I can't agree too much with this sentiment. The massed spineless capitulation to the Islamists after those girls were murdered was the moment that I knew this country was in real trouble.
The worst part is the denial and cover-ups are still going on. The primary response to anyone mentioning this is "Shut up, you might hurt Muslim feelings".
Well here is the thing if, like Doug says, western society is built of judeo Christian values then retaliation or reaction in anger is one of the quickest paths to creating evil. Now you can have it both ways if you like but know that you’re being cognitively dissonant. You’re literally hypocritical in the worst way.
It's a clear call, the media. Politicians are politicians one cant expects them to act outside of their motivation structure. The media changed colors from the watch dog of democracy to a lap dog of an agenda, de facto destabilized the healthy motivational structure in which politicians are accountable to the public's interests.
I've simplified it 4 myself. I loathe both. T media have their financial agenda. Politicians have their political party agenda. Pfizer r one of t leading advertisers for news corporations in western democracies. And lobbyists 4 major corporations have early access to t ears of politicians. Of which many were politicians themselves. Draining t swamp is impossible.
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Yes, the singing of ‘Don’t Look Back in Anger’ was portrayed as virtuous by the media. A ‘river of blood’ had just been perpetrated and anyone singing ‘Don’t Look Back in Anger’ effectively dismissed the murder of 22 girls/women and many more injured and maimed. It was disgusting. If you’re not going to get angry about a massacre you need your effing head examined.
This collective "Don't Look Back in Anger" response perfectly illustrates why the police, social services, and politicians in the UK reacted to the grooming gangs in the half-hearted, 'it-can't-really-be-that-bad' manner that they did. There seems to be a desire amongst polite society (especially the English) to retain a sense of decency and to not stoop to the level of others. While this is a laudable ambition, it easily leads to the inability to understand that not everybody is noble, and consequently there are some people who are motivated by malevolence, and their actions are not simply accidental or due to circumstance. These 'civilised' types insist on projecting their own high-minded sensibilities onto others, and then try to rationalise other people's behaviour on the basis of those specious projections (inevitably underestimating the intensity of the animus, and thus the severity of the situation). People who espouse this sort of rhetoric remind me of these credulous hippy types who go on cycle or back-packing trips through third world countries to make some point about all people being essentially kind and good at heart, only to end up getting murdered by the locals.
This is just my take, but in the case of the grooming gangs, I don't think the police were seeing the best in either party (the groomers, or the victims). The police knew exactly who those guys were, what that culture was like, and those cops thought those girls who were being exploited were scum, basically. Too low down the pecking order to care about. I don't think there was an excess of civility within the police in that instance... But I take your point, in that the college of policing certainly is doing that, with regards to imposing Critical Theories ideas onto society through how they police. So I think the grooming gangs incident was the police (& others) turning to look the other way because the girls were viewed as society's expendables, and in combination with that, there was no political appetite to look into it because that went against the PC narrative. It certainly seems there's a lot of contradictions here, in that one moment the police are found to be racist and sexist (I'm sure that's true honestly), and the next moment via the College of Policing, they've swung round to being woke totalitarians. It seems to be an overcorrection. Frankly I think the police should be uncivil, in some sense. I sort of expect a particular kind of culture within the police, and I'm not sure it can be gotten rid of, or if it even should be. The police are not far removed from the military. Society seems very uneasy with masculinity and violence and use of force to keep social order. I don't think a society can hold together without that masculine structuring influence, and inevitably at times it's going to be ugly. Anyway I used to be a credulous hippy type in my 20s. Now in my 30s, the hell presented by the "kind and compassionate" brigade is a worse hell to the one where we understood that masculinity and "incivility" in some sense was a necessary piece of the societal picture. Incivility towards those who are undermining the society.
@@L_Martin Not been my experience in every area. I just watched someone on a documentary make a point about ‘police officers’ then give the example of one officer in one area. We don’t do that about Nurses and Doctors causing harm / missing basics - ‘they were ill anyway?’ However has been a shared database between police and other agencies for years apparently. Family has needed the help of social work etc. worth highlighting regional issues eg Child on parent violence (CPV) is recognised in England & Wales but not in Scotland. More priorities? The mind-set there is very far from the military! Thankfully.
And for being tolerant of the intolerant, and for being generally decent people, who try to rub along with everyone, we are seen as the scum of the earth, and our history is weaponised, and we aren't allowed to be proud of anything without several flagellating caveats. Meanwhile everyone else that comes here are seen as angels, proud and mighty, whilst at the same time being victims, and their own colonial and barbaric histories, as well as many of their current misogynistic, homophobic and racist actions, views, and crimes are just the product of cultural differences, and to even question it would be part unthinkable.
