I'm G.U. instructor. Love this video!! I would agree with the jealousy part as it pertains to hate from other schools. We are structured around the OG Fundamentals of self defense. We also do have extensive sport jiu-jitsu training incorporated further into the curriculum, but when I say sport, we care nothing about points etc, rather, we will learn sporty guards inside and out, etc. So I feel we get the best of both worlds as long as you train long enough to get to all of it. We keep jiu jitsu street worthy to preserve the essence of the MARTIAL art. We also do not allow any newbie to spar until they have enough of the fundamental training to keep themselves and others safe while rolling (hence the combatives belt), which is where some people will also hate on us. This can also create an 'aggression' lag if our lower belts do choose to compete right when they do start sparring, but that seems to even itself out 6 months to a year in. These policies are great for business and also weed out the 'tough guys' that want to go wild before they even know what they are doing. My unbiased, honest opinion is that G.U. is a longer road than other schools, (which preserves the 'Gracie" name). It would be easier to get belted elsewhere, but I have seen over and over, the technical knowledge is superior to MOST other schools and visitors from them.
I attend a Graci University affiliate and I love it. I am 4 stripe white belt and hope to have my combatives belt soon. People trash it because it is not the more traditional way of doing things where you get thrown in as a white belt and have to sink or swim and survive. They pioneered the online training model that many others have adopted. Is their system better or worse than others? I don't know because I have only done jiu jitus this way. It works for me and others in my school
I would contend that it is THE traditional way, as it's what GM Helio did. Full self-defense curriculum for blue belt before you started rolling in open classes. I'm thankful my exposure has been to Gracie JJ vs. "BJJ"
I'm doing the Gracie combative coarse in Monterey Ca and it's awesome intructors are great and I wanna continue it will definitely help u if an attacker tries to attack you you can control him with these techniques
I started at a Gracie Jiu Jitsu academy in Pearland, Tx the beginning of the year. Before then I did have experiences at other gyms but I think Gracie JJ gets a lot of flack. It really does introduce the art to people without them having to worry about being injured or having to being in that very competitive atmosphere. I really like how detail it is. I think it’s a great starter gym with their combatives program. The guys in the master cycle class competes too and do great.
agreed. ive said this numerous times. i'm a black belt (short little dude) and started in the era where they threw you to the wolves. I learned, but it cost me alot in terms of injury and frustration. In todays era, there are better ways to learn as starters from day 1. I stayed because i was young, angry with a chip on my shoulder but learning couldve come easier and thats the point.
@@markavelisocal I'm willing to argue that if you had to wait a year to toll you'd never trained long enough to get your black belt in the first place. The training style didn't fit your personality and you'd have found somewhere else that would have thrown you to the wolves.
@@travis1687 1 year before rolling? Never heard of the before but one of the OG goats Mario Sperry believed in 6 months. i think 3 months of pure drilling for adults. my 2 cents.
The quality and organization of the instruction on GU is second to none. When I am trying to learn anything on You Tube -from cooking to changing brakes on a car, I find myself wishing the instruction was taught by Rener and organized like it is on GU.
Long time happy follower of your content 🤙 I completed my Combatives belt as an older out of shape guy that wouldn't cut it in most of the schools that tend to throw people into the fire. I legit loved the comprehensive fundamentals I learned from them and still remember a fair amount. It's going to be remembered as one of the best experience in my life 💯 So when I hear someone online talking crap about a school they probably never attended, they immediately lose all respect. Sorry you even had to make a video like this, but someone has to speak up. Thanks for discussing the elephant in the room and also trying to avoid politics. I can tell you're an awesome Teacher/Coach/Professor. Thanks for being a terrific example 🤙
Trained at a Gracie University and a sport BJJ school at the same time. Personally, I'll say that the things I learned/re-learned at Gracie University made my overall technique worlds better.
the only problem i have with them is they keep on teaching some self defense techniques that were prooven to be either bad or don't work at all. rest is totally fine, they just need to update thier sd curriculum
100% people gotta stop hating success. Ryron and Rener are the best teachers regardless of subject I’ve encountered in my life. I’ve seen many a high level BJJ black belt/UFC fighters roll with Ryron or Rener & they look bewildered after their roll, even seen one highly respected guy have to tap to Ryron’s “side mount pressure;” it is eye opening…,so ya they are good at what they do & if they weren’t people wouldn’t go/purchase from them.
"Chances are they don't even know the guy"... this is a really amateur level argument. You don't have to know someone on a personal level to critique their actions. Their actions stand alone. You can agree or disagree with a person's actions without judging their character. He could be the world's nicest guy, that doesn't mean you automatically agree with everything he does. I lost a lot of respect for him with how disingenuous he was about Bravo/Royler II. Doesn't mean he isn't overall a good guy.
