Yes! I picked up the Scale 965 recently (instead of the 950 because there was no stock) however they offered me the bike with the RockShox SID SL Select, the same stem and brakes of the 950 and it weights 12.1kg with pedals now. I will upgrade it to tubeless, full XT and MT800 disk brakes and surely it will weight ~11.7 kilograms. 🔥
I updated my 2018 Chisel today: the Judy went and now a Fox SC32 Grip 2020 does the job. 340 g less, better performance and progression. Always look for good second hand stuff! Paid almost 1/3 of the 2023 aequivalent (street price as relation point). So you can buy a budget bike and save money while upgrading. And imho the most important component for a Hardtail is the fork (then the brakes and after that the wheels).
The new Scale is nicer, you're absolutely right about geometry, but I wouldn't buy anything except 950 or 945 if I were to stay to aluminium frame. They're so poorly equiped for the money... I've got a Scale 950 and replaced the fork (which was already an entry level Fox) with a Sid Ultimate from another bike. I've put lighter, thinner tires and deore brakes (600 series)... and now, it rides like a real bike. But I was happening to have these components from other bikes... were I to buy them, I'd definitely blow my budget into the realm of some nice carbon bike.
I have the 1000 bucks Merida, and besides the steep head angle, which forces you to get a 51 offset fork just for stability it's an overall awesome choice. The solutions for the frame ports for cables alone are better than anything in the same price range, and it shows how much thought the designers have put in regarding ease of maintenance. The only thing I don't like is the matte black paint job which is a dirt and dust magnet and a hassle to keep clean.
My pic would be the BMC two stroke Al 1. Got mine to 24 pounds. Upgraded to the Reba 120mm fork hunt trail V2 wheels, XT brakes, GX drivetrain, reverb dropper post, Enve M6 carbon bar, Victoria Barzo tires and few other contact point upgrades. Bike is a beast.
Always love what you have to say about bicycles. Could be an unpopular opinion but the previous scale was the best looking ever in my view. Not a huge fan of the drop seat stays. Same with the TCX and TCR, my eyes prefer the pre-drop seat stays frames. Hello from Indianapolis!
I have a Merida big nine limited official price here is 1500 euro I paid around 1200 over a year ago and I saw promo on stock bikes now in a bikeshop for under 1000! Stock it weighs just over 13 kg with pedals. I got mine down to 11.7kg with a different set of wheels and tyres/saddle/brake discs and other small stuff. Still stock (heavy) 1x11deore drivetrain.and fork I bet if I change to a lighter drivetrain and fork it would be 11 kg or less But makes no sense the stock markhor is good and I even like the cheap tektro brakes not the nicest looking but I love the feel of them.
I have recently bought a fairly long hardtail with 65,5 hta. The descents in the Alps were sooooo scary with an old school XC bike. I am really curious about this new-school frame.
If in same Category? Ill pick giant XTC SLR 1 better components and brakes. the only downside is the fork which even in these bikes i would swap anyways
That's really heavy for a scott scale. My scott scale 710 plus weighs about 2kg less and it's a 2017 model, wide tyres as well. I've upgraded all the heavy parts on it over the years, carbon cranks, handlebar, stem, saddle, seatpost etc - but even then out the box I remember it being around 11.5-12kg. Strange how bikes are getting heavier!
Im not sure longer, slacker frames are what we need in XC. I got the BMC Twostroke AL in Medium (I'm 5'9). It has a similar geometry as the Scott Scale. It felt horrible to climb with the stock 60mm stem. The 67° head angle and long front center puts the wheel way too far in front meaning theres not enough weight on the front wheel. An 80mm stem improved the climbing feel but then compromised my ideal reach to the bars. Moving the saddle forward isnt possible as I dont want to compromise my pedalling position. I agree on downhills it feels very stable and confidence inspiring but for XC riding climbing capability is just as important. In the end I went with a Specialized Chisel and it rides perfectly. Its the ideal blend of progressive and traditional XC geometry IMO.