This "Don't look back in anger" reaction has been crafted by the home office. Whenever there is an atrocity they will immediately contact the victims and pressure them into reading out prepared statements. The recent Nottingham incident is a prime example.
That depends entirely on where the Immigrants come from a million Engineers from certain regions would be just as bad as a million labourers, could even be worse.
Liam Gallagher said that he thought the song was hijacked and misused, he clearly stated that you should be angry. It's wild to think that a song written about a failed relationship and not being bitter about that is used to rationalise and downplay the bombing of innocent people at a concert most of them being kids.
How could the politcians not see where this was going to end. Allowing thousands of people from a completely different set of morals, standards, religion and way of living into the country - and they absolutely cannot accept the Western way of life or the people.
Correction - MILLIONS of people! Ask Douglas Murray about the surveys amongst so-called "moderate Muslims": virtually NONE of them accept any LGBTq rights.
Secular humanists delude themselves into thinking they can convert the whole world, because they're totally ignorant of the fact that their worldview is an exclusively post-Christian one.
They can do what they please....Kids blown up....kids abused....teachers in hiding....Pathetic Tolerance in this country.... imagine the situation reversed.
In the UK what's striking is what's NOT said in the public space. Brexit happened - in my opinion, and I've thought about it a great deal - because of the fear and growing visceral dislike of Islam. Nothing is said out loud by MP's etc etc...
@@StephenSinclair-d6n I agree, emotion rather that reason won the day. A lot of people were just fed up and wanted to register a protest against "the system" rather than having any particular animus against the EU.
Putting two and two together that friend of DM the author who interviewed the girl victims was Mark Steyn . Ive heard him talking about his conversations with those girls and he brought their stories to a wider audience why he was at GB News . He also produced a series of youtube monologues called ' steynposts ' his one on the Manchester Arena jigadi attack is worth looking up . However there was a book written 'Easy Meat ' by Peter McLouchlin .
@@gelbsucht947 there was a couple of interviews of McLouchlin by a podcaster called ' Brian of Londpn " that was a few years back on YT but it might take a bit of tracking down now
I'm from Manchester and couldn't understand as to why this song was actually sang by people paying their respects to the victims of this horrific terrorist attack....
Unfortunately the ship has sailed, people only remember the big horror stories, it's not the big stuff it's the constant drip, drip effect & the complete erosion of our British culture, everyone said that post colonial white European settlers should leave Africa, Asia etc, now we must atone for passed sins by giving up everything that made us who we were. God save us from the political classes who will never have to live with people who hate our country & culture & blame us for their own issues.
The fact that ur still repeating the old boring "whyt colonialism" Iie that the Ieft cooked and served for u I'm not surprised we're in the situation that we're in.
What are the arabs doing in north africa? The turks in istanbul, the japanese on those islands? Actually we can ask, "what were north african arabs doing in western europe between the 16th-century and the early 19th-century?
They didn’t get justice never mind a peerage. Gavin was with a group of friends who, after a night out wandered into the predominantly Asian area of Glodwick in Oldham. They were chased by a gang of Pakistani youths who caught Gavin and proceeded to beat him senseless. He died from his injuries. No one has ever been charged with his murder, one suspect was not charged after several witnesses claimed he was working in an Indian restaurant at the time. The police have closed the case, which is unusual in a murder case and if you look at the news reports at the time, there is no mention of any racial motive.
Richard Everett. A young innocent boy murdered. After years of neglect (access was denied) the Developers have removed his memorial giving a lightweight promise of its return. No plaque in the pavement for him.
The Manchester bomber's mother had returned to Libya, her paid for house was empty but we were still putting £2000 per month into her account and the bomber had access to it. Where were the angry marches condemning islamic atrocities? Why were people making heart shapes with their hands? Feeble responce " l 🤍 Manchester"....... pathetic!! 🤬😡🤬🏴
Wasn't the phrase "Islamophobia" coined by The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt? That's what I was led to believe, but I've yet to see it confirmed/debunked. The fact of the matter is, no matter if it's Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus etc. We should never be afraid of criticising or questioning. That goes against our freedoms as a civilised society. The age of Social Media has coincided with the age of Virtue Signalling though...
My opinion is: "...you created a problem and you are telling other people to solve..." "...it did happen in my country. It happend at Manchester arena ..." The British response to it? "...much of my fury,. what was the British response to it? It was "don''t look back in anger.".." I would answer all Mr. Murray's questions with the following statemnet: When international politics stop meddling with other countries problems, then we might see an end to such atrocoities. Gone are the days of colonialism. Or is it??
You have to ask, should a civilised country ALWAYS behave in a civilised way towards the uncivilised? If civility does no good apart from maintaining your reputation, what use is it?
