The Short Game pt. 2, w/ Help of a Pro Player! (TB EP. 12)
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- For my previous video on the short game, I had planned to add a keypoint on how to step in properly. I didn't plan, however, that I was not going to find any proof for my logic. That's why I had to call in the help of a pro, who helped me explain the issue clearly.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:49 - Draft video
04:12 - Why was it wrong?
06:09 - 1st part by Patrick Franziska
08:00 - Explanation 1
09:26 - Heel or forefoot? By Franziska
10:06 - Explanation 2
12:20 - 3rd part by Franziska
13:32 - Recap
14:53 - Outro
Big thanks to Patrick for clarifying!
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Love Patrick Francisca. Him and Dima both played exceptionally well in the doubles at Doha, well done to both players.
I'd also be interested to hear about what sort of physical training he does because his legs are massive!
Hi Olav, thank you for a nice video and big respect to Patrick!
I saw some footages from chinese coaches where they emphasize on using forefoot when step in as a key point. At least they teach players from grassroot level to get used to this technic.
Really love all the vids! Would love a video on simple setups for different player types. Something like short forhand long backhand setups for good backhand players and so on. Either way, keep it up! Really informative videos :)
Wow this is so interesting! Thanks to both of you! More videos with Pros please
I try the best I can, but my network isn't amazing either :)
happy new year!!!! And thank you for the video!!
Patrick Fransica and Dimitrij Ovtcharov are probably my two favorite non chinese conventional players currently playing! I say conventional because I am a sucker for the weirdos out there, like Mattias Falck the short pips smasher, and the various choppers still playing (my goat is the korean hero Joo Sae Hyuk!).
Thnx
awesome!
olav is the best.
On another note, here is a topic that nobody writes or talks about in detail; how to maintain serve variation.
I have found that this has the biggest impact on games and varies over the match.
You could argue that even a beginner could do this but in reality even professionals struggle to maintain this (Timo Boll being a notable exception with his micro variation)
So it should be simple, arguably I could get a total beginner to write a list of 100 serves describing variations of spin and placement, but most players variation shrinks dramatically under pressure or when tired - at least in my experience.
How can we develop more consistency in being inconsistent with our serves?
Dan
Maybe a good idea for a video. In my MA video of FZD vs. Alexis Lebrun, I touched on the contrast in serve variation between the two towards the end of the match.
Anyway, I believe/from my own experience, it's because you don't want too many surprises in those moments. By serving a certain serve which has been proven to work in the specific match context + a serve that you're probably fmailiar and comfortable with, the possible receives of the opponent are limited. At least, that's what you might think, it's definitely not 100% the case.
So both have their upsides and downsides. By serving the same towards the end, you'll get more predictable patterns as the outcome, but you'll also be more predictable yourself. By keeping your serve varied, the opponent can't really get comfortable, but neither can you...
@OlavKTTT So what you say about not getting comfortable yourself and the reduction in variability reflects my own experience - HOWEVER, I don't think it should. I feel it is from a lack of training and preparation on my part. If we have 6 primary serve types/locations that we are very competent at delivering consistently and very competent at returning the likely response, then that is enough variability especially if we add a minor change such as speed or spin amount to that location. I think it's only a problem at key points to serve a new serve action or spin type (suddenly a no spin that we may not be so good at dealing with the return, or a short or long serve that we don't normally do) where we break down. There is so much scope for variation that our variability should not break down at key points and that we should not have to resort to going outside our comfort zone to maintain variability. I say this, because during the positive areas of a match, the variability is high, and so is our responses to serve returns - so it's more psychological then ability! I hope that makes sense - wonder what you think 🤔🙄
We want more video
Another fantastic video Olaf - you are doing amazing to do this in depth quality stuff which is really missing in the table tennis world online.
I couldn't help but wonder if the real reason of why people step with forefoot or heel is how far they step! Longer steps may require the heel for distance! What do you think?
Dan
That's maybe a better way of explaining than I attempted at about 10:30. I think you'll never see someone stepping in forefoot-first when they're really late, but they'll do it more often when there isn't too much distance to travel with 1 step. However, some will still step in heel-first in that last situation.
Maybe one more thing, is that when someone takes an extra step when stepping in, like at 09:18, they'll do it more often landing with the forefoot first.
Yes that makes sense @OlavKTTT , because a smaller distance is traversed when the other foot assists to close the gap. I believe both feet moving and hence NOT landing with heel is preferrable and more stable as it prevents lurching - chances are that if you take a big step, you are not close enough so you will be more likely to reach and not have your chest close enough to the ball. Appreciate your analytics 😉 Looking forward to the next video.
Great video! I started playing late and only played for a few years, so still learning a lot. I used to play badminton and there is a similar step when you move into the net. This step you always land with your heal but the issue is when the step gets too long, then you loose strength to be able to push back and you also lose the ability to use the forefoot to push back.
Do you change grip when playing Forrfand ,and then backhand
Yeah, a little bit. Don't exaggerate with that though.