Tim, I sincerely feel that when you have a guest on your channel, it would be beneficial to all if you could refrain from constantly interrupting them while they are making a point. Your frequent outbursts made this program difficult to follow at times and gave the impression that you were more interested in being "right" as opposed to simply and politely hearing the answers to the questions you had asked in the first place. A lot of wonderful information here just the same. Thank you for making this available.
Sorry you object to that style Bob. My motivation is far from wanting to be right however. It is to prevent the person I am talking to going into a 'speaking routine' which all speakers (including myself) often do. That is where someone repeats well rehearsed stories or arguments. This is OK in interviews, but I am not doing 'interviews' at all. I am doing 'private conversations' made public and my greatest desire is for authentic connection and inquiry together, which nearly always happens it seems as participants love the experience ... including Prem I am delighted to say. However ... I completely understand this can be frustrating for people watching who are interested in hearing more of what someone has to say, where I think they are missing or avoiding the real question so I push things on. In which case I simply suggest people turn my video off and seek out one of the many videos in which the person is interviewed or gives a talk in which they have full scope to roll with their ideas.
This is a very deep conversation and I'm Learning Even more , interspursed with laughter and Joy along the Path, Great Master Prem Rawat Thanks so much for introducing me to myself.
Tim, I think your courageous and honest way of conducting the interview with Prem is great and I have great appreciation for it. For me the best interview I have ever seen with Prem. No facade and all the courage to ask everything without shyness.
I second that - Tim's questions were so intelligent and probing (in a good way) and Prem got right down into the nitty gritty with Ti in a way I have never seen Prem do before. Most inspiring.
Except Tim should have pushed the narrative on the N.D.E. issue further, and maybe given Prem a deeper insight into how profound these experiences really are. I seriously believe that it is quite possible, Prem is so focused on giving people the experience here and now while we are alive, he simply will not acknowledge this life after death narrative, maybe he feels people will just get too complacent and not bother practicing knowledge. :)
@@baragentledragon , I think Prem's take on it is definitive fact. NDE's are NEAR death experiences. The infinite lives within us, and Prem shows folks how to experience that for themselves. Finding a quiet repose within oneself, versus chasing things with my ideas, beliefs and concepts... the latter is what most of my life experience has been. Although the latter connotes more "activity", it is WAY easier to do, then sit in quiet and witness life within. NDE's may well be a road sign that gives me great comfort, because they suggest there's something beyond this life... pursuit of information about them doesn't feed my heart as much as sitting in quiet repose making myself available to experiencing the infinite. The commitment to quietude in seeking experience of the divine, is the most difficult commitment I have ever experienced... and easily the most rewarding
@@stiteam8788 I agree, and i have knowledge 45 years, incredible joy and bliss, i dont actually go looking for information on ndes, i have a very close pal who died, and he saw my 2 friends and my sister in this experience, he said it was more real than anything he had ever experienced here. and it was lovely to feel, my sister and friends are still somehow being looked after. Simple. He was an atheist. He still doesnt follow a religion, but he knows the infinite exists,and thats good enough for him.
Prem Rawat keeps simplifying the process of reaching out more and more people around the World and introducing them to the message of humanity and prace. He is utillizing modern technology and tools to reach out people from all walks of life. His relentless efforts are making big difference in many people's lives. They are having beautiful transformation in their lives. My heartfelt best wishes to you Mr Prem Rawat. I sincerely feel thankful to you for helping me experience inner peace which is real and reliable. Tons of thanks for your Noble Work.
The words that are coming out of Prem Rawat's mouth have nothing to do with opinion. It is pure KNOWING. Thank you for this beautiful interview and wise questions.
A great discussion ! Tim I have the Experience Prem is talking about , he introduced me to it over 40 years ago , I have also had a Near Death Experience. Im not sure why Prem shies away from acknowledging NDE. When I was about 14 years old I became very sick with a kidney infection. With several doctors in attendance in my room at home I became unconscious and they feared the worst. To them I was about to die. For me it was very different. I remember rising up and looking down on my bed , perplexed as to who was lying in my bed. I could hear the murmur of the panicking Doctors and could clearly see them. Rising further up through the ceiling which seemed transparent I was still able to see down at the commotion that was focused on someone in my bed. I did not recognize it as my body. How could it be me, I was up here and feeling quite fine. I was also slipping into a state of just being and excepting rather than questioning . At about 100 feet ( I don't remember exactly ) I lost focus or interest in the goings on below and I just remember drifting through blackness while feeling totally whole and well, warm, content, peaceful, and most defiantly alive. Its a long time ago , I don't remember anything more , I woke up in a Hospital bed with tubes and beeping machines , within a week or so I made a full recovery . That experience was very real, no dream or illusion . I may have prompted me to embark on the journey to " know thy self" . About 10 years later I learnt and practiced the Techniques taught by Prem Rawat. I was a diligent and serious student . It doesn't take 10 years to learn the Techniques , they only take a few minutes to learn. What takes the time is to prepare the ground and to unlearn or to release the hold of your concepts. I had prepared the ground well and when I was shown how to apply the techniques I did , there and then see into, hear into and feel into, the Infinite . The two things that struck me the most were , (1 the Infinite was not where I was expecting it to be... and (2 It was where joy comes from , all the joy , all the love , all the peace. I also knew my self, instantly. Im not saying I know all of my self , Im sure there is more , but I do know which part of me is " my self " . I would never have found it on my own, I was always looking in the wrong places.
I had the same experience on LSD. The experiences available now when fully alive are much more beautiful, sustainable and in our control. I prefer the experience of this life, which Prem constantly helps me feel by sharing his wisdom. The human brain has many capacities, as we all experience in dreams and imagination. I don't feel the need to project them in order to feel better about my existence. Heaven is in our grasp, right here, if you really want it. Soon enough, we will find out about what's next. Exercise patience and seize the day!
I remember Prem taking about NDE. He said that those people were still alive... there is no such thing like a person was near dead. It's like you can't near eat your sandwich... or some similar example. So, it's an interesting experience but you were alive . Luckily 🍀!!! I remember I was drowning as a child and I felt so peaceful even though I understood that I was going to die. My sister jumped into the water and saved me. Lucky 🍀 me! 😆
@@prijevodib2139 I think there is so much excellent research into NDE's now that Prem's perspective is worth challenging. Not least because there is no explanation from this perspective for the great similarities in the structure of people's experience and the corroboration of people's 'out of body' experiences. We have such a large number of these accounts now, our knowledge is growing all the time.
@@TimFreke1 mercifully, when there is massive trauma, the body sometimes responds with a comforting experience. I think it is more a survival tool. In any event, counting on it for your present sense of security is a more religious hope. I prefer the certainty of knowing I have a choice to feel freedom clarity wisdom strength joy and limitless fulfillment which Prems gift of the knowledge of the self, not the ego, provides. The River of Answers within. I can still play with fanciful ideas for amusement, but I don't have to take mind games too seriously. They can lead to unattractive qualities like arrogance.
