Can you self-diagnose mental illness accurately?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- This week licensed therapist Kati Morton talks about whether or not we can know so much about mental illnesses that we start acting like we have one. She will explore whether or not we can make up our mental illnesses or fake symptoms. Then she will discuss how our past therapeutic experiences affect our current ones, why our depression can get worse in the summer, and the difference between shame, guilt and embarrassment. Finally, she digs into what we can do if we find ourselves being a difficult patient, and what inner child work can really look like.
AUDIENCE QUESTIONS
1. As a kid, I read all the mental health books at the library and as an adult, all the websites/research papers I can find to try to understand what is 'wrong' with me. I never really sought professional help until a few years ago after a longer than usual depressive episode. My question is this, is it possible that I may have read so much into it that by the time I had my assessment with the psychiatrist, that I was just reciting (relating?) what I've read and what I think I have through self-diagnosis, and incorrectly relating to symptoms I may not actually be experiencing or... 01:17
2. Can past therapeutic experiences have an effect on current therapy? A few years ago My college referred me for counseling (at college) after I disclosed something to them (I completely freaked out after hearing that someone from my past was possibly at the campus, I told my mentor about what had happened because if he was going to be there I would feel too unsafe to attend.) Long story short he had visited from a different campus but was not attending full time thankfully. When I attended my first session the therapist was very direct, wanting me to start explaining what had happened almost straight away (super awkward )... 11:05
3. You mentioned in a few podcasts that depressive symptoms tend to get worse in the summer, I would like to hear your thoughts about what is the reason for it. In my experience it's a mix of sensitivity to the sunlight and heat, dissonance between my internal feelings and outside world and social pressure to be active and happy. Thank you. 16:51
4. Hi Kati, can you discuss the difference between shame, guilt, & embarrassment? I had a traumatic childhood, and I do know & believe things weren't my fault. I don't have shame in the sense of the belief that something is/was wrong with me, however, the idea of someone knowing about my history makes me feel ashamed or embarrassed. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks again for giving of yourself to help others. 21:53
5. Hi Kati, I've been in treatment for multiple diagnoses since I was 14 and now I'm 28. These days I'm totally disabled and cannot work or go to school; trust me, I tried, many times over and with all the accommodations. After 8 or 9 years of therapy I was labeled resistant, severe, complex, and later when I did some DBT, willful. I've tried many methods, therapists, medications, and even TMS. I'm not trying to be like this. There are feelings and beliefs in the way of practicing the skills that I learn, or believing in the treatment itself. For example, I feel like therapy is just brainwashing and I don't want to do any of it unless... 26:31
6. Hi Kati, you talk about inner child work a lot on your show. I can't say I always understand it, but recently I have been wondering if rather than giving support to your inner child can it be therapeutic in the opposite direction? Can I receive love, kindness and support from my inner child to help me find love, healing and respect for myself? Some of the last times I remember being happy and at peace were as a toddler and I wonder if toddler me can help adult me to find that emotional space again where I can feel safe and held. Thank you for all of the care you show us all, I have learned so much from you and between therapy sessions I have found comfort in the information and advice you share. 33:42
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I got the "why didn't you just leave" thing from a boomer therapist after saying I experienced domestic violence for nearly a decade. That was in 2013. I thought things had changed. Apparently not. That's why I avoid therapy, especially that since then I found out I'm autistic and regular therapists are rarely equiped for that.
Things have changed, like a lot, but like Kati said: It's like any job where some people are going to be good at it and some bad. I mean, would you avoid dentists or general practitioners after meeting a (or a few) bad ones? Some people would, but I think that's like using a shotgun for a haircut.
Saying this as a black trans woman with ADHD, autism, and DID, who's had more negative than positive experiences with the *entire* medical system and can still say it's worth it to seek out good physicians, but can take time and be frustrating.