3:23 dude, that NEVER works if you are dramatically different. If the US and UK didn’t have so much in common (ethnicity, religion, democracy, etc) we NEVER would’ve become such close allies. Anyone who thinks a country like Syria will one day be BFFs with any Western nation needs their head checked 🫠
Fundamentally neither of these civic nationalists have the answers. Unless they are prepared to support repatriation then they are just conceding to the demographic trajectory
Honestly western imperialism and colonialism has far advanced the world's prosperity, so yeah I'm not mad at that. Should the British be mad that the Romans colonized them? Nope, it helped England to prosper and helped improve the lives of everyone there in the long run going forward. I hate how everyone acts like colonialism is bad, grow up and stop thinking like a child.
Why? Because I thought the west was build on judeo Christian values and the Bible has at least a couple of dozen passages saying that retaliating or reacting with anger leads to evil. This guy is so bad at consistent argumentation that I’m embarrassed Christopher Hitchens thought of him so highly.
@charlottebowes7666 - What on earth are you talking about? It would seem that you haven't read Douglas Murray's books - The Strange Death of Europe and The Madness of Crowds. You should read them before making uninformed comments.
Interesting the Mr. Murray uses exactly the same words to condemn blacks for "looking back in anger". So it's okay for white Brits to look back in anger, but not for anyone else. I suspect Murray's principles are as flexible as his language.
@@edda682 Well, they would certainly like to destroy that which kept them as second class citizens for hundreds of years. Think about this for a minute. How about statues of Yasir Arafat placed in prominent public places in Israel, for the edification of the Israelis. That is what USA blacks lived with since the USA civil war, the war to preserve legal slavery. Those who fought for slavery were turned into publicly venerated heroes. You think they should just forget that?
As if you are ever condemned for being angry with racist institutions or people, or even their children, or their children's children, or their children's children's children, or even institutions who once, generations before your birth, did something wrong. Absolute rubbish.
Yeah couldn't agree more. What an unbelievably stupid, crass, pathetic choice for a song in this context. They were murdered kids. Why in God's name wouldn't you look back in anger? The song is about a woman moving on from a failed relationship.
I will always give Ariana Grande a large pass for many things. Imagine a theatre girl, phenomenally successful, but still a theatre kid - in the middle of the MOST gangster situation.
I think his point was the meek, spineless response of the UK to the Manchester attack in comparison to the Israeli's response to Oct 7th. The UK public have been brainwashed to be meek and submissive.
look - Father (Judaism) Son (Christianity) Holy Ghost (Islam) - they are all the people of the books & they all worship the bull - time to think outside of the books?
Once you give in to hatred though, where does it end? Are the Chinese justified in hating the Japanese for their wartime atrocities against their country, including the rape of Nanking and Unit 731? Should the Boers in South Africa hate the British for the Boer War and Kitchener's concentration camps (the first in the world) in which thousands of them died? And how about the Hutus and the Tutsis in Rwanda, or the genocide of the Armenians in Turkey? And so on and so forth. N.B. This is not the same thing as wanting to end an ongoing abusive situation, which of course we're entirely justified in doing; but that's a separate issue.
@@LOCATIONREDACTED Fair enough, but our chosen response over the last few years has been to prioritise not punishing innocent people, i.e. to maintain that those Muslims who don't support terrorism, and are not guilty of it, should not have to suffer a penalty. We in Britain have what you could call a presumption of innocence in our system. Douglas Murray (along with others who agree with him, such as Geert Wilders) want to throw that out and say that if you're Muslim you shouldn't be welcome here (though Wilders has softened his stance recently as the price he felt he had to pay for electoral respectability).
If the goverment and media do not take action and are not seen to take action hate will grow because of there failure. Justice must be seen to be done but they don't want to stoke ethnic tension but that is percisely what will happen if they don't taken action. The communtiy should have been hauled of the coals in order to feel the necessary levels of public shame as should have the police. That might sound harsh but public shame is an important way in which we condemn the completely unacceptable. lets be clear comdemnation and hate are not the samething. So it boils down to what is more important the feelings of a community guilty of perpetrating rape and murder or the feelings of victims and their community. Political correctness at the expence of justice is injustice, injustice leeds to resentment and resentment to anger and anger to hate.
@@Treviscoe Douglas Murray has stated the obvious, almost all terrorist attacks in the UK were carried out by one particular group of people, the vast majority of knife related murders follow a similar pattern. If you listened to him, his argument is not that we shouldn't allow those people into the UK it is the massive numbers that have been allowed in over a relatively short space of time Adding to the problem is our MSM omits many of those facts from their coverage but if the perpetrator/victim equation is reversed they're all over it.
