As much as this segment is very informative and enriching, it also goes a long way to show how sad the situation is in our today, Apostle Marwa represents the deliberate confusion in the world, faced with the consistency and clarity of the bible he chooses to create his own theories just to fit his own narrative, the bible for those being led by the spirit is clear and consistent. It is just that todays men strives to make everything comfortable and easy going. His point about one day being blessed only once is a good point but does not change the fact, ofcourse that very situation cannot be repeated, but that day was symbolised and was asked to be represented every week, and he was shown throughout the bible how that was consistently observed. It is actually sad because it is not on Apostle only but many other people in the world. Surely the issue of sabbath is a game changer in the walk of a christian, why is it a contested issue if it did not have the potential to transform the christian walk of today, if we collectively agree on it the same way we do on the other 9 commandements.
Apostle mmmm it's time to lean new things that will take us closer to the Glory of God,Evangelist and Mr Dewa keep up the good work of enlighting the world SDA here I come
The seven-day week is remarkably consistent throughout history, despite lacking a single logical reason for its continuation. Whether barbaric or civilized, all cultures have adhered to this seven-day structure, even though months have been altered. This is a testament to the creation of the earth, where God created the earth in six days and rested on the seventh, and it stands as a reminder of His creation until eternity. If more people kept the Sabbath, they wouldn't be any doubt about God's existence exodus 20:8-11 I'm surprised on why a lot of people see it as a restriction, it's a blessing given to us by our creator and should be enjoyed in all it's glory And by the way this is the only commandment that if you teach people to keep they will consider you to be a cult leader
Apostle need Grace. Mashandire anosiyana. At my work lam Principal l earn higher than all the workers but ndinoswera ndakagara muoffice. Ku declare ikoko kwaiitwa naMwari ndokutoshanda kwacho. Apostle vanomonyorora magwaro ummmm
Great discussion, these guys show maturity and respect for each other even when it gets heated. May God be praised for the perpetual rest and the 7th day sabbath rest which are all necessary and a blessing
15 Jehovha Mwari akatora munhu, akamuisa mumunda weEdheni, kuti aurime nokuuchengeta. Genesis 3...... Apostle murikuramba verse here kuti Adam airima Munda nekuuchengeta ozorora Sabbatha. There was no need for evening and morning on the 7th day because mwari haana kuramba achisika angaatopedza kusika and weekly cycle bvayatotanga ndosaka kusina day 8. Tinongodzokera futi totanga pa 1 until 7 kuitira kuti Adam azorore even though basa rake raisarwadza asi aitoshanda. Apostle I'm very disappointed and munototungamirira hwai dzamwari.
I have great respect for Marufu as a Seventh Day Adventist. We tend to argue and lose the plot when issues are being debated, but this forum has handled different views in a very mature manner. Well done and God bless you.
mr Dehwa ....time ndeya Mwari.... we learn a lot from thesee discusions saka chero mukaita zuva rese dont worry tinoterera atleast zvinhu zvakawanda zvinenge zva discuswa asi ndinokutendai nechirongwa chakanaka kudai
Iam following from Mozambique and l like the question Mr Dehwa yekuti how about today?? Matthew 24 ungada kupa reference in context not in text..... tiri kudzidza
I think the whole discussion took an unexpected turn because Apostle Marwa didn’t fully comprehend the fourth commandment. If the word Sabbath means rest, then the law is saying that you are to remember the rest day, and on that day you have been given specific instructions by God that you must do. The first instruction is you must remember. Back in primary school our headmaster used tell us every assembly day that we must remember the rules of the school which he taught us went we first got there in grade one. Now God is giving us the this instruction that we must remember the Rest day which he blessed after creation. The second instruction is you HAVE to keep the rest day holy. Why because God himself set aside this particular day were you do nothing but worship him. On this rest day you,your wife, your workers, not even your cattle shall do any work on the Rest day, why because God has set it as his day in which you must gather and worship him. Remember the first four commandments of God are about loving God, and the last six are about loving your neighbor, the golden rule. The third instruction is you must labour, and all your work has to be done from the first day to the sixth day. Comprehensively it is unfortunate to dismiss the weekly cycle and rest on the seventh day because simply it is the only commandment that God specifically ask that we remember!
After creation of everything God had first Sabbath with Adam and Eve. God blessed the Seventh day, and sanctified it, Adam was there already in the presence of God in the Spiritual form.
I do not disagree with going to church every week, neither do I disagree with the existence of the promise to enter into Sabbath day(rest). My questions are,; What did Jesus Christ imply by saying " I am the Lord of the Sabbath"? As Evangelist Marufu said, Jesus also advised us to keep His commandments, which commandments are they because as much as I can remember, He talks about two commandments. Kindly clarify on this concept as well. I remember reading that all the law is fulfilled in these two commandments. What was the implication of this statement?
