1979 Canadian Federal Election Debate
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May 13, 1979
1979 Federal Leaders' Debate
Pierre Elliott Trudeau
Ed Broadbent
Joe Clark
Canadian Federal Election 1979
31st Canadian general election
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Three very intelligent men debating at a high level of sophistication. Absolutely puts our present-day debates to shame. And the best part: they actually answer each other's questions!
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the internet created more readers
honda custom....created more readers.....perhaps.....but the content they are reading is far poorer......and if the content is decent....like many online newspapers....they are no longer free.......
Yes what was wrong with this? Why are people less intelligent and mature now days? I don't know about the other 2 guys but Pierre did not seem to raise HIS son very well at least not for politics I don't even think Justin wants the job why else is he intentionally sabotaging things?
@@AnnaLVajda Considering that Pierre, for all his intellect, was a terrible PM, I'd have a hard time believing his son would be any better.
You want to see another highly civil debate? Look no further than the race for the CPC leadership: ruclips.net/video/eFNNtRMi5Q0/видео.html.
This just brings tears to my eyes. How far we've fallen.
So civilized! Let's turn the clock back and relive that era.
Holy crap that's the Governor General moderating...
+Ryan Rambling That is amazing how time move all these people forward and into our perspective history
When i heard David Johnston, i was like, isnt that name farmiliar? Then i realized it was the GG
+TheHaibao123 he's 37 years old in this video
Holy crap that's the Governor General actually do something lol
@@thomasj0007 how can he be 37!! he looks 50 already
Back when leaders debated the issues but still showed respect for each other. Unlike today when politicians interrupt and personally attack.
This debate shows that we are getting dumber.
Yup, or just a few smarter people used to vote. They don't try to over yell each other either. Well maybe still just a bit. Opposite is true of turnout: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_Canada
In a way, yes, but compared to other countries nowadays not really I mean politics in the U.S is just stupid
No youre getting more socialist !
@@thomaspaine1815 Isn't getting more socialist is getting dumber?
@@canuck21 Socialism is slavery !So anyone that supports is, as Stalin said a useful idiot ..
Three amazing politicians. Everyone so cool and calm. You can tell they all respect each other. Nowadays they all just yell at each other
The special rapporteur before he disgraced himself.
Trudea was a waste of flesh like his son the current dictator.
Thanks for the upload. These old debates are amazingly better speakers and leaders than the currently three major parties.
Refreshing to see a good solid debate with three fine Canadians with tremendous respect for each other. Thanks for uploading.
Trudeau? Fine? Lolol
You mean 2 fine Canadians and one snake.
Now this is a debate. Respectful, honourable, intelligent and articulate. It puts a shame to all that we have witnessed recently. We have much to learn by re-listening to this and by demanding that our leaders listen, respect, not interrupt but debate for the strength of each to emerge and not their weaknesses.
"if i can come in at this point"...."absolutely" i love that
A real Canadian debate. Lmao.
Who else is watching after the 6 leaders debate
Watching after the 2019 Election.
@@sunnysalmon5757who else is back here after the mess that was the 2021 debate where you saw leaders talk over each other and offer no policy substance?
Canuck Politics........Thanks for posting all of these Canadian Federal Leader's debates from all of the election years.
Crazy how similar the issues in 1979 are to what we're dealing with in 2021
Lol back then you had to be economically nationalist or else you would be thrown into the fire like Mulroney was.
lol, because that is how it is with Capitalism. No amount of tinkering here and there is ever going to fix the fundamental issue at the core of Capitalism- worker exploitation and greed. A colonialist capitalist country such as Canada offered, like all others: "liberty, equality, fraternity"- and it has failed to deliver on that. Every 4 years, its the same conversation. Its the same little bits of tinkering.
Gosh I miss these old school politicians......the standard of debate was so much higher.......still the same tripe, but it was done with so much greater class......
they spoke in natural (and intelligent) English. they also stayed on course with arguments based on their principles rather than jumping around trying to say what they think people want to hear. substance instead of cheap shots and "clever" retorts that in fact say nothing.
Talk is cheap...and you are easily manipulated by TV.
Trudeau the commie traitor...may he rot in Hell for eternity for what he did to Canada.
M.r. Moon
seeing it's 38 years later and Canada is still standing . your remarks mean nothing
Imagine how unsuccessful that would be with our current attention span.