Yes. It's as Joseph Sobran once said; you don't get Anglican suicide bombers. We needed cheap labour after the war to rebuild the country, and (this is where Douglas may have a point), we also felt guilty about our role as an imperial nation, so we decided that anyone who was a citizen of a country that had been part of the British Empire would be fast tracked into British citizenship if they decided to move here. We probably failed to appreciate how many would want to come here, because this was at the beginning of the era of cheap, mass international travel. Just as Tony Blair in the 2000s didn't realise how many Eastern Europeans would want to come here when he supported the Eastern European countries in their bid to join the EU.
If, as a nation, you interfere or wage war on other nations shouldn't you expect some reaction ? Let's be honest, something Murray hasn't been, we as a nation created many of the problems in the middle east for commercial reasons. We have overthrown' or attempted to, nations there. Our interferences have created the rise of autocratic, murderous regimes, which we have supported or created religious extremism. But Murray is willing to forget all of that and bemoan the fact we have been attacked on our home soil. His little englander attitude is ridiculous
I agree that Western foreign policy is an atrocity and it has a lot to answer for, but the effects of mass immigration and multiculturalism should not be so nonchalantly dismissed. We should look towards implementing a foreign policy of noninterventionism and a domestic policy of national homogeneity. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
@@jgw9990 Which was committed because of our involvement in the Middle East, its called blowback. Maybe if we stopped trying to play world cop we wouldn't have to worry about terrorism as much, and we certainly wouldn't be legitimizing the anti-Western sentiments espoused by Muslims and Leftists.
@@jgw9990 Which was committed because of our intervention in the Middle East; its called blowback. Maybe if we stopped getting involved in the affairs of sovereign nations in pursuit of political and capital interests, we wouldn't have to worry so much about these things. And we certainly wouldn't be legitimizing the anti-Western sentiments we've become so accustomed to seeing.
I can't agree too much with this sentiment. The massed spineless capitulation to the Islamists after those girls were murdered was the moment that I knew this country was in real trouble.
@@StephenSinclair-d6n The Grenfell tower fire happened less than a month after the Manchester Arena bombing, it got "a bit" more publicity...
The worst part is the denial and cover-ups are still going on. The primary response to anyone mentioning this is "Shut up, you might hurt Muslim feelings".
Spot on - yet one was literally an accident, one anything but. @@jamonit7169
craziest part is that nobody in the media ever talks about this without mentioning islamophobia. as if that is the issue we should be concerned with.
Well here is the thing if, like Doug says, western society is built of judeo Christian values then retaliation or reaction in anger is one of the quickest paths to creating evil. Now you can have it both ways if you like but know that you’re being cognitively dissonant. You’re literally hypocritical in the worst way.
I’m having a difficult time figuring out who I have more contempt for, the media or government officials.
It's a clear call, the media. Politicians are politicians one cant expects them to act outside of their motivation structure.
The media changed colors from the watch dog of democracy to a lap dog of an agenda, de facto destabilized the healthy motivational structure in which politicians are accountable to the public's interests.
I've simplified it 4 myself. I loathe both. T media have their financial agenda. Politicians have their political party agenda. Pfizer r one of t leading advertisers for news corporations in western democracies. And lobbyists 4 major corporations have early access to t ears of politicians. Of which many were politicians themselves. Draining t swamp is impossible.
You act like they’re different. Especially in the UK, they are very much 1 in the same. Free speech is not a right in the UK.
Very, very, very good point.
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Douglas Murray the voice of reason ❤
He's a fascist but whatever floats your boat.
Hahahahah
Yes, the singing of ‘Don’t Look Back in Anger’ was portrayed as virtuous by the media. A ‘river of blood’ had just been perpetrated and anyone singing ‘Don’t Look Back in Anger’ effectively dismissed the murder of 22 girls/women and many more injured and maimed. It was disgusting. If you’re not going to get angry about a massacre you need your effing head examined.
This collective "Don't Look Back in Anger" response perfectly illustrates why the police, social services, and politicians in the UK reacted to the grooming gangs in the half-hearted, 'it-can't-really-be-that-bad' manner that they did. There seems to be a desire amongst polite society (especially the English) to retain a sense of decency and to not stoop to the level of others. While this is a laudable ambition, it easily leads to the inability to understand that not everybody is noble, and consequently there are some people who are motivated by malevolence, and their actions are not simply accidental or due to circumstance. These 'civilised' types insist on projecting their own high-minded sensibilities onto others, and then try to rationalise other people's behaviour on the basis of those specious projections (inevitably underestimating the intensity of the animus, and thus the severity of the situation). People who espouse this sort of rhetoric remind me of these credulous hippy types who go on cycle or back-packing trips through third world countries to make some point about all people being essentially kind and good at heart, only to end up getting murdered by the locals.
