Sky-Watcher 200p with the Cheapest DLSRs I could find!
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Can't beat that with a stick!
No correction, no guiding? Fantastic!
haha Thanks Book, yes it was really bare bones imaging :)
This is brilliant video mate!
Editing is great.
Disney music is perfect for clumsy section.
I enjoy watching your stuff almost as much as Biscuit man.
Keep up the great work!
Wow Rick that's the ultimate compliment! thank you! :) I would love to pin this but I've pinned a shout out. I did want to pin this though! :)
@@Astrolavista
No worries mate
I'm looking forward to getting into astronomy.
I've been trying to figure out which scope to get for months now.
8-12 inch Newtonian or 150 mm refractor.
Not sure if I will be into astrophotography or not but may get the EQ mount versus Alt-Az .
A complete SCT would be cool also.
Gonna try to keep it under
$ 1250 if I can.
Way to many choices.
Let me know if you come across a good used system
keep it natural and basic is the best way, very well done 🌟🔭👍
Cheers Frack! I didn't even setup goto, just found M51 by eye :D
Glad to read that it has that mirror lockup function should help a lot. Enjoyed the video and how natural it all was. 👍🙏
One of the best astronomy-related videos I’ve watched on RUclips in quite a time. All thanks to your creative editing and sharing of the less glamorous side of astronomy in a fun and entertaining way. Starting in a play kitchen, and with then showing that things does not always go according to plan... ;) It can be cold, windy, cloudy, ”dewy”, and the head torch may be out of battery... ;D Great watch. Thanks!
Exactly what I want the channel to be, so hearing this makes me happy, thanks so much for watching! :)
@@Astrolavista Hearing that my comment made you happy makes me happy... :) You are well worth that good feeling with all the hours I think you've put into the channel. :) Hope your new circumstances you recently announced will work well for you and your family.. :)
@@daek2903 Thank you so much! :)
This is fantastic! And yes, you forget just how abrupt the old shutters are until you go and use them again - The old 1 series are crazy loud and abrupt 🤣
Lovely image, I did my own image during that crazy wind we had - utter nightmare 🤪
hahaha I'd completely forgot! Can you imagine doing something like street or press photography with these back in the day! I'm guessing the 1D series had the same Ritchter scale shutter? :D So funny taking a 5 second exposure and seeing stars with a thin line either side from the vibration!..I was like, I'm sure I took that shot between wind gusts :D I see you have a channel? I'll check it out later : )
Really great video to show what you can achieve with basic imaging equipment along with your light bucket 200p great job 👍
Hey Lee, cheers! I appreciate that :)
@@Astrolavista I really like your videos, especially when you use your obsy, gives me something to only dream about, keep it up and clear skies 👍
*The 20D isn't out the running! Someone on Stargazers Lounge reminded me check to see if the camera has a Mirror Lock Up function, and It does! (page 12 of the custom menu). This will help reduce vibration from the shutter :)*
I use a 400D and using mirror lock-up makes a lot of difference.
Was just about to comment about that!
Great video for beginners showing how everything can conspire against getting a decent image. Very entertaining
Lets tell it how it is hey :D Cheers Peter!
Always good to see what can be achieved with more affordable gear and GIMP, great results there. Also interesting to see you've ordered some guiding goodies - I've just received a 32mm guide scope and ASI120 mini camera from FLO (affiliate links used!). Some clouds were also delivered here to Kent so waiting for them clear. Hey ho.
Hey J J thanks! I think GIMP is really good now days, since they updated it to 16bit. I wouldn't say no to some kind of gradient remover though :D I looked at that guide scope package but the focal length was just a bit too short to match well with the 200p, thanks so much for using the links! Because the 200p came with the big 9x50mm finder I went for a finder adaptor and one of those new ZWO ASI462mc's, as I want a camera for both guiding and planetary/Lunar. Hope you get the chance to test out the guide scope and camera soon. Have you tried telling the clouds to sod off, it sometimes works :D
Hey Chris! - I really enjoyed this mate - That old 20d has a bone-shaking shutter release!, glad you were able to find a 40d and get a nice image in the end though, I think that with this video you've demonstrated that the barriers to entry for deep-sky astrophotography have never really been lower which can only be a good thing! :)
Clear skies
Hey Luke, really glad you liked it : ) I think the 20D shutter possibly needs to be measured on the Richter scale lol. Thankfully someone reminded me about the mirror lock up function which should really help reduce vibrations :) I'll probably full spectrum mod one of these cameras at some point after I've played with them for a while. Oh, I gave your channel a shout out in the comments but forgot to pin it hehe, It's done now : )
@@Astrolavista The richter scale haha! - re: dslr, seeing the difference especially on nebulae would be interesting before and after you mod it, I'm looking forwards to seeing it when you are done :)
Thank you so much for the shout out by the way mate, I really do appreciate the support!
