Everyone knew Intel was going to make major investments in US production, yet many are criticizing that they did exactly what they said. Full disclosure, I am long Intel
Intel is going to have proven very undervalued here by the time their new third party accessible foundries are open in 2024/25. They're ramping to become the third largest foundry after TSMC and Samsung, they're scaling up in their GPU line, they have FPGA products, they have AI training products in Gaudi and GPUs, they're easily going to be much larger in the next few years and there's also the efficiency/workforce tightening. Even though their first gen GPUs were just ok they already beat AMD on ray tracing and upscaling. Don't sleep on it. Long af.
One thing I think you guys miss is that INTEL is a cyclical company as any other semiconductor company. Right now it might be considered a turnaround, but in the end semiconductors are in a cyclical industry. Buy when things look bad, sell when things look good.
About those new factories, I would guess it's wise to assume initial issues with production efficiency - especially as the product portfolio diversifies - which should dent down those profit margin assumptions. Getting production efficiency right against complexity of product lines is a very hard nut to crack.
Could somebody please explain me why on the low side of assumptions there is some hypothetical positive return even when the fair value is below the current price?? They always say “stay till the end we are going to explain all these numbers” but I have never seen an explanation on that even though that is the case in many videos
What do you think about BAC as a long term investment and reinvesting the dividends so long as they pay one? I have about 10% of my portfolio in BAC and MA. I got them back in march when banks took a hit.
NVIDA and AMD is pricing at the current price, Intel is way undervalue. With the market valuation, intel has more room to grow comparative with the 2 stocks, i believe pat will elevate intel very soon.
dumb question: Why is there no historical data for P/E and P/FCF in our stock analyzer? Intel's been around for a long time, so I don't understand. thanks if anyone can tell me.
As someone who can see the Ohio plants construction site from my back yard I’m thinking about picking up intel. They are uprooting so many people and building out our small farming town. And the government gave them money to do it. I just don’t think the people involved would throw so much money at something to let it fail. But at the rate they are going, that’s years away that we see the benefit from what they are building.
They keep delivering on their roadmap lol its not gonna go to 20 anymore unless we have a market crash. Things are starting to look better and better for Intel lately. Gaudi 2 beats Nvidia at certain AI tasks even 😂 Nvidias CUDA moat is shrinking, fabs are close to launch date, they are on schedule for all their nodes still and its looking good, gpu drivers are getting real good. The worst is by far already over for them. I wish it dropped to 20 so I could buy more knowing they are doing well but its never gonna happen unless the market crashes
Bear issue with Intel is that Apple has created ARM chips that are getting vastly better battery life and power consumption. Microsoft is also investigating making their own chips. If Intel cannot solve the battery life issue I think they are going to be hard pressed to keep up.Though they have announced a partnership with Arm, it remains to be seen whether they can deliver cost effective chips as a foundry. Desktop computers demand is down.. Laptops/tablets/phones are the demand products today and all are ARM based. Then there is the Ai future situation. I hope that Intel can come up with solutions because the issue with China and Taiwan is going to come to a head at some point. Just my .02 . I do agree with your assessment that Intel seems a good value. Apparently the market does too right now. Price has been up almost 10% in a month.
Most workloads don't work on ARM chips yet... ARM cant and won't replace x86 for the next 10 years. It a very long and slow process. But this is why Intel is moving to being a foundry. Through the years ARM gets bigger and they can produce those chips for lets say Apple (if they wanna diversify their supply chain or if Intel gets better chips than TSMC) and other companies. And that's also why they invest heavily in GPUs. On top of that ARM isn't really more power efficient. Apple chip just is. Because it was a SoC, great design and the highest density chip (lowest Nm size). Not because it was ARM. They also specifically launched it when Intel was at their weakest point. If Intel follows thought with they roadmap they could just as easily be more power efficient as Apple in a couple years.
I became acquainted to value investing through your channel over the past few years, but the value stocks that you guys leaned into have done very poorly: Intel, Baba, Walgreens...
Intel is building in Arizona, which is a little more than half built for MOD1. The exact same and mirrored facility is being built in Israel and is halfway complete for MOD1. The same fab from Arizona is in the middle of design in Ohio and just started and design just started in Germany You forgot Israel.