This is just my take, but in the case of the grooming gangs, I don't think the police were seeing the best in either party (the groomers, or the victims). The police knew exactly who those guys were, what that culture was like, and those cops thought those girls who were being exploited were scum, basically. Too low down the pecking order to care about. I don't think there was an excess of civility within the police in that instance...
But I take your point, in that the college of policing certainly is doing that, with regards to imposing Critical Theories ideas onto society through how they police. So I think the grooming gangs incident was the police (& others) turning to look the other way because the girls were viewed as society's expendables, and in combination with that, there was no political appetite to look into it because that went against the PC narrative. It certainly seems there's a lot of contradictions here, in that one moment the police are found to be racist and sexist (I'm sure that's true honestly), and the next moment via the College of Policing, they've swung round to being woke totalitarians. It seems to be an overcorrection. Frankly I think the police should be uncivil, in some sense. I sort of expect a particular kind of culture within the police, and I'm not sure it can be gotten rid of, or if it even should be. The police are not far removed from the military. Society seems very uneasy with masculinity and violence and use of force to keep social order. I don't think a society can hold together without that masculine structuring influence, and inevitably at times it's going to be ugly.
Anyway I used to be a credulous hippy type in my 20s. Now in my 30s, the hell presented by the "kind and compassionate" brigade is a worse hell to the one where we understood that masculinity and "incivility" in some sense was a necessary piece of the societal picture. Incivility towards those who are undermining the society.
@@L_Martin
Not been my experience in every area. I just watched someone on a documentary make a point about ‘police officers’ then give the example of one officer in one area. We don’t do that about Nurses and Doctors causing harm / missing basics - ‘they were ill anyway?’
However has been a shared database between police and other agencies for years apparently.
Family has needed the help of social work etc. worth highlighting regional issues eg Child on parent violence (CPV) is recognised in England & Wales but not in Scotland. More priorities?
The mind-set there is very far from the military! Thankfully.
And for being tolerant of the intolerant, and for being generally decent people, who try to rub along with everyone, we are seen as the scum of the earth, and our history is weaponised, and we aren't allowed to be proud of anything without several flagellating caveats. Meanwhile everyone else that comes here are seen as angels, proud and mighty, whilst at the same time being victims, and their own colonial and barbaric histories, as well as many of their current misogynistic, homophobic and racist actions, views, and crimes are just the product of cultural differences, and to even question it would be part unthinkable.
Douglas Murray is desperately needed as a politician. He would be really popular too.
Not looking back in anger.... is why the gangs are still there
‘Reasonable anger’ should be a recognised term
This "Don't look back in anger" reaction has been crafted by the home office. Whenever there is an atrocity they will immediately contact the victims and pressure them into reading out prepared statements. The recent Nottingham incident is a prime example.
Controlled immigration enriches a country, but unchecked uncontrolled Immigration destroys it. It has nothing to do with hate.
Think your correct.
That depends entirely on where the Immigrants come from a million Engineers from certain regions would be just as bad as a million labourers, could even be worse.
Spot on.
Emigration success depends on integration and those coming gave no interest in integration just plantation
But I thought Brexit meant that the UK had control over its borders?
Liam Gallagher said that he thought the song was hijacked and misused, he clearly stated that you should be angry. It's wild to think that a song written about a failed relationship and not being bitter about that is used to rationalise and downplay the bombing of innocent people at a concert most of them being kids.
How could the politcians not see where this was going to end. Allowing thousands of people from a completely different set of morals, standards, religion and way of living into the country - and they absolutely cannot accept the Western way of life or the people.
Correction - MILLIONS of people!
Ask Douglas Murray about the surveys amongst so-called "moderate Muslims": virtually NONE of them accept any LGBTq rights.
Oh they knew. They knew *exactly* how this would end. . . . . . .
Secular humanists delude themselves into thinking they can convert the whole world, because they're totally ignorant of the fact that their worldview is an exclusively post-Christian one.
Thank you for downloading this it puts into words what so many people feel and think.
The media had never talked to them....
They can do what they please....Kids blown up....kids abused....teachers in hiding....Pathetic Tolerance in this country.... imagine the situation reversed.
"We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged"
Heinrich Heine
Always enlightened by Mr.Murray.
In the UK what's striking is what's NOT said in the public space. Brexit happened - in my opinion, and I've thought about it a great deal - because of the fear and growing visceral dislike of Islam.
Nothing is said out loud by MP's etc etc...
Correct.
What's Brexit got to do with Islam though? Most Muslims never came from European countries and many were here before we even joined the EU.
@@Treviscoe your completely correct. In an intelligent thoroughly rational sense. Not talking about that though.