Gene Lebell is a character, and story teller. He was a very successful stuntman, and if he was going around beating up his A-List stars like Seagal or Embarrassing Bruce Lee i imagie he wouldn't work in hollywood long. The Seagal thing was more of, let me get you in a full choke and see if you can escape not really a fight. Not many could get in a full choke and escape with a highly decorated black belt but even so Lebell added to it. As for Bruce. Lee loved learning as much as teaching, so Bruce showed him some things and Lebell showed Bruce. Once Bruce died thats when Lebell started adding to the story. I also read in Richard Bressler's book Lebell didn't want no part of any Gracie's when they were beating his students at his school. Also Bruce did learn from Lebell but he also learned a form of Jiu Jitsu from Wally Jay called small circle Jiu jitsu. Wally Jay was high ranking in Judo as well as Danzin Ryu Jiu Jitsu before founding the Small Circle style that implemented both among others. Gene Lebell likes to add to his own Legend but i. His defe se he was a Pro Wrestler as well.
When Gracie University came out, I was an advanced white belt. I remember my coaches at the time saying they only started that when Helio died because he wouldn’t have stood for it. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but I think they were ahead of their time in using the internet as a way to teach through pre-recorded videos, and it made BJJ accessible to many people who live in rural areas with little to no options. I have to say I think it’s a bit of a fallacy to say that if someone doesn’t like someone, or what they’re doing, it necessarily means that they are envious of their success - nor does envy necessarily equal or derive from hate.
I love Gracie University, their overall approach for self-defense oriented Jiu-Jitsu is great and the online platform is excellent for people in remote locations like myself. I'm not the biggest fan of all the trademarking but it's understandable I guess.
Great video, I would say there definitely are people who are unconsciously hating on Rener because of his success, but it isn’t the only factor. There are people who just don’t do their research & think they are still letting people get to blue belt & beyond without pressure testing, which they aren’t after Rickson & others denounced it, just the Combatives Belt. There are also a lot of people who think it’s all Combatives, they don’t know about Master Cycle, & there are people who are salty because Rener is transforming his BJJ teaching to be more inclusive, promotions are more based on knowledge/ proficiency of techniques/ principles, & not if the coach thinks you can dominate others competitively (I have respect for those kind of school, but it isn’t for everyone). I think there are also good & bad Gracie CTC, my CTC has an open roll after Master Cycle, but I have heard there are some that don’t ever really do full on rolling, which is bullshit to me.
In house is at least 50% more students than that. Envy and ignorance are spot on. These dudes work harder then anyone else and they reap what they sow.
I think GU does a great job, especially for beginners and helping low level people train with family and such at home. They have a phenomenal teaching method that helps others learn how to teach. When people ask a way to learn martial arts at home, GU is my number one recommendation for any chance a person is basically going to have. I'm very good at seperating any opinions of seperate issues. will I can acknowledge that some of the stuff to the side that they or notably Renner got into, like the famous court case and denigrating by default a large subset of JJ schools, was really crappy. I'm sort of sad that happened, because whatever "hate" GU had as an online school or a non-sportive school, got eclipsed by the scandal. And recommending them now gets met with their sketchy "moral"? Choice in causing a harm to the JJ community. I still recommend the value of their course, that imo within its context, can't be argued with. But that scandal? Made me sad.
Luta livre literally means "free fighting". It's the Brazilan version of American wrestling. At that time both luta livre and jiu-jitsu would use strikes in addition to grappling. Striking was part of the art.
I just started BJJ after doing Muay Thai for 3 years (I still do Muay Thai just added BJJ) is there any tips you can give a beginner I just did my second class today
You have two kinds of people who train BJJ. People who think you should give away your knowledge for free and teach anyone and people who think you should charge for what you know and be selective about who you teach. I'm the second type.
Luta livre roughly meant “free fighting.” They were the original no gi grappling gyms. They stated that the GJJ gyms were elitist and only trained the rich while they trained all people. They saw the gi almost as a symbol of elitism.
I believe you're a good guy, you just keep repeating the lies of the Gracies and you don't feel like calling out the BS. It's fine. It's a little childish to consider different opinions universally as "hating", but that's fine too. Btw, luta livre was founded by Tatu who was a catch wrestler (and beat George Gracie). It's Brazilian Catch Wrestling and that tournament has nothing to do with modern MMA as far as GJJ vs "free fighting". If you want to see how well GJJ works in MMA, watch the actual GJJ "fighters" being completely irrelevant in the octagon as soon as people who knew how to fight came in 30 years ago. It's a fact, do I have to list the fights where they got embarrassed? I mean, all the way down to Rolles Gracie being KOed by Marius with a sloppy overhand. A former strongman. The talk about fighting is totally crazy, you need to train in MMA to realize how insane what you said is. You need to take your opponent down to use jiu jitsu, how do you take down people who know wrestling? You get pieced up before you can clinch (because you can't strike) if you don't do MMA, if you can reach the clinch at all. Then? You pull guard where it's raining knuckles? Modern MMA fighters are not Dan Severn, almost nobody finishes people from the guard. Let's say he slips on a banana peel and you get on top, they spring back up in 3 seconds, BJJ doesn't teach people how to control the opponent to the level that's required today. You need to use leg rides, tilts, bars, and keep them down. That's wrestling though. I mean, it's not like I'm making this stuff up, you can see it on TV on every UFC card. Including the ones Kron embarrassed himself on. I only talked about undisputable facts, these are not my conjectures or emotional responses AKA "hating".