Funny I actually decided to get the BMC two stroke Al 1 over the chisel because of the same reason you didn’t like it. I prefer the progressive geometry and the slack HTA I even put a RS Reba 120mm fork slaking the HTA to around 66HTA but with the 42 mm offset fork, I have no trouble climbing at all not to mention my descending capability increased tremendously especially with the dropper post. Still have a 60mm stem on it. The only thing I didn’t get along with was the low stack height. Had to put on carbon enve 25mm rise bars. Now it’s perfect. I’m also the same height 5’9” with a medium frame. Moral of the story.. different strokes for different folks! I have no problems with my 24 pound BMC hardtail (with upgrades) and enjoy having the sexiest aluminum XC hardtail on the trails😏
@@joshuaallswang8016 I'm glad you enjoy the BMC. I wanted to like it so much. I got the AL Six and upgraded to a 100mm RS Reba RL and better wheels. I do think if I sized down to S I would have enjoyed the bike with it having a shorter front center. My chisel is size S and it climbs and descends really well. In the end I think Small bikes are my preference so it really comes down to bike fit. I will definitely keep an eye out for a size S TwoStroke AL frame in future!
I was expecting much lighter honestly, some XC guys would ride rice paper components if they could... My large Giant trance x 29" full suspension aluminium bike with not much upgrades weight 14.152 KG, to me it's super light, my other full sus is a dh bike 😂
I doubt it bro, my 2021 Trance 29 with tons of upgrades is 31-32 pounds and that’s light for a short travel aluminum FS Mountain Bike. Your almost stock trance X is probably closer to 34-35 pounds.
no surprise here,Scott,Trek and whatever american company was always more expensive than european brands although frames were very probably built in same factory not that they are bad,they are just shitty deal comparing others,they overcharge decades already
@ Scott was estsblished in 1959 by Ed Scott from Idaho,he was first using aluminium for ski pole Headquarters may be in Switzerland but it is very much american company with american mentality Not bad products at all but hopelessly overpriced
Yes! I picked up the Scale 965 recently (instead of the 950 because there was no stock) however they offered me the bike with the RockShox SID SL Select, the same stem and brakes of the 950 and it weights 12.1kg with pedals now. I will upgrade it to tubeless, full XT and MT800 disk brakes and surely it will weight ~11.7 kilograms. 🔥
I updated my 2018 Chisel today: the Judy went and now a Fox SC32 Grip 2020 does the job. 340 g less, better performance and progression. Always look for good second hand stuff! Paid almost 1/3 of the 2023 aequivalent (street price as relation point). So you can buy a budget bike and save money while upgrading.
And imho the most important component for a Hardtail is the fork (then the brakes and after that the wheels).
The new Scale is nicer, you're absolutely right about geometry, but I wouldn't buy anything except 950 or 945 if I were to stay to aluminium frame. They're so poorly equiped for the money...
I've got a Scale 950 and replaced the fork (which was already an entry level Fox) with a Sid Ultimate from another bike. I've put lighter, thinner tires and deore brakes (600 series)... and now, it rides like a real bike. But I was happening to have these components from other bikes... were I to buy them, I'd definitely blow my budget into the realm of some nice carbon bike.
I have the 1000 bucks Merida, and besides the steep head angle, which forces you to get a 51 offset fork just for stability it's an overall awesome choice. The solutions for the frame ports for cables alone are better than anything in the same price range, and it shows how much thought the designers have put in regarding ease of maintenance.
The only thing I don't like is the matte black paint job which is a dirt and dust magnet and a hassle to keep clean.
This video helped me a lot! 👌
Dany please do more livestreams! We miss the old days of the SB channel :)
Excellent, thanks!
My pic would be the BMC two stroke Al 1. Got mine to 24 pounds. Upgraded to the Reba 120mm fork hunt trail V2 wheels, XT brakes, GX drivetrain, reverb dropper post, Enve M6 carbon bar, Victoria Barzo tires and few other contact point upgrades. Bike is a beast.
Always love what you have to say about bicycles. Could be an unpopular opinion but the previous scale was the best looking ever in my view. Not a huge fan of the drop seat stays. Same with the TCX and TCR, my eyes prefer the pre-drop seat stays frames. Hello from Indianapolis!
I have a Merida big nine limited official price here is 1500 euro I paid around 1200 over a year ago and I saw promo on stock bikes now in a bikeshop for under 1000!
Stock it weighs just over 13 kg with pedals.
I got mine down to 11.7kg with a different set of wheels and tyres/saddle/brake discs and other small stuff.
Still stock (heavy) 1x11deore drivetrain.and fork
I bet if I change to a lighter drivetrain and fork it would be 11 kg or less
But makes no sense the stock markhor is good and I even like the cheap tektro brakes not the nicest looking but I love the feel of them.
I have recently bought a fairly long hardtail with 65,5 hta. The descents in the Alps were sooooo scary with an old school XC bike. I am really curious about this new-school frame.
The stock Judy lacks of correct lubrication. Once you do a proper service to it, it gets way better.
