Rydon learns those moves because it's a dragon, an earth dragon. Just like Gyarados, Charizard, Aerodactyl, etc. it's a dragon without having the dragon typing, which one of the designers of pokemon made a tweet confirming that not all dragons have the dragon type.
@@Kordinauzah yes, instead of insta-dying to grass and water, you insta-die to ice, which is one of the best types, and you lose out on the normal resistance! not to mention you lose out on rock STAB which isn't amazing in gen 1 but it's great to smack birds around, and oh right, you also are now vulnerable to flying moves too, so you can't wall them as effectively! dragon/ground would be probably be worse in gen 1
MDBAMA: In black and white play throughs, why don’t you take on Cynthia or Alder? You take on Red in silver and gold play throughs and Steven in Emerald.
That is a good question I believe the answer is most likely a time issue. Gen 5 takes much longer than other gens because of how exp works in those games, so he might just not have the time to commit to those post-game bosses
One thing I would help with recommend for challenges like this, where a Starter isn’t eligible but the evolution is (like this challenge with Turtwig and Grotle not being ground but Torterra being ground), is something some Nuzlockers do where you allow use of the starter until the next eligible encounter, than disabling the use of the starter until it evolves into the eligible pokemon, while Gardenia might become way harder with this example, it would be interesting to be able to see a starter in the runs
No, no, it's 'cause Rhyhorn has the Lightningrod Ability! So it uses that latent electrical power to charge its Thunder attacks! And it, uh... can harness it to become fire and ice with the power of imagination 'cause Rhydon was the first Pokémon ever designed! It all adds up!
The reason pokemon like Rhydon, Nidoking, Tyranitar and the like learn so many elemental attacks is because their designs are Kaiju motifs. Kaiju being godzilla-esque monsters that typically have a variety of energy/elemental blasts they use.
Why didn't he mention the weirdness of Rhydon being able to learn Surf? That one strikes me as the weirdest. Thunderbolt makes some sense in a strange roundabout way, if you consider them as a "Living Mountain". Mountains can handle Lightning Strikes & can affect the weather around them, what's more quartz crystals can transmit/conduct energy & are often found within rocks/mountains, therefore in a weird way them learning Thunder/Thunderbolt works. As for Ice Beam it goes back to weather effects & how some mountains are always Cold/Icy/Snowy at the top. With Flamethrower if you consider that Rocks often either form from or erupt from Volcanic eruptions/Lava, then the various Rock Types being able to learn various Fire Moves makes sense in a way by "Tapping into that Volcanic Origins".
I assume why Rhyhorn, Rhydon, Nidoking, Tyranitar etc can learn moves like thunder, ice beam, flamethrower are cuz of their kaiju based origins which those can do a lot of things like that. Yeah its not an in universe reason but thats just what I always took it as. Seriously though go look at Baragon and then look at Nidoking, they are almost identical even morso after Baragon got more purple in the early 2000's.
to bad that argument falls apart real fast besides the ones mentioned, grimer, slowpoke, kangastkhan, chansey, jigglepuff, clefairy, snorlax also can learn them all. I think it has way more to do with age of the pokemon from conception to release. A lot of the earliest pokemon seem to learn everything like rhydon, clefairy and lapras are some of the oldest design wise and have massive movepools. The newer ones conceptualized have far more scarce of a movepool.
@@BaeBunni Normal Types in Gen seem to learn a wide variety of moves in exchange for not having super effective stab. Grimer sludge can be very combustable at least. Slowpoke line seems to be based on the sazae oni though i didn't read anything about them being able to control or use fire.
I did a Platinum ground-only run about a year ago. I'll never forget fighting Cynthia's Garchomp; it was like an "Okay, you gotta watch this" moment. My Whiscash froze it with Blizzard after taking out just less than half of its health. I tried to not get it into red health, but unfortunately it did and she used a full restore... Only for Whiscash to freeze it a second time! I took it out while it was still frozen. I'm so glad that happened because I would have lost otherwise. Oh, and my whole team was in the low level 50s.
I don't have an actual reason for Rhydon learning Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, and Ice Beam outside of Gen 1 gonna Gen 1, but the closest justification I can think of is because it's a Kaiju.
16:37 known trait of gen 4 AI. They are obsessed with getting a speed drops, so unless they see a KO with another move, they will go for the speed drop instead
On our way through, I took the Skull Fossil. I knew if I didn’t say what I took, you’d all ask. Actually, now that I think about it, everyone asks anyway. Comments are good for the RUclips algorithm.
He also could've used Torterra, obviously, Turtwig and Grotle aren't ground types but other RUclipsrs just don't use the pokemon in major battles until they evolve into whatever type they are using for the monotype challenge
Not sure if it is possible but a run with only multistrike moves would be sweet! Later gens would likely be easier with a larger move pool! Moves like double kick, twin needle, bonemerang, double hit, gear grind, arm thrust, barrage, bone rush, bullet seed, comet punch, double slap, fury attack, fury swipes, icicle spear, pin missle, rock blast, scale shot, and water shuriken to name a few would be neat if its possible to pull off.
