor.
@@dontewashington3250 No your just dumb.
@@JohnFreedman0It's on the bogus legislation. The fact is that the language is vague enough that any doctor is fearful of legal repercussions. No late term abortions were being performed for anything other than medical reasons. If a fetus is viable, birth is induced in the later stages. If non viable, it's often less traumatic to terminate and induce early instead of forcing the mother to carry to term. There has already been enough examples of why these laws are detrimental, that they should be reworked at least
If abortion is against your religion, don't get one. Otherwise: HER BODY! HER CHOICE!
absolutely agreed!
Unless Democrats mandate vaccines
What about vaccine and mask mandates?? HYPOCRITES!!
So you support Tim Walz' abortion laws he passed in Minnesota? You believe that if a baby SURVIVES abortion it's ok to allow the baby to suffer and die? That's what Kamala Harris believes in.
That’s what I tell my MAGA pearl clutchers.
You know what would make the right wing GOP changes their tune real quick on the abortion? To make a law that criminalizes both the man (father) and the pregnant woman who seek abortion.
Yep!! Or make the man financially responsible upon conception.
@@shadajah21 BOTH!
THAT PART!!!
Captain hindsight is just trying to mitigate his fault and failure. Anyone with a brain knew these bills were going to hurt women. That was the point.
There's no ban in GA. The woman basically killed herself for no reason. And 8 states now support NO RESTRICTIONS ON ABORTIONS. That's disgusting.
@@jamesestelle7260 Once she was pregnant she was left with few choices. 1) Have a kid you don't want and receive your life sentence of parenthood. 2) Risk an abortion that could land her in jail which would ruin her life. 3) The ultimate life sentence. Those are the stakes here. Its not about YOUR feelings, its about the human being caring the fetus in them choice. Miss me with your personal self assurance you aren't a monster....you are.
@@jamesestelle7260What's disgusting is your hate for women.
Agreed- A persons healthcare should not depend on their address.
@@jamesestelle7260Actually you're wrong and disgusting. There is a ban in GA after 6 weeks of gestation. This woman had a unique situation. She took an abortion pill but it didn't work properly. Some of the dead tissue didn't come out of her uterus. She then needed a D&C to remove the tissue, but because she would have been past the 6 week mark docs were afraid to do the procedure. That's insane! But that's what they were talking about in the clip. The exceptions! Had the government not stuck it's nose into this private matter and attached fines and imprisonment to doctors they would have been compelled to help. They felt they couldn't and it killed her. It's that simple. The law killed this woman. Saying she killed herself is sick and disgusting.
No states should be predicating laws off any religion
The government should not be telling woman what they can and can’t do with their body
You don’t like abortions. Don’t have one.
States are people ... People dictate their wants by voting in their state.
The people are incharge of the decision nothing to do with the government they have given it to the states to decide what's the problem
@@gacj2010. And yet, Republicans are still trying to pass laws in the House and Senate that are voted against by the vast majority of Americans. You’re just being naive.
@@gacj2010 States are people? They hell are you saying?
I never have voted in Texas for yes or no? So stop lying...
Except most states are very religious. We tell the government what we want. We vote on what we want. That is why roe V wade got overturned because many Americans didn’t want the government telling them what they had to do. Trump is not taking away peoples rights, if anything he’s giving them even more by letting the states decide if they want abortions or not, and when they want to restrict abortions.
Roe should never have been overturned
For no reason. No state should be passing laws telling woman what they can and can’t do with their reproductive rights
Agree
Imagine how conservatives may become happier if they would just stay out of other people’s business. It must be completely exhausting concerning yourself with other people’s lives. Go read a book, watch a movie, go on a hike. Stop sticking your nose in other people’s personal business
The same way democrats are worried about other people’s guns?
That really is part of the problem: people who don't read! No executive functioning. Just mindless Fox "news"
THAT PART!!!
Duncan clearly admits that he and his fellow lawmakers are not qualified to make lagislations on abortion.
I'm sure it's very comforting to the families of the deceased, that the Lt. Governor is able to view the Republican heartbeat law, in retrospect. What you don't, and won't, hear is Brian Kemp weighing in on this. These people are heartless and morally bankrupt!
My opinion of most anti-abortion activists
If children are shot in schools and you can't talk about that because it's not the time. Why would you want to talk about this? I'm sure it's not the time for that either. rite governor .