I have this Scale and I think is a great bike
It's not a bike it's a scale?
I think it's made by Scott?
Just joking 😂
It is. The "review" is just unfair.
Me too, the frame has potential, just upgrade the fork and go to tubeless and it will fly, bro 👌🏼
Surprised scale so heavy! Just bought full suspension spark and it’s 25 lbs(with xtr spd pedal).
If in same Category?
Ill pick giant XTC SLR 1
better components and brakes.
the only downside is the fork which even in these bikes i would swap anyways
That's really heavy for a scott scale.
My scott scale 710 plus weighs about 2kg less and it's a 2017 model, wide tyres as well. I've upgraded all the heavy parts on it over the years, carbon cranks, handlebar, stem, saddle, seatpost etc - but even then out the box I remember it being around 11.5-12kg. Strange how bikes are getting heavier!
Mine Cube Nature EXC 2019 weights 12,5Kg with pedals, two lights, bike computer and two water bottle cages. What do you think?
If aluminum impressive. If carbon not so much.
@@joshuaallswang8016 it’s aluminium. Size XL of 54cm
Im not sure longer, slacker frames are what we need in XC. I got the BMC Twostroke AL in Medium (I'm 5'9). It has a similar geometry as the Scott Scale. It felt horrible to climb with the stock 60mm stem. The 67° head angle and long front center puts the wheel way too far in front meaning theres not enough weight on the front wheel. An 80mm stem improved the climbing feel but then compromised my ideal reach to the bars. Moving the saddle forward isnt possible as I dont want to compromise my pedalling position. I agree on downhills it feels very stable and confidence inspiring but for XC riding climbing capability is just as important. In the end I went with a Specialized Chisel and it rides perfectly. Its the ideal blend of progressive and traditional XC geometry IMO.
Funny I actually decided to get the BMC two stroke Al 1 over the chisel because of the same reason you didn’t like it. I prefer the progressive geometry and the slack HTA I even put a RS Reba 120mm fork slaking the HTA to around 66HTA but with the 42 mm offset fork, I have no trouble climbing at all not to mention my descending capability increased tremendously especially with the dropper post. Still have a 60mm stem on it. The only thing I didn’t get along with was the low stack height. Had to put on carbon enve 25mm rise bars. Now it’s perfect. I’m also the same height 5’9” with a medium frame. Moral of the story.. different strokes for different folks! I have no problems with my 24 pound BMC hardtail (with upgrades) and enjoy having the sexiest aluminum XC hardtail on the trails😏
@@joshuaallswang8016 I'm glad you enjoy the BMC. I wanted to like it so much. I got the AL Six and upgraded to a 100mm RS Reba RL and better wheels. I do think if I sized down to S I would have enjoyed the bike with it having a shorter front center. My chisel is size S and it climbs and descends really well. In the end I think Small bikes are my preference so it really comes down to bike fit. I will definitely keep an eye out for a size S TwoStroke AL frame in future!
I upgraded my markhor with abs+ damper. Another wotld.
You should fit a sid and some proper wheels and cassette and see what you can reduce the weight to
I was expecting much lighter honestly, some XC guys would ride rice paper components if they could...
My large Giant trance x 29" full suspension aluminium bike with not much upgrades weight 14.152 KG, to me it's super light, my other full sus is a dh bike 😂
I doubt it bro, my 2021 Trance 29 with tons of upgrades is 31-32 pounds and that’s light for a short travel aluminum FS Mountain Bike. Your almost stock trance X is probably closer to 34-35 pounds.
Audio is low.
My 2018 Orbea Alma h20 with Rockshock Reba had a weight of 13 kg 1500 euro Price stock now it's somewhere round 11.6 kg weight maby more maby less
It is very quiet, something is not right with the audio.
13.09kg, not 13,9kg. Be aware.
no surprise here,Scott,Trek and whatever american company was always more expensive than european brands although frames were very probably built in same factory
not that they are bad,they are just shitty deal comparing others,they overcharge decades already
Scott is from Switzerland.
@ Scott was estsblished in 1959 by Ed Scott from Idaho,he was first using aluminium for ski pole
Headquarters may be in Switzerland but it is very much american company with american mentality
Not bad products at all but hopelessly overpriced
weight doesn't mean anything if u are good enough
Only if your downhilling.. everything else weight hinders.
Procaliber 6 is better 😎😎
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😂. Wow! My 2020 GT Verb weighs 34 lbs. I thought it was heavy. 😂