I am an ethnic minority whose parents immigrated from South Africa in 1968. I was born in Scarborough, Ontario in 1973. A few tears came to eyes watching this debate. That was during my childhood...
None of the politicians of today are capable of matching the skill and articulation of these extraordinary men. Excellent debate, thanks for posting it!
I miss joe clark. I'm a dyed in the wool ndp'er but the guy had serious integrity. He even takes legit criticism in stride wthout going in for personal attacks.
+RXdash78
It's important for people to watch these old debates. It's important that we remember what Canada looked like before. The first step to being enslaved is separation from one's own history.
Debates were about ideas back then, and people were honest and upfront about what they believed.
+Sam Cole well said.
I was proud to support Mr. Clark on four ballots at the 1983 convention, and went down with the ship.....Canada, I think, would be a lot better off today if Mr. Clark had been able to return as PM.....but as we know from the latest election, style over substance wins everytime....
It would difficult to find someone who doesn't like Clark... His fault was to be too young when he led the PC. He's a great man.
Back then it was Progressive Conservatives. Clark was a "red" Tory as were many of the now defunct political party. Peter McKay among others sold out the PC's to the Reform/Alliance to what we have today. Clark was akin to Robert Stanfield in attitude, intelligence and integrity. Yes, I miss those days too.
outstanding debate! What in heavens name happened to Canadian politics in the last 35 years! Oh the humanity! :D
+RideMyTruck the difference in level of insight and candidness is astounding.
Kevin Choi titans of our time...unfortunately these dudes would eventually be steam rolled by Mulroneys Free Trade deal
+RideMyTruck Yeah because Mulroney was the architect behind the whole thing. Pretty sure the U.S designed it.
+Rod Falcon .. Mulroney was the 'bag man' (literally).
what if junior, two years down the road, pulls up our economic numbers and realizes "holy sh$#!!! the budget DID balance itself!"
sort of embarrassed that I have to ask this, but is this the same David Johnston - Governor General David Johnston?
Not embarrassing at all, and to answer your question yes that is in fact The Right Honourable David Johnson.
why thank-you!
Such intelligence, eloquence from all these men. Puts the present day debate to shame. Not to mention how well dressed and well put together they were. Also so respectful and polite. we have left it all behind for the worst.
What a difference, this nation had such potential.
I remember this debate. I was 15 years old. I could have voted for any of these men. The debate was informed, intelligent and respectful. It made you think about the issues. Not the vacuous babble we get today.
CLASS. ALL of the candidates.....CLASS. Respect. & CLASS. example, 48:00 to 53:00 No interruptiing the other, allowing each other to speak. CLASS. ALL of them.
This was 1979, with three National Party leaders having a debate, now we have 4. The Block are not a National Party, they have no representation outside of Quebec, their sole interest is Quebec! To their credit, hey make no attempt to hide the fact, so why should they be apart of any National debate for Leadership of Canada!
It is even worse than that, they also invite the Green Party to the debate (with 4% support). Five party leaders with two hours of debate. In a format like that, all the voter can hear is a few sound bites.
Canadian election debates in recent times, with 5 leaders sharing 2 hours, provide little information except sound bites. In 1979, the debate allowed voters to seriously compare the ideas and intellect of the party leaders.
This is absolutely fascinating to see a real debate for once. Honestly, I've never seen one xD
What a downgrade we got in 2019.
And in 2021, lol.
Joe Clark was the youngest prime minister of Canada to take office at the age of 39 years and was also the youngest prime minister of Canada to leave office at the age of 40 years.
Can we go back to this way of debating now…?
Extremely professional debate by all parties involved
A three-party political system is far better than a two-party system.
The Governor General looking mighty young! But weren't we all looking young in '79?! LOL
+Barbara Mitchell he's 38 years old here and he looks like he has grey hair.
+Kelvin Chan 37 actually....unbelievable!
I was 16 in 1979.
Governor General is useless
I was a newborn.
Fantastic to watch this. Articulate speakers.
My how history has repeated itself.
Who could have guessed at this time there are two Prime Ministers and a Governor General of Canada in this debate.
+regszikora ps I did not mention Broadbent another of those that could be well considered one of the great politicians of our time.
all 3 candidates are so far left of the contemporary political center
Well informed and well presented 👏
Broadbent's was the best opening statement.
As a country, we HAVE to get back to this level of sober, respectful, civilized, intelligent public debate and away from petty, partisan, unexamined, and shrill political behaviour.