Madison in pink has lost her mind.
can just observe her fae/body...so rigid and upset...vs. the Lt. Gov and all the others...
She looks like Laura Loomer.
What a courageous woman (in the ad). Takes a lot of guts to throw yourself out in public and talk about something that private for the good of others.
Thank God for the Me Too Movement. We talk openly now more than ever.
There was no need to overturn Roe V Wade period. My breaks for the 6 year old boy who no longer has his mom.
you are right! Pandora's box...
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Roe v Wade has nothing to do with this. States laws!
That woman caused her own death. READ the actual story. She took 2 abortion pills because she couldn't wait 20 hours.
@@ziff1066State law allows a woman to die a preventable death? That's unacceptable!!!
"Can you think of any laws that give government the power to make decisions about the male body" -- Senator Harris during Kavanaugh confirmation hearing
Kavanaugh: "I can't think of any".
👍👍
There’s no “heart” at six weeks, no circulatory system, no veins arteries or blood… therefore, there is no “heartbeat” - you cannot have a heartbeat without a heart. It’s a damn electrical impulse and these word games of “heartbeat laws” and “unborn child” are nonsense.
There’s no such thing as an unborn child… the definition of the word child presumes a birth. The definition of a heartbeat presumes the existence of a heart. But religious individuals appeal to emotion and discard logic to legislate their religion into a secular society.
These laws just makes it easy to abuse women.
MEN SHOULD SIT THIS ONE OUT!!!! Women’s rights are Women’s rights!! Leave them alone.
If vasectomies were mandatory for males, which could be reversed when they are mature enough to make reproductive decisions and support a family, this would be a moot issue.
Totally agree! Another option, pass a law banning Viagra and these old white male would change their minds about government messing with their bodies.
I'm from Australia and don't have cable. So until recently have not watched Fox Or CNN (only just started watching on RUclips).
Big thing I notice is that FOX only has young blonde pretty women, ugly old white men and the occasional "plant" black man.
It's "eye candy" for an elderly persuasion of the population, who think they're being threatened with extinction.
Did you ever notice US National currency is portraits of slavers, -1?
And CNN isn't?
I struggle with men making statements about women’s bodies and health care. Men do not understand because they can not be pregnant. These are women’s issues. Women need to be the lead in these discussions
Yeah I’m a man and something about when a man speaks on woman’s reproductive health just infuriates me. Like what the fuq is happening in this country? They sound like the Taliban of the US controlling what a woman can and can’t do.
That is false, the man is the only way she can become pregnant, the baby is as much a part of him as it is her. You will not be able to have a child without him, and he should be as much a part of the discussion as you are. Abortion is not healthcare, it is the taking a life of an individual that will in less than nine months be able to live outside of her body, why do you think you have the right to take the life of someone other than yourself.
Misinformation. It's birthing person
@@EugeneHolley-rc6ryagain, that’s between a woman and her doctor. Politicians especially male politicians should stay outta it. They don’t know what it’s like to be pregnant. And another everyone wants to have kids.
@@EugeneHolley-rc6ryIf you think an embryo is a living person, you're going to have a heart attack when you learn how many unborn babies we kill each time us men ejaculate.
Duncan is a decent person. Old school GOP guy when the parties would work together and negotiate fairly and for the good of the country.
Hats off to him to admit that the bill had errors and potentially catastrophic ones.
But experts and advisers were telling these people about these potentialities. There’s no excuse for pushing this issue for fifty years. They trolled America as they don’t even believe this for themselves.
If only he could have said he regretted the decision of 6 weeks. If he regrets those stories then why doesn't he regret his hand in the act?
No he doesn't deserve credit - the issues were known BEFORE the bill was passed into law. Republican zealotry just glossed over them.
The issue is that he still thinks legislation can be crafted to create a network of "exceptions" that is simply impossible to maintain in practice.
It comes down to the same paradigm: if you believe life starts at conception, no one is forcing you to have an abortion. Why are you insisting on forcing women to give birth?
Duncan's religious beliefs shouldn't override a woman's individual health choices.
I think the anti-abortion/pro-life movement needs to rework their approach.