@@rogeralsop3479 I do think so.
@@StephenSinclair-d6n I agree, emotion rather that reason won the day.
A lot of people were just fed up and wanted to register a protest against "the system" rather than having any particular animus against the EU.
The kettle was supposed to stop boiling a long time ago, and it's still heating up!
These discussions are so important but sadly do not seem to educate the mindset of blinkered souls.
those who need to hear it are unlikely to ever listen to it
Putting two and two together that friend of DM the author who interviewed the girl victims was Mark Steyn . Ive heard him talking about his conversations with those girls and he brought their stories to a wider audience why he was at GB News .
He also produced a series of youtube monologues called ' steynposts ' his one on the Manchester Arena jigadi attack is worth looking up .
However there was a book written 'Easy Meat ' by Peter McLouchlin .
I‘ve read McLoughlin‘s book, which is excellent, but not widely known.
Thanks
@@gelbsucht947 there was a couple of interviews of McLouchlin by a podcaster called ' Brian of Londpn " that was a few years back on YT but it might take a bit of tracking down now
Well said Douglas; I wouldn’t forgive and definitely would and do look back in anger.
One of the Gallaghers said it best. You should be angry.
Douglas Murray hombre.
I do not know anyone british who takes the dont look back in anger view. This is just what the people in power want.
See islam for what it is. That is the first step....
I'm from Manchester and couldn't understand as to why this song was actually sang by people paying their respects to the victims of this horrific terrorist attack....
Unfortunately the ship has sailed, people only remember the big horror stories, it's not the big stuff it's the constant drip, drip effect & the complete erosion of our British culture, everyone said that post colonial white European settlers should leave Africa, Asia etc, now we must atone for passed sins by giving up everything that made us who we were. God save us from the political classes who will never have to live with people who hate our country & culture & blame us for their own issues.
The fact that ur still repeating the old boring "whyt colonialism" Iie that the Ieft cooked and served for u I'm not surprised we're in the situation that we're in.
What are the arabs doing in north africa?
The turks in istanbul, the japanese on those islands?
Actually we can ask, "what were north african arabs doing in western europe between the 16th-century and the early 19th-century?
Thank you for this insightful and candid discussion. Take care and keep up your good work in bringing these issues into the light. 👍🇦🇺
"What are we going to do about it" Well, first admit there is a problem. Then find the cause and find the best response possible.
Thank you Douglas Murry 😊Am Israel chai
I thought we were all just supposed to 'shut our mouths, for the sake of diversity' ? No? Not working? Try harder!
Murray is right: you first have to identify and name the enemy, then deal with them directly while ignoring the spineless.
Voice of Reason
Type Stephen Lawrence and you can’t go wrong, type Gavin Hopley, and you have to add Oldham to discover the mirror image of the Lawrence case.
I've never heard of Gavin Hopley, did his mother get a life peerage...
They didn’t get justice never mind a peerage. Gavin was with a group of friends who, after a night out wandered into the predominantly Asian area of Glodwick in Oldham. They were chased by a gang of Pakistani youths who caught Gavin and proceeded to beat him senseless. He died from his injuries. No one has ever been charged with his murder, one suspect was not charged after several witnesses claimed he was working in an Indian restaurant at the time. The police have closed the case, which is unusual in a murder case and if you look at the news reports at the time, there is no mention of any racial motive.
@@DavidSmith-fs5qj I feared something like that had happened but as you know (or possibly didn't) Stephen Lawrence's mother did get a peerage. cheers
They were Pakistani Muslims. Asian is too broad
They kill Sikhs or Chinese if they went into “their area”
Richard Everett. A young innocent boy murdered. After years of neglect (access was denied) the Developers have removed his memorial giving a lightweight promise of its return. No plaque in the pavement for him.
The Manchester bomber's mother had returned to Libya, her paid for house was empty but we were still putting £2000 per month into her account and the bomber had access to it. Where were the angry marches condemning islamic atrocities? Why were people making heart shapes with their hands? Feeble responce " l 🤍 Manchester"....... pathetic!! 🤬😡🤬🏴
Wasn't the phrase "Islamophobia" coined by The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt? That's what I was led to believe, but I've yet to see it confirmed/debunked.
The fact of the matter is, no matter if it's Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus etc. We should never be afraid of criticising or questioning. That goes against our freedoms as a civilised society.
The age of Social Media has coincided with the age of Virtue Signalling though...
@Snakbloke - Yes, it was. And it was coined precisely with the intention to prevent any criticism of Islamism.
I am so so sorry to hear this.
Sadly Britain is too far gone. Hopefully we can strengthen our border and prevent it in the US before we suffer the same.