Canadian election debate is so kind which is part of Canadian tradition which I find it morel polite and very intelligent then more recent election.
between 1:14:30-23:30 amazing how trudeau speaks for 5 mins criticising clark then clark goes back at trudeau for 5 mins without interruption! now they would be lucky to get in 10 seconds before getting interrupted.
1:11:00 Took until 2015...
Amazed this was mentioned 37 years ago, holy shit.
It's 2017 and still nothing has happened.
Took until 2018 haha.
The first election that I had the opportunity to cast a vote. A banker, a lawyer and an auto worker.
I’m for Ed Broadbent, and all three were no doubt great, but that P.E.T. was one clever cat 🐱 ( I guess that sort of thing occasionally skips a generation)...
Trudeau's sometimes offhand manner betrays underneath a very serious politician who could convey his policy and ideas in a very articulate and persuasive manner. His success in politics was not an accident. He also paid a very high price for it. There is much to be learned by Hong Kong people in our quest for democracy even though we are under a very different set of limitations.
Turdo was a great bullshitter
I am confused. Did he not throw the country into huge debt, like his weasel son?
@@Oxatolla Yes, you are confused. Did not every country at the time "throw the country into huge debt", just like every country during the pandemic? If you were knowledgeable and honest, you would also mention that Mulroney threw the country into huger debt.
As a conservative, I actually get how Trudeau came to truly dominate Canadian politics - for starters, it was a mess in the 60s. Canadians were divided between independence from Britian and closer relations with America (Liberal party) or holding down ties with Britain (Conservative party). In those days, the Liberal party was slightly to the right of the Conservative party. Trudeau changed is all, turned the Liberals from a pro-American party into a cult of personality around himself, swung it to the left. Conservative party was slow to turn to the right, because the centre left was their ground first - because of that and keeping ties to Britain gained no traction, they never amounted to a hill of beans.
Who's here in December 2024 looking at remarks of Joe Clark at 40:50 and thinking they never cleaned the crap up then either.
I liked all three of them. Joe Clark was a Red Tory ... a true Progressive Conservative. Many people forget that Stephen Harper did not come from the Progressive Conservative Party, but from the Reform Party, which was extremely right wing. Mulroney was also a Red Tory. Not many Red Tories left today.
+Apocalypse Plough peter mckay?
*****
Yeah, he'd be one, but he isn't an MP anymore. He voted for same-sex marriage, I know that.
I'm a life-long NDPer, but you couldn't pay me enough to vote for the Manitoba NDP in Tuesday's election. They have destroyed this province. Red Tories are socially progressive but fiscally conservative. I have no problem with that.
Apocalypse Plough indeed...tbh, i dont care which partys gets in office, depends on the person running it...and people too...
Brain Mulroney is more Conservative than Clark. Nevertheless, Harper took a much more further than both of them.
Mr. Know Itall LMAO, you need to take political science and history 101
What’s happened since 1979 when politicians could calmly discuss and debate an issue without putting each other down? The tone in our debates today is so much angrier, it seems.
0:15 - Yes, the Moderator is the David Johnston who eventually became Governor General of Canada. Rewatching this reminds me of why he was such an excellent pick as GG especially considering recent events.
What a kick seeing a younger David Johnston too!
1:20:55 Joe Clark talking about moving The Canadian Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem already in 1979.
Joe Clark won seats only in the 1979 Canadian federal election or Joe Clark won only the 1979 Canadian federal election for prime minister of Canada. Joe Clark won a minority of seats and formed a minority government.
There is no election for prime minister.
Born on 5 June 1939, Joe Clark is younger than five of his successors: Pierre Elliott Trudeau, John Turner, Jean Chrétien, Paul Martin and Brian Mulroney. Therefore Joe Clark is younger than the largest number of his successors which is 5. So in this case 5 is the largest number by which Joe Clark is younger than some of his successors.
I was involved in this program in 1988 at18 my wage was 6$ per hour and with the program it was 7.50 an hour.
Pierre Trudeau and Joe Clark actually respected each other. Trudeau expressed his sympathy for Clark in his memoirs. Clark attended Trudeau's funeral in 2000, and he was visibly moved by Justin Trudeau's story of being rebuked by the elder Trudeau for having made fun of an opponent of Prime Minister Trudeau (possibly or probably he referred to Clark).
