How To Use Bow Warrior Monks - A Quick Unit Guide - Total War: Shogun 2
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- In this guide we'll take a look at the Bow Warrior Monk unit from Total War: Shogun 2. The premise is that the guide about the Bow Warrior Monk unit will be no more than two minutes long, so you'll be able to brush up your knowledge or learn something new, while you probably should be doing something else.
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It is also worth noting that in siege battles, bow warrior monks can engage most enemy archer units on the wall without fear of retaliation, and can bypass the defensive benefits of the arrow tower somewhat.
yup, but the enemy archers are still in cover, so you might end up wasting a bit more ammo.
@@TheVikingGeneral Depending on accuracy bonuses one can take about two samurai or ashigaru bow users when they are in cover without losing a single man, so arguably they do beater in sieges than in open field, since open field I think they die in two on one combat?
It was discovered that bow monks fire a different type of arrow in the coding. It is not entirely sure how it differs, but after testing, it shows that bow monks are more armor piercing than bow sams or ashigaru
Something I really like about the increased range is that it makes the CPU charge you from further away. These monks combined with a Yari wall and some cavalry for flanking have gotten me some surprising wins.
With bow monks you basically force the confrontation yes, that's what I find awesome about them too.
Nothing constructive, just saying i appriciate your work
It's also cool to see such an old game still has quite a following and discussions
Thank you! I think it goes to show how well polished this game is.
I think this game was arguably the best total war ever made.
It’s not perfect. But the clan system, and legendary difficulty is some of the best most challenging gameplay for any seasoned total war player.
It will literally force you to think smarter.
They don't really beat all other ranged units. The Daikyu Bow Samurai wins the 1v1 against Chosokabe Bow Warrior Monks (both not upgraded). A possible drawback that both these units have is that they cost 2 turns to recruit, while normal Bow Samurai train in 1 turn from the T3 archery dojo.
I personally LOVE bow monks but it's the main infantry line that allows those monks to shine by holding the line. So units with high melee defense and armor play better with support units like bows, matchlocks, and cavalry since they buy you time to either flank your opponent or riddle them with arrows. Naginata will likely be your go to unit for holding the line and your front runner to absorb missile fire.
The problem with going for the full nuke bow warrior monk is that you need way of the bow, essence of spirit, heaven and earth, AND chonindo. All these techs require a total of dozens upon dozens of turns, to the point that by the time you get access to gold accuracy bow warrior monks, the campaign is often basically decided. Going instead for silver is perfectly fine. I've never tried using them with base accuracy, but considering that their base accuracy is also insane, it might not even be necessary to recruit them from a crafts province. A holy site province will give them a huge amount of starting exp that effectively is accuracy bonus and other bonuses practically right away.
Yeah, that's true. But indeed, just their base accuracy alone is makes them pretty good. Also, it seems that archers have different arrow types, where bow monks get better at piercing/ignoring/reducing armour.
I completely forgot about the increased ranks! That would've been a nice addition, thank you for pointing that out!
@@TheVikingGeneral I've found the best way to recruit bow warrior monks is in a province with a holy site and an armoury. You honestly don't need the accuracy boosts because of how high their base accuracy is, and the extra levels also improve their reload skill and melee abilities.
Thank you for these vids, currently forcing my mate to watch em all!
Haha, hopefully he doesn't burn out on them. But thank you for your support! :)
Maaaan, that music is so immersive. I love these videos bro. You gotta keep this up! I can't wait till you move to other games. I suck so badly at Shogun so learning all these pretty obvious but things I wouldnt think of are greeaat!
Glad to be of service! Next games are probably going to be Warhammer and the Rome 1 remaster.
I'd have to imagine whittle works best in a monk heavy army. Considering that the navigate monks outclassed most units in morale AND have their own debuff, a monk army should be very good a causing most armies mass rout very quickly.
That indeed seems like a strong option. I'll have to try that out sometime!
Just mass bows
Keep up the great work!
Thank you, will do!
Very good videos, please keep doing it
Thank you, there is more to come. ;)
Thanks for the guide once again, they're generally better than bow samurai in my opinion but I've never known how to use their whistling arrows to route enemies or when.
Yeah, the only situation in which they fare worse is if they get in melee combat.
i rememeber trolling castle defenders with these in multiplayer back in 2011
Warrior monk units are my favorites.
Remember for any other Total War Players.
In Shogun 2, no units have shields. so Bow Units are very deadly even the most armored opponent without Wall cover or Forest Cover.
*With exception of Bow Ashigaru, they sucked even early game and only use when you don't have any other alternative.
Only in Shogun 2 It is plausible to have all Bows Army and still win against well-rounded army.