When the majority of our people realize that there's no voting your way out of this, only then can we achieve change.
@bartleybutsford7259 Nationalist revolutions
I don’t whats worse living among muslims or living among cowards 🧐
My opinion is: "...you created a problem and you are telling other people to solve..." "...it did happen in my country. It happend at Manchester arena ..." The British response to it? "...much of my fury,. what was the British response to it? It was "don''t look back in anger.".." I would answer all Mr. Murray's questions with the following statemnet: When international politics stop meddling with other countries problems, then we might see an end to such atrocoities.
Gone are the days of colonialism. Or is it??
Sir Douglas Murray KBE
Really pleased you now have a channel Winston. I have Subscribed. Keep up the good fight.
You have to ask, should a civilised country ALWAYS behave in a civilised way towards the uncivilised? If civility does no good apart from maintaining your reputation, what use is it?
I agree with morrissey on this
Enough with the cultural enrichment experiment.
Whether it's Marx, or Islam, authorities are scared to name and shame.
Can you guys start up a British version of the Daily Wire?
3:23 dude, that NEVER works if you are dramatically different. If the US and UK didn’t have so much in common (ethnicity, religion, democracy, etc) we NEVER would’ve become such close allies. Anyone who thinks a country like Syria will one day be BFFs with any Western nation needs their head checked 🫠
Can I apologise too the Israeli people for not supporting them sooner in life. 🇮🇪
If we dont, we would go under or mad.
Fundamentally neither of these civic nationalists have the answers. Unless they are prepared to support repatriation then they are just conceding to the demographic trajectory
It’s not wgat gonna do about it but now we have to do something about it and that takes making a decision and potentially changing one’s way of life!
when they look back in anger for simple drawings, we should not look back in anger for the killing of our youth?
Douglas murray is so much smarter than me that I'm peanut butter and jealous.
Frightening.
Don't look back in anger.... unless it's about imperialism and colonialism from centuries ago.
Honestly western imperialism and colonialism has far advanced the world's prosperity, so yeah I'm not mad at that. Should the British be mad that the Romans colonized them? Nope, it helped England to prosper and helped improve the lives of everyone there in the long run going forward. I hate how everyone acts like colonialism is bad, grow up and stop thinking like a child.
@@reegs2162 I would agree somewhat. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of how leftists cherry pick when and where to apply their "principles".
Lorraine Cox
It goes both ways.
Why? Because I thought the west was build on judeo Christian values and the Bible has at least a couple of dozen passages saying that retaliating or reacting with anger leads to evil. This guy is so bad at consistent argumentation that I’m embarrassed Christopher Hitchens thought of him so highly.
Noel Gallagher is one of my most beloved humans on the planet, but the use of his song was pathetic and manipulative. On a grand scale.
Someones controlling t narrative here. My comment was deleted. And it was within community guidelines.. edit..Unsubscribed.
Mr Murray doesn’t seem to know one doesn’t take one’s eyes off a threat until they leave…
@charlottebowes7666 - What on earth are you talking about? It would seem that you haven't read Douglas Murray's books - The Strange Death of Europe and The Madness of Crowds. You should read them before making uninformed comments.
@@wiseonwords I needn’t bother wasting my time reading his books. I got his measure and yours 😎
You should try to get James Linday, Helen Pluckrose, ShortFatOtaku, Sargon of Akkad, Etc.
Interesting the Mr. Murray uses exactly the same words to condemn blacks for "looking back in anger". So it's okay for white Brits to look back in anger, but not for anyone else. I suspect Murray's principles are as flexible as his language.
Blacks looking back in anger and destroying everything, Love Murray
@@edda682 Well, they would certainly like to destroy that which kept them as second class citizens for hundreds of years. Think about this for a minute. How about statues of Yasir Arafat placed in prominent public places in Israel, for the edification of the Israelis. That is what USA blacks lived with since the USA civil war, the war to preserve legal slavery. Those who fought for slavery were turned into publicly venerated heroes. You think they should just forget that?
Oh shut up caveman.
Murray is first and foremost a bigot
As if you are ever condemned for being angry with racist institutions or people, or even their children, or their children's children, or their children's children's children, or even institutions who once, generations before your birth, did something wrong. Absolute rubbish.
Yeah couldn't agree more. What an unbelievably stupid, crass, pathetic choice for a song in this context. They were murdered kids. Why in God's name wouldn't you look back in anger? The song is about a woman moving on from a failed relationship.
I will always give Ariana Grande a large pass for many things.
Imagine a theatre girl, phenomenally successful, but still a theatre kid - in the middle of the MOST gangster situation.
Trying to attach October 7th to the Manchester bombing is pure propaganda. Used to be a Douglas fan but this has become to subversive.