I don't disagree with going to church every week and neither do I disagree with the existence of the promise to enter into eternal Sabbath. However, I heard our Evangelist saying something about Jesus Christ advising us to keep His commandments. Which commandments are they, because as much as I can remember, I only heard Jesus Christ saying I leave with you two commandments and if you keep these commandments you shall in them fulfill the rest. If you love God with your whole heart, you will never miss an opportunity to fulfill His will, which includes going to church whenever any opportunity arises thus including on Sabbath day. Rigidity tends to be existing on the old covenant but the new covenant gave us freedom through Christ because rigidity(old covenant) focussed much on the things that are seen but New covenant focussed on Christ being the judge of all and He Himself assisting believers to fulfill the law which includes worshipping even on the Sabbath day. Additionally, there is another scripture that talks about " avoiding contentions or arguments about days or those who eat shall not blame those who do not eat. " I would love to hear your understanding of this topic along those lines as well.
@@user-ud9jk5zq6p but do you know the verse that says 'i have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Matthew 5 vs 17. I encourage you to read the verse.
That's a good discussion , ndakuchengeta Sabbath kutanga nhasi mwari achindibatsira
Powerful Discussion tinotenda Mwari Evangelist Marufu zvirikubatika rambai makadaro
As much as this segment is very informative and enriching, it also goes a long way to show how sad the situation is in our today, Apostle Marwa represents the deliberate confusion in the world, faced with the consistency and clarity of the bible he chooses to create his own theories just to fit his own narrative, the bible for those being led by the spirit is clear and consistent. It is just that todays men strives to make everything comfortable and easy going.
His point about one day being blessed only once is a good point but does not change the fact, ofcourse that very situation cannot be repeated, but that day was symbolised and was asked to be represented every week, and he was shown throughout the bible how that was consistently observed. It is actually sad because it is not on Apostle only but many other people in the world.
Surely the issue of sabbath is a game changer in the walk of a christian, why is it a contested issue if it did not have the potential to transform the christian walk of today, if we collectively agree on it the same way we do on the other 9 commandements.
Uuum powerful discussion ddnt know the meaning of sabbath....Mwari ndiregerereiwo mundibatsire kuchengeta sungano...
Apostle mmmm it's time to lean new things that will take us closer to the Glory of God,Evangelist and Mr Dewa keep up the good work of enlighting the world SDA here I come
This discussion is for the big boys , i love the respect, you need to be mature to have such discussion especially you believe two different things.
Indeed God is good all the time!
Amen zvokwadi ichatisunungura
very powerful discussion. thank you elder Marufu may God bless you
Apostle you need the wisdom
Powerful indeed anenzeve dzekunzwa ngaanzwe zvinoreva mweya kukereke
The seven-day week is remarkably consistent throughout history, despite lacking a single logical reason for its continuation. Whether barbaric or civilized, all cultures have adhered to this seven-day structure, even though months have been altered. This is a testament to the creation of the earth, where God created the earth in six days and rested on the seventh, and it stands as a reminder of His creation until eternity.
If more people kept the Sabbath,
they wouldn't be any doubt about God's existence exodus 20:8-11
I'm surprised on why a lot of people see it as a restriction, it's a blessing given to us by our creator and should be enjoyed in all it's glory
And by the way this is the only commandment that if you teach people to keep they will consider you to be a cult leader
Powerful discussion, thank you God bless you indeed was blessed
Ane nzeve anzwa zvinoreva Mweya ku Kereke
Very educative discussion
Thank you Bluffhill
Makatsanangura Evangelist kubva nhasi ndava musabata tangatakarasika
Amen Mwari ngaavongwe norudo rwaJesu ❤😮😊
All you are powerful God bless you all
Apostles vanoda Jesu l feel sorry for his followers
Apostle need Grace. Mashandire anosiyana. At my work lam Principal l earn higher than all the workers but ndinoswera ndakagara muoffice. Ku declare ikoko kwaiitwa naMwari ndokutoshanda kwacho. Apostle vanomonyorora magwaro ummmm
Mr marufu wonderful gentleman, sabbath and seventh day is same thng
Apostle marwa vhurayi vakorose 2 vs 16
Quite powerful teaching
Well explained. Thank you for this wonderful bible study
Thank you!
😂mmmmm apostle hameno bible vanoverenga sei
😂😂😂😂😂
Very mature discussion..I have respect for both gentlemen..👍
Apostle Marwa vavhurireyi vakorose 2 vs 16
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Great discussion, these guys show maturity and respect for each other even when it gets heated.
May God be praised for the perpetual rest and the 7th day sabbath rest which are all necessary and a blessing
Amen and amen!!
15 Jehovha Mwari akatora munhu, akamuisa mumunda weEdheni, kuti aurime nokuuchengeta. Genesis 3......
Apostle murikuramba verse here kuti Adam airima Munda nekuuchengeta ozorora Sabbatha. There was no need for evening and morning on the 7th day because mwari haana kuramba achisika angaatopedza kusika and weekly cycle bvayatotanga ndosaka kusina day 8. Tinongodzokera futi totanga pa 1 until 7 kuitira kuti Adam azorore even though basa rake raisarwadza asi aitoshanda.