Remember at the funeral the camera focussed on Joe Clark for a second when Justin was telling that story? Clearly they concluded that too.
History repeats itself
This should be required viewing for anyone who sat through the US Presidential debate last night between Trump & Biden. If you haven't been gently lulled to sleep by the end, at the very least it will reduce your anxiety by orders of magnitude! 😂
Pierre Elliott Trudeau won the popular vote in five Canadian federal elections in 1968, in 1972, in 1974, in 1979 and in 1980. Pierre Elliott Trudeau won seats in 1968, in 1972, in 1974 and in 1980 and lost seats only in 1979.
He lost big in 1972 being reduced to a minority government losing nearly all of his 1968 support in the west, and the NDP won the popular vote that year.
And this is how a debate should be done
Pierre is 1000x better than Justin
lol funny seeing David Johnston as he's now GG
Hi, I’m Ed Broadbent!
All 3 of these guys were at least intelligent unlike today.
Quel débat civilisé. Trois grands politiciens canadiens
Wddectivement , depaasse les minions que nous connaissons de nos jours
joe who? i remember that quote...those were the days, late seventies, best days of my life, things have sure changed.
Pierre Elliott Trudeau's son Justin Trudeau became the second-youngest prime minister of Canada at the age of 43 years after Joe Clark who was 39 and who defeated Pierre Elliott Trudeau, the father of Justin Trudeau himself. Therefore Justin Trudeau became the second-youngest prime minister of Canada at 43 years after Joe Clark, the man who defeated the father of Justin Trudeau, Pierre Elliott Trudeau.
The youngest and the dumbest.
I remember seeing this debate on TV when I was 15
What the Fuking Hell happened to debates like this? Why can't we have smart people kicking each others ass with intelligent discussion? I was never a fan of Trudeau senior, but he sure put up a great fight. Mr. Broadbent and Mr. Clark are also both great at challenging and hitting back. Right now we need this in Canada if Canada is to stay together. All of our leaders like Jughead, Trudeau Jr. and even Poiiieve seemed defeated. Canada is so to become a state in the USA .
Can I just say that I watched this in its entirety!
What a great debate, back then people talked about issues, respected each other's opinions, even if they were different from theirs. Nowadays, we have the intolerance coming mainly from the left, but also a bit from the right. They think if you have a different opinion then you're a racist, sexist, homophobic and all that
Wow I loved three of them, one thing I really really liked is how they were respectful to each other 🇨🇦❤️ not like the election in 2019
If we could come up with a blend f the three Canada would be a leader in the world mediocrity seemed to be the currency of today
33:02
Clark: We will be governing as if though we have a majority.
Trudeau: *Thats the dumbest thing I’ve heard today, no way it’ll last a year. And god forbid a Liberal Premier will ever try doing something like that within the next 40 years*
Broadband: *We’ll get a no confidence vote to pass by Christmas*
Ed Broadbent make an excellent point at 00:31 There is no such thing as a wasted vote. There is no such thing as an unwinnable ridind
As an American, I appreciate the informative discourse in this grouping. All three gentlemen were great statesmen. And now my country has lame debaters like Donald Trump.
DRUMPF = "lame" debater ? Dude, youre at the gates of TOTAL American fascism.
if there is a correlation that indicates the worse a debater you are, the better president you are, then i for one am happy president trump is a bad debater. and i sincerely hope he doesn't sharpen his debating skills. his policies both domestic and foreign have been outstanding. in fact they've been so successful that it makes one look backward at his predecessors and look at them with real pity. they achieved nothing relative to what he has accomplished in just a year and a half.
Says John Doe lol go back to Moscow man
Tristan Hayward, come on man, if you disagree with me then make your case. i'll be happy to engage with you on the issues. i'll even reserve the right, as all intelligent men do, to change my mind if you make a compelling argument. and i would expect you to take the same risk. that's what debate and discussion are for. but to call me a russian troll is to leave the field without even having made the effort. come on, which of the presidents policies are so egregious that you are so offended beyond measure? i'm a big boy, i can take it. what's your problem with his policies?
Donald Trump isn't just a lame debater - he is lame period. Period at the end of the word "lame".
It's kind of interesting that Justin is taking pages from the old man's playbook. Hey Federal Conservatives, Mellissa Lantsman make note of this.
Trudeau is just so smug, won't admit to any mistakes whatsoever.