Bull case: They are changing their thesis from on (mother)board graphic/integrated graphic card which allows NVIDIA to capitalize on the GPU market. They will be having their own GPU to compete head to head.
What was Intel's market cap in 2020 during it's all time high though? Shouldnt you take that into consideration when comparing the prices? They may have issued new stocks between the two years
Intel is one of the more sketchy value plays, it could even be a value trap however it's an exciting investment, I hold Intel and comprises 65% of my portfolio!
I do think that foot locker currently is pretty much undervalued, although there are many issues they will do very well in the future. I increase my position steadily and hold it for a long time, could work out pretty descent
Would recommend comparing your assumptions in the cases you have done for INTC. You have about 12 videos of the stock in the last 24 months. Compare the case assumptions and that will give you good insight on the perception vs reality of what is possible in this stock.
Roughly $120K in my portfolio are in tech/TSLA stocks, can I get an advice on any other stocks that I can acquire to diversify my reserve across multiple markets while creating a comprehensive portfolio allocation that balances my concerns of risk aversion and returns that meet yearly inflation.
The market is volatile at this time, hence i will suggest you get yourself a financial-advisor that can provide you with entry and exit points on the shares/ETF you focus on.
@@jamescryptoguru-md9nv very true, I started investing before the pandemic and that same year I pulled a profit of about $600k with no prior investing experience, basically all I was doing was seeking guidance from a financial-advisorr, you can be passively involved with the aid of a professional.
How do you deal in your stock analyser if a company is not going to make profits for let’s say the next 4/5 years? Halving the profit margin (ignoring the time value of money)? I expect this the case with Intel. Still very risky, if you look at their Investor Relations presentation when they started their strategic direction shift, you see that they did not expect this total collapse of their business. I do not know any other company in the chips industry that experienced a collapse of this magnitude. Indeed a turnaround play. I would assume a lower profit margin and a higher margin of safety
The constant reminder to stay with you for the last minute of the video, comes across like you're talking to children with ADD. Is this 1 minute reminder really necessary? Makes you look like a control freak a bit. I would recommend skipping the warning. Thanks for the content as usual.
The biggest Problem for Intel is the nanometer size. TSMC has the smallest and thus best chips so aslong as Intel can‘t catch up they will have a big problem.
No, ever since finFET the Nm size wasn't directly measurable anymore. It's a marketing thing. Different companies can have different Nm sizes and have the same performances. Intel's 7nm is as good as TSMC 4nm for example.
I watched your video, mostly you are playing numbers, but barely look into underlying buisiness and why the company could grow. The numbers you are entering are mostly coming out of thin air. Today's intel triggered me write this email. Intel is a company going downhill, but you think it is a good buiness to buy. I am working on this field, I feel I know a thing or two.
Building an AI infrastructure is a massive undertaking, hardware is selling at very high price. AI hardware demands larger space, increase in power consumption, cooling, and has skills gap that needs to fill in. This new hardware will also take large space in addition to storage, network and other existing CPU servers. It's false assumption that CPU based systems will go away or need to be refreshed. These provide great value for transactional workloads at better power, cooling, space, cost efficiency than GPUs. With exponential rise in price to build AI datacenter, pricing the products will be challenging. It may take more than 5yrs to recover the cost and then need another refresh.
Yeap...it will take some time...but unless you see this company survive the next 10 years or more...the future can provide great potential. Don't forget this is a massive company with a great strucutre - GC
If the company doesnt make any profits next 4 years and then makes 20 billion lets say after that a year. Then you give it a multiple and multiply that by the 20bn. Lets say intel is set to make 20bn in fcf in 2027. What is the market paying for that? Industry average is 20-25 pe? I mean nvidia and amd are crazy like 40 pe or so. So lets say intel makes 20bn and the pe is 20 then u get to a 400bn valuation in 2027. This was just hypothetically btw. But if it were true it means u would 2,5* ur money by then. If they made 10bn fcf and the pe is 15 then it means the stock wouldnt move that much until 2027.
Right now I am about breaking even with Intel (+0.50%). I am close to the industry and they are making the right moves, but it will be a while before it shows.
I sold my Intel earlier this year, every time it went down I doubled down, and as soon it went green, like +1.3% I sold everything and moved to PYPL 💀😂 the stress is a constant on the market.
