Why I Prefer Pre-2012 Era MCU (Original Version) | video essay
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- (4/13/24): Looking back at this video, I wish the structure was a little better. While everything I say is true to how I feel, it’s a little disorganized in that I talk a lot about characters and don’t dive into the whole “style/atmosphere” thing enough. Like there’s no straight narrative and it comes off as nitpicky in some areas. So I have made an alternate cut that’s less rambly and clearer in what my issue is: • Why I Prefer Pre-2012 ...
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Many people’s problem with the MCU these days seems to lie within story, writing, word building, tone, etc. Citing how it went downhill after Endgame. But for me personally, it went downhill long before that when Disney came in with Avengers, and fully fell by GotG and AoU.
My main point in this video is talking about how the art style has changed ever since after 2011. How the movies went from a more Dark-Knight-type style with less CGI, shakier camera, a darker saturation/palette, more soulful music, and a more grounded/realistic world, to more vibrant colors, more CGI, a cleaner look, whackier costumes, old cartoon physics, generic music, and a world that’s overall more akin to the comic books in terms of how silly and cartoony everything is. How this shift is overall less captivating for me in general as a fan of the more grounded direction.
All in all this video isn’t an argumentative essay video as much as it’s just a lone guy sharing how he personally feels about the movies. I’m not trying to start a debate. I just want to see who feels the same since this isn’t something I see very many people talk about.
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AI voices are from ElevenLabs (keep in mind that I can’t properly control the emotion within the voices, so I apologize if it comes off as angry in some parts. I’m mostly just disappointed and sad, not at all angry or hateful).
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0:00 Intro/Context
2:47 Why I Love Phase 1
12:14 How It Changed
19:46 Hulk
21:37 Thor
25:33 Iron Man
27:27 Endgame to Now
34:54 Conclusion
40:41 DC
#marvel #mcu #disney
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(4/8/24) Looking back at this video, I wish the structure was a little better. While everything I say is true to how I feel, it’s a little disorganized in that I talk a lot about characters and don’t dive into the whole “style/atmosphere” thing enough. Like there’s no straight narrative and it comes off as nitpicky in some areas. So I have made an alternate cut that’s less rambly and clearer in what my issue is: ruclips.net/video/jvBIe8O0JZg/видео.htmlsi=5JjEWObLLWYlsTaa
What do you think of Zack Synder’s Justice League?
@@trevturp6891 Kind of touched on it in the video, but to give a more detailed description: I don’t hate it and I think it’s decent, but it’s not as good as Man of Steel or Batman v Superman UE.
For me it has the same problem as Avengers in that it’s suddenly filmed like a TV show in contrast to its predecessor films, and it gets a little more superhero-y (especially towards the end). Not to any degree of the Avengers (or the 2017 JL), but it’s noticeable when you compare it to the other two. I wish Nolan and Hans Zimmer had also worked on the film because I think their departure was what largely lead to the changes (among other things). Nonetheless, I still consider it the last decent DC film before-like modern Marvel-DC went the live action cartoon route.
I agree with you. The Phase 1 MCU had that unique 2000s Fast and Furious/Transformers/X-Men/Nolan Batman-like style and atmosphere, that I really enjoyed, it was realistic and grounded for the most part, yet still felt exciting and riveting.
Marvel is like Power Rangers where both franchises started off by balancing the tone between Serious & Comedy art style. But both Franchises got into a refreshing downfall thanks to Disney with Ninja Storm & The Avengers.
Basically movies I could watch with my father and feel inspired, badass at the end, nowadays it was a kid toned thing
Paramount Marvel Movies & Post-Zordon Era Power Rangers Seasons:
- Serious, Grounded, Dark, but keeping the Lighthearted routes.
Disney Marvel Movies & Nickelodeon Era Power Rangers seasons:
- Wacky, Cringe Jokes & The Overussage Kid-Friendly Tone.