@@KamaJiuJitsu Sure, in MMA you have rounds so you can literally have your opponent in a rear naked and they stand you up when the bell rings. Still, in 5 minutes Kron showed no progression towards a possible win. It's very hard to argue that the result would have been different with no time limit. Actually, his heart may have gotten him permanent damage if that would have been the case. The old Gracie tactic of surviving because you're too close for the opponent to do damage until you find an opportunity is gone, people now don't make those big mistakes and they can create space to strike. Ground and pound has evolved, being on bottom is not a winning strategy and you take way more damage than in the vale tudo days due to the different level of fighters. The game has changed greatly. Btw, vale tudo rules are not a real fight either. I know you didn't say that in this particular video, but the Gracies subtly make that claim and they present GJJ as king of the streets because of its vale tudo success. There's a reason why people made a circle around Rickson when he was fighting Duarte on the beach, he makes himself vulnerable to people jumping in and kicking him when he's down. You need boxing (at least) to stay away as much as possible, and the grappling to take people down and do your thing on the ground if you need to.
Your comments make no sense at all. Because of it's organized, methodical curriculum that emphasizes starting slowly and in a controlled manner, and not sparring right away, Gracie University attracts a certain type of student - older, less athletic, less physically fit. So just because you trained with a few GU students, and you found their skills to be subpar, that does not necessarily mean that their curriculum is bad. Do you understand what I'm saying? It's like if Freddie Roach trained Manny Pacquiao and all of his other pro fighters in the morning at his gym. But in the evenings, he trained all of his older, "white collar" boxers who are just training for exercise and to get fit. So if you sparred with Freddie's white collar boxers, are you gonna say, "Freddie's fighters don't have very good skills."?🙄 Of course not. Freddie has different levels of boxers - elite pros in the morning, and people who are just looking for exercise in the evening. It's like Gracie University. Rener trained pro fighters like Brian Ortega. But he also trains average, everyday people as well. Can't believe I had to explain all of this to you. It should be common sense.
If people don't like Rener only because he's successful, why don't we see the same kind of reaction to people like Bernardo Faria, Gordon Ryan, and the Mendes brothers? Why don't we see the same kind of reaction to Craig Jones? If people only hate Rener's success, why doesn't that same hate apply to anyone else?
1. How do you know it doesn’t apply to the others? 2. I assume by your response, you’re NOT a Rener fan. Do you know him personally to base your opinion on?
People hate on Gordon Ryan all the time! It’s shocking how much hate he gets. I watched a video the other day about how Craig Jones was just a cry baby and really actually horrible in real life. Don’t believe any of it.
@@KamaJiuJitsu @KamaJiuJitsu 1. You couldn't make a video on "Why people hate Bernardo Faria" or "Why people hate Gui Mendes." You just couldn't. I couldn't either. There aren't enough people who hate them. Rener, on the other hand... 2. Did I say I didn't like Rener? I didn't. I never said anything about my opinion. You and I have both heard people talk about Rener. I've never heard anyone say anything about hating Rener because he's successful, and I'm pretty sure you haven't heard that either. Yes, there are people who don't like him. But it has NEVER been because he's successful. There are LOTS of successful people in BJJ who don't get this kind of reaction. Can you guess why this is?
@@lancepraet I wouldn't say "all the time." Every pro athlete has his detractors. I don't think Gordon Ryan's detractors are out of the ordinary by pro athlete standards.
There’s lots of hate out there for Ryan, mendes (s*x with student allegations), Craig Jones (rude at seminars, ripping subs) and just about everybody out there. Everybody loves Bernardo
Exactly. The people at his father's funeral was a VERY biased sample of people. The ones who didn't like his father would not even waste their time going to his funeral. Or, if they went to his funeral out of obligation, they would likely not take the time to talk to the family. For people who have treated me well in life, I'd travel across the country, and spend lots of money on travel and hotel just to attend their funeral and to show my respect. For people who have consistently treated me poorly, I would not attend their funeral even if it were a 2-minute walk. I'm just being completely honest.
If I have the choice between a Gracie University Brown belt and a Dave Kama Black Belt. Pretty easy choice there for who I want to train under Especially when I watched their Facebook instructional videos they put out. That being said, they provide a value service to those that don’t have access and I cannot hate that!
Yup Bruce incorporated grappling into his curriculum because of Gene LeBell and Hayward Nishioka. Now let's go back to the main topic. Everyone I know that is not fond of Gracie University specifically Rener and Ryron is because of the online/video belt promotions. This waters down the art making it more like what Taekwondo has become....a belt factory. It's quite obvious whenever one of these Gracie University students visits other reputable academies...they get handled. So yeah this system they have created selling belts and certifications has caused some hate. You say you don't have a dog in this fight. But clearly you do. You are highly biased towards the Gracie family especially the Helio side. You came from wealth. As you said your dad was loaded. I can imagine that lent itself to incredible privilege and opportunity. Just don't let that blind you from the reason most people are critical of Gracie University. It's not because they are jealous because of the Rener and Ryron's wealth as you assume. Yay for you and your dad's money that you inherited and had the privilege of being raised with. Yay for the millions Gracie University is making by selling belts.