Tim, that was a lovely interview with Prem that I just saw thank you. You remind me of many sincere people I come across in my time who have aquired a thirst and a desire to "suss it out". Consequently this thirst is addressed frequently by reading various scriptures and opening up to alternative ideas etc. I live in California and it's full of so called spiritual people who are proud of their beliefs. Tim you have just been with a Master and all I feel to say is empty your cup of all you ideas and simply and sincerely ask for the Knowledge. You will then have the experience of what he's talking about and will have fulfilled your life.
A wonderful two way heartfelt exchange, I was gripped all the way through...I think I even experienced that timelessness..Many thanks to you both Tim and Prem.
Prem puts the experience into words that I never can, in a simple, easy to understand way. The experience itself answers many questions asked and yet unasked. Thanks for this interview. 💜
The wisdom of the ages, pages and sages dwell in the beautiful sanctuary of the heart,in the realm of feeling.Just like a menu can wonderfully describe the food but can never take away my hunger,questions can wet my appetite,but it is in the beautiful feeling from within my heart that ultimately answers my deepest longings.💚
My question to Tim is : why are you interrupting a lot when the guest is speaking? Is it really essential to interrupt every seconds before the guest is completing the answer? Guest is making crystal clear and easy to the every Quest. Overall very beautiful chat . I liked it.
I don’t do interviews with guests I have conversations with other people I invite to explore ideas with me. And to really get down to ideas often in my experience we need to question what we say to each other in ways that in an interview you would simply let pass.
@@TimFreke1 1:09 was preety long chat but fruitful chat. The thing that PREM is talking about is not luxury but need. Hope world leaders and allkey people will give a thought on what he is doing to create a peace (one person at a time) in this world from decades. If his message can bring a hope to the inmates in prison it can do a lot more to the world.
Thanks. It's what anyone needs to hear and think about. After all, the most important thing should be to find the answer to the question, "What is Life?", while we can ask.
What an amazing interview and discussion! I smiled so many times. Tim, I loved your sincere curiosity and willingness to explore the topic broadly and deeply. I also appreciated Prem's sense of "no holds barred" and laying it all out there. Wonderful!
I found Mr Freke’s interview style to be lacking of listening to anything Mr. Rawat says. Mr. Freke seems more intent on establishing his own intellectual prowess, while constantly interrupting and over-riding many of the points Mr Rawat makes. Unfortunately that style made the conversation, as engaging as the topics were, less pleasant to listen to. I did enjoy many of the insights Mr. Rawat shared about knowing one’s self and experiencing the divine.
I am very happy that you had this interview with Prem, I have been practising Knowledge for 50+ years now. Prem has always directed people to practice the knowledge (meditation) and enjoy the experience for themselves. This is something we can do practically. A wonderful thing that is within yourself. So happy that you ask these questions and listen to Prems answers. Thank you so much for having this available for all to hear.
What did Prem teach me? Its not his words, that helped me. Its not his ideas, that helped me. When a student asked Buddha, how to reach that state of pure consciousness, this silent place, this feeling where all is well and all stress disappears, Buddha said to his young student: do you see that lake? The student said yes. Is the water silent now and can you see your reflection clearly in it? The student went to the lake and saw his clear reflection. Now throw these stones in the lake and try to see your own reflection. The student did that , could not see his reflection and came back and asked, what this meant. These stones are your thoughts and make your mind restless, so you cannot see yourself. To see and know yourself, to reach this state of pure consciousness , you have to be silent and if you want, i can teach you how. About 45 years ago Prem did teach me this, how to be silent and go inside, without words, without concepts . Still every day too many stones are thrown in my lake, by myself, my thoughts, my fears, my expectations and me reading the news or " the noise" outside me. I thank Prem, for showing me these 4 magical ways, to go inside and feel my inner peace. I hope for everybody watching this very beautiful interview by Tim, that one day, you also receive this greatest gift of all gifts, as Prem has given and showed me, so many years ago. It is more precious than the birth of my very beautiful son, more fulfilling than feeling the love of my parents, more relaxing than spending time with my best friends. What is it? To be able to enjoy and feel my breath this way is even closer and more precious to me, than spending time with my parents, my son and my girlfriend. I hope they are not mad at me, when they read this, but what could ever be more important for me than my breath and the gift, to enjoy every breath to the fullest and flying higher and higher, to a place ( consciousness, experience, joy, freedom, peace, gratitude) i never knew, before i went there. Thank you Tim, thank you Prem, now i know how to live , how to love and know myself and appreciate my breath more, than any words could ever express !
Tim is so very much like myself. I even had my own "sitting on a Hill" time as a child. I had just attended my own 9th Birthday at home. I slipped away as it was getting very dark (I was born in April) and about 150 yds from where I lived was a little hill on some common ground. I sat down atop it and had a marvellous view of the skies - this was in 1959 and light pollution wasn't so bad back then - I remember looking at the stars and galaxies then reflecting on what I saw and witnessed around me here on Earth and was also dumbfounded why others were not also talking about the stupendous fact of their own existence! Many years later I was a "hippy" but was too stoned to make it that Glastonbury festival where Prem spoke. One of my friends DID attend and boy did I regret my laziness. He told me that before this "little Indian Boy" came up to speak the festival had got a little"heavy" a lot of drug use and people doing "their own thing" but that after he spoke he then described even hardcore hippy types holding hands and dancing in circles with tears of joy streaming down their faces but no one could explain it as it was just a feeling! Two years later after meeting another old friend one whom I regarded as one of the more cynical types of hippy - I saw something in his eyes and recognised it. I somehow KNEW he had discovered what I was also looking for and a few weeks later - I was granted the gift that he called "Knowledge" too. On that day I was reborn when I was enabled to experience within me that which is impossible to describe but is of that infinite magic that comes from the conjoining with the finite with the infinite and through the blessing of being in a human body I was able to become conscious of that magic marriage within.
@@TimFreke1 The beauty of Prem's offering is that it is repeatable at will, not just a one time event. How many times can you NDE? Well, maybe a few, but you'd have to be in bad shape. Anyone notice how pleasant and humble Prem is during an interview, and he has done many. Tim is one of the most insistently skeptical. Some like. that sort of combative argument. I prefer a calm and respectful dialogue. I admire Prem's patience, I think everyone has had at least one "on top of the hill" experience.
@@Don-co9zs I really don’t think Prem needs defending by you my friend. From what happened at the time and what I’ve heard afterwards he thoroughly enjoyed an animated intelligent conversation. It is a shame there are a handful of his followers who find that so threatening. One of the reasons it is a shame is that it makes him look bad and a sort of cult leader when he doesn’t deserve that from my experience.
Tim I just want to add that this knowledge that Prem Rawat is offering is not spiritual , if that's what people want its not for them . This is the experience of that which is Solid.
Tim and Prem, that was a great interview, some of those, Lovers of knowledge, seem to be quite mean spirited in their criticism of your conversation with him, hmmm i wonder what it says about them. I get why you continued asking question, what seemed to many, interruptions. Prem offers that inner connection in a simple and clear way, that's what he knows about and passionately pu rsues.. You shared your NDE with him and the resonance you shared with your mother after her passing. He was too dismissive, because he never experienced it for himself, he simply does not know. I thought you were very respectful in answering him, that he is taking it too lightly. You have a beautiful mind and great heart and so does he, i loved it, Thank you.