@@KamenRiderNextDecadeand the things are worst in Kamen Rider now,they have the same problem with the MCU,the people only wants to see Fanservice and Crossovers (returning actors from previous series)
Recently,there were rumors of Decade returning as Legend in the Gotchard VS Legend Special,today the trailer out and result that he's not Legend
The thing is that in a Latin Discord Server on Kamen Rider,there we're a Decade Fanboy who was hating so much on Toei just because Tsukasa was not Legend,i said him that not everything is about fanservice and he said that i'm a Decade Hater just because i said him there we're not totally guarantee of Tsukasa being Legend,i just went out of that Server in the end
I see now how the Kamen Rider Fans are so blind like the MCU and DCEU ones,they only want's to see fanservice with less context instead of give a chance to the new characters that can be interesting.....
Sorry is this was unnecesary but i just wanted to vent,have a good time
@@KamenRiderNextDecade You know, I don't get the answer I put here either.
@@KamenRiderNextDecade I mean the answer I posted doesn't appear in my RUclips, but I do remember what I posted
Really hope they can at least make some projects more grounded, realistic and gritty style again if not all. Their movies/shows now are too bright, jokey and very much all look the same 🤞🏿 dope video btw
Joss Whedon is a stain on pop culture. Not only did he ruin the MCU and DCEU, but he also infected his awful humor everywhere.
“Dark and Gritty” used to be the main complaint, now things are too colorful and safe. But most of phase one, and Snyders DC trilogy were a great balance we will probably not experience again.
I completely agree with EVERYTHING stated in this video ! I,TOO, noticed all of these changes and all !
The problem is NOT MARVEL nor DC, but with studios such as MODERN "DISNEY" and bad directors like Joss Whedon, James Gunn, and Taika Waitiki ! The excessive use of CGI effects and the incessant need for adding forced comedy into these live-action comic book superhero movies have damaged the brand and all !
Then I assume you hate all the Avengers movies as well.. I mean, Iron Man was ok back then, but certainly NOT on the same level as the Dark Knight or certain X-men films. The rest of the movies was very "meh" (at least back then). It was Avengers that sold it! And that came from Disney
James Gunn isn't a bad director.
Joss Whedon and Taika Waitiki can make good movies, so I don't think that they're bad directors.
Jon Bernthal said that he won’t return as Punisher, if The Punisher is bastardized in The MCU and since Bernthal is returning as Punisher in The MCU, they won’t bastardize The Punisher, however they will bastardize Jessica Jones and the other serious Marvel superheroes from the Pre Disney Plus Marvel live actions shows and the comics, like they did with The Hulk and Daredevil.
Not saying this will happen with Jon Bernthal's Punisher, but studios can always lie or deceive their hired contractors about honoring their requests; especially if it's unwritten and something they have no real interest in doing, they really just need them to sign the dotted line on the contract they wrote so they can use their services. Charlie Cox's Daredevil and Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin were pretty bastardized in She-Hulk and Hawkeye, respectively, and they are going to appear in the Echo series, which is said to be terrible.
I have given each Marvel franchise a different genre if it were owned by Paramount.
1. *Spider-Man* : Crime/Thriller - A gritty and street-level take on Spider-Man's adventures, focusing on his struggles against organized crime in New York City. The tone would be darker and more intense, with elements of mystery and suspense.
2. *Iron Man* : Political/Techno-Thriller - Iron Man's stories could explore geopolitical conflicts, corporate espionage, and ethical dilemmas related to technology and power. The tone would be suspenseful and thought-provoking, with a focus on intrigue and conspiracy.
3. *Hulk* : Psychological Horror/Thriller - Hulk's stories could delve into the psychological toll of his transformations and the horror of being pursued by those who fear him. The tone would be tense and unsettling, with elements of psychological horror and suspense.
4. *Captain America* : War/Action-Drama - Captain America's adventures could focus on his experiences in World War II and the moral complexities of war. The tone would be dramatic and emotionally resonant, with themes of sacrifice, honor, and heroism. As in the modern day, well it'll probably have the same tone as Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Civil War and it'll probably focus more on it's political side.
5. *Thor* : Mythological/Fantasy Adventure - Thor's stories could embrace the fantastical elements of Norse mythology and explore epic quests and battles against cosmic threats. The tone would be grand and epic, with a sense of wonder and adventure.