Intel trying to both design chips and be a foundry will be their downfall. No idea why Mo said Intels goal is to be a foundry for TSM. TSM is a foundry on its own and thats what they specialize in and they are light years ahead of Intel in that department. Maybe he meant to say Nvidia? Intel needs to stop spreading themselves thin and just pick one avenue to progress in. Not to mention TSM has massive foundrys being build it the USA and Europe at the moment.
@@m4758406 So you're saying Intel should just focus on being a foundry and not waste time and money trying to design chips and compete with Nvidia/AMD. Also TSMC will have massive plants in Germany and USA which offsets risks of slowdown due to earthquakes in taiwan etc
You can have low, middle low and high assumption...if you believe it deserve a lower PE, feel free to analyse the stock as youy see fit. Paul explained the reational in the video - GC
When looking at all time high compared to now we should look at market cap then to now instead of price. Since issuing shares or buying back will effect that.
@@JohnEButton okay, I'd like hear more. You said plain and simple, do you mean when a market leader lost their market shares, they will never ever get it back? and forever? what timeframe if not? is that always true? no exception? regardless what they are/were?
Could somebody please explain me why on the low side of assumptions there is some hypothetical positive return even when the fair value is below the current price?? They always say “stay till the end we are going to explain all these numbers” but I have never seen an explanation on that even though that is the case in many videos
Could somebody please explain me why on the low side of assumptions there is some hypothetical positive return even when the fair value is below the current price?? They always say “stay till the end we are going to explain all these numbers” but I have never seen an explanation on that even though that is the case in many videos
The forecasting model doesn’t say over what time frame the supposed percentage gain is over either. It could predict it will give you 20% but if takes 5 years to materialise then that is not a good return at present (vs inflation and other possible stocks that could give more).
Everyone knew Intel was going to make major investments in US production, yet many are criticizing that they did exactly what they said. Full disclosure, I am long Intel
Like Mohnish likes to say "Heads, I win, and tails I don't lose very much."
Boom...we love that - GC
you made me ….. 🥴
Congrats guys. The thing i like the most is because every video is different and never repeat yourselfs
Intel is going to have proven very undervalued here by the time their new third party accessible foundries are open in 2024/25. They're ramping to become the third largest foundry after TSMC and Samsung, they're scaling up in their GPU line, they have FPGA products, they have AI training products in Gaudi and GPUs, they're easily going to be much larger in the next few years and there's also the efficiency/workforce tightening. Even though their first gen GPUs were just ok they already beat AMD on ray tracing and upscaling. Don't sleep on it. Long af.
One thing I think you guys miss is that INTEL is a cyclical company as any other semiconductor company. Right now it might be considered a turnaround, but in the end semiconductors are in a cyclical industry. Buy when things look bad, sell when things look good.
Their revenue is at a X year long low now, so now would be that time. Maybe 3 months ago it was a little worse but these cycles last longer than that
About those new factories, I would guess it's wise to assume initial issues with production efficiency - especially as the product portfolio diversifies - which should dent down those profit margin assumptions. Getting production efficiency right against complexity of product lines is a very hard nut to crack.
we have a plan ;)
rock on! I'm long on INTC and a fan of Gelsinger @@markfla
Could somebody please explain me why on the low side of assumptions there is some hypothetical positive return even when the fair value is below the current price?? They always say “stay till the end we are going to explain all these numbers” but I have never seen an explanation on that even though that is the case in many videos
Can you update on latest INtC situation whether still a turnaround play?
What do you think about BAC as a long term investment and reinvesting the dividends so long as they pay one? I have about 10% of my portfolio in BAC and MA. I got them back in march when banks took a hit.
good video guys!
4th case = 90$ stock cuz of hype :D
Haahhaa....we willl see...thanks for saharing - GC
NVIDA and AMD is pricing at the current price, Intel is way undervalue. With the market valuation, intel has more room to grow comparative with the 2 stocks, i believe pat will elevate intel very soon.
dumb question: Why is there no historical data for P/E and P/FCF in our stock analyzer? Intel's been around for a long time, so I don't understand. thanks if anyone can tell me.
As someone who can see the Ohio plants construction site from my back yard I’m thinking about picking up intel. They are uprooting so many people and building out our small farming town. And the government gave them money to do it. I just don’t think the people involved would throw so much money at something to let it fail. But at the rate they are going, that’s years away that we see the benefit from what they are building.