Wow, back when people had common sense, common ground and respect for one another. Politics these days is a god damn circus
"Mr. Clark, If you'll please excuse me but..." Oh my gosh, these debaters are so cordial. Too bad this virtue has come and gone, apparently a long time ago :(
I've spent 40 years of my life in the USA and the past 13 years in Canada (dual citizen). I'm sincerely stunned by the depth and the level of civility. This is an exceptional display of democracy.
I hate alcohol, drugs and cigarettes. Indeed I love my health.
18:00: joe clark jokes to Ed broadbent that "we cool down" over their disagreement lol. Wow, imagine them debating today. This debate is so polite its putting me to sleep
Pierre was 10 times a sharper priminister than Justin!!! He did love quebec but he did also stand up for Canada !!!! He was best primiister we ever had!!!!
"The public will check it tomorrow."
Was this not live?
Thanks for posting. I do not agree with the deficits Pierre Elliott Trudeau piled up. I did not agree with very many of his policies. However, it's a pleasure to watch Mr. Trudeau being the great orator that he was.
Ed Broadbent is often touted as having been a strong debater. I find he makes a lot of assumptions and over simplifications that haven't stood up over time.
He was far better than Douglas or Lewis. Douglas was notoriously evasive, dodging questions Kamala Harris style and responding with rhetorical questions. Lewis was just a waste of space.
To all of you who have doubts about who our current PMs father is ,it sure ain't this guy😂. They have ZERO resemblance. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Both pompous is the only resemblance I see. One would expect hairline, mannerisms, sound of voice, SOMETHING! Nada.
Joe Clark lost the popular vote twice to Pierre Elliott Trudeau in 1979 and in 1980.
"encounter '79" sounds so much hotter than what it really was
You're thinking of encounter 69
lukafafrenz only the CBC lol
This should be mandatory viewing for Trudeau Jr., May, Mulcair, M Traitor, and The Right Honourable Swine Harper.
I have never and will never vote Conservative, but even Joe Clark would be a better PM than most of the candidates over the past years since Mulroney ruined this country.
+Julian Smith Pretty sure Trudeau watched every piece of footage of his 'daddeh' :P
Brian Valta Obviously.
+Julian Smith Joe Clark's (and John Diefenbaker's) party doesn't exist anymore. What poses as Conservative is actually the ultra-right-wing Canadian Alliance of Preston Manning. A far cry from the true Conservatives.
True. There was an interview with Joe Clark from London last night after the Liberals had been declared winners, and Mr. Clark still sounded nothing like today's modern Conservatives.
+Julian Smith - some of the now defunct PC's in Canada were 'Red Tory' (Clark was more Centrist) but they did oppose the merger with the Alliance. Voters were fooled into believing they were dealing with the Conservatives (some still are), when actually they were wolves in sheep's clothing. While Harper comes from Alberta, he has little if nothing in common with the late (former) Alberta Premier Peter Lougheed (PC), but more with the founder of the Reform/Alliance Party, Preston Manning ( the son of The right-wing Alberta Social Credit Party leader and former Alberta Premier Ernest Manning). Harper became leader of the Alliance (formerly Reform) in 2002. Peter MacKay, succeeding Joe Clark as leader of the PC in 2003 sold out to Harper's Alliance and thus the 'new' Conservative Party came into being, but this had little resemblance to the old-style Conservatives. In 2004, those old-style Conservatives founded the Progressive Party of Canada, but are no more than a blip on the political landscape. Also, google David Orchard, who was a opponent to that merger with the Alliance. He later became a Liberal.
Joe Clark lost the popular vote thrice in three Canadian federal elections in 1979, in 1980 and in 2000.
How many minutes for cross checking?
I always checked everything I bought in a city of Toronto making sure 💯% materials and last longer for the future of life. Today,rain in the house changed my life?
Pretty tame debates back then in 1979 .
Remember when politicians spoke to men not housewives
Whatever happened to intelligent political debate? Twitter, FB, soundbite TV...
Trudeau the best , i voted in the first referendum and was glad to do so. Met trudeau twice . Great gracious man. Merci beaucoup
118:48 PM Pierre Trudeau in 1979 proclaims the importance of Canadian identity. 30 years later PM Justin Trudeau brags that there is no Canadian identity, positing Canada as the first “post-national state.”
Funny hearing Ed Broadbent talking about the benefit to Canada by owning a crown Corp Petro Canada.. And the new NDP leader hates oil and gas