6. *Guardians of the Galaxy* : Space Opera/Adventure - Guardians of the Galaxy's adventures could take place across the cosmos, exploring strange worlds, alien civilizations, and cosmic mysteries. The tone would be adventurous and humorous, with a blend of action and comedy. Though the jokes are more casualized than what Disney did.
7. *The Avengers* : Superhero Team-Up/Action - The Avengers' stories could focus on high-stakes team-up missions to protect the world from existential threats. The tone would be action-packed and adrenaline-fueled, with epic battles and dynamic character interactions. Yeah it's probably the same.
8. *Doctor Strange* : Occult/Mystical Horror - Doctor Strange's stories could delve into the dark and mysterious corners of the supernatural world, exploring eldritch horrors and cosmic mysteries. The tone would be eerie and atmospheric, with elements of horror and mysticism.
9. *Black Panther* : Political/Action-Drama - Black Panther's stories could explore the political intrigue and power struggles of the fictional nation of Wakanda, as well as T'Challa's responsibilities as both king and superhero. The tone would be dramatic and politically charged, with themes of identity, legacy, and social justice.
10. *X-Men* : Sci-Fi/Action-Drama - X-Men's stories could focus on the societal implications of mutant abilities and the struggle for acceptance and equality. The tone would be dramatic and socially relevant, with themes of prejudice, identity, and belonging.
11. *Fantastic Four* : Science Fiction/Adventure - Fantastic Four's stories could embrace the exploration of the unknown and the wonders of science, as the team ventures into other dimensions and encounters strange phenomena. The tone would be adventurous and optimistic, with a sense of exploration and discovery.
These are just speculative genre shifts based on the potential creative directions that Paramount might have taken with these Marvel franchises. The actual execution would depend on the decisions of the filmmakers, writers, and studio executives involved.
James Mangold can make the tone of The Swamp Thing Movie from The Gunnverse whatever he wants it to be, so maybe that movie will have a dark and gritty realistic tone and art style. And the same thing is undoubtedly going to happen with Batman The Brave And The Bold.
One thing I missed from The Incredible Hulk was when Bruce Banner was turning into the Hulk, his eyes glowed green. But from Avengers 2012 onwards, this doesn’t happen in the MCU again. It would be a nice callback for Bruce’s eyes to glow green when he says “I’m always angry”.
Why did i hear Fred Tatasciore instead of Edward Norton ?
I wish Paramount bought Marvel instead of Disney.
Yeah, same. I think it’s still possible that at some point they would’ve gone the colorful route like Disney (and every other company), but I think they definitely would’ve been consistent with the Iron Man 1 art style for much longer before that would ever happen.
@@anomaly395 I was in my late teens when Iron Man came out. All Marvel movies under Paramount was considered mediocre to bad. Not nearly on the same level as The Dark Knight, X-men or Sam Rami's Spider Man. It was Avengers, specifically, that catapulted MCU to super phenomenon.
It's always easy to look back and go "oh, things were much better then". But truth is, we may not have had any MCU at all, if Disney didn't make those changes. Sure, they can always go back to change it to what it used to be! But the different route kinda had to happen
@@Chemical_Argentum I wasn’t saying they were the same quality as those films, I’m talking about the art style that the MCU films used to have was similar to those movies (not Raimi but the rest), and that movie series like those kept a consistent art style. The darker colors, less CGI, etc. I’m well aware that people thought most of the phase 1 movies in general were mediocre except for Iron Man, but I disagree. I genuinely like them more then what we have now in terms of the art style they used to have, and it’s sad to me that they’re seen as mediocre.
It’s not just a nostalgia thing, as for a long time as I said in the video I had forgotten about/disregarded those movies. I remember watching them young but I don’t have significant memories with them. Growing older my feelings and opinions have simply changed as I come to understand movies better (I was a kid to young teen from Dark World to Endgame mind you). And if you ask me I’d rather have no MCU then keep getting movies like what we have now. It’s not about how successful they are, it’s about quality over quantity.