With autism all you need to do is figure out what part you want to work on the ocd the anexity maybe depression
So instead of the autism part pick the side of it you want to work on it makes it easier and Kati uploaded a lot of videos about anexity and ocd I am unsure what type of ocd you got
I’m on my 50’s and I find younger therapists are much better than a lot of older ones.
I hate that happened to you both abuse and therapist. I was mobbed at work (psychological violence from multiple people ) of which my former therapist was affiliated w same university. I was very clear before the abuse and narrative gains momentum that there’s a high risk of perpetrating the abuse but she dismissed it. She said “or you could leave” and I realized she was already set with a belief and forgot early on when speaking with my bosses as the primary goal was not to leave. Additionally my pseudo trustworthy subordinate had been fabricating stories all the while knowing I was practicing the ability to trust w her. And she fully knowing the consequences destroyed it for asking about her neglect of responsibilities and the university never made her accountable for repeated negligence which I leaned then reinforces more lying.
Shortly after termination she mentions she’s going on several months leave and I had to ask for a referral as usually her patients can contact her as needed otherwise resume when back.
I had got so sucked into the abuser that I gradually withdrew from friends and family and once you’re out all your colleagues see you as the smear campaign so literally only 1 person of support and she didn’t seem to grasp the gravity of a career fantasy turn dream come true turn nightmare. It’s made my existence so much worse for 2-3 years several times a week I felt and knew that it was transactional, but it became very transactional and abusive once I was terminated.
@@nerds-nonsenseomg I can’t imagine the complexity of your life. Sending an abundance of compassion for the extremely challenging life you’ve been given
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Many years ago,i've done a research about my symptoms and diagnosed myself with dysthymia. Long after that,both my therapist and my psychiatrist told me i suffer from dysthymia. It kind felt good that i successfully diagnosed myself with my mental condition,i won't lie.
Validation of what we already think is so important. I also just had the confirmation of all 4 MH conditions I have: get depression, anxiety, bipolar, and c-ptsd.
i can't stand summer either. That feeling of everyone being outside having the time of their lives while little 'ol me is all by myself stuck in the house. lol At least in the winter we're all stuck in the house.
I find the better thing to "diagnose" yourself is to talk or listen to people who have the condition. Mental illness is pervasive and affects your entire life, it's likely everyone has symptoms sometimes but the real question is does your life mirror others who have the illness? I can listen to people talk about bipolar, ocd, depression but I never felt any connection until I listened to adults with ADHD describe their life story, the parallels are often shocking and eye opening.
just wanted to share a little something off topic
i had therapy today and i’m really aiming to study psychology and become a psychologist myself one day. my therapist today told me that she thinks that i will be a great therapist one day and that i got the right qualities to become one! this made me really happy and i wanted to share it with sb
thanks for all you do kati, loved this episode a lot! xoxo
Here in the netherlands we have an 8 month waiting list for therapy. If you have an acute psychological problem, you only have friends, family and videos from therapists to help you.
Don't forget some mental health problems are caused by physical health. My mental health problems was caused by undiagnosed perimenopause. That can affect half the population. Since starting HRT my depressive symptoms have disappeared and I no longer so depressed I haven't ended in hospital or inpatient.
16:51 start of question about depression in summer
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It’s not just me! ❤ every summer the last few years have been so much worse for me.
Hello to anyone still reading these comments I am just watching and listening right now sending late care and prayers your way people ❤🙏🏻
You saved my life
I'm glad you're here ❤
What if you have a bachelors degree in psychology, you are furthering your education to be a clinician, and you seek treatment for mental health? I have access to my previous medical records and therapist notes, and it can get interesting. I think there is a level of needing an outsider's opinion because sometimes depending on the diagnosis, it's hard to have insight.
Kati, I hope you see this because I think your insight would be really beneficial.