Clear skies,
Luke
Imagine if Lord Rose could see what can be achieved nowadays. Well done diy astro.
Thanks Vic! I've just been reading up on Lord Rosse and I was blown away by his achievements,! These include commissioning and partly being the architect for the largest telescope in the world at the time, the 72" Leviathan Reflector! Using this he was the first to discover the spiral structures in what was thought to be nebulae at the time, including being the first to identify spiral structure in M51 which is most apt here of course. And he named the crab nebula!
@@Astrolavista I met sir Patrick Moore at the whirlpool star party 26years ago in birr. County offaly. If you ever get the chance to visit Ireland look up the telescope it's been restored. Clear skies Vic
Fantastic shot!
This was beautiful. Soo many thanks. 👏🏼👏🏼👍🏽😘
Truly awesome video and very useful information. Thank you!
Thank you for the great comment :)
Down to earth 🌏 how to, thank you.
Thanks Jeff!
That is a bargain, and great capture there Chris!!
Thanks Vineeth :)
Lovely video Chris, thumbs up!
Thanks Sorin :)
Have you ever thought of buying an older full frame camera for astrophotography use? I'm very tempted to buy a Nikon D700 or D610 second hand, which you can do for a couple hundred quid, which is bloody crazy in itself. I don't know the Canon equivalents sorry, as I've always used Nikon. Buy yeah, I think it may well be worth a try for that HUGE, over 2inch wide!! Sensor ! Anyone else tried ?
I've used the Canon 5D mk1 full frame for astro and it did a good job. You can pick these up for sub £200 now days. Also had the original Sony A7 full frame but those are going for closer to £300-400. I do need to try more Nikon cameras. p.s. I like your user name :)
Superb an extremely clever man for sure✌️
40 quid for a DLSR......Ridculous!..What a find. I've been searching months for a bargin camera like that, cheapest ones I found were still in the hundred pound mark..Obviously I'm not looking hard enough. Enjoyable watch as always Chris :)
Jason, have you looked on Ebay? or MPB.com? I picked both the 20D and 40D from ebay, and the 20D was 39.99 inc postage, and the 40D was £57 but also included the extra battery grip and spare Canon battery. MPB.com are great too, I'll dig out a cheap camera now for you as an example :) Here you go - heavily used Canon 30D for 33 quid! www.mpb.com/en-uk/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-digital-slr-cameras/used-canon-digital-slr-cameras/canon-eos-30d/sku-1160977/
@@Astrolavista Nice one Chris, I appreciate that buddy, I'll take a look :)
@@Astrolavista Thanks for the heads up on MPB...It's got some proper bargains on it..Wow.....That ones got bookmarked...Cheers Chris :)
@@smalloptics753 They give good prices when buying cameras too! I recently sold my Sony A7 and Nikon V1 to MPB.com
I LOVE TELESCOPES
Me too! :)
I have the same scope on a dob mount, dude you got that final pic with manual tracking? Wow very impressive! If you get a chance to answer this I'm looking for a cheap dslr Kodak pixpro astro or cannon 700d? Any advice greatly appreciated
Hi Paul, I don't remember the details of the video as it was a couple of years ago, but it would have been a series of tracked shots stacked together and processed. I can recommend MPB.com (not an affiliate link) for second hand cameras.
Nice Video Chris, looks like the coma corrector performed good, i am looking to buy also an extra cheap camera . where did you find so cheap?
