My favourite secret life theory is that the canary curse wasn't actually disrupted, because lizzie never actually dies and is endlessly falling in the void! which is also why Scar kept getting the "win secret life" book, because he wasn't truly the last player left alive
I've also heard that theory! My favorite is that Jimmy passed on the Canary Curse to Martyn when he punched him at the start and onto Lizzie when he killed her and that's why she died first!
Now I finally understand all the lore so I can tortu- I mean, loredump to my dad about it! (Honestly, he legitimately likes hearing me loredump about the stuff I like, which makes me happy :) )
THIS is a theory worthy of MatPat himself. this was AMAZING and you explained it so well. thank you(also im kinda miffed i didnt know about this lore.)
This is just a THEORY aaaaaa Martyn THEORY! Lol sorry in all seriousness thank you so much!! Also don’t be annoyed at yourself for not knowing lore it took me forever to get into it too and the LS and HermitCraft as well :p
9:35 Irony of this is that I'm pretty sure she had to have voluntarily joined, because there's a TON of evidence suggesting that Gem is either a Watcher or equal to one. They might have put her in to keep an eye on people, which doesn't fit with the soul swap. Meaning she's likely the celestial being that was suggested in the Empirescraft crossover. Also with her superpower in that last WildLife session, what if that's actually her real powers? What if that's how she can simultaneously be a sun princess and an elf? Maybe also, that's how she soul swapped with Cleo. It makes sense that, because she had never been apart of Evo or the Life series, either Hermitcraft or just Gem's wanderings as a celestial being were how she was connected with the Listeners. Lizzie, being a Life member, makes sense, but Gem's an anomaly, unless you consider the possibility that she has otherworldly powers. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
There is theory about the lore of secret life. The reason Scar wasn't killed off was since Missy is still falling into the void. This also keeps the Canary Curse alive.
thanks so much for this vid! as a massive martyn lore enthiusiast it's great to have something i can easily show them to explain the lore rather than rambling on for an hour myself, and you summarised everything so well! (also for other ppl watching, post-wild life martyn clarified that jimmy wasn't rlly cursed, the watchers just liked his pain of being first out every time, so iirc tried to keep it that way for a while through influencing things like mob spawning, but eventually it just became something he'd be getting used to (and so something that wouldn't be as good a source of emotion), so they let that go. but yeah not a fault of the vid at all because that lore stream wasn't out yet)
Of course, thank you so much!! I am def planning on making another video addressing the Wild Life lore covering all of that in the hopefully-soon future! Btw I just want to say your Last Life musical is amazing so far (and you have a really good voice) and I'm very much looking forward to more songs!
Technically, why aren't we the watchers? We watch the lifers play, and we enjoy the drama that happens just like the watchers. We also created secret tasks in secret life (the ones recommended by the audience)
We *are* the watchers. That’s what was established in EVO SMP. When grian “became a watcher” in EVO it’s because he was quitting the series but would continue to watch the videos of the other people on the server.
Yes technically we are the Watchers! Grian had revealed that in Evo that the Watchers were representative of the audience. In the Life Series, we can still be seen as the Watchers, Martyn just played up our enjoyment of the series by making them appear evil.
4:17 So because the watchers picked who was the boogeyman each session, thats the reason why Grian has never been the boogey. Because hes a watcher. (Im so proud of myself)
Yes that makes a lot of sense! I can't remember if Martyn said this or I'm just making it up lol but I think its also partially because Grian was able to kill players while he was green in 3rd Life because it was "under Scar's orders" and he got a lot of joy and satisfaction out of it, that the Watchers didn't want to ever give that to him again.
I wonder how the lore will be updated for wild life... because I'm gonna be real, it didn't even feel like a 'watcher' created game... the players are having too much fun with the different wild cards for the watchers to feed. Grian even says "stop having fun! this is supposed to be a death game!"
what if its grian whos slowly having more control over the world?, maybe he added the wildcards to make the players have fun which pisses off the watchers if that makes sense
I'm also really wondering that! I completely agree, this season didn't really feel like a game that the Watchers created and I feel like Grian definitely seemed more Watcher-like and in control
Thanks sm for this! I'm using this for my life series/hermitcraft server so ppl know the actual name of Martyn's au 😭 Also, just an addition, Grian is the only one who doesn't have fragments since he's a watcher.