Regarding your emotion filled closing statement: Pure insecurity. Don’t shame others for their wealth. Only those beneath try to drag down with insults. Elevate above it, little guy. = Regarding Belt Promotions (1-2): 1) You appear to both overvalue and misunderstand the purpose of the technical blue belt. I train at a CTC and the only belt I’ve ever tested for was the Combatives Belt, or technical blue belt (over-glorified white belt compared to the blue belt). Having an in-between belt, distinguishing those who know more than the brand new white belt but significantly less than the flagship blue belt, is not an uncommon practice among gyms completely unaffiliated with GU, because it discourages advanced belts from beating up the novices to the point of membership cancellation and instead encourages them to act with grace and provide teaching opportunities on their mistakes during rolls. The technical belt, ultimately keeps the motivation of its students and limits the attrition of its students to keep the lights on at the facility. Relating back to GU, the Combatives belt is simply to recognize that the basic, fundamental *techniques* of *their* specific self-defense oriented beginner program of jiu jitsu has been sufficiently engrained, not that they are an equal with a sportive blue who from white belt competed and advanced to blue belt. Again, it’s just an in-between belt to recognize adequate progress beyond the early stage white belt, far before the blue belt. The Combatives belt is available for online video submission, but again, this belt is still only a white belt, recognizing that one has understanding of the technical intricacies of core fundamental BJJ positions, and offensive/defensive techniques. I personally didn’t test online, but trained in person under a black belt who is required to maintain the testing integrity and confirmed I knew the intricate details to every technique. 2) Unsurprisingly, you fell into the small box stereotype that Professor Ryan Young laid out regarding the blind casting of hate without true understanding. Per GU official website, “[…] even though Gracie University will provide a complete training path for dedicated at-home students, from white to black belt, in order to maintain the integrity of the Gracie University belt system, all official belt promotions, from blue to black, can only be earned via live testing at a Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Certified Training Centers”. In case you can’t comprehend the provided excerpt: White to Black belt curriculum available online for all, but Blue to Black belt attainment requires in-person observation, discretion, and testing. The blue belt imposes additional requirements beyond the initial white to Combatives belt journey. Requirements of a MINIMUM 100 additional hours for classes, a MINIMUM additional year duration, AND, *most* importantly, additional instructor discretion BEYOND the minimum, are enforced. For my school, this does not necessitate additional fees. The misconception that blue belts and above are still being handed out may be due to the fact that the Gracie brothers have kept online materials accessible for a subscription, however, it’s been a significant amount of time since they decided to completely phase out the online testing and made the requirement to test in person. Not since their decision with Rickson, Pedro Sauer and other notable related Gracie family members, have the brothers continued the outdated practice of completely online testing w/o rolling. Regarding the Argument of Reputability: You made a loaded statement concerning reputability. Reputability in what sense? Context surrounding GU’s promoted techniques, target demographic, and their ultimate mission is critical. GU’s ultimate goal with the Combatives program and overarching principle is to provide a generally successful strategy to SURVIVE, not dominate and impose one’s will, and provide it to those who need it the most. By comparing the outcomes of rolls from sportive school against that of GU students isn’t comparing apples to apples. “But, GU students suck against MMA practitioners! Why not teach students pure MMA techniques?” Because it’s cutting out those who need the guidelines for unskilled confrontation the most, which are those who are smaller and typically aren’t predisposed to meet the stressors of more athletic demands of MMA. The purpose of the testing is *one* of their methods of tracking progress beyond what is typical for the sportive jiu jitsu counterpart, in which indicators of progression are more cookie cutter and can more easily be observed through competitive track records. I’ve traveled throughout the US and visited many gyms. We are more similar than we are different. Heck, we even cover the more sportive techniques like Berimbolo’s and Donkey Guard. But people like you purposely keep the divide and prevent unity for us as a community. Be better lil guy.
Nope. My DAD had money. I was raised by mom. Lived in Hawaii housing project (Red Hill) for a bit. Bounced around living in small apartments, and crashing here and there when mom had tough time making ends meet. Ate mostly rice, eggs, ramen noodles (aka saimin), and canned meat. But judge all you want. I’m no longer physically and mentally “there” anymore. Sucks for you that you seem trapped in that mentally, still.
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I'm G.U. instructor. Love this video!! I would agree with the jealousy part as it pertains to hate from other schools. We are structured around the OG Fundamentals of self defense. We also do have extensive sport jiu-jitsu training incorporated further into the curriculum, but when I say sport, we care nothing about points etc, rather, we will learn sporty guards inside and out, etc. So I feel we get the best of both worlds as long as you train long enough to get to all of it. We keep jiu jitsu street worthy to preserve the essence of the MARTIAL art. We also do not allow any newbie to spar until they have enough of the fundamental training to keep themselves and others safe while rolling (hence the combatives belt), which is where some people will also hate on us. This can also create an 'aggression' lag if our lower belts do choose to compete right when they do start sparring, but that seems to even itself out 6 months to a year in. These policies are great for business and also weed out the 'tough guys' that want to go wild before they even know what they are doing. My unbiased, honest opinion is that G.U. is a longer road than other schools, (which preserves the 'Gracie" name). It would be easier to get belted elsewhere, but I have seen over and over, the technical knowledge is superior to MOST other schools and visitors from them.