Thank you so much Mr. Freke! I found your approach to Mr. Rawat very intelligent. He is as first a "normal" witty human being like us and that is even possibly a greater challenge for us then approaching him as a "different" being. We have incredible potential in us and people like Prem Rawat, Leonardo Da Vinci, J. S. Bach to cite only 3, have escalated into themselves to bring treasures out...am I doing that too? That is for me a really great challenge.
Everyone must watch this conversation, it's worth. Thank you Tim for asking questions(it seems all are my questions) and Prem for giving true answers which I need to experience.
I enjoyed your interaction Tim and your genuineness. Appreciate the effort and the exchange and liked a lot of your questions - (a few less interruptions would make it easier to listen to). Interesting when you asked about Prem shaking off the old indian paradigms to get to the present way he presents himself. I do think you cannot understand what Prem is talking about with your mind. Its a message of the heart.
This was a fabulous interview. Thank you for asking the questions we all need answers to. Thank you Prem for being so patient and clear. A wonderful listen and I’ll be listening again. I feel that there were a few things that Prem would have been able to elaborate on (which I was very interested to hear) but Tim, you interrupted and they weren’t fully expressed. A second interview? ✨🥰❤️🙏🏽
In the last few days my entire perspective has been reframed and without restriction. Lots happening for me as a result of coming across your channel Tim. Thank you.
IT IS ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE LIFE IT SELF BY KNOWING THEY SELF (WHO WE ARE? WHO AM I?) OUR EXSISTENCE ITS MEANING FOR A SHORT WHILE FOR BEING ALIVE THANK YOU MAHARA JI SRI PREM RAWAT JI
Yet I’m sure that wouldn’t apply to explanations concerning aerodynamics. Why does it apply to some things and not others? And what is the criteria I wonder?
Wow, Tim, that was a wonderful conversation, I enjoyed it very very much! Good, searching, questions that elicited answers that clarified how Prem understands Life (...the Universe, and Everything) - with answers that I found very enlightening, and was very happy to hear. He's the sanest man I know of, and always keeps coming back to focus on the simplicity of his main message, and your mutual conversation revealed that simple focus, and how he prioritises it, very clearly. It's what *I* could always do with hearing, as a reminder that that's what works best for me. Thank you for sharing this, Tim, it's done me good. P.S. Not important I know, but where was the hill where the 12 year old you had that lovely mystical kick-start?
(Madeleine not Nigel RIP but I have his account) 👋 That was an awesome conversation Tim! I loved it that it was kinda like a debate! Took me back to when I first met you in the 80s - when you came up to Alston with Theo I think it was. I had a sort-of NDE experience way back and will tell you about it in a FB message if that’s OK? I was thinking about it a lot when you and Prem were talking NDEs. I also wished Prem had mentioned Time when you got on to the part about Evolution… and how Prem was saying the infinite doesn’t change and you said maybe it was Evolving. Wow I thought… loved it! Then I thought, but Evolution necessarily implies Time and what if it’s that the Infinite is not in Time? Timeless in other words😊❤️ 🌈
We are what we practice. When we understand the difference between truth & belief, knowledge & information, entelechy & intellect - choose wisely & practice well.✌️❤️
Mr Freke, you are complicating all this. It's simple very very simple. What do you need to know to drink water? Absolutely nothing, it feels good, your thirst is quenched it's as simple as that.❤
Hmmm. There is of course the simplicity to things but I think if you pay attention you’ll see that the universe is also extremely complex. It seems foolish to me to choose either the simplicity or the complexity when we can be conscious of both as we live in both.
Thank you for getting back to me and I agree but let the wonderful curiosity of the universe live in the domain of the brain, the mind. But let simplicity be the domain of the heart. To live this life consciously one needs the heart of a child but the brain of a fox
@@jamescolpas Or to put it another way The amazing insight one can have as a human being when the finite and the infinite come together How can that impossible paradox that ever be just an explanation It is far more than that
I totally agree UK there is so much we can understand and then there is a point where it's beyond our understanding and it simply must be felt. And oh that feeling that incredible credible feeling of pure sweet love❤🙏❤
Hi Tim - Sorry about some of my comments on the other video of you and Rupert as they sounded a little bit critical and also I had a few concerns and frustrations with where you going. You seem like a sound guy who is very knowledgable indeed and I watch your videos and see snippets of your deeper knowledge and wisdom and I know you know the truths that always remain yet you also come across as some who is looking for something completely new and distinct from all that as gone before. I understanding you are seeking for new ideas and probably not letting those truths interfere too much with the defining of new ideas otherwise they will be old ideas just expressed in the new ways. To think of new ideas requires this method and then later we see where they fall relatively to the truth we know or except and in some cases in line with beliefs which will all test the validity of any new idea. Sometimes time I am just the old truth with a few beliefs working through your new ideas which is intuitively frustrating sometimes, intrigued at other times and pleasantly surprised often with your ideas. I could write a great deal in these comments about what you and the person you are speaking to in these videos are discussing as they are very inspirational, frustrating and wonderful Intuition by the way enables us to have a knowledge of an experience that is hugely far more comprehensive than thought but works with a level of intelligence that is beyond full comprehension using concepts and words etc. You know the intelligence of intuition and its from there I watch the workings of my brain ultimately (often I am not impressed with it lol) (The back seat driver that normally gives the front seat driver the directions of where it wants to go but that front seat driver can convince itself that it knows better often). There are so many experiences I would like to share and insights I have and i know I will never write a book so sometimes I get carried away with my comments. I know you will have thousands of people wanting to share their experiences and insights too as that is the world of spirituality - must drive you nuts at times. I will try and keep my comments brief and few. When I first started doing research on my experience of oneness I very early on came across The Hermetic Tradition and purchased your book The Hermitica which was an excellent read and propelled me onwards in my seeking. I had no idea then who you were and had not paid any attention about the author - Later I came across you again and then a little later the connection was made regarding the book. I have since read a good few of your other books which I found very interesting. I think dismissing previous ideas and the whole theory of consciousness is not wise as its one of the best theories out there and even if you managed to prove it wrong it still has great value but that up to you and that's all I will say. Last 5-6 years I have turned the internet inside and out and read a reasonable amount and together with my own experience of oneness find that the theory of all being in consciousness very difficult to try and dismiss completely and I have hit it from every direction. I have to say though if the empty mind state is the conscious state of consciousness I don't want to go there but if it is the peaceful/restful state of and experienced knowing dual state (including an accumulated collective truth - Love) Then that's fine by me. The oneness I experienced was the truth that expresses itself as love. I have given that experience of oneness a great deal of thought recently and have a number of perspectives about it that do not negate it but are interesting interpretations - inspired by your videos
Criticism of my ideas isn't a problem my friend. Keep exploring! Just so you know ... i didn't set out to discover my previous ideas about consciousness were wrong ... i was reluctantly forced to this conclusion. But I am so glad i went with the process, because where I have ended up is so much better.