You’re welcome!!! When I first was getting into the lore I was also hoping to find a vid explaining all the lore but I couldn’t find one so I said “fine I’ll do it myself” lol
AHHHH thank you so so much for this video!!! Very very helpful, and ohhhh my god Lizzie and Joel being soulmates in every life so he recognizes her??? I will be thinking about that forever. AND SCAR. JESUS CHRIST. WHAT THE FUCK 😭 (Also also!! Love your editing, sense of humor, and your voice!! All quite lovely 💜)
Of course!!! Also ikr with Lizzie and Joel being soulmates it’s literally my favorite part of Martyn’s lore! Also Scar 😭 Thank you so much that’s really sweet 🥹❤!
@ yeah, and i understand that with that knowledge for example, Martyn(?) who also died in the void would be on a different number of lives etcetc Thanks so much for making this video, i really do want to get around to watching the real videos… but this was suuper helpful to answer my burning questions before i have time
@@Shortnamesareoverrated Yes Martyn was the one who also fell into the void :) Also I have no idea how I never thought about that before lol! Of course, thank you so much for watching!! I’m glad you enjoyed and i really hope u enjoy the actual vids when u get around to it!
OMG this video was so helpful! I wanted to research the Eyes & Ears AU for a Life Series project of mine and just as I was about to start RUclips recommended me this video. Thank you so much for your hard work and putting this together!
this vid is very informative, i had mostly been going off of bits on tumblr, lol, thanks for making this :D also your voice is very pretty and pleasant to listen to
Ahhh thank you for making this video!! I've been meaning to learn the lore for the longest time but I just never had the time or motivation to watch so many series haha. This was all very easy to understand and I can't wait to participate in the theories now thay I understand the lore, I hope you have a lovely day💗💗💗💗
That’s so sweet that your friend sent you MY video please tell them thx!! Also of course I’m glad I could help and I’m glad u enjoyed it so much!! ❤ (Also welcome to the fandom :)) And Tysm for the sub!!!
This helped a lot because I haven’t watched all the lore streams or EVO yet thank you!!! But some things don’t add up for me, so I heard from a friend who did watch them, Martyn mentions Character Martyn isn’t actually a Listener, he just works with them And irl Jimmy doesn’t remember becoming one, so does this mean Character Jimmy isn’t one? Or doesn’t remember being of the memory wipe? Also I watch one of the (eyes and ears streams) where Martyn says the Watchers put Lizzie in the game in Lim Life as Pearl to test her and see if she’s ready but the Listeners put her there to give Pearl a break- so that’s confusing And if Lizzie and Joel are soulmates always what about Double Life when Joel was soulbound to Etho or the one episode in Secret Life where Grian was soulmates with Joel? (My assumption is that this was probably a one sided link) Edit: Sorry if this is a lot, I don’t get to talk about lore often ^^
Of course! It’s not a lot seriously I also don’t get to talk about lore much and I love to when I can too! To answer your questions the best I can: Martyn has said in his streams that everyone is just a player (except Grian) so Jimmy and Martyn aren’t actually Listeners. Also I don’t remember Martyn saying anywhere that he is working for the Listeners, he and them just have the same negative opinion about the Watchers. For Lizzie in Limited Life I only heard from Martyn’s streams that the Listeners put her in to give Pearl a break, I’m pretty sure Martyn didn’t say anything about the Watchers putting her in to test her. Your Joel soulmate question is a really good one! I never thought about it in that way lol. I don’t exactly know, maybe Etho and Joel were just soulmates for Double Life because Lizzie wasn’t in that season? That’s my only guess honestly and I just love thinking of the fact that Lizzie and Joel are destined to be together in every universe bc they’re just soooo cute (and literally meant for each other irl)!!! Hopefully this helps and sorry for the late response! :p
Who said anything about Joel only having 1 soulmate? I mean, when I say "they're obsessed with eachother" it could be either Joel and Lizzie or Joel and Etho For Grian's, it was purely one sided (and he was forced to take damage but Joel wasn't)
Hi there! Just a tip: Whenever you're talking, don't have something else in the background unless it's instrumental music. When you put in the clip of Martyn's last two murders, the audio was jumbled and hard to understand. Good luck on future videos!