In the future if you have a similar dilemma as if you could use turtwig, I propose that you can take the unmodified starter so long as you don’t make use of stab until you have the necessary type. It doesn’t account for the difference in weaknesses but I think that’s fine, weakness aren’t usually that pressing early game.
Challenge Suggestion: Oblivion with only Bow and Arrows. They will drive a hole in your pocket early game, and not deal enough damage late game. A perfectly brutal challenge.
I love these videos so much. Can't wait to see the water gym. I had a fairly fine team in my platinum run, but I remember absolutely struggling with the water gym. Crasher Wake is my least favorite gym leader because of it. Had flashbacks just hearing about the water gym lol. But I love fun challenges like these. Hippopotas is so cute too.
1:20 I think it'd be fine to use starters that evolve to gain a second type you're planning to use in a run personally, but since you're unsure, you could maybe try waiting until a reasonable time to evolve it fully and start holding it in a PC until then after you get other options. I think other RUclipsrs who do challenge runs like mono runs did this, so it's not particularly unprecedented
I think people asking when this or that will be coming is a good thing in a way because it shows that people still want and are excited for you to play those games but I can understand if getting annoying if the comment section is just flooded with them
Rhyhorn, the Rhyhorn line, as well as other lines such as the Nidoran line, learn moves such as thunderbolt and ice beam due to them learning those moves in Generation 1. If you look through the movesets of various pokemon introduced in Generation 1, particularly normal types, you will find other such cases where there is little explanation of why they learn those moves, such as tauros learning thunder, blizzard, and fire blast.
...I find it very amusing that you opted to focus on Rhyhorn learning Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, and Flamethrower... ...while completely ignoring the fact that its evolution, Rhydon, can learn *_Surf._*
i am SO HAPPY that the dentist is not a nightmare for you. When i was...like 7, i had a bad teeth, a milk one, and the dentist insisted to devitalize it...and she was doing it WITHOUT ANESTESIA. I was screaming like a pig, and she was calling me names for it! my mom STORMED IN like a fury, told her off, and took me to another dentist, that simply removed the teeth, that would have fallen off anyway. From that moment i have a...not phobia, but i rerally dislike dentists, so much that when a couple yeras back i needed another teeth devitalized, i had a small panic attack. you can't understand how lucky you are...
I was confused for a second because I saw a ground type run of Platinum just a few days ago. Turns out it was a FlygonHG hardcore nuzlocke, and he used Sandy Cloak Wormadam against Gardenia.
I'm thinking it would be cool to do starter only runs, like Bulbasaur, Charmander, and Squirtle in red/blue. Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile in gold/silver. no evolving, just the juniors 🫡
On our way to a town, I mined the skull fossil. I knew if I didn't say what I took, you'd all ask. Actually now that I think about it, everyone would just ask anyway. Comments are good for the algorithm
There are a lot of things you could have done to make your run easier. If you got a Wormadam Ground Clock, the Gardenia fight would have been easier. Hippowdon gets the Elemental Fangs moves via Move relearner which includes Thunder Fang. Which would have made dealing with Gyarados easier.
*sad Quagsire noises* Not that there's anything wrong with Whiscash, of course! But Quagsire does offer more utility by having Water Absorb, which would've helped a lot with the battle against Crasher Wake and Cynthia's Milotic.
This was an awesome run Mah-Dry-Bread! Ground is my favourite type so watching a team run in gen 4 was, cool to see and interesting to see how they, would do in Platinum overall.
Mah-Dry-Bread says that a Gible with a Jolly nature isn't gonna matter too much, then Cynthis's champion ace pokemon Garchomp comes out... you should have left it in. You outspeed because of jolly even with the -7 level gap! (I did the ruff calculations before "running my mouth", so I know what I'm talking about.)
It's funny, i just saw a ground nuzlocke of platinum. What the guy did was keep turtwig until he could reach the cave and catch a geodude, then box the turtwig until he could evolve it outside of any major battles. That would have been an okay way to do it.
FlygonHG's video right? A nice coincidence that both did a challenge based on the same type. It's fun seeing 2 completely different playstyles of the game
31:18 Rhyperior can have either Solid Rock or Lightningrod. As a bit of a mercy to the player Bertha's has Lightningrod for its ability. My sources are Bulbapedia's page on Bertha and Chuggaaconroy's let's play of Pokémon Platinum
First time I've seen the ability and description for "oblivious" Examples of things like this show the devs have some sense of humour, always love seeing how it leaks out
The simplest explanation is because Rhyhorn is related to Rhydon, the first Pokémon created. So it can learn the broadest of TMs. Something shared by other "monster" group Pokémon who are reptilian-mammalian-dinosaur hybrid creatures.
MDBAMA: I have one suggestion for you. I really love all your videos so in team runs for example this one you could make it more harder by keeping level caps of gyms like other nuzlockers especially in team runs and not in solo runs. Can you add this also as it will make the challenges and videos interesting?
As far as why certain pokemon can learn specific moves, because wynaut? Comments are good for the RUclips algorithm. All top for the gamble that isn't in this game (if you get this reference, YAY!)