@@anomaly395 Don't get me wrong, I am not saying you're wrong with your statements! I too like the dark tone and more practical effects. The grand CGI action feast, that it's become, sure it's fun! But I've been abit critical about that, as well. Already with GotG, I felt like that! It was an entertaining turn off your brain flick, but at the same time I thought "I'm not sure it'll age that well, considering the amount of CGI", and that trend continued
Of course I am not gonna judge the fact that your opinion has changed since you were a kid :D I was just simply saying that I remember from my teen years that those early movies were seen as mediocre at best (Iron Man 2 was panned big time!), not nearly as major as other Superhero franshises. It was Avengers that catapulted it, and it's been remaining the flagships, really. And also, about what I said in terms of nostalgia, it's very common that movies aren't liked when they're new, but become way more popular as time goes. And that's the case with the early Marvel films
Oh, so it was more of a general statement. My mistake (I wasn’t angry at your comment, I just interpreted it differently). Well in that case, yes, it’s true that the general audience’s negative opinions of the movies may have further instigated the change from grounded to cartoony. And of course since it’s all about the money, it was a necessary change in that aspect. But unfortunately for people like me who are in the minority, that means we lose the movies we like.
And yeah, I’m aware of the nostalgia thing. I don’t know if for other people there’s a nostalgia factor in it, but I know that for me personally it’s a genuine liking. Before I had rewatched the phase 1 movies earlier in the year, I couldn’t even remember all of what happened in them. I never had any significant memories with them, I just remember my mom having them on DVD and putting them on. It was pretty much like I was truly watching them for the first time, and that’s when my perspective changed. Tbh I’ve always been someone who’s more into grounded/realistic stuff.
Norton's Hulk is pretty much like Comicbook Hulk he is heroic and a bit smarter which is why i like The Incredible Hulk.
Let me mention three points:
1. I highly appreciate that you mentioned off the bat that you are not talking as a movie critic. This video is not a review of MCU as much as it is a guy talking about his preference, while still recognizing the the other movies can be good or even great even if you do not like the style. That is professionalism right there!
2. The Guardians films, as films on their own, are good in my opinion. Also, the Loki series, at least in its second season, does not feel like Phase 1 or like anything in the MCU. However, it does have a mostly serious tone, which is appropriate since the characters are going through a philosophical experience.
3. It is clear that you are not a comic book fan, and that is fine. To me all those aliens, worlds, and whacky ideas are welcomed, but I would rather have all of those elements to be taken seriously.
That is all!
42:22 Yes i can relate to you with that man. The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes was a good show but then it got cancelled just for a another Avengers show that is taking inspirations from the MCU.
According to Screen Rant, Kevin Fuck also cancelled Cloak and Dagger. So, because of him, a great show got cancelled.
That's why I want him to retire after the MCU is inevitably rebooted. He holds way too much power within Marvel, and the brand has suffered because of it. He isn't creative compared to the likes of Favreau, Whedon, Gunn, or the Russo Brothers, and without Ike Perlmutter there to keep him in check, and he clearly isn't doing well without them.
What app did you use for the AI voice ?
It's listed in the description
According to Screen Rant, there were new upcoming Marvel live action tv shows (that had nothing to do with Marvel Studios and Disney, like The Pre Disney+ Marvel live action tv shows) coming out that were going to be made, but got cancelled, because of Kevin Fuck. So if it weren't for Feige, we would have gotten more live action Marvel tv shows that could have continued the artstyle of Phase 1, Winter Soldier, Civil War, Black Panther, Doctor Strange, and Ironman 3.
Thank God he didn't have creative control on TV shows like Agents of SHIELD, Daredevil, or The Punisher.
Very good video. I've had the same issues with Marvel ever since Disney took over but I do think it's all a matter of personal preference. I wasn't the biggest fan of the first Thor movie as I thought the realistic nature of the shared Marvel universe at the time was holding back some of the more fantastical elements of that character. That being said, as much I enjoyed Thor Ragnarock, I think it was a severe overcorrection as I didn't feel any sense of danger for any of the main characters whatsoever. I think Marvel was and still is having a hard time trying to establish a firm middle ground balancing all these characters from various genre backgrounds and now they're at a point where tone wise, everything has to be a joke. I think a balance between serious, realistic and the fantastical has to be established, the first Iron Man as well as Captain America and the Winter Soldier did this very well. Of all the Disney + Marvel Shows I did enjoy the Loki Tv Show, and the first episode of Moon Knight, everything else, including Wandavision, felt uninteresting. (Again, it all comes down to personal preference).