@@TimFreke1 That's fair enough. I would imagine that believing a great deal that all is consciousness (and its convincing) and then discovering that actually it is a theory is quite the realisation and that can have a negative impact for a while but a positive result in knowing that now you know the truth but also that everything exists in consciousness is one of spiritualities best theories . I hope in time you will see the positive insights that Non dualism offers as well. You have made me think about it in more detail but I have always had problems with Non Dualism from the position of no self, emptiness, one absolute state etc as there is no logical or spiritual bridge from an absolute non dual sate to duality and I could only ever imaging a non dual state as something that has a dual nature in some capacity but is at rest/peace/inactive etc etc I actually re-read your Lucid Living book again yesterday and although for me its a little brief it is full of great still valid ideas many of which have their roots in an understanding that required knowledge of Non dualism on various levels. The only criticism I have on the book was that it referred to a state awareness as emptiness in some context at one point but it was relative to what you were explaining. If you empty (or imagine emptying) your conscious mind of thoughts, sensory perceptions and all its related experiences (feelings) etc you arrive at a state of awareness that is empty and a lot of Non dualists have run with that idea of emptiness together with no self and defined a Non Dual state of emptiness as either emptiness or they have applied a single type of experience to it like Bliss etc and you don't have to worry what kind of bliss you experience in the non dual state because you will not exist as you will be bliss itself - Which is a philosophical cul de sac that always results in bliss when you ask but how will I know and appreciate that and is it enough etc - Very clever But ultimately you can just say that any non dual state is irrelevant unless there is some means to appreciate it which requires a relative dual perception on some level - Its just isness I did the exercise as Rupert and non dualists do of removing all the clothes of my consciousness many many years ago and thought yes consciousness is empty and I am only aware in relation to something else and as there is not anything else I am just isness or pure awareness or nothing or perfection or infinite or emptiness etc etc etc but then I thought how the hell do you go from Non dualism to dualism and saying God just does and I can't comprehend it is nonsense and that's when it occurred to me that all though my consciousness is empty and there is nothing relative or other to define me I am ultimately just a dual nature in a state of rest/peace/inactivity etc and that dual nature remains the best explanation for everything I experience including the possibility of oneness (A dual nature at one with itself but with qualities), unity, collective consciousness, rest, peace, satisfaction etc etc which are all non dual states that are far more satisfying that can be appreciated with the dual experience that got us there - Obviously these states are not for eternity or its isness again. With regards to infinite how could you possibly experience that completely have time to do anything anything else - I think you can sense/know infinity where no boundaries exist but you can't possibly experience it completely as it takes forever - I just thought about that the other day Life is like one long bloody argument where you have come to agree on many things but you continue to question it to test its validity and enrich/evolve it into something more in some capacity and appreciate it more without losing the truth you had originally established - That is the story of life and society.
@@TimFreke1 Tim you are obviously a good and complex guy subject to you continual seeking and you take me on a rollercoaster of thinking and compassionate concern for you and where you are going that manifests in different ways in my comments - There is a hell of a lot of good but there is frustration and concern etc and ultimately its all up to you what you do and choose to believe in. Having reading some of your books and listened to you I get a little frustrated and upset with you when you tell us all your previous books are wrong only on a light hearted level as I am opened minded with spirituality and also know that you are just questioning some of your core beliefs from which many of your ideas in your books come from but ultimately all you have done is realised that all is consciousness is a theory and actually the best spiritual theory there is and at worst all your books refer to that best theory that spirituality has to other and yes possibly some ideas here and there in your books might refer to views in non dualism that you no longer believe in or you have seen through. Well with spirituality that will always be the case as it is not possibly to define it absolutely - I strongly suggest that most of your ideas in your previous books are still valid in numerous ways as insights into spirituality, opening doors and different types of experiences etc etc etc. which is all wonderful - Any particular things you want to address then do so - You have a huge amount of conviction to what you do and that remains regardless of suddenly realising that all is consciousness is the very best theory that spiritualism has to offer instead of it been absolute. I hope you grasp what I mean in a positive way - Sometimes on a mental level you are like chasing some very likeable, loving, sometimes confused, smart, sometimes adamant, often wonderful, always changing, forever seeking excitable kid across the plains of the known and the unknown - You are wonder in a complex world in action...sometimes
"There is something you can experience, and something you can know. But if you try to cross them and try to experience that which you should know and try to know that which you should experience, you're gonna have a problem"
Listening is an art
Tim, I sincerely feel that when you have a guest on your channel, it would be beneficial to all if you could refrain from constantly interrupting them while they are making a point. Your frequent outbursts made this program difficult to follow at times and gave the impression that you were more interested in being "right" as opposed to simply and politely hearing the answers to the questions you had asked in the first place.
A lot of wonderful information here just the same. Thank you for making this available.
Sorry you object to that style Bob. My motivation is far from wanting to be right however. It is to prevent the person I am talking to going into a 'speaking routine' which all speakers (including myself) often do. That is where someone repeats well rehearsed stories or arguments. This is OK in interviews, but I am not doing 'interviews' at all. I am doing 'private conversations' made public and my greatest desire is for authentic connection and inquiry together, which nearly always happens it seems as participants love the experience ... including Prem I am delighted to say.
However ... I completely understand this can be frustrating for people watching who are interested in hearing more of what someone has to say, where I think they are missing or avoiding the real question so I push things on. In which case I simply suggest people turn my video off and seek out one of the many videos in which the person is interviewed or gives a talk in which they have full scope to roll with their ideas.
@@TimFreke1 no justification for rudeness. It diminishes any points you are trying to make. I certainly would not watch or recommend your show
He's one of the my precious master in this life, I just love Prem's message.
This is an amazing conversation between two polar opposite personalities.
To know yourself and to experience the divine. Makes so much sense to me. Thank you for this insightful conversation.
This is a very deep conversation and I'm Learning Even more , interspursed with laughter and Joy along the Path, Great Master Prem Rawat Thanks so much for introducing me to myself.
Tim, I think your courageous and honest way of conducting the interview with Prem is great and I have great appreciation for it.
For me the best interview I have ever seen with Prem. No facade and all the courage to ask everything without shyness.
I second that - Tim's questions were so intelligent and probing (in a good way) and Prem got right down into the nitty gritty with Ti in a way I have never seen Prem do before. Most inspiring.
Except Tim should have pushed the narrative on the N.D.E. issue further, and maybe given Prem a deeper insight into how profound these experiences really are. I seriously believe that it is quite possible, Prem is so focused on giving people the experience here and now while we are alive, he simply will not acknowledge this life after death narrative, maybe he feels people will just get too complacent and not bother practicing knowledge. :)
@@baragentledragon , I think Prem's take on it is definitive fact. NDE's are NEAR death experiences. The infinite lives within us, and Prem shows folks how to experience that for themselves. Finding a quiet repose within oneself, versus chasing things with my ideas, beliefs and concepts... the latter is what most of my life experience has been. Although the latter connotes more "activity", it is WAY easier to do, then sit in quiet and witness life within.
NDE's may well be a road sign that gives me great comfort, because they suggest there's something beyond this life... pursuit of information about them doesn't feed my heart as much as sitting in quiet repose making myself available to experiencing the infinite.