These type team runs are always great. I've had the idea of doing a B2W2 run with a dark only team, due to the sheer number of diverse dark types in the second unova dex
The reason pokemon like Rhydon, Nidoking, Tyranitar and the like learn so many elemental attacks is because their designs are Kaiju motifs. Kaiju being godzilla-esque monsters that typically have a variety of energy/elemental blasts they use.
Pokémon Yellow with first form versions of Ash Ketchums team Pokémon any Gen with the first 6 Pokémon you find in any route, but you can’t evolve them. You can swap out after gym leaders. Pokémon Any Gen but only using RNG moves (Psywave, Magnitude, etc) Pokémon Any Gen but you can only use standard poke balls Pokémon BW2 with only Ns Pokémon Pokémon HGSS with only headbutt tree and sweet scent Pokémon Or moves with random # of attacks like Double Kick, Double Slap, Fury Cutter, etc Fallout NV with thrown melee weapons only Fallout NV with only Nuka Cola (Nuka breaker and Nuka grenades) Fallout 4 with only Thirst Zapper Fallout 4 with only Power Armror and Cryolator Fallout NV with only the dart gun Fallout 4 with only Zeta Wave Gamma Gun Fallout 4 with only Shem Drowne Sword Fallout NV with only a nailed board/baseball bat Fallout NV with only Bladed Gauntlets
I made the world's saddest peanut butter sandwich while watching this. I have no bread or jam, it's just a bunch of peanut butter between two tortilla shells.
I wanted to make a turkey and swiss, but I ran out of turkey. I just had swiss cheese and bread After typing that out, cheese and bread can be quite fancy, guess I should be grateful
I remember Purugly is normal type but since I was a kid I’ve always thought that Zubat was dark/flying. Crobat reads as poison to me but Zubat and sometimes Golbat I always mix up.
Ground/Rock makes some sense with thunderbolt, ice beam and flame thrower from a physics perspective, but certainly not from a lore one. Thunderbolt: Electricity wants to hit the ground by the most efficient path possible. If a ground type could create a really good looking spot of ground to hit, it could be used to set up targets for electrical potential. Initiating the thunderbolt itself doesn't necessarily make sense though, unless you also buy into the flamethrower explanation below. Short version: differences in temperature between atmosphere and ground increase electrical potential. Flamethrower: Tectonic movement could generate enough heat within the body to ignite something. It could also just contain traces of flint and metal to generate a spark. Finely powdered sand could have similar ignition potential to coffee creamer in the pokemon universe, so it could be igniting really finely ground sand to act as a flame medium. Best I've got without researching and seems pretty flimsy. Ice beam: Same tectonic forces as for Flamethrower, but used differently. Have you ever visited a permanent ice cave near a volcano? They're pretty cool (Hahaha). You're welcome, I accepted your engagement bait in good faith.
When the BDSP remakes came out, I actually did my own Ground-type only run! I chose to use Turtwig, because in my opinion if a Pokemon can become a certain type via evolution it’s allowed in mono-type runs
@Mah-Dry-Bread you mentioned buying vitamins while grinding for the E4 and that reminded me of a suggestion i wanted to make. You go through the game maxing out effort values naturally, which means they end up very scattered. I say that once they are maxed and you are using spawned in rare candles to power through a wall, go ahead and spawn in vitamins to clean up the effort values to what is actually useful to that pokemon.
I don't know why but I will like to see the nickname of the wingull French Fry XD Pokémon Challenge suggestion: You are free to go with the game of your choice, but the challenges is using only middle evolution stage pokémon. (For Exemple: If you pick Bulbasaur as your starter, you can only battle with Ivysaur.) You are not allowed to use pokémon who's has no evolution or only 1, it must be a pokémon with a 2 stage linear Evolution. So pokémon like Eevee or Tyrogue are not allowed, but pokémon like Oddish, Poliwag or Ralts are allowed. Try number: 17
I respect mdb choice of not doing nuzlockes, as someone who also finds it really tedious. But for team runs I think there should be at least SOME level cap. Otherwise it's just over levelling instead of outsmarting the game.
I could see Flamethrower in a similar vein, just with heat instead, but Ice beam is nonsense. The outside explanation? It has a horn, so it shoots stuff out of it.
Pretty sure u should have gotten a female burmy from honey trees before gardenia so that u can evolve it in its sand cloak form to have the ground wormadam. That should have been enough to beat gardenia since its pretty defensive with 79 base attack and bug bite as a level up move.
Suggestion for new title: Can I beat Pokemon Platinum using Bertha's team. I saw that every single pokemon was the same so I went hey look at that LMAO
The rhyhorn and Nidos learning moves like flamethrower and ice Beam are probably based off the fact that those guys look like Kaiju. Lightning for rhyhorn also gets retroactive cred since rhyhorn got Lightning rod as an ability.
The only reason that makes sense to me as to why Rhydon can learn Thunderbolt is because of its ability Lightning Rod. But I’m pretty sure that itself has a few problems. Anyway, my suggestion: Pokemon Platinum with Fantina’s team and moves.