Support laws that is family-centered: tax credit, paid leave, home improvement.@Starting_anew
Lying is also against the Christian religion. But that has _no meaning_ for Trump and Vance and MAGA.
GOP people need to take responsibility for MAGA. We must learn from history and avoid such tragedies in the future.
I agree you can have your opinion and believes but nobody has a right to tell a woman what she can do with her on body
Nobody is saying to ban abortion. Roe V wade was overturned to give the American people a voice in their own state to decide what they want. Thats why in texas it is banned because majority texan people didn’t want abortion.
@@Theyenvylani.__your last sentence canceled your first.
These stories are doing more for Kamala’s ticket than some of the ads. We also need stories of immigrant factory workers- of how roads and bridges have changed communities- how jobs in new businesses are helping real people- how school meals programs are helping children! Show us more of the real impact of positive policy works for people!
This is Trump in the GOP’s legacy. You did this. We will not forget, and they will not be forgiven.
Several medical colleagues of mine would likely refuse to induce an abortion when it was chosen as an alternative to birth control. However, no doctor I know would refuse to carry out any procedure necessary to save the life of a patient. When someone is asked to break his/her Hippocratic Oath by political dictat, then the state is no longer a democracy in any meaningful way. 😢
To summarize: Sorry, but not sorry.
It would be nice if we just let the women and her doctors make healthcare decisions that affect her body. It’s so simple.
My neighbor grows a ton of corn. Acres and acres. I offer him zero advice on how to grow his corn. I know very little about corn. I know where it grows. I know a few ways to use it. I enjoy the taste of corn. But I don’t know enough about corn to make any decisions on how it should be grown. I leave that up to the expert. The farmer.
Polls don't mean anything if you dont VOTE.
We need to all come out and VOTE.
Get your family and friends to VOTE.
VOTE Harris 2024 💙💙💙
What a mess America find themselves in, sad.
Another reason men shouldn’t be making any decisions about women. How this is happening in 2024 is beyond me.
If against abortion don’t have one!!!!!!
First and foremost, Geoff can shove that hindsight apology right back into that dark crevice, resembling his response and possibly his heart. This man heard all the medical arguments, as did any who stood against this procedure. They chose to ignore them for political gain with a base, stuck in fanatical religious fervor, to push their agendas as the political norm. People like him are either, a religious zealot who doesn't care for others suffering in lieu of his beliefs, or he's a career driven liar, using any agenda that fits his mold, to gain power off those he cons.
It is a healthcare decision. Period! No one, but a doctor and patient should be involved, no matter when care is necessary. There are no restrictions for cancer treatment, diabetic treatment etc ., yet politicians and religion get involved where they do not belong.
Got no sympathy for these "Now I realize....." people. You have no business in governance if you can't comprehend suble and multifaceted issues. Too little, too late.
What a useless debate.
Abortion should be legal.
Women should have dominion over their own bodies.
Abortion should be left up to the states. Roe V wade was unconstitutional because it took the vote away from American citizens. Now in some states abortion is being banned. Why? Because Americans dont want it.😂💀
This law just caused that little girl to lose her mother for completely unnecessary reasons. You have blood on your hands.
States with these strict abortion bans have the highest rate of infant and mother mortality. But keep talking about how they are “pro life”
Women do not get pregnant by themselves so why can't we hold the men accountable as well
Men are held accountable. Thats exactly why women get child support for each child.
This is exactly why if you're not a medical professional that is trained and educated for all these health variables.....you should not be involved.
We want the Right to Abortion and Mandatory Paternity Tests at Birth Act
GOP dude is not regretting the bill he helped pass, he is there saying maybe it needs to be tweaked further.
The question for the Lt. Gov. should be, You have three children but how many pregnancies? And what happened to those that didn’t make it to term?
Abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control, but when you limit women's rights of choice, are we going back to dark alleys & coat hangers. 😢
Rape & insest are the courts going to strengthen the laws & punishments to men who violate these???
Just my opinion
I worked with my State Senator in GA at the time that the Heartbeat bill passed in GA. While Duncan claims they didn’t think through all of the consequences, doctor after doctor, patient after patient, testified against this bill warning against legislating medical decisions and how detrimental it will be to women’s lives. It’s not that they didn’t think it through. They simply didn’t listen when they were warned.
That the most honest a Republican say.
Geoff you are a man of integrity.