I have my own theory I thought of Soo what if gem is secretly a listener the season she joined (secret life) was the first time the canary curse was broken and in wild life he still wasn’t first out what if gem went against the watchers and set jimmy free from the canary curse even since it’s been causing chaos such as scar being tapped and just repetitively getting the win secret life task and the entire point of wild life is that every session there’s a new wild card which is literally a chaotic twist every session The body swapping was all part of the listeners plan to get a listener(gem) in the game so that they would be even since grian is a watcher The watchers would see gems potential and would have to add her to the game Gem also gets the ability to spectate in wild life which means she can talk to the dead players and so she could keep an eye on the watchers this was set up by the other listeners and martyn gets the ability to listen in on conversations so he can listen in on the listeners for the watchers And what if any of the winners that were in evo have connections to the watcher (Even if they don’t realize it) and gem found out about this after she died in secret life that’s why she has a hatred for pearl in wild life because of her connection to the watchers
I can see that, but I personally don't think it does. It was Martyn who came up with Scar getting forever trapped at the end of Secret Life but he didn't say too much about it in his Wild Life lore stream expect for the Watchers finally putting Scar back in the void right before Wild Life started after who knows how long. So he kinda did retcon what he originally said lol, so I see where you're coming from! My theory is that after Wild Life the Watchers did put Scar back in Secret Life and will keeping doing that after each game, never truly freeing him.
me before this vid: grian, jimmy, pearl = watchers jimmy, lizzie, 'sea'blings (every universe joel, lizzie soulmates martic listener canary curse me now: HUH???
My favourite secret life theory is that the canary curse wasn't actually disrupted, because lizzie never actually dies and is endlessly falling in the void! which is also why Scar kept getting the "win secret life" book, because he wasn't truly the last player left alive
THATS BRILLIANT
I've also heard that theory! My favorite is that Jimmy passed on the Canary Curse to Martyn when he punched him at the start and onto Lizzie when he killed her and that's why she died first!
Omg thats actually amazing
i had that exact same theory!! i'm actually writing a oneshot off of it!
@emberdusk1121 when is it due
“Canary call the first to fall” DAMNNNNNN
MARTYN SHOULD JOIN US OVER ON AO3 HES TALENTED LMAOOO
(As long as he doesnt look at fics about himself xD)
REAL lol
I love the line “ yeah I’m a start crying even though I wrote this whole spiel thanks, Martyn” it turned to sad moment very happy
Thank you! :)
Now I finally understand all the lore so I can tortu- I mean, loredump to my dad about it!
(Honestly, he legitimately likes hearing me loredump about the stuff I like, which makes me happy :) )
Lol who doesn’t love hearing about a good loredump? No but seriously that’s so sweet! Your dad sounds amazing!!! :)
@MINTSHADOWUURURUThat’s so real! I’ve already lore dumped to like two of my irl friends trying to get them into it 😅
THE LISTENERS PROTECTING THEIR BOY SQUEEEE
THIS is a theory worthy of MatPat himself. this was AMAZING and you explained it so well. thank you(also im kinda miffed i didnt know about this lore.)
This is just a THEORY aaaaaa Martyn THEORY! Lol sorry in all seriousness thank you so much!! Also don’t be annoyed at yourself for not knowing lore it took me forever to get into it too and the LS and HermitCraft as well :p
9:35 Irony of this is that I'm pretty sure she had to have voluntarily joined, because there's a TON of evidence suggesting that Gem is either a Watcher or equal to one. They might have put her in to keep an eye on people, which doesn't fit with the soul swap. Meaning she's likely the celestial being that was suggested in the Empirescraft crossover. Also with her superpower in that last WildLife session, what if that's actually her real powers? What if that's how she can simultaneously be a sun princess and an elf? Maybe also, that's how she soul swapped with Cleo. It makes sense that, because she had never been apart of Evo or the Life series, either Hermitcraft or just Gem's wanderings as a celestial being were how she was connected with the Listeners. Lizzie, being a Life member, makes sense, but Gem's an anomaly, unless you consider the possibility that she has otherworldly powers. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
Oooh! That's a really interesting theory!