31:04 As a Ground type master who has raised well over 16 Rhyperior in his career I can’t stress enough how much of a monster they are without a grass or water move Base 115 hp is pretty high Base 130 def is incredibly high bolstered by Solid Rock And a whopping base 140 attack is ridiculous easily in the top ten highest attack stat in Gen 4 as the only things that were higher were legends and Rampardos Don’t think just because he has quad weaknesses to water and grass doesn’t mean you always have access to them
Hello MDB - here's my suggestion for a challenge: Platinum with only first form fire types. As usual, love watching your videos, always makes me smile when I see a new one drop!
Rhyhorn learning Thunderbolt could make some sense. It has Lightningrod as an ability, so maybe it can channel the lightning it redirects. Ice Beam and Flamethrower, though? That's totally a holdover from Gen 1. Which was based on RPG mechanics at the time. Ice, Elec and Fire made a trio because of games like Final Fantasy.
Personally, I think Rhyhorn can learn thunderbolt because it has the ability lightning rod (if I recall correctly) and instead of the typical thunderbolt, it just stands next to the opponent and they both just get shocked by lightning, only rhyhorn doesn't take damage as its a ground type. The other theory I have is that its a reference to the infamous "aim for the horn Pikachu" scene
Hello I'm here for my suggestion : Pokemon Black2 or White2 with only one Maractus 🌵 😊
I hope everyone as a good day !
Bless this man please
This is brilliance. Love Maractus, but it's just so dang frail and slow. In a similar boat to Rampardos.
i wanna see this
I really wanna see this run, keep up the persistence man I’m sure he’ll do it eventually! 😇🙏
While I agree, gen5 runs are very rare as exp gain is super nerfed in those games
Rydon learns those moves because it's a dragon, an earth dragon.
Just like Gyarados, Charizard, Aerodactyl, etc. it's a dragon without having the dragon typing, which one of the designers of pokemon made a tweet confirming that not all dragons have the dragon type.
If he was dragon/ground in gen 1, it would be totaly busted
aka Kaiju
And aggron also learns a bunch of coverage for the same reason
@@Kordinauzah yes, instead of insta-dying to grass and water, you insta-die to ice, which is one of the best types, and you lose out on the normal resistance! not to mention you lose out on rock STAB which isn't amazing in gen 1 but it's great to smack birds around, and oh right, you also are now vulnerable to flying moves too, so you can't wall them as effectively!
dragon/ground would be probably be worse in gen 1
thats true, Nidoking too. that poison bunny rabbit kaiju, has a massive move ocean
Gligar being drastically different colors between games will never not be weird
I legitimately thought he caught a shiny without realizing
Same
MDBAMA: In black and white play throughs, why don’t you take on Cynthia or Alder? You take on Red in silver and gold play throughs and Steven in Emerald.
Gen 5 are rare runs as exp gain is super nerfed. He should use rare candies if needed tho, he's been using them for curtain runs
That is a good question
I believe the answer is most likely a time issue. Gen 5 takes much longer than other gens because of how exp works in those games, so he might just not have the time to commit to those post-game bosses
Take my thrumb's up. Now that he's using rare candies, the high level shouldn't be a barrier anymore. Hopefully he sees this one.
There's also a few rom hacks that patch the old xp system into gen 5
he answered this in a live chat once, the runs already take ages so he usually doesn't have any more time for those fights
One thing I would help with recommend for challenges like this, where a Starter isn’t eligible but the evolution is (like this challenge with Turtwig and Grotle not being ground but Torterra being ground), is something some Nuzlockers do where you allow use of the starter until the next eligible encounter, than disabling the use of the starter until it evolves into the eligible pokemon, while Gardenia might become way harder with this example, it would be interesting to be able to see a starter in the runs
No, no, it's 'cause Rhyhorn has the Lightningrod Ability! So it uses that latent electrical power to charge its Thunder attacks! And it, uh... can harness it to become fire and ice with the power of imagination 'cause Rhydon was the first Pokémon ever designed! It all adds up!
Is that factoring in the 1/1024+ chance for an electric-type move to OHKO a Lightning Rod pokemon like in the anime?
The reason pokemon like Rhydon, Nidoking, Tyranitar and the like learn so many elemental attacks is because their designs are Kaiju motifs. Kaiju being godzilla-esque monsters that typically have a variety of energy/elemental blasts they use.
Why didn't he mention the weirdness of Rhydon being able to learn Surf? That one strikes me as the weirdest. Thunderbolt makes some sense in a strange roundabout way, if you consider them as a "Living Mountain". Mountains can handle Lightning Strikes & can affect the weather around them, what's more quartz crystals can transmit/conduct energy & are often found within rocks/mountains, therefore in a weird way them learning Thunder/Thunderbolt works. As for Ice Beam it goes back to weather effects & how some mountains are always Cold/Icy/Snowy at the top. With Flamethrower if you consider that Rocks often either form from or erupt from Volcanic eruptions/Lava, then the various Rock Types being able to learn various Fire Moves makes sense in a way by "Tapping into that Volcanic Origins".