Well said.
I attend a Graci University affiliate and I love it. I am 4 stripe white belt and hope to have my combatives belt soon. People trash it because it is not the more traditional way of doing things where you get thrown in as a white belt and have to sink or swim and survive. They pioneered the online training model that many others have adopted. Is their system better or worse than others? I don't know because I have only done jiu jitus this way. It works for me and others in my school
I would contend that it is THE traditional way, as it's what GM Helio did. Full self-defense curriculum for blue belt before you started rolling in open classes. I'm thankful my exposure has been to Gracie JJ vs. "BJJ"
@@MarcYoder1 I agree
I'm doing the Gracie combative coarse in Monterey Ca and it's awesome intructors are great and I wanna continue it will definitely help u if an attacker tries to attack you you can control him with these techniques
@@MarcYoder1 the way Helio did it was all private classes. The first one to start group classes was Carlson.
I started at a Gracie Jiu Jitsu academy in Pearland, Tx the beginning of the year. Before then I did have experiences at other gyms but I think Gracie JJ gets a lot of flack. It really does introduce the art to people without them having to worry about being injured or having to being in that very competitive atmosphere.
I really like how detail it is. I think it’s a great starter gym with their combatives program. The guys in the master cycle class competes too and do great.
agreed. ive said this numerous times. i'm a black belt (short little dude) and started in the era where they threw you to the wolves. I learned, but it cost me alot in terms of injury and frustration. In todays era, there are better ways to learn as starters from day 1. I stayed because i was young, angry with a chip on my shoulder but learning couldve come easier and thats the point.
@@markavelisocal I'm willing to argue that if you had to wait a year to toll you'd never trained long enough to get your black belt in the first place. The training style didn't fit your personality and you'd have found somewhere else that would have thrown you to the wolves.
@@travis1687 1 year before rolling? Never heard of the before but one of the OG goats Mario Sperry believed in 6 months. i think 3 months of pure drilling for adults. my 2 cents.
@@markavelisocal Gracie university makes people wait 6 months to a year before they can live roll man.
Depends on the adult for me personally
@@travis1687 yeah, factors like age, size, past experience, learning ability yeah all factor in. For sure, never a one size fits all but just my take
The quality and organization of the instruction on GU is second to none. When I am trying to learn anything on You Tube -from cooking to changing brakes on a car, I find myself wishing the instruction was taught by Rener and organized like it is on GU.
Long time happy follower of your content 🤙
I completed my Combatives belt as an older out of shape guy that wouldn't cut it in most of the schools that tend to throw people into the fire. I legit loved the comprehensive fundamentals I learned from them and still remember a fair amount. It's going to be remembered as one of the best experience in my life 💯
So when I hear someone online talking crap about a school they probably never attended, they immediately lose all respect.
Sorry you even had to make a video like this, but someone has to speak up. Thanks for discussing the elephant in the room and also trying to avoid politics. I can tell you're an awesome Teacher/Coach/Professor. Thanks for being a terrific example 🤙
Trained at a Gracie University and a sport BJJ school at the same time. Personally, I'll say that the things I learned/re-learned at Gracie University made my overall technique worlds better.
Excellent video, Professor. Right on point. (Esp. the Judo Gene part)
Another great video!
the only problem i have with them is they keep on teaching some self defense techniques that were prooven to be either bad or don't work at all. rest is totally fine, they just need to update thier sd curriculum
Luta Livre means “free fight”, implying “no holds barred”
100% people gotta stop hating success.
Ryron and Rener are the best teachers regardless of subject I’ve encountered in my life. I’ve seen many a high level BJJ black belt/UFC fighters roll with Ryron or Rener & they look bewildered after their roll, even seen one highly respected guy have to tap to Ryron’s “side mount pressure;” it is eye opening…,so ya they are good at what they do & if they weren’t people wouldn’t go/purchase from them.
"Chances are they don't even know the guy"... this is a really amateur level argument. You don't have to know someone on a personal level to critique their actions. Their actions stand alone. You can agree or disagree with a person's actions without judging their character. He could be the world's nicest guy, that doesn't mean you automatically agree with everything he does. I lost a lot of respect for him with how disingenuous he was about Bravo/Royler II. Doesn't mean he isn't overall a good guy.
I only train Gracie academy/university affiliate and love it I was at Carlson gym to but very sport orientated much prefer the Gracie academy
Rener is a great person.
well put!
Well said sir!
Gene Lebell is a character, and story teller. He was a very successful stuntman, and if he was going around beating up his A-List stars like Seagal or Embarrassing Bruce Lee i imagie he wouldn't work in hollywood long. The Seagal thing was more of, let me get you in a full choke and see if you can escape not really a fight. Not many could get in a full choke and escape with a highly decorated black belt but even so Lebell added to it. As for Bruce. Lee loved learning as much as teaching, so Bruce showed him some things and Lebell showed Bruce. Once Bruce died thats when Lebell started adding to the story. I also read in Richard Bressler's book Lebell didn't want no part of any Gracie's when they were beating his students at his school. Also Bruce did learn from Lebell but he also learned a form of Jiu Jitsu from Wally Jay called small circle Jiu jitsu. Wally Jay was high ranking in Judo as well as Danzin Ryu Jiu Jitsu before founding the Small Circle style that implemented both among others. Gene Lebell likes to add to his own Legend but i. His defe se he was a Pro Wrestler as well.