The commitment to quietude in seeking experience of the divine, is the most difficult commitment I have ever experienced... and easily the most rewarding
@@stiteam8788 I agree, and i have knowledge 45 years, incredible joy and bliss, i dont actually go looking for information on ndes, i have a very close pal who died, and he saw my 2 friends and my sister in this experience, he said it was more real than anything he had ever experienced here. and it was lovely to feel, my sister and friends are still somehow being looked after. Simple. He was an atheist. He still doesnt follow a religion, but he knows the infinite exists,and thats good enough for him.
@@baragentledragon if he has never experienced for himself, he can believe it or not, but he does not know, simple.
Prem Rawat keeps simplifying the process of reaching out more and more people around the World and introducing them to the message of humanity and prace.
He is utillizing modern technology and tools to reach out people from all walks of life.
His relentless efforts are making big difference in many people's lives. They are having beautiful transformation in their lives.
My heartfelt best wishes to you Mr Prem Rawat. I sincerely feel thankful to you for helping me experience inner peace which is real and reliable.
Tons of thanks for your Noble Work.
What a wonderful, honest conversation. Thank you!
The words that are coming out of Prem Rawat's mouth have nothing to do with opinion. It is pure KNOWING. Thank you for this beautiful interview and wise questions.
Thank you so much dear Prem Sir ..
Very ❣️ touching massage by prem rawat sir
Thank you Prem for insightful conversation what a clarity
so much Love, Kindness, wIsdom , thank you both for this Interview !
one of the most beautiful and clarifying interviews I have ever heard. Thanks Prem and Tim
A great discussion ! Tim I have the Experience Prem is talking about , he introduced me to it over 40 years ago , I have also had a Near Death Experience. Im not sure why Prem shies away from acknowledging NDE. When I was about 14 years old I became very sick with a kidney infection. With several doctors in attendance in my room at home I became unconscious and they feared the worst. To them I was about to die. For me it was very different. I remember rising up and looking down on my bed , perplexed as to who was lying in my bed. I could hear the murmur of the panicking Doctors and could clearly see them. Rising further up through the ceiling which seemed transparent I was still able to see down at the commotion that was focused on someone in my bed. I did not recognize it as my body. How could it be me, I was up here and feeling quite fine. I was also slipping into a state of just being and excepting rather than questioning . At about 100 feet ( I don't remember exactly ) I lost focus or interest in the goings on below and I just remember drifting through blackness while feeling totally whole and well, warm, content, peaceful, and most defiantly alive. Its a long time ago , I don't remember anything more , I woke up in a Hospital bed with tubes and beeping machines , within a week or so I made a full recovery . That experience was very real, no dream or illusion . I may have prompted me to embark on the journey to " know thy self" . About 10 years later I learnt and practiced the Techniques taught by Prem Rawat. I was a diligent and serious student . It doesn't take 10 years to learn the Techniques , they only take a few minutes to learn. What takes the time is to prepare the ground and to unlearn or to release the hold of your concepts. I had prepared the ground well and when I was shown how to apply the techniques I did , there and then see into, hear into and feel into, the Infinite . The two things that struck me the most were , (1 the Infinite was not where I was expecting it to be... and (2 It was where joy comes from , all the joy , all the love , all the peace. I also knew my self, instantly. Im not saying I know all of my self , Im sure there is more , but I do know which part of me is " my self " . I would never have found it on my own, I was always looking in the wrong places.
I had the same experience on LSD. The experiences available now when fully alive are much more beautiful, sustainable and in our control. I prefer the experience of this life, which Prem constantly helps me feel by sharing his wisdom. The human brain has many capacities, as we all experience in dreams and imagination. I don't feel the need to project them in order to feel better about my existence. Heaven is in our grasp, right here, if you really want it. Soon enough, we will find out about what's next. Exercise patience and seize the day!
Thanks for sharing your NDE Rod. The huge number and consistency of these remarkable experiences demands they be taken seriously to me.
I remember Prem taking about NDE. He said that those people were still alive... there is no such thing like a person was near dead. It's like you can't near eat your sandwich... or some similar example.
So, it's an interesting experience but you were alive . Luckily 🍀!!! I remember I was drowning as a child and I felt so peaceful even though I understood that I was going to die. My sister jumped into the water and saved me. Lucky 🍀 me! 😆
@@prijevodib2139 I think there is so much excellent research into NDE's now that Prem's perspective is worth challenging. Not least because there is no explanation from this perspective for the great similarities in the structure of people's experience and the corroboration of people's 'out of body' experiences. We have such a large number of these accounts now, our knowledge is growing all the time.
@@TimFreke1 mercifully, when there is massive trauma, the body sometimes responds with a comforting experience. I think it is more a survival tool. In any event, counting on it for your present sense of security is a more religious hope. I prefer the certainty of knowing I have a choice to feel freedom clarity wisdom strength joy and limitless fulfillment which Prems gift of the knowledge of the self, not the ego, provides. The River of Answers within. I can still play with fanciful ideas for amusement, but I don't have to take mind games too seriously. They can lead to unattractive qualities like arrogance.
Awesome Conversation. Thank you Tim & Prem. Throughly Enjoyed it
Another excellent conversation…a heart filled exploration of what is really important. Thanks Tim and Prem.
Tim, that was a lovely interview with Prem that I just saw thank you. You remind me of many sincere people I come across in my time who have aquired a thirst and a desire to "suss it out". Consequently this thirst is addressed frequently by reading various scriptures and opening up to alternative ideas etc. I live in California and it's full of so called spiritual people who are proud of their beliefs. Tim you have just been with a Master and all I feel to say is empty your cup of all you ideas and simply and sincerely ask for the Knowledge.
You will then have the experience of what he's talking about and will have fulfilled your life.
Thanks for your well-meaning comments George
A wonderful two way heartfelt exchange, I was gripped all the way through...I think I even experienced that timelessness..Many thanks to you both Tim and Prem.
Excellent conversation with PREM RAWAT to experience about peace & self knowledge
Prem puts the experience into words that I never can, in a simple, easy to understand way. The experience itself answers many questions asked and yet unasked. Thanks for this interview. 💜
I saw it for the second time. Beautiful complicity.
Speechless. Thank you....
Thankyou so much dear master of life ❤❤🌹🌹🌹
Wonderfully explained in just simple words.
Thanks Prem
Love this. Watched it twice and looking forward to watching it again. Thank you 😊
Thank you 🙏🙏
Brilliant conversation ~ thank you Tim and Prem
I have read Vedanta, Samkhya, Jainism , Buddhism, Kent, and many more philosophies. I love these talks. ❤ Thanks for this amazing content.
Thank you for this wonderful conversation. I found it so enlightening.
The wisdom of the ages, pages and sages dwell in the beautiful sanctuary of the heart,in the realm of feeling.Just like a menu can wonderfully describe the food but can never take away my hunger,questions can wet my appetite,but it is in the beautiful feeling from within my heart that ultimately answers my deepest longings.💚
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It's a very interesting conversation .👍
Thank you🌹 Mr Tim Freke and Mr Premrawat ji 🌹🌹🌹👌👍👍
Very good and intellectual conversation with Prem, a lot of thanks. 👌
Thank you Tim, for this interview & thank you Prem for everything you're doing for all of us ❤️ 🙏 🌅👌👍😁
Thank you Tim. Thank you for this interview…the topics, the way it is conducted. 🙏
Forever grateful to Prem and His message of inner Peace 🙏👌😊❤️❤️❤️❤️
My question to Tim is : why are you interrupting a lot when the guest is speaking? Is it really essential to interrupt every seconds before the guest is completing the answer?