Apostle I'm very disappointed and munototungamirira hwai dzamwari.
I have great respect for Marufu as a Seventh Day Adventist. We tend to argue and lose the plot when issues are being debated, but this forum has handled different views in a very mature manner. Well done and God bless you.
Apostle yu are confusing yourself,
Amen 🙏
mr Dehwa ....time ndeya Mwari.... we learn a lot from thesee discusions saka chero mukaita zuva rese dont worry tinoterera atleast zvinhu zvakawanda zvinenge zva discuswa
asi ndinokutendai nechirongwa chakanaka kudai
But how do you keep the sabbath if you don't know when to keep it
Thank you all, pakupedzisire zvokwadi yaMwari yaiisiwa pachena, Mwari vakubatsirei mose akuitirei zvakanaka
Mmmm apostle avaa
Iam following from Mozambique and l like the question Mr Dehwa yekuti how about today?? Matthew 24 ungada kupa reference in context not in text..... tiri kudzidza
I think the whole discussion took an unexpected turn because Apostle Marwa didn’t fully comprehend the fourth commandment.
If the word Sabbath means rest, then the law is saying that you are to remember the rest day, and on that day you have been given specific instructions by God that you must do.
The first instruction is you must remember. Back in primary school our headmaster used tell us every assembly day that we must remember the rules of the school which he taught us went we first got there in grade one. Now God is giving us the this instruction that we must remember the Rest day which he blessed after creation.
The second instruction is you HAVE to keep the rest day holy. Why because God himself set aside this particular day were you do nothing but worship him. On this rest day you,your wife, your workers, not even your cattle shall do any work on the Rest day, why because God has set it as his day in which you must gather and worship him. Remember the first four commandments of God are about loving God, and the last six are about loving your neighbor, the golden rule.
The third instruction is you must labour, and all your work has to be done from the first day to the sixth day.
Comprehensively it is unfortunate to dismiss the weekly cycle and rest on the seventh day because simply it is the only commandment that God specifically ask that we remember!
I like Mr Dewa vanobvumira zvese zvirikutaurwa for the flow of things
Pane ka smile kavaMarufu kari very naughty, Great discussion gentlemen.
Ummmmmm fruitful discussion indeed😊
Ndichazivawo kutaura kwakadai riini mwari akuitirei zvakanaka varanda vamwari
After creation of everything God had first Sabbath with Adam and Eve. God blessed the Seventh day, and sanctified it, Adam was there already in the presence of God in the Spiritual form.
Apostle sometimes easly escape the naked truth .....
Apostle needs to understand bible
I do not disagree with going to church every week, neither do I disagree with the existence of the promise to enter into Sabbath day(rest). My questions are,;
What did Jesus Christ imply by saying " I am the Lord of the Sabbath"?
As Evangelist Marufu said, Jesus also advised us to keep His commandments, which commandments are they because as much as I can remember, He talks about two commandments. Kindly clarify on this concept as well. I remember reading that all the law is fulfilled in these two commandments. What was the implication of this statement?
When a ceremonial sabbath fell on the seventh day, it was called a high sabbath!
Apostle varikusvipinganidza havo😂
Someone is putting to much of theories than bible here😂
Jesus is our Sabbath,once I am in Christ I have rest
kkkkkk inga zvenyu matowana zororo
Sabbath day is a person (Jesus) Christ in you is your rest😀
Liar, this is wine from Babylon or the pit of hell
These Sabbath guys they don't understand bible correctly
😂😂😂😂 rega ndiseke hangu
Kusanganisira iwe wacho , munonzwa hamunzwisisi
I don't disagree with going to church every week and neither do I disagree with the existence of the promise to enter into eternal Sabbath. However, I heard our Evangelist saying something about Jesus Christ advising us to keep His commandments. Which commandments are they, because as much as I can remember, I only heard Jesus Christ saying I leave with you two commandments and if you keep these commandments you shall in them fulfill the rest. If you love God with your whole heart, you will never miss an opportunity to fulfill His will, which includes going to church whenever any opportunity arises thus including on Sabbath day. Rigidity tends to be existing on the old covenant but the new covenant gave us freedom through Christ because rigidity(old covenant) focussed much on the things that are seen but New covenant focussed on Christ being the judge of all and He Himself assisting believers to fulfill the law which includes worshipping even on the Sabbath day. Additionally, there is another scripture that talks about " avoiding contentions or arguments about days or those who eat shall not blame those who do not eat. " I would love to hear your understanding of this topic along those lines as well.
@@user-ud9jk5zq6p but do you know the verse that says 'i have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Matthew 5 vs 17. I encourage you to read the verse.
Apostle Marwa vavhurireyi vakorose 2 vs 16
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Apostle Marwa vavhurireyi vakorose 2 vs 16
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