So I graduated with my MSW in 2022, and did the thing we do where we self diagnose because we’re learning about these diagnoses. Now, I knew years before I finally got a formal diagnosis that I have ADHD and ASD. I self diagnosed and I was correct. Now, I’m fairly certain I have OCD as well. But along with being neurodivergent as hell, having depression, anxiety, and PTSD, my therapist doesn’t think giving me an OCD diagnosis would be helpful to me. I see where he is coming from (and my fiancé agrees with him). When I finally got my ASD diagnosis, I stopped masking as much. So my fiancé just saw “she got an Autism diagnosis and now is acting more Autistic”. He and my therapist think that another diagnosis would just validate and intensify the cognitive distortions I already have.
But I feel, like I did with my ADHD and ASD diagnoses, that an OCD diagnosis (if I’m indeed correct) would be extremely validating and help me to understand myself better. I also feel that it would benefit and make more effective my treatment plan.
What do you think? I’d really appreciate your insight on this.
Wow, great information!!.😮 Ty Katie.😊
The question about functioning, i find it difficult to even move, several times a day.
I find myself just sitting there, for several minutes, kind of paralyzed. It's not anxiety, not sure if it has anything to do with depression. There are no thoughts nor feelings that occur along side this.
It's just like my brain stops functioning for 10-15 minutes.
I'm the same with the mosquitos. I take 5000 iu vitamin D and 50mg 5-HTP daily now to help with my mood due to depression in the summer.
I IMMEDIATELY thought of medical school syndrome when she read that first question. I wonder if that ever happens with mental health disorders too? I would think those would be harder to "trick" yourself into because most people have that problem for YEARS before they try to get help. I know that having like, imposter syndrome is a very real thing in relation to mental health though, because after going on my meds for a while, I’m like "I don’t even need these. I feel fine" and then I go off of them and SPIRAL, get back on them, and do it all again 😅
Valuable topic❤❤ first comment. 😅
I have Hayfever June, July, August which effects My Mood and I usually end up doing something really Stupid during this Time
Most of the Stupid things I've done are because I Fancy Someone or I'm Angry with Someone
Q5 if someone feels like they have traumas or failures using the search term NARM when looking for a therapist is extremely useful. Speaking from experience.
What were the two apps kati mentioned? E mood and other one was what? Can someone reply?
emoods and the Clue period tracking app
@@LiliVanilli248 thanks
Summer in itself does not cause depression. It is the external trigger. It is how we relate to this external trigger. How we contain the emotions and how we think (ruminate) about this external challenge.
For some people yes but good to get a professional to agree or disagree with it I am pretty much fully self diagnosed but nobody can say I am wrong with it
My cousin an ex care giver told my parents I might be autistic I am pretty sure i might have been 2 or 3 at the time
She picked up on the fact that I followed the sound of water over her voice
I self diagnosed myself fir autism because I forgot about her asking me and my response to her being so young when she asked (I am about 5 when she asked) I said I do not know
Whenever I tried to bring it up to my parents after I made the diagnosis myself I got called a liar for the longest time but I knew i am autistic and didnt care about being called a liar
My borderline personality disorder something I was pretty sure around 13 I had that but called a liar dropped it dissociated in 2017 knew for sure and dont bring it up that I have it except to youtubers
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So you all interrogate your clients😂
Where do you file a claim against therapists?
I’ve complained about my first therapist she disclosed her divorce and being in a verbally abusive relationship and being groomed by her ex husband. when I reported my therapist I called and emailed the director of the counseling center I went to and the director and I talked about what happened.. what came of it I can’t tell you bc I don’t know 🤷🏾♀️ but I felt super proud 🥲 of myself for reporting her toxic traumatic abusive behavior
Report the person/therapist to their particular licensing board...hope this helps!
Can you self diagnose mental illness accurately? Of course you can. I do it every day. Sometimes several times a day.
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Was just talking about the depression topic with my therapist, because they recognised the summer depression and I saw a documentary on the effects of pollen on that
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@katimorton. I can really understand and relate to summertime depression and mixed emotions and feelings I definitely could relate to question 3 😢❤🙏🏻
Never trust the word just.