And they are supposed to be the party of liberty and small government....
They didn't include those exemptions because they didn't want to... All these types of cases were brought up during the deliberations of those laws. Conservatives CHOSE to turn a blind eye because control/ power is more important than helping people.
I like this panel of people not cutting each other off, not fighting and talking calmly.
This is why politicians should have listened to medical professionals to begin with.
Imagine non medical professionals not accounting for every situation? That's why they shouldn't be involved in medical decisions. They need to add future fertility as an exception.
My trans husband and I are both in need of abortions and this is America's #1 issue.
Why are him and his wife sitting down and debating abortion policies that will affect every woman and every man in his state and affects everybody in the country. He just said he didn’t think everything through they thought they did there’s still more to do. That’s why we have doctors they’re trained in this they think everything through they know it they’ve lived it. Why are you and your wife sitting down and talking about my body. That’s some sick sh*t!!!! think about it.
Jerks trying to say, "no one could have predicted this..." doctors. Doctors! Listen to the doctors whose job it is to save pregnancies instead of idealogues
VOTE, VOTE, VOTE 💙 for HARRIS - WALZ❗️ We need to get rid of Trumps hate and heal our country!
Kammie and the democrats, including most of the media, don't seem to care about the more than 300,000 children who have been "lost" by the Department of Homeland Security because they never talk about it.
Trump wants to end lawless sanctuary cities and states because he believes they should follow the law and cooperate with ICE. Democrats support cities and states refusing to abide by federal laws even as they falsely claim no one is above the law.
Trump cares about the small town of Springfield, Ohio which had a population of around 58,000 before it was overwhelmed by migrants because Joe and Kamala have let over 15,000 Haitians invade their town. Trump cares about Aurora, Colorado where armed Venezuelan gang members are terrorizing the people. I don't believe Kammie, or most of the media said a word about these dangerous situations until stories about animals came out because they didn't care.
But when Florida's governor, Ron DeSantis, sent a mere 50 illegal aliens to the very wealthy sanctuary city of Martha's Vineyard, Kammie, the media and other democrats had a collective cow.
There was endless reporting about how terrible this was and how hard it was on the people. The community wasn't prepared for such an influx. There were no stories about how they were just there to get jobs and how valuable they were. But the town bragged about how well they took care of those illegal aliens for one day before they got rid of them.
I wonder if they also intend to unleash a law forbidding vasectomies and ED medication.
I’m Catholic, but I still believe it’s her body her choice and my religion won’t trump that
ARREST THE SUPREME COURT FOR THE PRACTICE OF MEDICINE WITHOUT A LICENSE ON THE STATE LEVEL. THE SUPREME COURT HAS REINVENTED BACK ALLEY ABORTIONIST .
Noticed how he said we started as a family to decide that.. lol he's taking that away!! F'ing hypocrites dude.. jesus
I am gone...women talking over women is as annoying as men talking over women.
Nothing will account for all scenarios!
No more Republican nonsense.
Don’t ever say that will never happen in my family. Grow up
You can NEVER capture all the exceptions and medical contingencies. And that's why the government needs to just get out of the way and let patients be patients and let doctors practice medicine without government interference.
the debate's host did an okay job moderating this exchange and getting the nuance in the solutions
hmmm this one Geoff might be the future of the GOP if he is real on what he is saying now...
It's infuriating to hear my faith (Christianity) being used to hurt women. Especially when the Bible dictates in multiple Scriptures on how to live and deal with a government that isn't in line with your beliefs.
This was ok till they started talking over each other
duncan said these were unintended consequences but that's not true. If true than we have truly stupid people making our laws The truth is that they simply did not care
EMTALA - why does EMTALA not protect these doctors???
Let Duncan speak, he's regretful!!
Goldberg is so odiously wrong.
Ms. Haq - thank you.
Blood on your hands Geoff Duncan.
Can the government tell you what religion to practice? Exactly!!!
Because that’s unconstitutional😂😂, that’s why Roe V Wade was overturned because it is unconstitutional to take the vote away from the American people. Thats is why abortion is being banned in some states because the American people voted and they DONT WANT IT.
OK.......Talking over one another and interrupting makes it very difficult to listen to,! Too bad as this is sooo important to us.