I assume why Rhyhorn, Rhydon, Nidoking, Tyranitar etc can learn moves like thunder, ice beam, flamethrower are cuz of their kaiju based origins which those can do a lot of things like that. Yeah its not an in universe reason but thats just what I always took it as. Seriously though go look at Baragon and then look at Nidoking, they are almost identical even morso after Baragon got more purple in the early 2000's.
to bad that argument falls apart real fast besides the ones mentioned, grimer, slowpoke, kangastkhan, chansey, jigglepuff, clefairy, snorlax also can learn them all. I think it has way more to do with age of the pokemon from conception to release. A lot of the earliest pokemon seem to learn everything like rhydon, clefairy and lapras are some of the oldest design wise and have massive movepools. The newer ones conceptualized have far more scarce of a movepool.
@@BaeBunni Normal Types in Gen seem to learn a wide variety of moves in exchange for not having super effective stab. Grimer sludge can be very combustable at least. Slowpoke line seems to be based on the sazae oni though i didn't read anything about them being able to control or use fire.
Don't say that, baragon is one of the worst kaijus and the nidos are some of the best Pokemon.
Ryhorn has lightning rod
14:48 I think this is the first time Damp has ever been useful in a serious battle in the history of Pokemon.
Man just forgetting that going boom was an actual move used in comp before it got nerfed boom used to -2 their defense then explode
@@owenblount7334 In fairness, in most circumstances Pokemon with the Damp ability have better abilities to use, but yeah it wasn't worthless in Gen 4!
I did a Platinum ground-only run about a year ago. I'll never forget fighting Cynthia's Garchomp; it was like an "Okay, you gotta watch this" moment. My Whiscash froze it with Blizzard after taking out just less than half of its health. I tried to not get it into red health, but unfortunately it did and she used a full restore...
Only for Whiscash to freeze it a second time! I took it out while it was still frozen. I'm so glad that happened because I would have lost otherwise.
Oh, and my whole team was in the low level 50s.
Whiscash was like "I didn't say you could thaw." Lmao.
Looks like your “Whis” came true.
As silly as Wormadam is, you could have used it for Gardenia. It’s neutral to Grass and learns Confusion at level 23 to have something for Roserade.
However, as FlygonHG noted, Bug Bite is still the better move in that fight
@@sapphiredraggytheflygon8521 True, STAB is better. I didn't know he did a similar run. I'll have to check it out.
I don't have an actual reason for Rhydon learning Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, and Ice Beam outside of Gen 1 gonna Gen 1, but the closest justification I can think of is because it's a Kaiju.
16:37 known trait of gen 4 AI. They are obsessed with getting a speed drops, so unless they see a KO with another move, they will go for the speed drop instead
Yep. The CPU opponents, if they have moves that lower speed (such as Rock Tomb), they'll prioritize that.
On our way through, I took the Skull Fossil. I knew if I didn’t say what I took, you’d all ask. Actually, now that I think about it, everyone asks anyway. Comments are good for the RUclips algorithm.
Onix is in Oreburgh Mine. Steelix is in Iron Island. I'm not sure why you caught neither.
He also could've used Torterra, obviously, Turtwig and Grotle aren't ground types but other RUclipsrs just don't use the pokemon in major battles until they evolve into whatever type they are using for the monotype challenge
Not sure if it is possible but a run with only multistrike moves would be sweet! Later gens would likely be easier with a larger move pool! Moves like double kick, twin needle, bonemerang, double hit, gear grind, arm thrust, barrage, bone rush, bullet seed, comet punch, double slap, fury attack, fury swipes, icicle spear, pin missle, rock blast, scale shot, and water shuriken to name a few would be neat if its possible to pull off.
I'm pretty sure its
hippo-po-tas and Hip-Pow-don
Correct me if im wrong
What a surprisingly _grounded_ run. No? Okay...
Requesting Pokemon B2W2 With Only One Chinchou.
Ba dum, tissh! Hehe, I love a good pun! It's really.... Groundbreaking, isn't it! Hehe, I will see myself out now!
@@peachymiku6432 Yeah, after those terrible jokes we should probably _go to _*_ground._*
@@parzival-bo Hehe, some might say we are *digging* our own grave!
@@peachymiku6432 ...something about this feels wrong...I feel kinda _dirty_ about it.
@@parzival-bo 😸 Maybe we should take things *underground!*
In the future if you have a similar dilemma as if you could use turtwig, I propose that you can take the unmodified starter so long as you don’t make use of stab until you have the necessary type. It doesn’t account for the difference in weaknesses but I think that’s fine, weakness aren’t usually that pressing early game.
6:59 Don't forget surf!
Challenge Suggestion: Oblivion with only Bow and Arrows. They will drive a hole in your pocket early game, and not deal enough damage late game. A perfectly brutal challenge.
I love these videos so much. Can't wait to see the water gym. I had a fairly fine team in my platinum run, but I remember absolutely struggling with the water gym. Crasher Wake is my least favorite gym leader because of it. Had flashbacks just hearing about the water gym lol. But I love fun challenges like these. Hippopotas is so cute too.
I think it's weirder that Rhydon can learn Surf.