It will definitely go to 20 first, I'm waiting for that price
They keep delivering on their roadmap lol its not gonna go to 20 anymore unless we have a market crash. Things are starting to look better and better for Intel lately. Gaudi 2 beats Nvidia at certain AI tasks even 😂 Nvidias CUDA moat is shrinking, fabs are close to launch date, they are on schedule for all their nodes still and its looking good, gpu drivers are getting real good. The worst is by far already over for them. I wish it dropped to 20 so I could buy more knowing they are doing well but its never gonna happen unless the market crashes
Here's your shot! Lol
Advanced auto parts is down 56% Ytd can you guys do a analysis on it please
Bear issue with Intel is that Apple has created ARM chips that are getting vastly better battery life and power consumption. Microsoft is also investigating making their own chips. If Intel cannot solve the battery life issue I think they are going to be hard pressed to keep up.Though they have announced a partnership with Arm, it remains to be seen whether they can deliver cost effective chips as a foundry. Desktop computers demand is down.. Laptops/tablets/phones are the demand products today and all are ARM based. Then there is the Ai future situation. I hope that Intel can come up with solutions because the issue with China and Taiwan is going to come to a head at some point. Just my .02 . I do agree with your assessment that Intel seems a good value. Apparently the market does too right now. Price has been up almost 10% in a month.
Most workloads don't work on ARM chips yet... ARM cant and won't replace x86 for the next 10 years. It a very long and slow process. But this is why Intel is moving to being a foundry. Through the years ARM gets bigger and they can produce those chips for lets say Apple (if they wanna diversify their supply chain or if Intel gets better chips than TSMC) and other companies. And that's also why they invest heavily in GPUs. On top of that ARM isn't really more power efficient. Apple chip just is. Because it was a SoC, great design and the highest density chip (lowest Nm size). Not because it was ARM. They also specifically launched it when Intel was at their weakest point. If Intel follows thought with they roadmap they could just as easily be more power efficient as Apple in a couple years.
I became acquainted to value investing through your channel over the past few years, but the value stocks that you guys leaned into have done very poorly: Intel, Baba, Walgreens...
Based on 10yrs results?
@@3elperrobased on your mom
Still in baba still in intel you sold yet?
@@3elperro Yes
@@grinder5000314483 Unfortunately yes still in them, down massively and just waiting
Intel is building in Arizona, which is a little more than half built for MOD1. The exact same and mirrored facility is being built in Israel and is halfway complete for MOD1. The same fab from Arizona is in the middle of design in Ohio and just started and design just started in Germany
You forgot Israel.
Cool...thanks for the note - GC
Would be interesting to see a comparison with NVDA to see what is driving the hype in that vs INTC
Bull case: They are changing their thesis from on (mother)board graphic/integrated graphic card which allows NVIDIA to capitalize on the GPU market. They will be having their own GPU to compete head to head.
Bit high assumtion on profit margin and free cashflow growth, i believe.
Could you do research on who are the intel customers to support economic analysis? I feel without knowing it is just talking about data...
What was Intel's market cap in 2020 during it's all time high though? Shouldnt you take that into consideration when comparing the prices? They may have issued new stocks between the two years
they were actually buying back shares from 2010 until 2021.
since 2021 they issued a very small amount of shares. around 3%
It's showing turn around promise, they surprised the last earnings. A great DCA option on red days in my eyes. Awesome analysis as always!
Well said! -GC
Intel is one of the more sketchy value plays, it could even be a value trap however it's an exciting investment, I hold Intel and comprises 65% of my portfolio!
great work, Paul is the best.
How on earth people you haven't made a video on ASML!!
Maybe one day!🤣...Thanks for the suggestion - GC
Can you please do a video on Alteryx and UI Path stocks?
Can you guys do an update on foot locker?
I do think that foot locker currently is pretty much undervalued, although there are many issues they will do very well in the future. I increase my position steadily and hold it for a long time, could work out pretty descent
How would Intel go up during a time when the entire Nasdaq is in a bubble or downward trend?
Intel's battlemage GPUs looking real good
Absolutely - GC
I love owning this stock ❤🔋📃🖊💎 my thesis still the same
And that is all that matter....😉
Thanks for following us - GC
Would recommend comparing your assumptions in the cases you have done for INTC. You have about 12 videos of the stock in the last 24 months.