Guest is making crystal clear and easy to the every Quest. Overall very beautiful chat . I liked it.
I don’t do interviews with guests I have conversations with other people I invite to explore ideas with me. And to really get down to ideas often in my experience we need to question what we say to each other in ways that in an interview you would simply let pass.
@@TimFreke1 there were many questions and many fantastic eye opening answers. By the way were you able to resolve your questions?
Just curious. Thanks
@@metaverse1347 sometimes. I’d like to do the whole thing again but longer.
@@TimFreke1 1:09 was preety long chat but fruitful chat. The thing that PREM is talking about is not luxury but need. Hope world leaders and allkey people will give a thought on what he is doing to create a peace (one person at a time) in this world from decades. If his message can bring a hope to the inmates in prison it can do a lot more to the world.
Beautiful interview, both speakers are very smart and charming.
Thanks. It's what anyone needs to hear and think about.
After all, the most important thing should be to find the answer to the question, "What is Life?", while we can ask.
Lovely to see you doing this again! Glad to have you back! Big LOVE!
It's my favourite message. I love it. I feel very much grateful to my dear Prem.
really it is inspirational conversion to all human beings which want to know devine and peace in their life I really thankful to prem rawat and trim
Simple, Clear and very touching in a resonating way. Thank You
Amazing video. Thank you very much! And thank you Prem Rawat for his insights. I experience joy when I get close to Prem´s message of inner peace.
What an amazing interview and discussion! I smiled so many times. Tim, I loved your sincere curiosity and willingness to explore the topic broadly and deeply. I also appreciated Prem's sense of "no holds barred" and laying it all out there. Wonderful!
I found Mr Freke’s interview style to be lacking of listening to anything Mr. Rawat says. Mr. Freke seems more intent on establishing his own intellectual prowess, while constantly interrupting and over-riding many of the points Mr Rawat makes. Unfortunately that style made the conversation, as engaging as the topics were, less pleasant to listen to. I did enjoy many of the insights Mr. Rawat shared about knowing one’s self and experiencing the divine.
I will stop rambling on - Good luck Tim in all your seeking
Thank you Shaun
Very nice message ❤️🌺🌼🙏
Wonderful talk.Thank you so much Mr. Prem Rawat.
Wonderful and enlightening conversation between TIm and Prem.. very engrossing .. could not help but listen in one go .. thank you 🌺🌹💐🍂
I am very happy that you had this interview with Prem, I have been practising Knowledge for 50+ years now. Prem has always directed people to practice the knowledge (meditation) and enjoy the experience for themselves. This is something we can do practically. A wonderful thing that is within yourself. So happy that you ask these questions and listen to Prems answers. Thank you so much for having this available for all to hear.
BRAVO! what a discussion.🙏
🌞The best conversation with Prem is a conversation through eyes and hearts ❤
Thank you so much for this beautiful interview with so much wisdom and clarity!!!!
What did Prem teach me? Its not his words, that helped me. Its not his ideas, that helped me. When a student asked Buddha, how to reach that state of pure consciousness, this silent place, this feeling where all is well and all stress disappears, Buddha said to his young student: do you see that lake? The student said yes. Is the water silent now and can you see your reflection clearly in it? The student went to the lake and saw his clear reflection. Now throw these stones in the lake and try to see your own reflection. The student did that , could not see his reflection and came back and asked, what this meant. These stones are your thoughts and make your mind restless, so you cannot see yourself. To see and know yourself, to reach this state of pure consciousness , you have to be silent and if you want, i can teach you how. About 45 years ago Prem did teach me this, how to be silent and go inside, without words, without concepts . Still every day too many stones are thrown in my lake, by myself, my thoughts, my fears, my expectations and me reading the news or " the noise" outside me. I thank Prem, for showing me these 4 magical ways, to go inside and feel my inner peace. I hope for everybody watching this very beautiful interview by Tim, that one day, you also receive this greatest gift of all gifts, as Prem has given and showed me, so many years ago. It is more precious than the birth of my very beautiful son, more fulfilling than feeling the love of my parents, more relaxing than spending time with my best friends. What is it? To be able to enjoy and feel my breath this way is even closer and more precious to me, than spending time with my parents, my son and my girlfriend. I hope they are not mad at me, when they read this, but what could ever be more important for me than my breath and the gift, to enjoy every breath to the fullest and flying higher and higher, to a place ( consciousness, experience, joy, freedom, peace, gratitude) i never knew, before i went there. Thank you Tim, thank you Prem, now i know how to live , how to love and know myself and appreciate my breath more, than any words could ever express !
Beautifully put!
Tim is so very much like myself. I even had my own "sitting on a Hill" time as a child. I had just attended my own 9th Birthday at home. I slipped away as it was getting very dark (I was born in April) and about 150 yds from where I lived was a little hill on some common ground. I sat down atop it and had a marvellous view of the skies - this was in 1959 and light pollution wasn't so bad back then - I remember looking at the stars and galaxies then reflecting on what I saw and witnessed around me here on Earth and was also dumbfounded why others were not also talking about the stupendous fact of their own existence!
Many years later I was a "hippy" but was too stoned to make it that Glastonbury festival where Prem spoke. One of my friends DID attend and boy did I regret my laziness. He told me that before this "little Indian Boy" came up to speak the festival had got a little"heavy" a lot of drug use and people doing "their own thing" but that after he spoke he then described even hardcore hippy types holding hands and dancing in circles with tears of joy streaming down their faces but no one could explain it as it was just a feeling!
Two years later after meeting another old friend one whom I regarded as one of the more cynical types of hippy - I saw something in his eyes and recognised it. I somehow KNEW he had discovered what I was also looking for and a few weeks later - I was granted the gift that he called "Knowledge" too. On that day I was reborn when I was enabled to experience within me that which is impossible to describe but is of that infinite magic that comes from the conjoining with the finite with the infinite and through the blessing of being in a human body I was able to become conscious of that magic marriage within.
Wonderful stories Len.
@@TimFreke1 The beauty of Prem's offering is that it is repeatable at will, not just a one time event. How many times can you NDE? Well, maybe a few, but you'd have to be in bad shape. Anyone notice how pleasant and humble Prem is during an interview, and he has done many. Tim is one of the most insistently skeptical. Some like. that sort of combative argument. I prefer a calm and respectful dialogue. I admire Prem's patience, I think everyone has had at least one "on top of the hill" experience.
@@Don-co9zs I really don’t think Prem needs defending by you my friend. From what happened at the time and what I’ve heard afterwards he thoroughly enjoyed an animated intelligent conversation.
It is a shame there are a handful of his followers who find that so threatening. One of the reasons it is a shame is that it makes him look bad and a sort of cult leader when he doesn’t deserve that from my experience.
Tim I just want to add that this knowledge that Prem Rawat is offering is not spiritual , if that's what people want its not for them . This is the experience of that which is Solid.