Cheers loan, I'm really pleased with the coma corrector, and I just kept a look out on ebay for cheap cameras. MPB.com also sell second hand cameras really cheaply with no risk. I've bought and sold cameras with them many times and trust them :)
@@Astrolavista thanks Chris
Shouldn’t you get better pictures if you take longer exposures with the abrupt shutter? As the movement of the telescope will even out?
The initial oscillation caused by the shutter shock 'light paints' the starlight across many pixels on the sensor leaving lines. Yes this does die down and then you are left with stars that look like lines with a brighter dot in the middle... it doesn't work like dithering unfortunately.
how much payload can the exos 2 take?
Hi there, I find your video really very helpful. I started watching it few weeks back and bought sky-watcher 200 PDA but I am not able to see full image on my 28 mm eyepiece. I can see the image but only when i move little bit behind and that too very small. It’s not covering full eyepiece. Whenever i am trying to go near, image appears blurry and hazy. Could you please help?
Hey Vikas, the 28mm Kelner eyepiece that's included with the 200pds is very low powered giving just 35x magnification. Objects like the planets will look very small indeed. It's probably most suitable as a 'finder' eyepiece to help you locate deep sky objects. The eye position issue could be down to eye relief. It is labelled as a long eye relief eyepiece so does the eyecup twist up so you can place your eye further away from the eye lens? The 200p comes with different eyepieces so I don't have the same 28mm to check. Mine came with a 10mm and 25mm 1.25" which are smaller and have less eye relief.
@@Astrolavista Yes Eyecups twists up and down, but image looks blurry even when i move it up. I also tried moving focuser up and down but nothing helps. Could you please help with the suitable eyepiece that i can use to see planets and moon. I do have picture of my eyepiece that i wanted to attach to show you the exact issue but unable to do so in comments section.
Hi can i use that camera for my telescope without a lense?
Yes, you actually don't use a lens at all. Most astrophotography is performed with the camera attached directly to the telescope, this is called prime focus astrophotography. You just need a T-ring and T-adapter for your camera to connect the camera to the telescope.
@@Astrolavista thank you
@@Astrolavistacoukd you send a link for what T ring and adapter i would use for a Canon 40d?
Thanks for the helpful video, Chris. I have a question. How well lit was the field of view with the APS-C sensor? How do your flats look, dark around the edges? Just wondering...with that high profile focuser and as I understand it a smallish secondary mirror.
Hi, I must admit to not taking flats, I'm a bit lazy like that, and although tricky to quantify I would describe the vignetting as nothing out of the ordinary - seems good enough for relatively affordable scope. I've been super happy with the 200p for both deep sky and planetary Lunar, a good all round telescope.
hi!
what classification of lightpollution??
Hi, Bortle 6 :)
so, you never did tell us, could you chive focus on the 200P without a barlow ?
well ??
Hi Rob, No Barlow required. In the video I just use the 200p, Canon 40D and coma corrector to image the Whirlpool galaxy. Sorry if this wasn't clear from the video?
@@Astrolavista i probably wasnt paying enough attention, lol.. cheers mate
Did you modify your scope to reach focus or is it just ready out of the box, sorry if I missed you saying it
Hi, yeah the Sky-Watcher 150p, 200p, etc all reach focus out the box with a DLSR. The older Blue tube versions don't however.
@@Astrolavista great !
What is the advantage of the PDS version?
Hi could you send a link to what kind of T ring and a T ring adapter for a Canon 40d?
T-Ring - Canon EOS: www.firstlightoptics.com/adapters/t-rings/ref/astrolavista/
2" T-Adapter - www.firstlightoptics.com/adapters/astro-essentials-2-inch-t-mount-camera-nosepiece-adapter/ref/astrolavista/
T-ring mounts to camera like a lens, then the 2" T adapter screws onto the T-ring, then the whole thing pushes into the 200p focuser :) When money allows swap the 2" T- adapter for a coma corrector which will flatten out the image so the stars are rounder towards the edge of the pictures you take: www.firstlightoptics.com/coma-correctors/baader-mark-iii-mpcc-coma-corrector-photographic/ref/astrolavista/
Thank you
Which coma corrector do you use on this buddy??
Sorry I just saw you got the Bader one
:)
Hey, do you just use the synscan goto mode for tracking the objects, and does it work well?