I miss how Thor acts in Phase 1 to Phase 2 (also in Infinity War)
You forgot to put the other Pre Disney Plus Marvel live action shows on your tier list, like Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, and Cloak and Dagger.
I did actually, it’s just that I only showed a part of the tier list for the video. The full tier list is on my community page.
Good video and I agree with every word. Here's my own personal list on how Marvel can fix themselves up and hopefully it happens in the future, I wanted to share for a while but hope you might agree to it;
1. They have to cut ties with Disney, I know, sounds crazy but it's true. Ever since Endgame, Disney had somehow, someway pressure/forced Marvel into making god-awful content that nobody ask for (except for a few shows/movies), never allowing them to take any risks on creating good-storytelling anymore, rewriting good characters into unlikable/hateful jerks for no reason and hiring bad writers who clearly don't know the characters/comics very well. They have to end they're distribution deal with them for good and go to another company that can be more trustful then Disney (my vote's on Paramount, possibly Sony or Universal). In my opinion, I never liked the idea of Disney owning Marvel. 'Cause their "family-friendly" brand company and I don't think they're fitfull for this type of franchise, but after seen the disaster that phase 4, this clearly proves it.
2. They have to cancel the MCU. It's gotten so messy that it they should've just let the franchise end in Endgame but choose to continue without thinking this through. But since the damaged is done, they're gonna have to either cut down the entire content they've put or have to cancel all of this upcoming movies and shows. They have good potential but they have to let them go and move on to do something interesting
3. Reboot the franchise. If they want to continue making movies and shows, they have to reboot the entire marvel universe with an already established universe (like James Gunn's DCU but on their own way) while adding other characters who never appear in the previous universe (like the X-Men, FF, Runaways, Defenders, Young Avengers, Inhumans, Power Pack, etc). But at the same time, think about the timeline to line it up perfectly, hired better writers that actually knows the comics, good directors with creative vision, let them have some creative control (not too much control) and try to tackle different genres for storytelling.
4. Create standalone/team-up shows (like the CW's DC shows) or Elseworld anthology shows as a way to tell the stories in a proper way while create movies for a bigger event in the franchise's storyline.
I agree with alot that you are saying, but I think this darker style to colorful is movie evolution in general,, rewatch the punisher, that movie is so realistic and dark, compared to blue beatle,
Late response but honestly it does seem that way. A lot of franchises as I’ve noticed seem to start off grounded and realistic with a darker art style before going the fun and colorful route (something I enjoy pointing out). It’s a common trend not only with movies but other media like video games too. It’s pretty sad to me.
I agree 100 percent
Here is my Paramount MCU:
Phase 1:
2008:
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
2009:
Wolverine: Weapon X
2010:
Iron Man 2
X-Men: First Class
2011:
Fantastic Four
Thor
Captain America: The First Avenger
2012:
The Avengers
The Amazing Spider-Man
Phase 2:
2013:
Iron Man 3
X-Men: Mutant Massacre
Thor: The Dark World
2014:
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
The Amazing Spider-Man 2
Fantastic Four: Doom
2015:
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Wolverine: The Silver Samurai
Phase 3:
2016:
Deadpool
Captain America: Civil War
Doctor Strange
2017:
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
The Amazing Spider-Man 3
Planet Hulk
Thor: Ragnarok
2018:
Black Panther
Fantastic Four: Negative Zone
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant-Man and the Wasp
2019:
Captain Marvel: Kree-Skrull War
X-Men: Dark Phoenix
Avengers: Endgame
The Amazing Spider-Man 4
Shows:
2013:
Agents of Shield
2014:
Agent Carter
2015:
Daredevil
Jessica Jones
2016:
Luke Cage
Iron Fist
2017:
The Inhumans
The Defenders
The Punisher
2018:
Cloak and Dagger
2019:
Ghost Rider
So movies like Thor: Ragnarok, Infinity War, Endgame, and Guardians would be toned down and as you can see there's TASM, Fantastic 4, a Hulk sequel, and X-Men why i put them ? Because its paramount and with Disney not buying Marvel, Sony wouldn't have a hard time working with Marvel (sort of) and Fox and Universal would work with Paramount and Marvel to put the X-Men, Daredevil and Fantastic 4. Also the disney plus marvel shows would be called paramount+ marvel shows. So yeah its better when Marvel is with a more mature studio with mature contents and plus, imagine if we get a Marvel and Transformers crossover ?