@candy18a Ah, this isn't half of it. And don't get me started on Pearl!
@NightinLarkPLEASE START ON PEARL
There is theory about the lore of secret life. The reason Scar wasn't killed off was since Missy is still falling into the void. This also keeps the Canary Curse alive.
thanks so much for this vid! as a massive martyn lore enthiusiast it's great to have something i can easily show them to explain the lore rather than rambling on for an hour myself, and you summarised everything so well!
(also for other ppl watching, post-wild life martyn clarified that jimmy wasn't rlly cursed, the watchers just liked his pain of being first out every time, so iirc tried to keep it that way for a while through influencing things like mob spawning, but eventually it just became something he'd be getting used to (and so something that wouldn't be as good a source of emotion), so they let that go. but yeah not a fault of the vid at all because that lore stream wasn't out yet)
Of course, thank you so much!! I am def planning on making another video addressing the Wild Life lore covering all of that in the hopefully-soon future! Btw I just want to say your Last Life musical is amazing so far (and you have a really good voice) and I'm very much looking forward to more songs!
Technically, why aren't we the watchers?
We watch the lifers play, and we enjoy the drama that happens just like the watchers. We also created secret tasks in secret life (the ones recommended by the audience)
We *are* the watchers. That’s what was established in EVO SMP. When grian “became a watcher” in EVO it’s because he was quitting the series but would continue to watch the videos of the other people on the server.
Yes technically we are the Watchers! Grian had revealed that in Evo that the Watchers were representative of the audience. In the Life Series, we can still be seen as the Watchers, Martyn just played up our enjoyment of the series by making them appear evil.
@@candy18a We're canonically the First watchers, Grian is the third. The second one is up for interpretation, I think Pearl
4:17 So because the watchers picked who was the boogeyman each session, thats the reason why Grian has never been the boogey. Because hes a watcher. (Im so proud of myself)
Yes that makes a lot of sense! I can't remember if Martyn said this or I'm just making it up lol but I think its also partially because Grian was able to kill players while he was green in 3rd Life because it was "under Scar's orders" and he got a lot of joy and satisfaction out of it, that the Watchers didn't want to ever give that to him again.
I wonder how the lore will be updated for wild life... because I'm gonna be real, it didn't even feel like a 'watcher' created game... the players are having too much fun with the different wild cards for the watchers to feed. Grian even says "stop having fun! this is supposed to be a death game!"
When did he say that??
@@Fuzzysflip._ iirc quite early in the superpowers episode (before he tells about martyn's powers)
what if its grian whos slowly having more control over the world?, maybe he added the wildcards to make the players have fun which pisses off the watchers if that makes sense
I'm also really wondering that! I completely agree, this season didn't really feel like a game that the Watchers created and I feel like Grian definitely seemed more Watcher-like and in control
dude the scar bit is so sad 😭thanks for the video though, this explains a lot!
I know 😭 and of course I’m glad I could help!!
Thanks sm for this! I'm using this for my life series/hermitcraft server so ppl know the actual name of Martyn's au 😭
Also, just an addition, Grian is the only one who doesn't have fragments since he's a watcher.
Of course! I’m glad I could help! And yes Grian doesn’t have fragments bc he’s a Watcher ;)
THANK YOU you don’t know how long i’ve wanted a video on this 😭
You’re welcome!!! When I first was getting into the lore I was also hoping to find a vid explaining all the lore but I couldn’t find one so I said “fine I’ll do it myself” lol
AHHHH thank you so so much for this video!!! Very very helpful, and ohhhh my god Lizzie and Joel being soulmates in every life so he recognizes her??? I will be thinking about that forever. AND SCAR. JESUS CHRIST. WHAT THE FUCK 😭
(Also also!! Love your editing, sense of humor, and your voice!! All quite lovely 💜)
Of course!!! Also ikr with Lizzie and Joel being soulmates it’s literally my favorite part of Martyn’s lore! Also Scar 😭 Thank you so much that’s really sweet 🥹❤!