Hi Paul. If you own a Sky-Watcher mount which uses Synscan, it will work well enough for tracking once you have polar aligned and ran though the star alignment procedure. The mount in this video doesn't use Synscan and it died some time ago. I now use an iOptron mount plus ZWO AIR air to control all aspects of imaging from my phone: www.firstlightoptics.com/zwo-accessories/zwo-asiair-plus-wireless-astrophotography-controller/ref/astrolavista/
i have a question if thats cool, you said it was an EQ5 plus mount, im not familiar with that, i have a Skywatcher EQ5 mount and have added the synscan EQ5 pro goto kit, do you think i could do AP with my 2ooP with this kit ? would it track ok you think ? cheers
Hi Rob, some people do manage to image with the EQ5 Pro and 200p, however on paper you would be over the stated payload (EQ5 Pro states 6.5kg for imaging and the 200p OTA alone weights 8.8kg) Something like the HEQ5 or EXOS2 would be better. The EQ5 has simple bushes for bearings and the stepper motors are half the resolution of say the HEQ5. The 200p can be a bit of a wind sail too and this will effect the subs on an EQ5, it did with the EXOS2 even when it was shielded by the obsy walls. My gut feeling is that the 150p or 150pds would be a better match for the EQ5 Pro. p.s. the EXOS2 is 'like' a EQ5 plus mount, as in an EQ5 with a beefed up tripod, belts drives and good bearings on both axis.
@@Astrolavista thanks, yes i thought so, unfortunately, im a bit skint, so will have to make do, i have an explorer 130 and a SW 127 mak so at least im not stuck with nothing, i will be using an EOS 1200D.
I *might* be able to get a Explorer 150P-DS in time 🤞
luckily i Live in Scotland so always clear skies with no cloud or rain with no wind .. ever
🤣 cheers Rob
60 sec subs with no guiding.. yet no blurring ??? hmmmmm..
There were trailing stars on most the subs due to periodic error. I could only keep about 1/3rd of the subs, the rest got binned. If I had stacked all the subs it would have looked blurry. I spoke about this in the video.
@@Astrolavista ok mate, thanks, lovely photo given the circumstances BTW
*I just wanted to give a shout out to a really excellent Astro channel I stumbled across recently. If you haven't already, check out Luke's Channel here: ruclips.net/user/lukomatico *
Hey Chris! That's so kind of you mate, I really appreciate you giving me a shout out like that! :)
Thank you! 👍👍
DO YOU HAVE SKY WATCHER Bkp1145EQ1, diamter:114m. FOCALENTH:500M
I don't, but I've reviewed similar scopes in the past :)
Hey Chris. Cheap full frame professional cameras that's the way to do it. Why pay thousands for new dslrs when older ones are just as good. You do get some good gear in ebay so second camera worked. Nice images of those dancing Seven sisters through scope. The other night was clear but the dark nights getting alot shorter now. I'm buying longer dove tail for my 72ed scope very soon. Are these cameras still good for night and day photography? I How much does ebay sell the Canon 5D? I know amazon uk sells camera. Really like the shot of M51 you took. It's amazing cheap gear can take very good image's of deep sky objects. I'm hoping by May or June I'm camping again with my astrophotography setup as it's been a long wait but I think it's going to be exciting when I do. Thanks for the tutorial and stay safe buddy!
Thanks John, Yeah I'm looking forward to playing around with some of these older cameras. I think there is a lot of fun to be had for not too much money. You can probably get a 5D classic for around 200 quid, possibly less if you catch an auction ending off peak time. I've done some astro with the 5D in the past and it's a very good sensor, quite low noise considering it's age, and they're really easy to use : )
Not Bad at All, The image Turned Out Really Amazing !! Spiral Arms And NGC 5195 Well Resolved, This Galaxy Is My Favourite Targets, Love The Spiral Arms !! Iam Hopefully Purchasing The Same Telescope but 6 inch Version. Looking Forward to see More Galaxies During The Galaxy Season!🔭🌠
Hey man, thanks, me too! I love M51. The 150p is great you'll love it!
I have some queries about using the camera with telescope ...can u pliz help
You can always ask Kaustav.