Anyone brave enough to fight heartbeat bills has a lot of adversity to face. Don't give an inch to religious institutions. They will take it right off a cliff.
Why is poor man's kim Kardashian on cnn spouting nonsense?
Abby you are getting stronger and better guests every day. We need tougher journalism
God gives us free will,he doesn’t take choice away,so it’s not biblical 😢
Gods aren’t real… people pretending to speak on behalf of gods are just making stuff up to garner power and exert control… and that’s not just true now, it was true way back when all these “scriptures” of all these religions were written.
It is a huge mistake for church and state to become one. Just look at the horrific history of Catholic Ireland where thousands of young mothers and babies suffered and died in the Magdalene Laundries. We should learn from history.
This “issue” should be on the news,all day……people have to really know the consequences!!!!!!!!!!
I know her she die and she would live if Donald trump didn’t banned it in our state Georgia
The fact that this is even happening in this day and age just makes no sense at all honestly
That was a poerful discussion. Personally, I don't feel I have the right to decide such things for anyone and I don't want anyone meddling in my affairs.
Regardless of how you feel, you can’t push your religious beliefs on someone else. It is stupid that United States in 2025 would have anti abortion laws.
Almost like, and hear me out .... the government making these decisions is problematic.
This is exactly why legislators should not be deciding Medical Care. There are too many possibilities for you to be able to anticipate. You would need a crystal ball to get it right
My concern with abortion is that it is destroying evidence of a crime as in Hadley's case.
Halley is one girl in 100’s if not thousands in the US.
More will speak out soon because of her courage🙏🏽
How ironic it is, that heartless people are "concerned" about the heartbeat of a fetus!
This is how progress is made.
I will never counsel anyone I know that getting an abortion, when it is not absolutely medically necessary to save the mother's life. But I also do not want to make that choice for anyone else, and I think most people in the spectrum of this debate would agree.
You know who has the answers- the medical community!!! Period
Duncan has blood on his hand.
You were told. Had you listened to actual medical doctors, you would have known. You were told. You didn’t listen. (I’m a medical doctor)
The fmr lt geoff duncan could entertain short sighted heartbeat bill, and feed off the indignation of anti-abortionists strictly because the GOP thought they could pander to these religious nuts and get away, ultimately not having to do anything for their support. They thought Roe wouldn't change.
I call bs. He was told. All of them are told about the consequences. They did not listen
This is what I don't get with some Christian is. In the Bible God gave u choice to serve him r not. God never forced anyone to serve him. The lady is right if it is ur Christian belief is against abortion then don't get one but don't force ur belief on others. This little boy lost his mom. He will grow up without one of the most important influential ppl n his life. Why isn't that being considered. How this affects the pll around the woman especially if she has other children.
Bible is the big book of multiple choice so you can be for any and everything and follow it up with "It's biblical!"
There's even a recipe for an abortion in the Old Testament.
@@Maxrepfitgm
Pretty good indicator that it’s not true…
It's paternalism.
It's time to evolve.
It is not a "heartbeat". The tissue that will become the heart has a pulse that can be measured from week 4 - week 6 on. And there is no reason why having a heart should be of such consequence (even IF it was already a fully developed heart). Why not the liver, or the kidneys ? Moreover that time limit does not make sense because it depends on when the doctor can notice something and that pulse can be detected from week 4 - week 6 maybe even a bit later.
So a completely ambigious unclear rule.
As for the ethical implications, why would having a heart (fully developed or not) assign personhood ? The (fully developed) brain and nervous system differentiates humans from animals. A lot of beings have a (fully developed) heart, does not mean they are humans.
The reason why it was chose: it is so early that it is a de facto ban on abortions. And it is easily measureable. Plus a lot of people have emotionally charged ideas about "heart". It stands for feelings, and love in our culture.
Quit calling it prolife, it’s antiabortion.
"Am I Racist" An excellent movie you won't see reviewed on CNN!
Stone cold, open bigoted racists, deny that they're racist, that's how twisted the idea of racism is, how in the hell are going to show open disdain for people of other ethnicities then turn around and say you don't have a problem with them?
Having men on this panel talking about vague laws and "unintended consequences" is absurd. Your intention to control women's lives for your ideology satisfaction is a loser from the gate.
Maybe it isn’t about nuance, it’s about men making decisions about another human’s body…