Compare the case assumptions and that will give you good insight on the perception vs reality of what is possible in this stock.
Cool....thanks for the note - GC
Hello, could you please do analysis of Voltswagen stock?
If you buy intel around 24 ...you definitely going to crush Paul assumptions
Roughly $120K in my portfolio are in tech/TSLA stocks, can I get an advice on any other stocks that I can acquire to diversify my reserve across multiple markets while creating a comprehensive portfolio allocation that balances my concerns of risk aversion and returns that meet yearly inflation.
The market is volatile at this time, hence i will suggest you get yourself a financial-advisor that can provide you with entry and exit points on the shares/ETF you focus on.
@@jamescryptoguru-md9nv very true, I started investing before the pandemic and that same year I pulled a profit of about $600k with no prior investing experience, basically all I was doing was seeking guidance from a financial-advisorr, you can be passively involved with the aid of a professional.
@@ArthurWeghorst wow ,that’s stirring! Do you mind connecting me to your advisor please. I desperately need one to diversified my portfolio.
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That's my licensed Financial advisor you can easily look her up, Thank me later.
How do you deal in your stock analyser if a company is not going to make profits for let’s say the next 4/5 years? Halving the profit margin (ignoring the time value of money)? I expect this the case with Intel. Still very risky, if you look at their Investor Relations presentation when they started their strategic direction shift, you see that they did not expect this total collapse of their business. I do not know any other company in the chips industry that experienced a collapse of this magnitude. Indeed a turnaround play. I would assume a lower profit margin and a higher margin of safety
I hope you start using a white board eraser. It may not be healthy to absorb the ink through your hands. ❤❤❤ Unless it’s a digital pen 🖊️
The constant reminder to stay with you for the last minute of the video, comes across like you're talking to children with ADD. Is this 1 minute reminder really necessary? Makes you look like a control freak a bit. I would recommend skipping the warning. Thanks for the content as usual.
Thank you for following us- GC
The biggest Problem for Intel is the nanometer size. TSMC has the smallest and thus best chips so aslong as Intel can‘t catch up they will have a big problem.
Meetkevin said intel will get advantage next round.they will have the tech first.
They will buy all the same devices and make same nm in no time. TSMC and Intel both buy their machines from ASML
To add to the other points. The vast majority of printed chips are not in the finest nm. They are in the range intel is capable to print them rn.
No, ever since finFET the Nm size wasn't directly measurable anymore. It's a marketing thing. Different companies can have different Nm sizes and have the same performances. Intel's 7nm is as good as TSMC 4nm for example.
I watched your video, mostly you are playing numbers, but barely look into underlying buisiness and why the company could grow. The numbers you are entering are mostly coming out of thin air. Today's intel triggered me write this email. Intel is a company going downhill, but you think it is a good buiness to buy. I am working on this field, I feel I know a thing or two.
Great stuff...thanks for the info much man - GC
great channel greetings from Argentina
Thank you my man - GC
Building an AI infrastructure is a massive undertaking, hardware is selling at very high price. AI hardware demands larger space, increase in power consumption, cooling, and has skills gap that needs to fill in. This new hardware will also take large space in addition to storage, network and other existing CPU servers. It's false assumption that CPU based systems will go away or need to be refreshed. These provide great value for transactional workloads at better power, cooling, space, cost efficiency than GPUs.
With exponential rise in price to build AI datacenter, pricing the products will be challenging. It may take more than 5yrs to recover the cost and then need another refresh.
Yeap...it will take some time...but unless you see this company survive the next 10 years or more...the future can provide great potential. Don't forget this is a massive company with a great strucutre - GC
I bought it at $31 my next price point $24 $40 $60 ❤💎🖊📃
If the company doesnt make any profits next 4 years and then makes 20 billion lets say after that a year. Then you give it a multiple and multiply that by the 20bn. Lets say intel is set to make 20bn in fcf in 2027. What is the market paying for that? Industry average is 20-25 pe? I mean nvidia and amd are crazy like 40 pe or so. So lets say intel makes 20bn and the pe is 20 then u get to a 400bn valuation in 2027. This was just hypothetically btw. But if it were true it means u would 2,5* ur money by then. If they made 10bn fcf and the pe is 15 then it means the stock wouldnt move that much until 2027.