Well said!
GU is a great tool! The instructions is better than most.
When Gracie University came out, I was an advanced white belt. I remember my coaches at the time saying they only started that when Helio died because he wouldn’t have stood for it. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but I think they were ahead of their time in using the internet as a way to teach through pre-recorded videos, and it made BJJ accessible to many people who live in rural areas with little to no options. I have to say I think it’s a bit of a fallacy to say that if someone doesn’t like someone, or what they’re doing, it necessarily means that they are envious of their success - nor does envy necessarily equal or derive from hate.
I love Gracie University, their overall approach for self-defense oriented Jiu-Jitsu is great and the online platform is excellent for people in remote locations like myself. I'm not the biggest fan of all the trademarking but it's understandable I guess.
Great video, I would say there definitely are people who are unconsciously hating on Rener because of his success, but it isn’t the only factor. There are people who just don’t do their research & think they are still letting people get to blue belt & beyond without pressure testing, which they aren’t after Rickson & others denounced it, just the Combatives Belt. There are also a lot of people who think it’s all Combatives, they don’t know about Master Cycle, & there are people who are salty because Rener is transforming his BJJ teaching to be more inclusive, promotions are more based on knowledge/ proficiency of techniques/ principles, & not if the coach thinks you can dominate others competitively (I have respect for those kind of school, but it isn’t for everyone).
I think there are also good & bad Gracie CTC, my CTC has an open roll after Master Cycle, but I have heard there are some that don’t ever really do full on rolling, which is bullshit to me.
In house is at least 50% more students than that. Envy and ignorance are spot on. These dudes work harder then anyone else and they reap what they sow.
Great online instructional. They teach principles not techniques. I learned alot from their online lessons. Renners personality is great, funny.
Ryron and Rener would both tap 99% of the people talking shit as well as their instructors.
Great 👍
I think GU does a great job, especially for beginners and helping low level people train with family and such at home. They have a phenomenal teaching method that helps others learn how to teach.
When people ask a way to learn martial arts at home, GU is my number one recommendation for any chance a person is basically going to have.
I'm very good at seperating any opinions of seperate issues. will I can acknowledge that some of the stuff to the side that they or notably Renner got into, like the famous court case and denigrating by default a large subset of JJ schools, was really crappy.
I'm sort of sad that happened, because whatever "hate" GU had as an online school or a non-sportive school, got eclipsed by the scandal. And recommending them now gets met with their sketchy "moral"? Choice in causing a harm to the JJ community.
I still recommend the value of their course, that imo within its context, can't be argued with. But that scandal? Made me sad.
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Is it an issue if someone uses the same shark photo for their logo as well?
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It’s clip art.
Luta livre literally means "free fighting". It's the Brazilan version of American wrestling.
At that time both luta livre and jiu-jitsu would use strikes in addition to grappling. Striking was part of the art.
Some of us still train that way.
kama aina jiu jitsu
I just started BJJ after doing Muay Thai for 3 years (I still do Muay Thai just added BJJ) is there any tips you can give a beginner I just did my second class today
ruclips.net/video/qdtqYEBgSsA/видео.htmlsi=sEWXjJMP4tXTc3ZB
FF to 3:00. ruclips.net/user/live8PMe-2BrsDo?si=l54d9nOg3NGaQMXs
@@KamaJiuJitsu thank you
You have two kinds of people who train BJJ. People who think you should give away your knowledge for free and teach anyone and people who think you should charge for what you know and be selective about who you teach. I'm the second type.
Luta livre roughly meant “free fighting.” They were the original no gi grappling gyms. They stated that the GJJ gyms were elitist and only trained the rich while they trained all people. They saw the gi almost as a symbol of elitism.
fight free = luta libre
I believe you're a good guy, you just keep repeating the lies of the Gracies and you don't feel like calling out the BS. It's fine. It's a little childish to consider different opinions universally as "hating", but that's fine too. Btw, luta livre was founded by Tatu who was a catch wrestler (and beat George Gracie). It's Brazilian Catch Wrestling and that tournament has nothing to do with modern MMA as far as GJJ vs "free fighting". If you want to see how well GJJ works in MMA, watch the actual GJJ "fighters" being completely irrelevant in the octagon as soon as people who knew how to fight came in 30 years ago. It's a fact, do I have to list the fights where they got embarrassed? I mean, all the way down to Rolles Gracie being KOed by Marius with a sloppy overhand. A former strongman.
The talk about fighting is totally crazy, you need to train in MMA to realize how insane what you said is. You need to take your opponent down to use jiu jitsu, how do you take down people who know wrestling? You get pieced up before you can clinch (because you can't strike) if you don't do MMA, if you can reach the clinch at all. Then? You pull guard where it's raining knuckles? Modern MMA fighters are not Dan Severn, almost nobody finishes people from the guard. Let's say he slips on a banana peel and you get on top, they spring back up in 3 seconds, BJJ doesn't teach people how to control the opponent to the level that's required today. You need to use leg rides, tilts, bars, and keep them down. That's wrestling though.