I WAS TODAY YEARS OLD WHEN I LEARNED RYHORN CAN LEARN
THUNDERBOLT< FLAMETHROWER AND ICE BEAM!!!???
What in the world!?
Wait until you learn it can learn surf in every generation. The only game it can’t learn surf is legends arceus. Legit serious about that
That’s Generation 1 for you.
@@jo3d1rt391 i mean... it can swim, yeah? so no reason it can't learn surf.
You should've taken turtwig, used it until you caught a ground type, then brought it back when it evolves to torterra.
Yeah, he should have picked Turtwig and used it until he caught Geodude.
1:20 I think it'd be fine to use starters that evolve to gain a second type you're planning to use in a run personally, but since you're unsure, you could maybe try waiting until a reasonable time to evolve it fully and start holding it in a PC until then after you get other options. I think other RUclipsrs who do challenge runs like mono runs did this, so it's not particularly unprecedented
Rhydon learns thunderbolt because his horn spins so quickly like a dynamo. 😅
I think people asking when this or that will be coming is a good thing in a way because it shows that people still want and are excited for you to play those games but I can understand if getting annoying if the comment section is just flooded with them
Rhyhorn, the Rhyhorn line, as well as other lines such as the Nidoran line, learn moves such as thunderbolt and ice beam due to them learning those moves in Generation 1. If you look through the movesets of various pokemon introduced in Generation 1, particularly normal types, you will find other such cases where there is little explanation of why they learn those moves, such as tauros learning thunder, blizzard, and fire blast.
...I find it very amusing that you opted to focus on Rhyhorn learning Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, and Flamethrower...
...while completely ignoring the fact that its evolution, Rhydon, can learn *_Surf._*
@mahdrybread dude this is the best team I’ve ever seen you assemble since I started watching you 5 years ago!! Viva la Ground Types! ❤
Damn, MahDry got some really good natures in this run, Adamant Geodude and Rhyhorn, Jolly Gible, Naughty Hippopotas
i am SO HAPPY that the dentist is not a nightmare for you.
When i was...like 7, i had a bad teeth, a milk one, and the dentist insisted to devitalize it...and she was doing it WITHOUT ANESTESIA.
I was screaming like a pig, and she was calling me names for it!
my mom STORMED IN like a fury, told her off, and took me to another dentist, that simply removed the teeth, that would have fallen off anyway.
From that moment i have a...not phobia, but i rerally dislike dentists, so much that when a couple yeras back i needed another teeth devitalized, i had a small panic attack.
you can't understand how lucky you are...
I was confused for a second because I saw a ground type run of Platinum just a few days ago. Turns out it was a FlygonHG hardcore nuzlocke, and he used Sandy Cloak Wormadam against Gardenia.
Yeah, that was FlygonHG. His naming theme was characters in The Office, by the way.
I'm thinking it would be cool to do starter only runs, like Bulbasaur, Charmander, and Squirtle in red/blue. Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile in gold/silver. no evolving, just the juniors 🫡
On our way to a town, I mined the skull fossil. I knew if I didn't say what I took, you'd all ask. Actually now that I think about it, everyone would just ask anyway. Comments are good for the algorithm
There are a lot of things you could have done to make your run easier.
If you got a Wormadam Ground Clock, the Gardenia fight would have been easier.
Hippowdon gets the Elemental Fangs moves via Move relearner which includes Thunder Fang. Which would have made dealing with Gyarados easier.
*sad Quagsire noises*
Not that there's anything wrong with Whiscash, of course! But Quagsire does offer more utility by having Water Absorb, which would've helped a lot with the battle against Crasher Wake and Cynthia's Milotic.
man, I waited at 12:00 for something like "wait. does that mean that Rhyperior is superior?"
"Fun type run" should be a channel meme that's so good
This was an awesome run Mah-Dry-Bread! Ground is my favourite type so watching a team run in gen 4 was, cool to see and interesting to see how they, would do in Platinum overall.
Mah-Dry-Bread says that a Gible with a Jolly nature isn't gonna matter too much, then Cynthis's champion ace pokemon Garchomp comes out... you should have left it in. You outspeed because of jolly even with the -7 level gap! (I did the ruff calculations before "running my mouth", so I know what I'm talking about.)
MDB, plays "like a casual" for most of the part so I don't think he actually looks up speed stats/damage calcs
I did a ground type-only run for Sword/Shield. It was probably the most fun ive had in a run.
Who did u use I been wanting to do one
@@mathewbrewington2679 I don't remember all of them, but I know I used Rhyperior, Gastrodon, Hippowdon, and Krookodile
It's funny, i just saw a ground nuzlocke of platinum. What the guy did was keep turtwig until he could reach the cave and catch a geodude, then box the turtwig until he could evolve it outside of any major battles. That would have been an okay way to do it.
FlygonHG's video right?
A nice coincidence that both did a challenge based on the same type. It's fun seeing 2 completely different playstyles of the game
Was it FlygonHG?
I've always thought about doing an all dog pokemon or all cat pokemon run. Might be a fun challenge run.
