Why South Korea wants a tiny piece of Russia
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
- Russia is a country which has multiple border disputes with its neighbours, and soon there might be another one with a country which doesn’t technically have a border with Russia: South Korea. Subject of this developing territorial dispute is the former island known as Noktundo or No’ktundo (Ноктундо in Russian and 녹둔도 in Korean).
Since mediaeval times, Noktundo was a remote outpost of the Korean state (Chosen or Joeson). However, centuries later, when the Tuman river (or Tumen river) began changing its course, the island became permanently attached to the mainland which would become Russian territory in 1860 after the treaty of Aigun. Since then, the territory has been under Russian control - but recently voices calling for the return of Noktundo to South Korea are getting louder in the South Korean media and public.
In this video we’ll take a look at what this conflict is really all about, how it developed and what it means for the future of East Asian security politics - all through hopefully entertaining countryballs or polandballs.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
2:19 History
7:48 Current situation
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Sources:
Nianshen Song (2018) Making Borders in Modern East Asia: The Tumen River Demarcation, 1881-1919. Cambridge University Press.
Ivanov A. (2011) The problem of the Noktundo Island in the media in South Korea. Asia Pacific International Relations Study Center.
Byung Yool Ban (2010) The Formation and Changes of the Korean Village, Krasnoe Selo at the Mouth of the Tuman River in the Russian Maritime Province (Primorye).
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Do the Kuril Islands next!
Love your videos :)
한국은 나쁜 나라입니다. 한국은 북한의 핵 보유를 관철시켜서 장차 통일된 핵 보유국으로 가려는 야심을 가지고 있습니다. 이것을 연출과 기만을 통해 세계를 속이고 있습니다.
또한, 한국인들은 최악의 인종차별주의자들입니다. 우리 한국인들은 이중인격자들이 유독 많습니다. 또한 한국인들은 사회, 경제, 정치, 문화 등 모든 영역에서 갈라져 싸우며 서로를 비난하고 깎아내리며 상대방을 무참하게 짓밟고 괴롭힙니다. 이러한 나쁜 문화와 습관은 사람들을 미치고 지치고 최악의 스트레스 속에서 살게 만듭니다. 정말 많은 한국인들은 결코 좋은 사람들이 아닙니다. 인성과 인격적으로 절대 가까이 하고 싶은 사람들이 아닙니다. 한국 사회는 진정한 병든 국가와 병든 사회입니다.
그리고 한국은 진정한 자유민주주의 국가가 아닙니다. 우리는 사회, 경제, 정치 전반에 독재와 권위주의를 품고 있습니다.
이 모든 것이 인류의 공통 특성이라고요? 천만에!! 속지 마십시오. 한국인들이 유독 나쁜 기질을 가지고 있습니다. 우리 한국인들은 압니다.
이러한 사실들을 널리 퍼뜨려 주세요. 다수의 한국인들은 비난받아야 마땅합니다. 많은 한국인들은 악 그자체 입니다.
Makes sense, the U.S. got a piece of Moscow empire and its US biggest state today !
ps dont forget that 4 islands belong to Japan !
But is China
"Why South Korea wants a piece of Russia"
South Koreans: Wait we do?!?
exactly lol
That's it.
Just you wait, a good several decades of propaganda like this vid, and Koreans will be convinced that they want it 😂
@@biggusduckus6489 don't worry about it, we're not Chinese 🤣
@@biggusduckus6489 wow~ ⊙o⊙支那出生真滴多啊满地爬
I’m Korean and I have never heard about the territorial dispute between Russia. It was quite interesting
Same
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2017년 기준으로 고등학교 한국사 교과서에 나오는 내용이긴 해요..
When I was high schooler in 2017, this was taught in Korean history class.
녹둔도를 모름? 쯧쯧쯧 교포 2세임?
Koreans, this island will become yours, we feel you, In your case this islands means much more for you, so it would be fair to give it to you. The second point of this deal is beneficial for Russia, because sharing a border with S.Korea would be a fantastic idea for Russia, it's fascinating, that we could share border with Norway, Finland and South Korea at the same time. When mafia government will collapse, i don't think NK will collapse too, considering that they are singlehandedly supported by the pooh, so unfortunately, we will not have the longer border with you, but still, for normal democratic Russia there would be really no good reason to keep it to ourselves. So i hope in one day we will be able to cross our border with one step! ❤💙
Guys, this is not treated as a dispute in Korea. Koreans are interested in Mt. Baekdu and Dokdo Island.
Fun fact: korea population is interested in it because japan is also interested in it
@@friedtoaster4059 Fun fact: not really
Dokdo rock… that shit is not an island.
@@user-nf3kz9ee2n fun fact: korea doesnt want to lose
It is and it would give a lot of territory
Makes sense, the U.S. got a piece of Russia and its our biggest state
The suckers sold it..
@@kavorkaa Suckers?