11:04 OMG I JUST GOT IT! THEY KEPT HIM BECAUSE LIZZIE WAS STILL ALIVE IN THE VOIDDDDDDDD
It is one popular theory! Tho specifically in Martyn's AU Lizzie actually did die first in the void. But I personally like the theory!
@ yeah, and i understand that with that knowledge for example, Martyn(?) who also died in the void would be on a different number of lives etcetc
Thanks so much for making this video, i really do want to get around to watching the real videos… but this was suuper helpful to answer my burning questions before i have time
@@Shortnamesareoverrated Yes Martyn was the one who also fell into the void :) Also I have no idea how I never thought about that before lol! Of course, thank you so much for watching!! I’m glad you enjoyed and i really hope u enjoy the actual vids when u get around to it!
And now we have Real Life and Wild Life
Yeppp and now I'm gonna have to make another video lol!
OMG this video was so helpful! I wanted to research the Eyes & Ears AU for a Life Series project of mine and just as I was about to start RUclips recommended me this video. Thank you so much for your hard work and putting this together!
Of course and thank you! I’m glad you were able to find my video so helpful and good luck with your project!!!
Thanks for this!! You did a good job with the vid. I was dying of laughter at!! 4:54. "Fineeeee"
Ofc!!! Tysm! I’m glad my narration was able to make you laugh! :)
this vid is very informative, i had mostly been going off of bits on tumblr, lol, thanks for making this :D
also your voice is very pretty and pleasant to listen to
Of course!! And tysm that's so sweet no one has ever complimented my voice before!!! :D
I only watch lizzies pov so hearing all this lore for the first time is amazing
Well thank you for watching :)
Ahhh thank you for making this video!! I've been meaning to learn the lore for the longest time but I just never had the time or motivation to watch so many series haha. This was all very easy to understand and I can't wait to participate in the theories now thay I understand the lore, I hope you have a lovely day💗💗💗💗
Of course thank you so much!!! I'm glad you were able to learn easily from my video! Enjoy the theories and I hope you also have a lovely day
Thx for this video, my friend sent it to me cuz she recently draged me I to the fandom and I Love this video❤❤
New sub !!
That’s so sweet that your friend sent you MY video please tell them thx!! Also of course I’m glad I could help and I’m glad u enjoyed it so much!! ❤ (Also welcome to the fandom :)) And Tysm for the sub!!!
@@candy18a ❤️❤️
I love your style of editing :). Keep it up, got a feeling you'll make it big!
Thank you so much!!! :')
This helped a lot because I haven’t watched all the lore streams or EVO yet thank you!!!
But some things don’t add up for me, so I heard from a friend who did watch them, Martyn mentions Character Martyn isn’t actually a Listener, he just works with them
And irl Jimmy doesn’t remember becoming one, so does this mean Character Jimmy isn’t one? Or doesn’t remember being of the memory wipe?
Also I watch one of the (eyes and ears streams) where Martyn says the Watchers put Lizzie in the game in Lim Life as Pearl to test her and see if she’s ready but the Listeners put her there to give Pearl a break- so that’s confusing
And if Lizzie and Joel are soulmates always what about Double Life when Joel was soulbound to Etho or the one episode in Secret Life where Grian was soulmates with Joel?
(My assumption is that this was probably a one sided link)
Edit: Sorry if this is a lot, I don’t get to talk about lore often ^^
Of course! It’s not a lot seriously I also don’t get to talk about lore much and I love to when I can too! To answer your questions the best I can:
Martyn has said in his streams that everyone is just a player (except Grian) so Jimmy and Martyn aren’t actually Listeners. Also I don’t remember Martyn saying anywhere that he is working for the Listeners, he and them just have the same negative opinion about the Watchers.
For Lizzie in Limited Life I only heard from Martyn’s streams that the Listeners put her in to give Pearl a break, I’m pretty sure Martyn didn’t say anything about the Watchers putting her in to test her.
Your Joel soulmate question is a really good one! I never thought about it in that way lol. I don’t exactly know, maybe Etho and Joel were just soulmates for Double Life because Lizzie wasn’t in that season? That’s my only guess honestly and I just love thinking of the fact that Lizzie and Joel are destined to be together in every universe bc they’re just soooo cute (and literally meant for each other irl)!!!