Hello, I sort of have the same equipment (Orion 8 astrograph+Canon 500D+baader ... coma corrector) but I have to say stars look a lot better in your pictures (well, that is with the coma corrector). So you must be a collimator ninja, as this is really my weak point. If you have tips, please share.
Thanks a lot,
g.
Hi geert, I think I can shed some light on things :) If the Orion 8" Astrograph is the scope I'm thinking of it has a f-ratio of 3.9 which means it's primary mirror has a steeper curve than my Skywatcher 8" f/5. The steeper curve equates to more coma so it's a bit more tricky to correct. The Original Baader coma corrector corrects between f/4 and f/6, and the the revised mk3 version is said to correct down to f/3.5. So it may be that your coma correcter is working at or slightly beyond it's limit. As for collimation, if you have a laser collimator definitely make sure your collimator itself is well collimated (I have a video on this). I also have another video on how to collimate a Newtonian with a laser and one of the tips I give is to use a self centring adaptor. I demonstrate what a difference that makes at the end of the video. I'll link them here for you :)
ruclips.net/video/DxmHMYjIT3I/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/mc7SalQlzt0/видео.html
@@Astrolavista Thanks for the reply; I do have the Mark3 (which is said to go from F3.5 to 7 - so 3.9 should be ok) I use a farpoint laser collimator and an automatic collimato, but I admit I never star collimate.
g.
@@geert5811 definitely defocus a star and see if that doughnut shape is concentric :) Also, is the farpoint laser collimatable? Have you checked that it's collimated?
@@Astrolavista The farpoint can be collimated, but farpoint advises to send it back if it is out of collimation. But I always check before collimation, and it stays very well collimated. So will have to do the star test, or get a refractor (as I don't see the fun in this whole collimation business)
g.
Great example and promise for folks. Good job.
Thanks Garnett! :)
Might be worth giving Affinity photo 1.9 a try (It's got a 90 day free trial, but only costs £24 right now (one off no subs). It has got an astrophotography stacker (alignment, lights, darks, flats, etc), background gradient remover, and works in 32 bit linear space. James Ritson, and Affinity youtube channels have demos/tutorials on how it works.
That sounds amazing, definitely worth checking out by the sounds of it, thanks Dave :)
Just brilliant !
Ah glad you enjoyed it! Cheers! :)
Great video. Really was considering refractors but now I found the explorer range I think I prefer the cost speed and FL! Would this work on an eq6r Pro mount? What guiding camera do you use and does it fit to it? Just realised I was talking to you on first light optics thanks so much for your help. Subscribed.
Hey Steve thanks, I didn't realise you had seen the video before we spoke, it's a small world! I think we covered those questions but feel free to message me any others you have, and cheers I appreciate the sub! : )
How close to the weight limit are you on that mount? It seems a much more affordable option than a heq5. Would you recommend it over a heq5 for a 200p?
Hey Peter, If its balanced the EXOS2 can handle 8" reflectors just fine, but the mount definitely grumbles a bit if your balance is too far off on Dec or RA I've found. I've owned the HEQ5 Pro in the past and it's a close one. I like that the EXOS2 has belt drives so you don't get quite as much backlash and the EXOS2 doesn't sound like a coffee grinder when it starts slewing like the standard HEQ5, NEQ6's do. The Wifi for the PMC8 on the EXOS2 can take a while to connect sometimes and works better if you temporarily disable your fire wall, but I can't deny it's great value for what it is :) I do think it performs better with lighter scopes, but the same can be said for any mount thinking about it.
Great stuff! That's a good scope for the money. I have the same mount as you (EXOS II PMC-8) using the serial port with ASCOM, and I must say it tracks really well. BTW some of your affiliate links have got truncated (Eg: stella Lyra ED80 f/10) and just lead to a 404 page.
Cheers Dave! indeed, even though the prices have gone up the 200p is still really good for the money :) Thanks so much for giving me a heads up about the links! now fixed! :) Love the EXOS2, it does a great job when not being used in gale force winds lol Glad you enjoy yours too :)
Great video, thanks. Do you think you'd get focus in the same way with a full frame camera, like 5D? I don't have a coma corrector (yet), so tried yesterday DSLR + T-Ring + two (out of three, without the lens itself) parts of a Barlow + 1.25'' adaptor in the focuser. Sadly I couldn't get focus at all, no matter how I tried, fully in, fully out, nothing. Any pro tip for me? I'm thinking of getting either 1.25'' T-mount or 2'' T-mount and skip Barlow (and 1.25'' adaptor in case of 2'' T-mount).