I just did a Ground type monolocke in Platinum, so I know how annoying the early game can be (unless you grab a Wormadam)
31:18 Rhyperior can have either Solid Rock or Lightningrod. As a bit of a mercy to the player Bertha's has Lightningrod for its ability. My sources are Bulbapedia's page on Bertha and Chuggaaconroy's let's play of Pokémon Platinum
First time I've seen the ability and description for "oblivious"
Examples of things like this show the devs have some sense of humour, always love seeing how it leaks out
10:09 that’s the BEST nature lmaoo
Hippodown going beast mode in this run
The simplest explanation is because Rhyhorn is related to Rhydon, the first Pokémon created. So it can learn the broadest of TMs. Something shared by other "monster" group Pokémon who are reptilian-mammalian-dinosaur hybrid creatures.
Hip-pow-don there is a w in the name
MDBAMA: I have one suggestion for you. I really love all your videos so in team runs for example this one you could make it more harder by keeping level caps of gyms like other nuzlockers especially in team runs and not in solo runs. Can you add this also as it will make the challenges and videos interesting?
6:44 The sound of a charging rhino is like the sound of thunder.
As far as why certain pokemon can learn specific moves, because wynaut? Comments are good for the RUclips algorithm. All top for the gamble that isn't in this game (if you get this reference, YAY!)
Oh hey, I did a challenge like this years ago. Can’t to see how much better you probably did.
I love the thought of Explosion being clutch
These type team runs are always great. I've had the idea of doing a B2W2 run with a dark only team, due to the sheer number of diverse dark types in the second unova dex
The reason pokemon like Rhydon, Nidoking, Tyranitar and the like learn so many elemental attacks is because their designs are Kaiju motifs. Kaiju being godzilla-esque monsters that typically have a variety of energy/elemental blasts they use.
Pokémon Yellow with first form versions of Ash Ketchums team
Pokémon any Gen with the first 6 Pokémon you find in any route, but you can’t evolve them. You can swap out after gym leaders.
Pokémon Any Gen but only using RNG moves (Psywave, Magnitude, etc)
Pokémon Any Gen but you can only use standard poke balls
Pokémon BW2 with only Ns Pokémon
Pokémon HGSS with only headbutt tree and sweet scent Pokémon
Or moves with random # of attacks like Double Kick, Double Slap, Fury Cutter, etc
Fallout NV with thrown melee weapons only
Fallout NV with only Nuka Cola (Nuka breaker and Nuka grenades)
Fallout 4 with only Thirst Zapper
Fallout 4 with only Power Armror and Cryolator
Fallout NV with only the dart gun
Fallout 4 with only Zeta Wave Gamma Gun
Fallout 4 with only Shem Drowne Sword
Fallout NV with only a nailed board/baseball bat
Fallout NV with only Bladed Gauntlets
I made the world's saddest peanut butter sandwich while watching this. I have no bread or jam, it's just a bunch of peanut butter between two tortilla shells.
Go out and get some bread bro
@sfish6 meh, it would have taken too long and I was hungry as fuck at the time.
I wanted to make a turkey and swiss, but I ran out of turkey. I just had swiss cheese and bread
After typing that out, cheese and bread can be quite fancy, guess I should be grateful
I remember Purugly is normal
type but since I was a kid I’ve always thought that Zubat was dark/flying. Crobat reads as poison to me but Zubat and sometimes Golbat I always mix up.
Tons of dark types on team Plasma, PLUS I remember it using Faint Attack often. Thought it was dark at first, too.
Rhyhorn can learn those moves because he's a cool guy that doesn't afraid of anything.
Except drops of water.
Ryhorn learns Thunderbolt, Ice Beam and Flamethrower because Godzilla.
Ground/Rock makes some sense with thunderbolt, ice beam and flame thrower from a physics perspective, but certainly not from a lore one.
Thunderbolt: Electricity wants to hit the ground by the most efficient path possible. If a ground type could create a really good looking spot of ground to hit, it could be used to set up targets for electrical potential. Initiating the thunderbolt itself doesn't necessarily make sense though, unless you also buy into the flamethrower explanation below. Short version: differences in temperature between atmosphere and ground increase electrical potential.
Flamethrower: Tectonic movement could generate enough heat within the body to ignite something. It could also just contain traces of flint and metal to generate a spark. Finely powdered sand could have similar ignition potential to coffee creamer in the pokemon universe, so it could be igniting really finely ground sand to act as a flame medium. Best I've got without researching and seems pretty flimsy.
Ice beam: Same tectonic forces as for Flamethrower, but used differently. Have you ever visited a permanent ice cave near a volcano? They're pretty cool (Hahaha).
You're welcome, I accepted your engagement bait in good faith.
7:37 Sandstorm give 50% Sp. Def boost to Rock type starting from Gen VII, isn't it ?
No, no, he had it right. This feature of sandstorm began in gen IV.
When the BDSP remakes came out, I actually did my own Ground-type only run! I chose to use Turtwig, because in my opinion if a Pokemon can become a certain type via evolution it’s allowed in mono-type runs
IMO if the Pokemon evolves into the type and its evo is not available in the wild then its fine
Jolly is probably the second best Garchomp nature. What a find!