I mean, it's not like I'm making this stuff up, you can see it on TV on every UFC card. Including the ones Kron embarrassed himself on. I only talked about undisputable facts, these are not my conjectures or emotional responses AKA "hating".
MMA is not the same as Vale Tudo. Different rule set, altogether. But, I DO like MMA, as well.
And your points are all good/valid.
@@KamaJiuJitsu Sure, in MMA you have rounds so you can literally have your opponent in a rear naked and they stand you up when the bell rings. Still, in 5 minutes Kron showed no progression towards a possible win. It's very hard to argue that the result would have been different with no time limit. Actually, his heart may have gotten him permanent damage if that would have been the case. The old Gracie tactic of surviving because you're too close for the opponent to do damage until you find an opportunity is gone, people now don't make those big mistakes and they can create space to strike. Ground and pound has evolved, being on bottom is not a winning strategy and you take way more damage than in the vale tudo days due to the different level of fighters. The game has changed greatly.
Btw, vale tudo rules are not a real fight either. I know you didn't say that in this particular video, but the Gracies subtly make that claim and they present GJJ as king of the streets because of its vale tudo success. There's a reason why people made a circle around Rickson when he was fighting Duarte on the beach, he makes himself vulnerable to people jumping in and kicking him when he's down. You need boxing (at least) to stay away as much as possible, and the grappling to take people down and do your thing on the ground if you need to.
Don't know about the greed part...trained with a few GU students over the years... not great skills.. would rather train at a "normal" bjj school...
Your comments make no sense at all. Because of it's organized, methodical curriculum that emphasizes starting slowly and in a controlled manner, and not sparring right away, Gracie University attracts a certain type of student - older, less athletic, less physically fit. So just because you trained with a few GU students, and you found their skills to be subpar, that does not necessarily mean that their curriculum is bad. Do you understand what I'm saying?
It's like if Freddie Roach trained Manny Pacquiao and all of his other pro fighters in the morning at his gym. But in the evenings, he trained all of his older, "white collar" boxers who are just training for exercise and to get fit. So if you sparred with Freddie's white collar boxers, are you gonna say, "Freddie's fighters don't have very good skills."?🙄 Of course not. Freddie has different levels of boxers - elite pros in the morning, and people who are just looking for exercise in the evening. It's like Gracie University. Rener trained pro fighters like Brian Ortega. But he also trains average, everyday people as well.
Can't believe I had to explain all of this to you. It should be common sense.
@user-sg8kq7ii3y bot.
If people don't like Rener only because he's successful, why don't we see the same kind of reaction to people like Bernardo Faria, Gordon Ryan, and the Mendes brothers? Why don't we see the same kind of reaction to Craig Jones? If people only hate Rener's success, why doesn't that same hate apply to anyone else?
1. How do you know it doesn’t apply to the others?
2. I assume by your response, you’re NOT a Rener fan. Do you know him personally to base your opinion on?
People hate on Gordon Ryan all the time! It’s shocking how much hate he gets. I watched a video the other day about how Craig Jones was just a cry baby and really actually horrible in real life. Don’t believe any of it.
@@KamaJiuJitsu @KamaJiuJitsu
1. You couldn't make a video on "Why people hate Bernardo Faria" or "Why people hate Gui Mendes." You just couldn't. I couldn't either. There aren't enough people who hate them. Rener, on the other hand...
2. Did I say I didn't like Rener? I didn't. I never said anything about my opinion. You and I have both heard people talk about Rener. I've never heard anyone say anything about hating Rener because he's successful, and I'm pretty sure you haven't heard that either. Yes, there are people who don't like him. But it has NEVER been because he's successful. There are LOTS of successful people in BJJ who don't get this kind of reaction.
Can you guess why this is?
@@lancepraet I wouldn't say "all the time." Every pro athlete has his detractors. I don't think Gordon Ryan's detractors are out of the ordinary by pro athlete standards.
There’s lots of hate out there for Ryan, mendes (s*x with student allegations), Craig Jones (rude at seminars, ripping subs) and just about everybody out there.
Everybody loves Bernardo
The people who didn't like your father would not have gone to his funeral or told you bad experiences. Your mother probably wasn't lying.
What a useless comment
Exactly. The people at his father's funeral was a VERY biased sample of people. The ones who didn't like his father would not even waste their time going to his funeral. Or, if they went to his funeral out of obligation, they would likely not take the time to talk to the family. For people who have treated me well in life, I'd travel across the country, and spend lots of money on travel and hotel just to attend their funeral and to show my respect. For people who have consistently treated me poorly, I would not attend their funeral even if it were a 2-minute walk. I'm just being completely honest.
If I have the choice between a Gracie University Brown belt and a Dave Kama Black Belt. Pretty easy choice there for who I want to train under Especially when I watched their Facebook instructional videos they put out. That being said, they provide a value service to those that don’t have access and I cannot hate that!