@@kavorkaa they didn't want to they had to
@@kavorkaa They also don't want British Canada to have it
@@kaushlendrayadav7124 tough luck!
😂😂😂
I live in Primorsky Krai, the region where that Noktundo former island is. And i have never heard of this territorial dispute, nor from our mass media, nor from outside ones, nor from individuals living in my Krai or from South Korea, nor from politicians... It seems that this dispute is not critical and not that important.
You never heard of it, because Russia is actively suppressing these kind of dangerous ideas. Just see what the Russian government is doing in occupied Ukraine with the school curriculum.
@@hendrikdependrik1891 I know of Ukraine, i'm half ukrainian with big part of my family living in Kiev.
As for "supressing the ideas" - i heard of Kuril islands dispute almost every month, if not week, thanks to my geographical position, both from our mass media, japanese and western ones. I have access to western online press after all. And, well... This is really the first time i have heard of Noktundo, not even western press care about that question.
I'm Korean and have never heard of this dispute nor even the name of the land.
Because it's a pasive dispute, so will be reactivated just in very unsusual circumstances as like implosion of Russia
@@raulepure9840lol 😂
Really interesting video. Nokdundo (녹둔도) is not in the media much, as much as Dokdo (독도), but it does as you say, have a significant part in Korean history as part of the great admiral Yi Sun-Shin's early military career.
Korean history books are not credible. South Korea used to be a subsidiary of China. In modern times, it was a subsidiary of Japan. It is now a subsidiary of the United States. South Korea is a deformed country. South Koreans are also deformed
Which is interesting, given that Noktundo being rightfully part of Korea is pretty much indisputable, and it's much more historically important than Dokdo. Though the latter is a lot more valuable in the modern era, and South Korea is already in actual possession of it rather than needing to ask another nation to give it back.
Universe Korea
@@user-wr5he3hi1r if that was the case for getting it back, Russia would dam it and not let it form
Takeshima (Bamboo shoot islands) SK is illegally occupying are not Dokdo (single island) simply because they are two rocks or islands while Dokdo refers to one island.
It's a good day when Politics with Paint uploads, I'm now gonna watch it!
Image that russia gives that land to north korea to troll south korea
That doesn't make any sense, because SK claims whole Korean peninsula.
so IF Russia give it to NK, SK won't complain at all.
That's what I was thinking too lol
@Max_CSD Loradon не слышал про японских рыбаков и их браконьерство в арендной территории? Облагородят, ага. Везде люди примерно одинаковы, так что тут бабка надвое сказала.
That would be based
the only thing russia would gain out of that would be one less territorial dispute
this is essentially just give the dispute over to north korea to settle with south korea instead of dealing with it by themselves
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Superb video! I also appreciate how much you interact with your viewers.
Huh. As a korean, I never heard about it. Very interesting.
But... What about Mongolia???
@@leogura6580 what about mongolia ? The chinesè dispute there ?
그니까, 처음 들어보네…
벼룩의 간을 빼먹어라..땅도 넓은 나라가
왜 한국땅을 뺏냐? 진짜 너무하네 러시아
한국은 1cm도 뺏기지않을것이다..내가
실패하면 내 자식들이 찾아올것이다
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Your still staying home?
COVID ended 2 years ago
@@theunfunnychannel5567 I got Covid, I am quarantining myself
Get well soon!
@@Jamief1585 oh my bad
Thanks for this interesting topic! I've never heard about this small piece of land before watching your video.
Your countryball drawings are adorable. Great summarization!
In 2005 there was a demarcation of Russian-Chinese border, when control over a couple of islands on the Amur river with total area of 337 square kilometers was passed from Russia to China. The reason that was stated - to settle all border disagreements and to improve relations with China.
So I wouldn't say that passing control over such a small "island" is out of the question, but not in the current situation certainly.
Edit: since I keep getting replies about it - the phrase "not in current political situation" also includes the existence of two Koreas.
the problem lies within the 2020 "changes" to Russian constitution, which make it unlawful to give away any territory. unless these changes are revoked (and there's a good case for that in case any reformist/anti-Putin faction takes power, because 2020 "vote" (it should've been a referendum btw) is pretty much a sham, not even counting voter fraud) the current Russian government can just raise their hands and say "no can do, look at our constitution"
Giving it to SK would be problematic and create a diplomatic crisis with NK
Well,those islands were litteral pain in the ass due to changes in the course of the river. There have even been border conflicts in 50-s and later.
And half of them rigth now sunk. Happened before,they will re-emmerge later.
Also as long as South Korea remains a staunch US ally, that will never happen since it will mean US troops potentially being placed there. Just like how Russia has closed down any further negotiations with Japan over the Kuril Islands, due to Japan's foreign policy being simply an extension of US foreign policy.
South korea is puppet of USA, USA won't waste any time they would immediately deploy THAD missile near to russia china border .
