Could spirituality help you understand yourself so you can break out of the loop in the mind to create independent agency? What is causing someone to want to intuitively break a loop that has been previously programmed to be part of a hive and not have independent agency? Is it just another programming that was activated because of environmental factors, or is it just a random mutation? I loved Spirited Away by Mr. Miyazaki ❤ Thank you 🙏
Could we ever have supply chains that supports the type of material sciences & technology to build a replica of the human species as we know it? This is very unlikely due to the horizon paradoxes in evolutionary mythology and how we have to incrementally metaphysically build up our frame of reference how we see fit. It would not meet the needs and demands of optimization of the existing human species as we know it. You can definitely destroy the flesh and pervert it with lots of miss guided short cuts. You could destroy the mind dope perception like matrix and tell the cogs in the wheel you did when really a meglamanic didn't. We can get close to answers but it will always be short of understanding how "love" can be devided in/individual idealistic objects legibility & readability of love encoded in subjective space between and in a physical environment . We can scrape the surface with an umbrella of statistical anylitics.
I don’t like how he’s decided to define consciousness, because it applies to trees and the like as he says, which is clearly different from the kind of experience we have, which we would like to understand specifically. It only muddles the discussion and makes people argue semantics rather than the deeper questions.
@@dannywest8843 you have to be precise about your terms before you can ask the deeper questions. The ‘thing that we and trees share’ is not nearly precise enough.
Deeper stuff? Please, tell me what would be deeper stuff, I cannot figure out what would be deeper than consciousness of everything we can imagine, explanations why religions, even God or gods exist...
I don't get how you can define consciousness, which is in itself a wishy washy concept that doesn't have a clear operational definition, in terms of other wishy washy concepts like coherence etc. I suspect our concept of consciousness is an artefact of how we construct concepts with our limited understanding of neuroscience, just like people used to believe in a supernatural being named zeus that was responsible for making the weather. Imo the only way to really understand the rough and opaque 'consciousness' symbol is through hard neuroscientific research.
He formalises coherence as the minimisation of constraint violations, actually there was another very recent talk with him on the protocol labs RUclips channel where he goes more in depth into consciousness
He still underestimates Christianities insights into these matters. Its goal precisely is liberating peoples conscious observer from their self-world-model and emotions, raising them into "heaven". Therefore the son (of the mind/generator function), the self, has to die, to be born again on a "higher sphere". The god he talks about only is the childrens version, installed by Christian Elders into the next generation as the latest seed ontology, which they are supposed to eventually grow out of and see it for what it is as they go through a successful initiation ritual or an other death-rebirth-process (involving some version of hell, if they got into some kind of trap of emotions, ego or the like...). But the god of mature Christians is a very different one, he is the eternal ground of the universe (and mind), that from which all patterns emerge (and from which you are NOT supposed to make an image (model) of, since you will never be able to grasp it). And what those Christians do is trying to read and understand "gods ways" and "gods will", the deepest dynamics of the universe, which mostly is something like what in science is called "complex systems dynamics". And this is what they then repackage in a way that the children (young and adult ones) can grasp at whatever stage of development they are in. But yes, many never get out of the "child stage", and many get lost in the rational stage, so they still cling to such an image of god... If you talk to a Christian you always need to be aware what developmental level he is on. And the priests not necessarily always are the highest developed ones, and it depends on the regional and local sects too, but this knowledge is still there, and always will be there with more mature Christians, since it is encoded in the stories, and the truths they contain get reexperienced and rediscovered again and again, from generation to generation, and augmented by new insights.
Are 51% of Christianity the way you describe it in the adult/mature ways or are 51% still children? Please note my understanding of maturity as taking a model and using it to understand causality for a faster adaptation and application of the model in a more precise way specific to environmental changes. While children who use it to correlate emotional connection/acceptances/integration to the agent/person of authority from which the model was copied from irrespective to the level of succes with the application of the model in his own life journey.