You seem to have success without a coma corrector. What exactly did you use? DSLR + T-Ring + T-mount (which one?)?
Many thanks.
Hi Marcin, yes skip the Barlow :) I use a camera plus T-ring (10mm wide) plus a 2" T-adaptor when not using a coma corrector, and if I want to use the coma corrector I screw it directly into the T-ring, then the T-ring into the camera and skip the T-adaptor.
My T-adaptor only adds 1mm to the optical train it's similar to this one: www.firstlightoptics.com/adapters/astro-essentials-2-nosepiece-to-male-m48-thread/ref/diyastro/
You want a 2" version (not the 1.25") if you have at least a 2" focuser to reduce vignetting with large sensors.
It's all about the position of the sensor (in and out) rather than the size of the sensor. Your 5D will reach focus the same as a crop sensor camera would, only it would show more vignetting (darkening towards the edge of the frame) because there is a limit to the area you telescope can fully illuminate.
Hope this helps :)
@@Astrolavista , many thanks. I did find what appears to be T-adaptor in the scope bundle. I've screwed this up on to T-ring. It fits directly in the 200P 2'' focuser. I'll have a go when the sky clears up again! Good point about vignetting, I hadn't thought about this.
Great image for EAA!
Absolutely brilliant, just goes to show what you can do, without paying alot of money, I have a 200p explorer, using it with a dedicated altair 294c pro TEC, I am definitely going to try it with my cannon 250D, quality is excellent. Thank you for sharing.
Hi thanks! definitely give it a go, I reckon your 250D will do a fantastic job for galaxies and clusters with it's relatively clean sensor, and with it's articulated touch screen it should be really nice to use for astro :) I know they're great for video as well with the dual pixel autofocus. I nearly bought one to film my channel, so I researched the 200/250D quite a bit :)
@@Astrolavista thanks for the advice, I bought it last year when I started out, but I was not sure of the settings, so I went for the dedicated astronomy camera, I am going to revert back to it to try, you didn't use a reducer flattener connected did you, was it just the camera to telescope connection, your image was as good as most dedicated astro camera, thanks again 👍
@@MM-uo5vz Yes it was just the camera, T-ring , and the 2" nose piece that slides into the focuser. I didn't have the coma corrector on with the M51 image because I literally meant to be out for half an hour to grab a quick comparison shot. I didn't even use any kind of light pollution filter, and the total exposure time was only 20 minutes (20 x 60 seconds). No flats, darks or bias frames either. Just what the camera give natively at ISO 1600 :) Thanks for the compliment. The image is of course a bit noisy but I was pleased with the level of detail in the actual galaxy I must admit! :D
@@Astrolavista thanks, it was a a great image you produced, with no calibration frames and only 20x60sec, if you added more data it would have removed the noise, I am really impressed, great work 👍
3 minutes in and all I'm thinking is "I really should pay attention to required back spacing, maybe I wouldn't struggle so much with focus if I did" - loving the vids, going through everything in a way that actually makes sense to me.
We've all been there lol Thanks for the supportive comment!
I have a Canon EOS 20D. You're right, it is built like a tank. I bought it new back in 2005 for terrestrial photography. Its 8.2 megapixel sensor was pretty cutting edge back then. For the most part, I found it to be a great camera. There is one thing that really lets it down though. It has no sensor cleaning option. Unfortunately, a static charge very quickly builds up on the sensor. It then attracts dust, hair, pollen and basically anything that gets near to it. You'll find it really frustrating, especially with lunar shots. You'll wonder where the huge moon snake came from. It'll be a stray something stuck to the sensor. You'll end up spending a lot of time manually clearing the sensor.
That sounds frustrating, I'll definitely remember not to use the 20D for Lunar lol I know the 40D has sensor cleaning, a great feature of the more modern DLSRs considering dedicated astro cams have no sensor cleaning either.
Great video as always. Thanks
Thanks Jackie! :)