I missed your awesome Pokemon play through because I was watching your awesome DEVOUR play through.
In diamond that exact fight with perugly is a fight with a skuntank, so absolutely makes sense
Nicely done as per usual. I'd like to see a Pokemon Sword/Shield run with only Zigzagoon (preferably one of each variant)
@Mah-Dry-Bread you mentioned buying vitamins while grinding for the E4 and that reminded me of a suggestion i wanted to make.
You go through the game maxing out effort values naturally, which means they end up very scattered. I say that once they are maxed and you are using spawned in rare candles to power through a wall, go ahead and spawn in vitamins to clean up the effort values to what is actually useful to that pokemon.
aaah It's Hippo-Poe-Tahs XD Love your videos, but hearing one of my fave pokemon said wrong was nagging at my 'um actually' brain cells XD
I don't know why but I will like to see the nickname of the wingull French Fry XD
Pokémon Challenge suggestion: You are free to go with the game of your choice, but the challenges is using only middle evolution stage pokémon. (For Exemple: If you pick Bulbasaur as your starter, you can only battle with Ivysaur.) You are not allowed to use pokémon who's has no evolution or only 1, it must be a pokémon with a 2 stage linear Evolution. So pokémon like Eevee or Tyrogue are not allowed, but pokémon like Oddish, Poliwag or Ralts are allowed.
Try number: 17
Man, I just watched a Nuzlocke of Platinum with only Ground types last week, so I know that this is possible
Your nature luck on this run was absolutely insane!
Cynthis reminded me of the legendary Snowbama from way back when.
I do appreciate the full team videos more than single mon runs
I wish more Pokemon learned the odd moves like Gen 1, like Rattata with Bubblebeam
I respect mdb choice of not doing nuzlockes, as someone who also finds it really tedious. But for team runs I think there should be at least SOME level cap. Otherwise it's just over levelling instead of outsmarting the game.
My best guess for Rhyhorn learning Thunderbolt is absorbing static electricity from running or whatever and concentrating and firing it.
I could see Flamethrower in a similar vein, just with heat instead, but Ice beam is nonsense. The outside explanation? It has a horn, so it shoots stuff out of it.
Rhyhorn can learn thunderbolt because he has a horn and lighting can be shot out of it.
you know what could be an interesting challenge? Pokemon X/Y with a team of flying types (I would love seeing you battle Sky trainers)
Two challenge suggestions:
1. Gen 2 with only grass types
2. Any Red/Blue with only Dratini
Ryhorn can learn Thunderbolt because he's a lightning rod. My theory.
Pretty sure u should have gotten a female burmy from honey trees before gardenia so that u can evolve it in its sand cloak form to have the ground wormadam. That should have been enough to beat gardenia since its pretty defensive with 79 base attack and bug bite as a level up move.
I’d love to see a black or white run with only normal types OR only one woobat.
Suggestion for new title: Can I beat Pokemon Platinum using Bertha's team. I saw that every single pokemon was the same so I went hey look at that LMAO
The rhyhorn and Nidos learning moves like flamethrower and ice Beam are probably based off the fact that those guys look like Kaiju. Lightning for rhyhorn also gets retroactive cred since rhyhorn got Lightning rod as an ability.
I mean, if a Pokémon can randomly learn Thunderbolt, randomly learning Ice Beam and Flamethrower too just makes sense.
My browser crashed! Browser crashes are good for the youtube algorithm!
my answer for why pokemon can learn moves they seemingly shouldn't is, well, why not?
02:26 yeah HGSS expanded the movepools of certain mons even more, like how it gave Ho-Oh Brave Bird
Both x and dungeon I have been rewatching all them series this past month
The only reason that makes sense to me as to why Rhydon can learn Thunderbolt is because of its ability Lightning Rod. But I’m pretty sure that itself has a few problems. Anyway, my suggestion: Pokemon Platinum with Fantina’s team and moves.
31:04 As a Ground type master who has raised well over 16 Rhyperior in his career I can’t stress enough how much of a monster they are without a grass or water move
Base 115 hp is pretty high
Base 130 def is incredibly high bolstered by Solid Rock
And a whopping base 140 attack is ridiculous easily in the top ten highest attack stat in Gen 4 as the only things that were higher were legends and Rampardos
Don’t think just because he has quad weaknesses to water and grass doesn’t mean you always have access to them
Hello MDB - here's my suggestion for a challenge: Platinum with only first form fire types. As usual, love watching your videos, always makes me smile when I see a new one drop!
Rhyhorn learning Thunderbolt could make some sense. It has Lightningrod as an ability, so maybe it can channel the lightning it redirects. Ice Beam and Flamethrower, though? That's totally a holdover from Gen 1. Which was based on RPG mechanics at the time. Ice, Elec and Fire made a trio because of games like Final Fantasy.
Personally, I think Rhyhorn can learn thunderbolt because it has the ability lightning rod (if I recall correctly) and instead of the typical thunderbolt, it just stands next to the opponent and they both just get shocked by lightning, only rhyhorn doesn't take damage as its a ground type.
The other theory I have is that its a reference to the infamous "aim for the horn Pikachu" scene