I don't know about that, if your army is mid game or late game, or even early and it notices most of your army is ranged, it will charge you. This is an exception in siege battles. If you siege them, they're sitting ducks.
@MrPathorn You should watch some video's from legendoftotalwar. It's the Warhammer game, but there are quite a few army compositions for multiple races where the entire army is just ranged. ;)
@Order_Truth_Involvement From my testing it seems that when you have 3 to 4 times the number of archers your enemy has, they will just charge immediately. The exact number depends on the quality of your troops, but doesn't count missile cav.
@@TheVikingGeneral thanks. Was this siege battles as well?
@@order_truth_involvement6135 No, I've rarely seen the AI actually sally out. I still don't know what exactly causes it.
Damn. I've been playing a lot of Sea of Thieves and TWWH2, but I'm lowkey thinking about re-downloading Shogun 2 and having another playthrough.
I'd only advise you to do if you have a lot of spare time on your hand. If you haven't played for a long time, you'll get sucked right back into it. :P
Hi...i really like Ur videos and i have a question....so when i recruit this monk archers i get only 50 in a squad while You have 100...what should i do to increase the numbers of archers?
It's in graphics settings of the game (yeah, not logical) under unit size. I play with ultra unit size.
Basically you line these guys up anywhere behind any melee troops and they'll kill and kill and kill.
I personally LOVE bow monks but it's the main infantry line that allows those monks to shine by holding the line. So units with high melee defense and armor play better with support units like bows, matchlocks, and cavalry since they buy you time to either flank your opponent or riddle them with arrows. Naginata will likely be your go to unit for holding the line and your front runner to absorb missile fire.
Meanest archers to ever grace tw
Eh, Warhammer and RTK have their fair share of deadly archers. But in those games ranged is generally your killing power anyway, so it's not really a fair comparison.
please do warhammer total war game, your vid are easy to digest🙏
Thanks for the compliment :). I first want to finish the regular units and the agents of shogun 2 before I start branching out. But warhammer is my next target, along with the Rome 1 remaster.
Comment for thé algo, cheers bruv!
If you want range these bad boys are your men!
"How To Use Bow Warrior Monks?" simple place them behind wall of spears in large numbers increase their accuracy and watch as their shred any enemy force in range
Is it just me or does it seem that the bow warrior monks are extremely underwhelming? I've done tests where they would fire onto different kinds of units on flat terrain and even at higher levels they'd be lucky to get more than 7% of an enemy unit dead per volley. There was some battles with I had them fire at close range into a blob of units and they only managed maybe 50 kills, well the melee units got many hundreds in the same span of time.
They are highly accurate. You need to target high value units to get the most out of them. Or at least make sure they're always shooting without having to retreat, like a machine gun kind of.
@@cole8834 true, but they are one of the most expensive units to n the game. I always wonder if three ashigaru or two samurai would be able to outperform two bow warrior monks
@@insaneweasel1 To tell the truth, one of my favorite "tricks" in multiplayer is to use 2 bow ash to kill my opponents bow monks. It works like a charm since the monks have low armor and numbers. The monks can't kill enough of my bow ash fast enough.
But, bow monks are very good at focusing down units if you can keep them from getting shot themselves. Not only that, but bow monk's arrows have a modifier which makes them more effective against armor than bow ash arrows.
@@cole8834 yeah multiplayer seems to have slightly different rules, and I never really got into that aspect of Shogun. In single player though I really think they could have had much lower upkeep without breaking the game.
>play useugi
>take Hitachi
>G
get starting 100 accuracy
I really want to know how to use matchlock please make it
It's on my to do list!
Bow spam is your jam
Its me or the unit size is different? In my game warrior monks have 100 men per unit and I play in the max unit size
100 men per unit is the size I have as well. Maybe there was some footage where the unit started after it lost some men already ;)
@@TheVikingGeneral i could swear i saw 160 but after revising the video I see that maybe im blind, sprry for taking away your time
@@agege04 Haha, no worries! A 6 and 0 can easily be mistaken, especially when clips are only a couple of seconds long and the numbers are small. ;)
Also, try capitalizing your titles. It'll just make the conformity a bit better.
Thank you, your advice has been awesome! Do you mean the entire title, or just parts of it?
@@TheVikingGeneral For example, "How To Use Bow Warrior Monks - A Quick Unit Guide - Total War: Shogun 2.
At least I think it looks better, or at least jus the Bow Warrior Monks. If you look at the side bar of videos, most of the time you see that that is how it is.
@@brre8673 Ah, yeah, that seems nice. I'll probably change them soon.
@@TheVikingGeneral :DD
i dont need STATS! lol what buildings do we need
its silly to me that the bows are so weak in melee.
That's the basic game balance. Archer beats infantry, infantry beats cavalry, and cavalry beats archer.