Hopefully this helps and sorry for the late response! :p
@@candy18a thanks for responding ^^
@@FayelleFae Of course! I’m glad I could help!!
Who said anything about Joel only having 1 soulmate?
I mean, when I say "they're obsessed with eachother" it could be either Joel and Lizzie or Joel and Etho
For Grian's, it was purely one sided (and he was forced to take damage but Joel wasn't)
Hi there!
Just a tip: Whenever you're talking, don't have something else in the background unless it's instrumental music. When you put in the clip of Martyn's last two murders, the audio was jumbled and hard to understand.
Good luck on future videos!
Hi! Thank you so much! I will definitely remember that for my next videos!
9:33 that seems like something Gem would say
I have my own theory I thought of
Soo what if gem is secretly a listener the season she joined (secret life) was the first time the canary curse was broken and in wild life he still wasn’t first out what if gem went against the watchers and set jimmy free from the canary curse even since it’s been causing chaos such as scar being tapped and just repetitively getting the win secret life task and the entire point of wild life is that every session there’s a new wild card which is literally a chaotic twist every session
The body swapping was all part of the listeners plan to get a listener(gem) in the game so that they would be even since grian is a watcher
The watchers would see gems potential and would have to add her to the game
Gem also gets the ability to spectate in wild life which means she can talk to the dead players and so she could keep an eye on the watchers this was set up by the other listeners and martyn gets the ability to listen in on conversations so he can listen in on the listeners for the watchers
And what if any of the winners that were in evo have connections to the watcher (Even if they don’t realize it) and gem found out about this after she died in secret life that’s why she has a hatred for pearl in wild life because of her connection to the watchers
Omg that's an amazing theory!!!
i love the editing! Great video!!!
Thank you so much!!! I'm so glad you enjoyed! :D
Thank you for explaining! I love reading watcher fanfics, but i fidnt know all the lore, esp the listeners. Thanks!!!!
Of course! I’m really glad I was able to help you!!! :)
thank you so much for explaining! That helped a lot!
Of course! I’m glad I could help! :)
Oh my god thank you
@@Chaos_Fantasy_Nerd Of course! :)
OKay, so i have learned the life series lore. But i want to know more about Lizzies lore.. whether canon or fanon
Thanks!
@@nanyabusinessxd881 Of course!!
I finished scars pov for the wild life series, i recommend that
I also have! I NEED to see how Martyn is going to add that to the lore!
I wonder how all this lore is going to end
Same!
Scars wild life pov makes a roadblock in this theory (I think)
I can see that, but I personally don't think it does. It was Martyn who came up with Scar getting forever trapped at the end of Secret Life but he didn't say too much about it in his Wild Life lore stream expect for the Watchers finally putting Scar back in the void right before Wild Life started after who knows how long. So he kinda did retcon what he originally said lol, so I see where you're coming from! My theory is that after Wild Life the Watchers did put Scar back in Secret Life and will keeping doing that after each game, never truly freeing him.
ehem, Grian on wild life mentioning the canary curse and killing jim saying "it was always meant to happend" uhhh./HELP
Yeppp his Watcher mode was definitely activated during Wild Life
@candy18a yeah, like, he went just, Jimmy killed em and he just "no you wont have fun anymore" i swear if in the Next Life series jim does first...
Dies*
Is there any new lore with wild life? This video was super helpful, thanks!
me before this vid: grian, jimmy, pearl = watchers
jimmy, lizzie, 'sea'blings (every universe
joel, lizzie soulmates
martic listener
canary curse
me now:
HUH???
sorry if i sound a bit obsessed but i NEED an update after wild life, scar is there but also not???
No you're completely fine! I also really need to see what Martyn's going to say about Scar!! I promise I will make another video explaining!
Are Geminitay by any chance?
I'm sorry I don't understand your question. Can you please rephrase?
@@candy18a They might be saying you sound like her? I thought you did a little at 9:32
@@suspikuousOoh maybe, thx! I didn’t realized I sounded like her at some point lol
@@candy18a yes yes, sorry that's what I meant lol. you do sound like her
@@ahmedalkhiary8882Oh ok lol!