@@KamenRiderNextDecade Look pal I'm not gonna force myself to put everything X-Men: Apocalypse is way bigger if read the comics so that movie will wait in the next saga and plus there is a Planet Hulk movie which will set up Thor: Ragnarok.
@@KamenRiderNextDecade Bro didn't you just see my comment ? I added the shows and obviously they will be connected they will reference all the things happening from the movies and other shows.
@@KamenRiderNextDecade Agents of Shield will not only make reference of The Avengers but also make reference of X-Men and Fantastic 4 and plus more heroes would have shown up like The Fantastic 4, Spider-Man, Iron Man, and Professor X. The Inhumans will reference Guardians of the Galaxy and they will have a brief appearance in Infinity War then have a bigger role in Endgame. The Defenders saga will be more connected with other street level heroes like Spider-Man. The Ghost Rider show will take place during the blip and will mention the events of Agents of Shield. And then almost every hero would appear in Infinity War and Endgame and it would have been better than Disney's Infinity War and Endgame.
@@KamenRiderNextDecade ok to make sense here's what I mean. Daredevil would appear often in the Spider-Man movies why ? Because it makes sense putting him in the spider man movies since he's literally a friend of Spider-Man. Spider-Man would return the favour of course. X-Men would make a small appearance in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. because why not. Many heroes including Agents of Shield, The Defenders, some of the X-Men, Spider-Man, Guardians, and Fantastic 4 would appear in Infinity War (i mean isn't it obvious ?). The reason why the Fantastic 4 and X-Men are in the MCU because if Paramount owned Marvel I think Sony, Fox, and Universal wouldn't have a hard time working with Marvel because Disney is a greedy company you know.
I watched these movies as an adult taking my children to almost every major release. I told them before we walked into Endgame well kids its been one hell of a ride but its over after this. Im sad to say I was right.
It wasn’t over after Endgame, it was over after Far From Home.
The best way to handle the fourth wall break in a real scenario is to straight out talk to the camera (yeah I know She Hulk did that but the way she breaks the fourth wall is so cartoony and corny. Deadpool nailed it better because atleast he didn't break the camera and then talk to the writers.)
I miss the older versions of this video.
Those ones weren't true to how I actually feel though (not to mention the overall quality was pretty crap). That's why I deleted them and made this one as the definitive video.
@@KamenRiderNextDecade I'm not saying they didn't have some general good points in them, but they didn't overall convey what my actual issue with the MCU (and by extension other franchises) is, and so they were misleading/dishonest in that aspect. It was a jumbled mess of random things that I didn't actually care about or understand (that at the time I thought I did). So they had to be deleted.
Sorry to tell you but I don't have any of them archived anywhere. They're long gone.
May you pretty please make a video on why The Pre Disney Plus Marvel Live Action Shows blow The Current Godawful Disney Plus Marvel Live Action Shows out of the water?
I kind of just did. This includes them too.
What's your opinion about The Amazing Spider-Man (2012)?
I really like Andrew’s Spider-Man. Probably one of my favorite versions next to Tobey Maguire and others. My only problem with his first film is how in the beginning it was a little bit of a copycat of the Raimi films with the way they handled uncle Ben’s death and how he became Spider-Man. It could’ve been a little more original. But other than that I like Webb’s artistic take on the Spider-Man universe. On top of that it has a really beautiful soundtrack. Imo it has the best Spider-Man theme (next to TASM2).