big thanks for the upload 👍
19:00 the topic on sound vs heat is mindblowing
Thx for upload it to yt ❤❤
when a video with joscha drops o.O :)
phantastic, especially the first 45 minutes
thank you for uploading 😊
He's had a lot of fun generating images from AI :P
lets gooo
Man, wish the audio was better :/
58:25 The AGI Parenting styles is ridiculous! Lmao
your hair is wild
Could spirituality help you understand yourself so you can break out of the loop in the mind to create independent agency? What is causing someone to want to intuitively break a loop that has been previously programmed to be part of a hive and not have independent agency? Is it just another programming that was activated because of environmental factors, or is it just a random mutation? I loved Spirited Away by Mr. Miyazaki ❤ Thank you 🙏
Hallucinogenics will break loops
New Age is trying out psilocybin.
audio is appalling
Could we ever have supply chains that supports the type of material sciences & technology to build a replica of the human species as we know it? This is very unlikely due to the horizon paradoxes in evolutionary mythology and how we have to incrementally metaphysically build up our frame of reference how we see fit.
It would not meet the needs and demands of optimization of the existing human species as we know it.
You can definitely destroy the flesh and pervert it with lots of miss guided short cuts.
You could destroy the mind dope perception like matrix and tell the cogs in the wheel you did when really a meglamanic didn't.
We can get close to answers but it will always be short of understanding how "love" can be devided in/individual idealistic objects legibility & readability of love encoded in subjective space between and in a physical environment .
We can scrape the surface with an umbrella of statistical anylitics.
I don’t like how he’s decided to define consciousness, because it applies to trees and the like as he says, which is clearly different from the kind of experience we have, which we would like to understand specifically. It only muddles the discussion and makes people argue semantics rather than the deeper questions.
i feel your point argues semantics instead of deeper questions
@@dannywest8843 you have to be precise about your terms before you can ask the deeper questions. The ‘thing that we and trees share’ is not nearly precise enough.
@@anywallsocket for a formal world-changing paradigm shift peer reviewed paper or a 60 minute talk for 15 students?
@@dannywest8843 both
Deeper stuff? Please, tell me what would be deeper stuff, I cannot figure out what would be deeper than consciousness of everything we can imagine, explanations why religions, even God or gods exist...
I don't get how you can define consciousness, which is in itself a wishy washy concept that doesn't have a clear operational definition, in terms of other wishy washy concepts like coherence etc. I suspect our concept of consciousness is an artefact of how we construct concepts with our limited understanding of neuroscience, just like people used to believe in a supernatural being named zeus that was responsible for making the weather. Imo the only way to really understand the rough and opaque 'consciousness' symbol is through hard neuroscientific research.
He formalises coherence as the minimisation of constraint violations, actually there was another very recent talk with him on the protocol labs RUclips channel where he goes more in depth into consciousness
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He still underestimates Christianities insights into these matters. Its goal precisely is liberating peoples conscious observer from their self-world-model and emotions, raising them into "heaven". Therefore the son (of the mind/generator function), the self, has to die, to be born again on a "higher sphere". The god he talks about only is the childrens version, installed by Christian Elders into the next generation as the latest seed ontology, which they are supposed to eventually grow out of and see it for what it is as they go through a successful initiation ritual or an other death-rebirth-process (involving some version of hell, if they got into some kind of trap of emotions, ego or the like...). But the god of mature Christians is a very different one, he is the eternal ground of the universe (and mind), that from which all patterns emerge (and from which you are NOT supposed to make an image (model) of, since you will never be able to grasp it). And what those Christians do is trying to read and understand "gods ways" and "gods will", the deepest dynamics of the universe, which mostly is something like what in science is called "complex systems dynamics". And this is what they then repackage in a way that the children (young and adult ones) can grasp at whatever stage of development they are in. But yes, many never get out of the "child stage", and many get lost in the rational stage, so they still cling to such an image of god... If you talk to a Christian you always need to be aware what developmental level he is on. And the priests not necessarily always are the highest developed ones, and it depends on the regional and local sects too, but this knowledge is still there, and always will be there with more mature Christians, since it is encoded in the stories, and the truths they contain get reexperienced and rediscovered again and again, from generation to generation, and augmented by new insights.
Are 51% of Christianity the way you describe it in the adult/mature ways or are 51% still children?
Please note my understanding of maturity as taking a model and using it to understand causality for a faster adaptation and application of the model in a more precise way specific to environmental changes. While children who use it to correlate emotional connection/acceptances/integration to the agent/person of authority from which the model was copied from irrespective to the level of succes with the application of the model in his own life journey.