Yup Bruce incorporated grappling into his curriculum because of Gene LeBell and Hayward Nishioka.
Now let's go back to the main topic. Everyone I know that is not fond of Gracie University specifically Rener and Ryron is because of the online/video belt promotions. This waters down the art making it more like what Taekwondo has become....a belt factory. It's quite obvious whenever one of these Gracie University students visits other reputable academies...they get handled. So yeah this system they have created selling belts and certifications has caused some hate.
You say you don't have a dog in this fight. But clearly you do. You are highly biased towards the Gracie family especially the Helio side.
You came from wealth. As you said your dad was loaded. I can imagine that lent itself to incredible privilege and opportunity. Just don't let that blind you from the reason most people are critical of Gracie University. It's not because they are jealous because of the Rener and Ryron's wealth as you assume.
Yay for you and your dad's money that you inherited and had the privilege of being raised with. Yay for the millions Gracie University is making by selling belts.
Regarding your emotion filled closing statement: Pure insecurity. Don’t shame others for their wealth. Only those beneath try to drag down with insults. Elevate above it, little guy.
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Regarding Belt Promotions (1-2):
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You appear to both overvalue and misunderstand the purpose of the technical blue belt. I train at a CTC and the only belt I’ve ever tested for was the Combatives Belt, or technical blue belt (over-glorified white belt compared to the blue belt). Having an in-between belt, distinguishing those who know more than the brand new white belt but significantly less than the flagship blue belt, is not an uncommon practice among gyms completely unaffiliated with GU, because it discourages advanced belts from beating up the novices to the point of membership cancellation and instead encourages them to act with grace and provide teaching opportunities on their mistakes during rolls. The technical belt, ultimately keeps the motivation of its students and limits the attrition of its students to keep the lights on at the facility.
Relating back to GU, the Combatives belt is simply to recognize that the basic, fundamental *techniques* of *their* specific self-defense oriented beginner program of jiu jitsu has been sufficiently engrained, not that they are an equal with a sportive blue who from white belt competed and advanced to blue belt. Again, it’s just an in-between belt to recognize adequate progress beyond the early stage white belt, far before the blue belt. The Combatives belt is available for online video submission, but again, this belt is still only a white belt, recognizing that one has understanding of the technical intricacies of core fundamental BJJ positions, and offensive/defensive techniques. I personally didn’t test online, but trained in person under a black belt who is required to maintain the testing integrity and confirmed I knew the intricate details to every technique.
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Unsurprisingly, you fell into the small box stereotype that Professor Ryan Young laid out regarding the blind casting of hate without true understanding. Per GU official website, “[…] even though Gracie University will provide a complete training path for dedicated at-home students, from white to black belt, in order to maintain the integrity of the Gracie University belt system, all official belt promotions, from blue to black, can only be earned via live testing at a Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Certified Training Centers”. In case you can’t comprehend the provided excerpt: White to Black belt curriculum available online for all, but Blue to Black belt attainment requires in-person observation, discretion, and testing.
The blue belt imposes additional requirements beyond the initial white to Combatives belt journey. Requirements of a MINIMUM 100 additional hours for classes, a MINIMUM additional year duration, AND, *most* importantly, additional instructor discretion BEYOND the minimum, are enforced. For my school, this does not necessitate additional fees. The misconception that blue belts and above are still being handed out may be due to the fact that the Gracie brothers have kept online materials accessible for a subscription, however, it’s been a significant amount of time since they decided to completely phase out the online testing and made the requirement to test in person. Not since their decision with Rickson, Pedro Sauer and other notable related Gracie family members, have the brothers continued the outdated practice of completely online testing w/o rolling.
Regarding the Argument of Reputability:
You made a loaded statement concerning reputability. Reputability in what sense? Context surrounding GU’s promoted techniques, target demographic, and their ultimate mission is critical.
GU’s ultimate goal with the Combatives program and overarching principle is to provide a generally successful strategy to SURVIVE, not dominate and impose one’s will, and provide it to those who need it the most. By comparing the outcomes of rolls from sportive school against that of GU students isn’t comparing apples to apples.
“But, GU students suck against MMA practitioners! Why not teach students pure MMA techniques?” Because it’s cutting out those who need the guidelines for unskilled confrontation the most, which are those who are smaller and typically aren’t predisposed to meet the stressors of more athletic demands of MMA.
The purpose of the testing is *one* of their methods of tracking progress beyond what is typical for the sportive jiu jitsu counterpart, in which indicators of progression are more cookie cutter and can more easily be observed through competitive track records.
I’ve traveled throughout the US and visited many gyms. We are more similar than we are different. Heck, we even cover the more sportive techniques like Berimbolo’s and Donkey Guard. But people like you purposely keep the divide and prevent unity for us as a community. Be better lil guy.
Nope. My DAD had money. I was raised by mom. Lived in Hawaii housing project (Red Hill) for a bit. Bounced around living in small apartments, and crashing here and there when mom had tough time making ends meet. Ate mostly rice, eggs, ramen noodles (aka saimin), and canned meat.
But judge all you want. I’m no longer physically and mentally “there” anymore.
Sucks for you that you seem trapped in that mentally, still.
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