@@anomaly395 yeah,that's the main problem,i think Sony thougthed they can replicate the box office success of the first film of Raimi,instead of doing something new,like Nolan's Batman or Snyder's Superman,as Webb's Spidey was going to have a darker way too
Yeah Sony is always ruining Spider-Man movies. For some reason the only ones they haven’t meddled with are the Spiderverse films (thank god).
@@anomaly395 yeah,i really liked the take Marc Webb was having,a cool/darker/serious and grounded art style and atmosphere like phase 1 mcu,perfectly Webb's Spidey can be in that universe,such a mess Sony was more interested in something commercial,as they planned to do too a Spider-Man Universe for matching the MCU,doing TASM 2 literally a commercial of their universe,putting some much references of next villains instead of concern in the quality
And yes,the soundtrack is really beautiful,Horner's and Zimmer's music are so great
@@anomaly395 well,for now,hope they ruint't too Beyond The Spider-Verse
You like the X-Men movies like Deadpool, X-Men, Logan, and Days of Future Past ?
Yeah, I like those line of films for the most part.
@@anomaly395 what's your favourite ? Oh lemme guess uhh...... Logan ? Please tell me it's Logan I mean come on it's grounded.
@@Deadpool50923 I have to rewatch some of them but Days of Future Past is probably among my favorites.
@@anomaly395 I love Days of Future Past it's one of my favourite comic book adaptations. I suppose those jokes make sense for Spider-Man and Deadpool but not like the Disney.
Had to snicker a little when ypu said hupk looked like something Nolan would have made😂
I’m referring to the art style, not the overall quality. This video has nothing to do with writing/story.
@@anomaly395 even so I don't think the art style/cinematography actually matches Nolan in regards to Hulk
They’re not the exact same but they’re similar in that they both have that darker, realistic feeling. That’s what I mean. The darker saturation/color palette, less CGI, shakier camera, etc. I just mentioned Nolan as an example of something similar that it reminds me of, nothing more.
(And to be fair I said Zack Snyder or Christopher Nolan. Not just Nolan).
@@anomaly395 I'm aware you mentioned Zack Synder, I left him out because I agree with you that Synder would try something similar to Incredible Hulk.
@@anomaly395 Plus, Nolan is a friend of Snyder and a fan of his work.
So in your perspective, Captain America is the one who never changed ? I mean i can agree tho Cap was always serious throughout the MCU.
Yeah. Cap’s movies are pretty much the only ones that ever stayed consistent (for the most part).
@@anomaly395 Also the netflix shows are confirmed *always* canon to the MCU
@@John_F_Kennedy188 I'm aware. I addressed it in a community post.
@@anomaly395 Look I'm a MCU fan but I wish Marvel could have been more serious and tone down the jokes.
33:20 bro let me remind you this is mostly worked by Sony and Marvel.
It’s a co-ownership between Disney and Sony, so Disney still has a part in this (which shows if you compare this to the other Spider-Man movies like TASM). Either way it doesn’t take away from my point.
@@anomaly395 yeah but when you compare it to TASM 2 it kinda have similarities maybe because the Andrew Garfield films wanted it to be more light-hearted tone.
TASM2 is still pretty cool imo
@@anomaly395 Yeah but my only issue is the lack of backstories and how too many things going on.
The MCU can be more serious if it had a really good writing.
**sigh** I'm starting to hate the MCU because of MCU Fans
You changed the title
Yeah. It presents the main topic better.
@@anomaly395 you've seen the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon ?
@@John_F_Kennedy188 Yes
@@anomaly395 what's your opinion on that show ?
@@John_F_Kennedy188 Didn't you ask me this?
The Spider-Man Home Trilogy was made by Sony, not Disney.
Yes but they’re made in association with Disney. It’s a co-ownership. With the Home trilogy Sony is just following off of the style that Disney started, since it's still *their* universe.