Great conversation! Strait foreward and absolutly coherent and honest, grat Tim and great Prem as always! Love it!!!
Tim and Prem, that was a great interview, some of those, Lovers of knowledge, seem to be quite mean spirited in their criticism of your conversation with him, hmmm i wonder what it says about them. I get why you continued asking question, what seemed to many, interruptions. Prem offers that inner connection in a simple and clear way, that's what he knows about and passionately pu rsues.. You shared your NDE with him and the resonance you shared with your mother after her passing. He was too dismissive, because he never experienced it for himself, he simply does not know. I thought you were very respectful in answering him, that he is taking it too lightly. You have a beautiful mind and great heart and so does he, i loved it, Thank you.
Absolutely to use our intelligence and Explore this❤
Thanks 😊
Excellent💯 ❤
I love you guru maharaji 💓💓💓😍
Thank you so much Mr. Freke! I found your approach to Mr. Rawat very intelligent. He is as first a "normal" witty human being like us and that is even possibly a greater challenge for us then approaching him as a "different" being. We have incredible potential in us and people like Prem Rawat, Leonardo Da Vinci, J. S. Bach to cite only 3, have escalated into themselves to bring treasures out...am I doing that too? That is for me a really great challenge.
Everyone must watch this conversation, it's worth. Thank you Tim for asking questions(it seems all are my questions) and Prem for giving true answers which I need to experience.
I enjoyed your interaction Tim and your genuineness. Appreciate the effort and the exchange and liked a lot of your questions - (a few less interruptions would make it easier to listen to). Interesting when you asked about Prem shaking off the old indian paradigms to get to the present way he presents himself. I do think you cannot understand what Prem is talking about with your mind. Its a message of the heart.
How nice thing ! This is so intellectual conversation with Prem Rawat . Naman .
That’s a beautiful thing, your interaction was heartening and clarifying, thank you gentlemen.
Sometimes there’s no need for words it’s just is…..
JUST AMAZING!!!
Amazing i love this. (Beautiful minds)
This was a fabulous interview. Thank you for asking the questions we all need answers to. Thank you Prem for being so patient and clear. A wonderful listen and I’ll be listening again. I feel that there were a few things that Prem would have been able to elaborate on (which I was very interested to hear) but Tim, you interrupted and they weren’t fully expressed. A second interview? ✨🥰❤️🙏🏽
it was a dialog, not a monologue, 2 people conversing.
Thanks Tim...your mention of " oneness"...of the universe....is described in the holy sikh book indefinitely...
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Thank You Maharaji ♥️❤️♥️❤️♥️❤️♥️♥️❤️♥️🙏
In the last few days my entire perspective has been reframed and without restriction. Lots happening for me as a result of coming across your channel Tim. Thank you.
Thanks for giving selfknowledge inspiration accept me as your student.
Thanks a lot of u Tim for this wonderful conversation.
Thanks for posting this. Interesting conversation, understanding the difference between concept and experience, believing and knowing.
WOW! What a GREAT conversation.
IT IS ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE LIFE IT SELF BY KNOWING THEY SELF (WHO WE ARE? WHO AM I?) OUR EXSISTENCE ITS MEANING FOR A SHORT WHILE FOR BEING ALIVE THANK YOU MAHARA JI SRI PREM RAWAT JI
You are the master i adore
Awesome!⭐🌈⭐
Gracias: Mauricio un camino de conciencia individual de Tu mano y tus palabras de certeza; paciencia para comprender tu esfuerzo.
Thanks my Master for each and every thing, doing for me, for all every where
"Explanations, are the "booze" of this world".
Prem Rawat - Chicago, IL
Yet I’m sure that wouldn’t apply to explanations concerning aerodynamics. Why does it apply to some things and not others? And what is the criteria I wonder?
Wow, Tim, that was a wonderful conversation, I enjoyed it very very much!
Good, searching, questions that elicited answers that clarified how Prem understands Life (...the Universe, and Everything) - with answers that I found very enlightening, and was very happy to hear.
He's the sanest man I know of, and always
keeps coming back to focus on the simplicity of his main message, and your mutual conversation revealed that simple focus, and how he prioritises it, very clearly. It's what *I* could always do with hearing, as a reminder that that's what works best for me.
Thank you for sharing this, Tim, it's done me good.
P.S. Not important I know, but where was the hill where the 12 year old you had that lovely mystical kick-start?
Summerhouse Hill in Yeovil Somerset❤️👍😀
Jerry - I have just realised the message was from you! How are you doing?
@@TimFreke1 enjoying life! I'll email you ❣
(Madeleine not Nigel RIP but I have his account) 👋 That was an awesome conversation Tim! I loved it that it was kinda like a debate! Took me back to when I first met you in the 80s - when you came up to Alston with Theo I think it was. I had a sort-of NDE experience way back and will tell you about it in a FB message if that’s OK? I was thinking about it a lot when you and Prem were talking NDEs.
I also wished Prem had mentioned Time when you got on to the part about Evolution… and how Prem was saying the infinite doesn’t change and you said maybe it was Evolving. Wow I thought… loved it! Then I thought, but Evolution necessarily implies Time and what if it’s that the Infinite is not in Time? Timeless in other words😊❤️ 🌈
@@redcrowdemon ❤️ good to hear from you
Those who dont know speak those who know say very little ❤
As Lao Tzu said at the beginning of a whole book of ideas 🙃
thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I find some of this discussion to be circuitous- but still an interesting chat.
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Super!.!
Thank you so much Malik ji
We are what we practice.
When we understand the difference between
truth & belief,
knowledge & information,
entelechy & intellect - choose wisely & practice well.✌️❤️
Jai Satchitanada Peace lovers
The future is a global mango rollout 💖✌️
Maharaji the best❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Mr Freke, you are complicating all this. It's simple very very simple. What do you need to know to drink water? Absolutely nothing, it feels good, your thirst is quenched it's as simple as that.❤
Hmmm. There is of course the simplicity to things but I think if you pay attention you’ll see that the universe is also extremely complex. It seems foolish to me to choose either the simplicity or the complexity when we can be conscious of both as we live in both.
Thank you for getting back to me and I agree but let the wonderful curiosity of the universe live in the domain of the brain, the mind. But let simplicity be the domain of the heart. To live this life consciously one needs the heart of a child but the brain of a fox
@@jamescolpas Or to put it another way The amazing insight one can have as a human being when the finite and the infinite come together How can that impossible paradox that ever be just an explanation It is far more than that
I totally agree UK there is so much we can understand and then there is a point where it's beyond our understanding and it simply must be felt. And oh that feeling that incredible credible feeling of pure sweet love❤🙏❤
You're right I too. 👌👍👍
Hi Tim - Sorry about some of my comments on the other video of you and Rupert as they sounded a little bit critical and also I had a few concerns and frustrations with where you going. You seem like a sound guy who is very knowledgable indeed and I watch your videos and see snippets of your deeper knowledge and wisdom and I know you know the truths that always remain yet you also come across as some who is looking for something completely new and distinct from all that as gone before. I understanding you are seeking for new ideas and probably not letting those truths interfere too much with the defining of new ideas otherwise they will be old ideas just expressed in the new ways. To think of new ideas requires this method and then later we see where they fall relatively to the truth we know or except and in some cases in line with beliefs which will all test the validity of any new idea. Sometimes time I am just the old truth with a few beliefs working through your new ideas which is intuitively frustrating sometimes, intrigued at other times and pleasantly surprised often with your ideas.