Intel is the biggest player in chips made in the safety of the USA
Well...it has some govs backing....but apart from the narrative the growth oppurtunity seems to fit with the fundamentals for the future 😉- GC
There wre times when you guys need to admmit you were wrong.
You have been talking on Intel for over 2 years. Yet, it did nothing.
Right now I am about breaking even with Intel (+0.50%). I am close to the industry and they are making the right moves, but it will be a while before it shows.
Agreed my man - GC
Update: After doing DCA and selling some stock I am right now almost +35% so yeah baby.
Intel is too risky at this point.
Fair enough....thanks for sharing - GC
I sold my Intel earlier this year, every time it went down I doubled down, and as soon it went green, like +1.3% I sold everything and moved to PYPL 💀😂 the stress is a constant on the market.
Great trading my man - GC
Intel trying to both design chips and be a foundry will be their downfall. No idea why Mo said Intels goal is to be a foundry for TSM. TSM is a foundry on its own and thats what they specialize in and they are light years ahead of Intel in that department. Maybe he meant to say Nvidia? Intel needs to stop spreading themselves thin and just pick one avenue to progress in. Not to mention TSM has massive foundrys being build it the USA and Europe at the moment.
Mo is literally in outer space. He asked the 100 bagger guy multiple ridiculous questions just because he wasn’t paying attention lol
@@m4758406 So you're saying Intel should just focus on being a foundry and not waste time and money trying to design chips and compete with Nvidia/AMD. Also TSMC will have massive plants in Germany and USA which offsets risks of slowdown due to earthquakes in taiwan etc
3rd
Nice one - GC
Down 36% from when it was last a buy.
Could have bought TSLA in the meantime and hedged with covered calls to actually make money, or just NVDA.
The first person to accurately predict the future will be a multi-trillionaire. Is it going to be you?
@@JayKay9112000 I did hold TSLA in the meantime and made money selling calls.
Stay clownish.
@@DerMeister821 since when,
2019, 2020, 2021, 2022? If you bought in 2021 you’d be down a lot more then these guys are down on Intel.
Intel P/E median for past 15 years is 13. Why in the next 10 years will have a higher P/E???
If the foundry business does take off it will fuel higher than historical growth levels.
You can have low, middle low and high assumption...if you believe it deserve a lower PE, feel free to analyse the stock as youy see fit. Paul explained the reational in the video - GC
When looking at all time high compared to now we should look at market cap then to now instead of price. Since issuing shares or buying back will effect that.
It will effect for sure...and we want them to buy back when the price of the shares is cheap - GC
Mo, didn't your mama ever tell you to keep your hand/fingers outcha mouth?
I think Intel valuation will rise by 2025 🖊📃🔋
Nvidia is completely over priced
NIO video please
Do you own NIO?
1st
Nice one - GC
Intel needs a better CEO
Ok...thanks for sharing - GC
you're forgetting another chip factory for 25b in israel, which has become the largest investment ever by a global private company in the country
Cool....thanks for the info Jordy - GC
there is literally nothing new from your other dozen videos on intel.
Nevertheless.....some very good pieces of information 😉- GC
Intel is a buy around $10
Intel is dead
AMD was dead a few years ago.
My blue zombie lives!
what do you mean by dead though?
@@albertma1 their reign is over as a market leader. Plain and simple. They'll never regain their market hold again
@@JohnEButton okay, I'd like hear more. You said plain and simple, do you mean when a market leader lost their market shares, they will never ever get it back? and forever? what timeframe if not? is that always true? no exception? regardless what they are/were?
Could somebody please explain me why on the low side of assumptions there is some hypothetical positive return even when the fair value is below the current price?? They always say “stay till the end we are going to explain all these numbers” but I have never seen an explanation on that even though that is the case in many videos
Could somebody please explain me why on the low side of assumptions there is some hypothetical positive return even when the fair value is below the current price?? They always say “stay till the end we are going to explain all these numbers” but I have never seen an explanation on that even though that is the case in many videos
It seems to me their forecasting model is wrong on the low side. This makes me doubt the values on the medium and high side too.
The forecasting model doesn’t say over what time frame the supposed percentage gain is over either. It could predict it will give you 20% but if takes 5 years to materialise then that is not a good return at present (vs inflation and other possible stocks that could give more).