And what are your thoughts of Zendaya's MJ? Did you even hate her portrayal of the character because it doesn't even fit the entire MCU owned by Disney or Paramount because of being a Disney Channel star in a Marvel Movie? or do you prefer the other Spider-Man movie love interests like Emma Stone's Gwen Stacy (Webb) & Kirsten Dunst's Mary Jane Watson (Raimi).
@@anomaly395 yeah but Disney wasn't credited so the credits still goes to Marvel and Sony
@@anomaly395 also MCU Spider-Man 4 has problems because Marvel wanted it to be a grounded movie while Sony wanted it to be another multiversal movie.
Doesn’t take away from my point in the video.
Wakanda Forever looks realistic to me, how come it doesn't look realistic to you?
I didn’t watch it fully (my family was watching it while I was getting a snack once so I saw some of it) but there’s Iron Heart and most of the third act which pretty much ruin it.
Spider verse have talking animals
Spiderverse is different because unlike the MCU it started out that way, so I don't have any objections to it.
@@anomaly395 spider verse have colorful spandex
Spider-Verse is a animated movie !!!! And plus it's called "Spider-Verse" !!!! Anomaly said he only missed the more serious and darker tone he did not actually hate them.
Bro, Spider-Verse is an animated movie and it started that way, while the MCU started with a serious style, there is the difference
It's an animated movie it started out that way !!! Anything can happen in those movies.
Look i love when the MCU went comic accurate but they should be more realistic and limit the jokes.
a bit of balance
@@shadowbane7401 yeah there should be balance
One of the best video essays I've seen in a long time.
I always like Infinity War and Endgame but the problem is the jokes so.....
Anomaly Martin Scorsese is right
Scorsese didn't even watch the movies
@@WL1264 Actually he does and he has the rights to share his opinions about those movies and I can agree with him.
Moon Knight is the only serious Marvel character from the comics that they didn’t bastardize.
About that.... not really
Yeah I gotta agree with mauricio lol (the Egyptian gods, the hippo, the girl with the wings, etc)
@@anomaly395 Those aren't things that happened in the comics?
@@mauricio6646 How did they bastardize Moon Knight?
We’re not talking about the comics
So basically you hate that your comic book movies have gotten comic booky got it
Hate is a strong word. I’m merely disappointed and sad. And to your point, I stated in the beginning that I didn’t grow up with the comics like everyone else (they were before my time), so yes, I’m personally not a fan of the goofiness. I also said in the beginning that it was clear that they weren’t meant to *be* like the comics in that aspect when it started, but more grounded and realistic. So understandably the change is pretty saddening for me.
@@anomaly395I think I get it.
Straight Comic book adaptations into live action are fine but not your cup of tea.
However the problem HERE is that it started off very grounded and realistic whilst being fantastical but not to the point of “to much”. Rather than going all the way with this unique idea/art style they made it more comic books losing its own identity to the many superhero films in the genre with a similar style.
As their own these more comic book like films are fine but taking theme as the same characters from earlier films that had their own unique style just seems wrong.
A good example would be Baron Zemo. He started off very different from the source material. Rather than the son of a Nazi war criminal who vows revenge on the avengers for murdering/and glueing a goofy purple hood to his face he is just a normal guy who wants revenge not just for his father but his wife and child. Spite this pragmatic adaptation they still kept his routes as a master planner while adding a more scary, if tragic, side to him that made him more fascinating.
Come Falcon and The Winter Soldier, he has a purple(which is never explained why). And his a rich baron that was never mentioned before. Also they try to make him less hypocritical which makes him to heroic and loses the evil appeal of the character.
Did I get it right?
Minor Nitpick:There is TOO MUCH CGI.
@MaxAzrul For the most part, yeah. It’s not too much about the characters as much as it’s about just the change in style as a whole, among other things like music and such. It’s a checklist of things really. But to your point about characters, that *is* a part of it (though hell, the way some characters are portrayed in the films-like Thor and Hulk-go against even the comic books themselves). Overall yeah, that’s pretty accurate.
I love when it's comic accurate but it doesn't really need to be "too comic accurate"
He doesn't hate them he just miss this more serious and darker tone am I right Anomaly.