I could write a great deal in these comments about what you and the person you are speaking to in these videos are discussing as they are very inspirational, frustrating and wonderful
Intuition by the way enables us to have a knowledge of an experience that is hugely far more comprehensive than thought but works with a level of intelligence that is beyond full comprehension using concepts and words etc. You know the intelligence of intuition and its from there I watch the workings of my brain ultimately (often I am not impressed with it lol) (The back seat driver that normally gives the front seat driver the directions of where it wants to go but that front seat driver can convince itself that it knows better often).
There are so many experiences I would like to share and insights I have and i know I will never write a book so sometimes I get carried away with my comments. I know you will have thousands of people wanting to share their experiences and insights too as that is the world of spirituality - must drive you nuts at times. I will try and keep my comments brief and few.
When I first started doing research on my experience of oneness I very early on came across The Hermetic Tradition and purchased your book The Hermitica which was an excellent read and propelled me onwards in my seeking. I had no idea then who you were and had not paid any attention about the author - Later I came across you again and then a little later the connection was made regarding the book. I have since read a good few of your other books which I found very interesting. I think dismissing previous ideas and the whole theory of consciousness is not wise as its one of the best theories out there and even if you managed to prove it wrong it still has great value but that up to you and that's all I will say. Last 5-6 years I have turned the internet inside and out and read a reasonable amount and together with my own experience of oneness find that the theory of all being in consciousness very difficult to try and dismiss completely and I have hit it from every direction. I have to say though if the empty mind state is the conscious state of consciousness I don't want to go there but if it is the peaceful/restful state of and experienced knowing dual state (including an accumulated collective truth - Love) Then that's fine by me. The oneness I experienced was the truth that expresses itself as love. I have given that experience of oneness a great deal of thought recently and have a number of perspectives about it that do not negate it but are interesting interpretations - inspired by your videos
Criticism of my ideas isn't a problem my friend. Keep exploring! Just so you know ... i didn't set out to discover my previous ideas about consciousness were wrong ... i was reluctantly forced to this conclusion. But I am so glad i went with the process, because where I have ended up is so much better.
@@TimFreke1 That's fair enough. I would imagine that believing a great deal that all is consciousness (and its convincing) and then discovering that actually it is a theory is quite the realisation and that can have a negative impact for a while but a positive result in knowing that now you know the truth but also that everything exists in consciousness is one of spiritualities best theories . I hope in time you will see the positive insights that Non dualism offers as well. You have made me think about it in more detail but I have always had problems with Non Dualism from the position of no self, emptiness, one absolute state etc as there is no logical or spiritual bridge from an absolute non dual sate to duality and I could only ever imaging a non dual state as something that has a dual nature in some capacity but is at rest/peace/inactive etc etc
I actually re-read your Lucid Living book again yesterday and although for me its a little brief it is full of great still valid ideas many of which have their roots in an understanding that required knowledge of Non dualism on various levels. The only criticism I have on the book was that it referred to a state awareness as emptiness in some context at one point but it was relative to what you were explaining.
If you empty (or imagine emptying) your conscious mind of thoughts, sensory perceptions and all its related experiences (feelings) etc you arrive at a state of awareness that is empty and a lot of Non dualists have run with that idea of emptiness together with no self and defined a Non Dual state of emptiness as either emptiness or they have applied a single type of experience to it like Bliss etc and you don't have to worry what kind of bliss you experience in the non dual state because you will not exist as you will be bliss itself - Which is a philosophical cul de sac that always results in bliss when you ask but how will I know and appreciate that and is it enough etc - Very clever But ultimately you can just say that any non dual state is irrelevant unless there is some means to appreciate it which requires a relative dual perception on some level - Its just isness
I did the exercise as Rupert and non dualists do of removing all the clothes of my consciousness many many years ago and thought yes consciousness is empty and I am only aware in relation to something else and as there is not anything else I am just isness or pure awareness or nothing or perfection or infinite or emptiness etc etc etc but then I thought how the hell do you go from Non dualism to dualism and saying God just does and I can't comprehend it is nonsense and that's when it occurred to me that all though my consciousness is empty and there is nothing relative or other to define me I am ultimately just a dual nature in a state of rest/peace/inactivity etc and that dual nature remains the best explanation for everything I experience including the possibility of oneness (A dual nature at one with itself but with qualities), unity, collective consciousness, rest, peace, satisfaction etc etc which are all non dual states that are far more satisfying that can be appreciated with the dual experience that got us there - Obviously these states are not for eternity or its isness again. With regards to infinite how could you possibly experience that completely have time to do anything anything else - I think you can sense/know infinity where no boundaries exist but you can't possibly experience it completely as it takes forever - I just thought about that the other day
Life is like one long bloody argument where you have come to agree on many things but you continue to question it to test its validity and enrich/evolve it into something more in some capacity and appreciate it more without losing the truth you had originally established - That is the story of life and society.
@@TimFreke1 Tim you are obviously a good and complex guy subject to you continual seeking and you take me on a rollercoaster of thinking and compassionate concern for you and where you are going that manifests in different ways in my comments - There is a hell of a lot of good but there is frustration and concern etc and ultimately its all up to you what you do and choose to believe in. Having reading some of your books and listened to you I get a little frustrated and upset with you when you tell us all your previous books are wrong only on a light hearted level as I am opened minded with spirituality and also know that you are just questioning some of your core beliefs from which many of your ideas in your books come from but ultimately all you have done is realised that all is consciousness is a theory and actually the best spiritual theory there is and at worst all your books refer to that best theory that spirituality has to other and yes possibly some ideas here and there in your books might refer to views in non dualism that you no longer believe in or you have seen through. Well with spirituality that will always be the case as it is not possibly to define it absolutely - I strongly suggest that most of your ideas in your previous books are still valid in numerous ways as insights into spirituality, opening doors and different types of experiences etc etc etc. which is all wonderful - Any particular things you want to address then do so - You have a huge amount of conviction to what you do and that remains regardless of suddenly realising that all is consciousness is the very best theory that spiritualism has to offer instead of it been absolute.
I hope you grasp what I mean in a positive way - Sometimes on a mental level you are like chasing some very likeable, loving, sometimes confused, smart, sometimes adamant, often wonderful, always changing, forever seeking excitable kid across the plains of the known and the unknown - You are wonder in a complex world in action...sometimes
"There is something you can experience, and something you can know. But if you try to cross them and try to experience that which you should know and try to know that which you should experience, you're gonna have a problem"
@@anthonytroia1 I’ve come to the conclusion that’s completely mistaken my friend. what we know governs what we experience.
@@TimFreke1 😯
@@TimFreke1 my ontology periodically changes on a dime. Maybe I'll "come around" at some point? 😉 🙏
@@TimFreke1 P.P.S. A new friend (I just met her yesterday) just informed me she was named by Prem Rawat! The world seems to be getting smaller.
@@anthonytroia1 👍🙏