I think his point was the meek, spineless response of the UK to the Manchester attack in comparison to the Israeli's response to Oct 7th. The UK public have been brainwashed to be meek and submissive.
The degree is much smaller, but the essence is similar. You don’t think so?
How is it pure propaganda? Radical Muslims being radical Muslims.
look - Father (Judaism) Son (Christianity) Holy Ghost (Islam) - they are all the people of the books & they all worship the bull - time to think outside of the books?
TOTAL B.S.
@@buzsalmon exactly! good for you - i like a man with the courage of his convictions
very cool image, thanks.
Once you give in to hatred though, where does it end?
Are the Chinese justified in hating the Japanese for their wartime atrocities against their country, including the rape of Nanking and Unit 731? Should the Boers in South Africa hate the British for the Boer War and Kitchener's concentration camps (the first in the world) in which thousands of them died? And how about the Hutus and the Tutsis in Rwanda, or the genocide of the Armenians in Turkey? And so on and so forth.
N.B. This is not the same thing as wanting to end an ongoing abusive situation, which of course we're entirely justified in doing; but that's a separate issue.
No one mentioned hatred. Extreme defence response was needed.
@@LOCATIONREDACTED Fair enough, but our chosen response over the last few years has been to prioritise not punishing innocent people, i.e. to maintain that those Muslims who don't support terrorism, and are not guilty of it, should not have to suffer a penalty.
We in Britain have what you could call a presumption of innocence in our system. Douglas Murray (along with others who agree with him, such as Geert Wilders) want to throw that out and say that if you're Muslim you shouldn't be welcome here (though Wilders has softened his stance recently as the price he felt he had to pay for electoral respectability).
If the goverment and media do not take action and are not seen to take action hate will grow because of there failure. Justice must be seen to be done but they don't want to stoke ethnic tension but that is percisely what will happen if they don't taken action. The communtiy should have been hauled of the coals in order to feel the necessary levels of public shame as should have the police. That might sound harsh but public shame is an important way in which we condemn the completely unacceptable. lets be clear comdemnation and hate are not the samething. So it boils down to what is more important the feelings of a community guilty of perpetrating rape and murder or the feelings of victims and their community. Political correctness at the expence of justice is injustice, injustice leeds to resentment and resentment to anger and anger to hate.
@@Treviscoe Douglas Murray has stated the obvious, almost all terrorist attacks in the UK were carried out by one particular group of people, the vast majority of knife related murders follow a similar pattern.
If you listened to him, his argument is not that we shouldn't allow those people into the UK it is the massive numbers that have been allowed in over a relatively short space of time
Adding to the problem is our MSM omits many of those facts from their coverage but if the perpetrator/victim equation is reversed they're all over it.
Yes. It's as Joseph Sobran once said; you don't get Anglican suicide bombers.
We needed cheap labour after the war to rebuild the country, and (this is where Douglas may have a point), we also felt guilty about our role as an imperial nation, so we decided that anyone who was a citizen of a country that had been part of the British Empire would be fast tracked into British citizenship if they decided to move here.
We probably failed to appreciate how many would want to come here, because this was at the beginning of the era of cheap, mass international travel. Just as Tony Blair in the 2000s didn't realise how many Eastern Europeans would want to come here when he supported the Eastern European countries in their bid to join the EU.
If, as a nation, you interfere or wage war on other nations shouldn't you expect some reaction ? Let's be honest, something Murray hasn't been, we as a nation created many of the problems in the middle east for commercial reasons. We have overthrown' or attempted to, nations there. Our interferences have created the rise of autocratic, murderous regimes, which we have supported or created religious extremism. But Murray is willing to forget all of that and bemoan the fact we have been attacked on our home soil. His little englander attitude is ridiculous
I agree that Western foreign policy is an atrocity and it has a lot to answer for, but the effects of mass immigration and multiculturalism should not be so nonchalantly dismissed. We should look towards implementing a foreign policy of noninterventionism and a domestic policy of national homogeneity. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Involvement in the middle east increased in response to the 911 terror attacks
@@jgw9990 Which was committed because of our involvement in the Middle East, its called blowback. Maybe if we stopped trying to play world cop we wouldn't have to worry about terrorism as much, and we certainly wouldn't be legitimizing the anti-Western sentiments espoused by Muslims and Leftists.
@@jgw9990 Which was committed because of our intervention in the Middle East; its called blowback. Maybe if we stopped getting involved in the affairs of sovereign nations in pursuit of political and capital interests, we wouldn't have to worry so much about these things. And we certainly wouldn't be legitimizing the anti-Western sentiments we've become so accustomed to seeing.
@@jgw9990 Which was committed because of our pre-existing involvement in the Middle East; its called blowback.