What would S.Korea do with that land? Yes it was Korean territory but there's no way to claim it today and it is not considered as "disputed" territory. Same with Taiwan officially claiming Baekdu mountain. They claim it was given to them by japanese during their occupation of Korea but they don't dispute it as there's no way for them to occupy it.
Korea would rather dispute Dae-Ma-Do.
If DPRK were to strike a deal with Russia now it'd be quite the coup.
I’m Korean and we do not even know about this bro. lmao. I’m sure where this guy the idea but I’m telling u. This is BS 😂 And bro just cill. We don’t want Daemado. We acknowledge that the land belongs to Japan.
@@yongdol73 영어가 안되면 그냥 한글로 하세요. Bro 쓴다고 영어 잘하는거처럼 보이는거 아닙니다. 대마도를 주장한다는게 아니라 녹둔도를 주장하는게 대마도 주장하는것만큼 어이없는거란 말이었습니다.
차라리 대마도 점령하는게 확률이 더 높다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Imagine thinking you're smart because you watched some history videos
god you are consistently great in your content, ily
Excellent video
I love how processes from geography likes to screw up our feeble human ideas of (natural)borders. Just like what goes on in Europe with Croatia and Serbia (I think)
Yes but our dispute is about more valuable land. There is a city of Apatin on disputed territory while Noktundu is not inhabited.
Almost like killing people over imaginary lines on the ground is silly or something.
@@AngryDuck79 Almost like killing people is silly in general.
@@AngryDuck79 I will die for Serbia. If "Developed world" deems it stupid to die over land, they should leave Kosovo well enough alone.
@@abhabh6896 You only have one worldly life and will throw it away for inanimate objects. pathetic
2000년대 대한민국 정규 교육과정에서 국사를 배웠지만 녹둔도라는 지명 자체가 생소하네요. 물론 이 분쟁을 공론화 하고 싶지 않았던 정부의 지침이 있었던 것인지도 모르겠지만, 독도와 이어도 이슈에 비해선 무게감이 떨어지는게 사실이죠.
이순신의 유일한 패배인 녹둔도 전투는 꽤 유명해요. 뭐 그 전투 이후에 복수에 성공하기는 했지만요.
녹둔도를 몰라. 공부해 인마
니가 무식한거지
@@gallasebiyo4427 병력 보강 요청을 무시한 위 상부의 묵살로 어쩔 수 없이 당한 패배로 중과부적의 패배임!
@@candleproducer3106 근데 대다수가 그 위치를 모르고 있는지도 모르는 땅으로 인식되고 있는데, 결국 그와 관련된 영상 미디어가 불멸의 이순신 하나밖에 없다 보니 더욱 그런 거 아닐까요? 저도 어릴 적에 불멸의 이순신 재미있게 봤었는데 기억엔 하나도 남지 못했고, 이후에 역사 매니아들이 불멸의 이순신을 고증이 없는 사극으로서 욕을 엄청 해서 요즘엔 많이 저평가되고 있는 게 아닌가 싶네요. 더군다나 저 같은 경우에는 문이과가 나누어져 있고 수능 탐구영역 3개씩 보던 세대였는데(2012학년 수능) 1학년 때 한국사에서 녹둔도 언급이 없었습니다. 이후 2학년부턴 이과로 넘어가서는 문과 한국사에서 더 나왔는지는 알 수가 없으니 최근 문이과 나누는 게 사라지게 되면서 모두가 국사를 배우게 된 뒤로부터는 10년 차이나는 세대보다 더 자세히 알 수가 없죠…
I already know this but is underrated topic
I find your videos strangely calming
Man!! You are a legend!!!!!!
I hope next video you will discuss the conflict between Georgia and Russia
Your definitely gonna make it big
You had me giggle at the NFT scammers. A well deserved like.
녹둔도 영상을 한국유튜브가 아니라 외국유튜브에서 볼 줄은 몰랐네요. 사실 녹둔도는 영토로써의 가치 보다는 한국인들의 이순신에 대한 마음이 더 크기 때문에 그냥 녹둔도 자체를 이순신기념공원으로 만들어도 별 문제 없을 겁니다.
your chanell is very underrated...
이순신 장군이 여기서도 싸웠다는걸 외국 유투버를 통해 처음 알았다...
Very interesting topic, I love how your channel always presents this kind of things in an interesting manner.
As for the issue itself: never going to happen as the can of worms will be greater than that of Russia or South Korea.
By the same logic Germany can ask both Poland and Russia to return all the land to Kaliningrad with the city itself to them as it was historically great German land and city.
Furthermore, Russia (even under sanctions) is still a powerful military and political force. Add to that the North Korean agreement that the land is now Russian and you get quite the impossible situation.
But the bottom line: as long as everyone has access to the land in question there is no issue as everyone can visit it at any time.
russia offered kaliningrad in 1992 to germany and they refused to take it back you know.
@@SapFeaRon Germany accepting Kaliningrad would have been a huge mistake, that would destabilize a recently unified Germany. Now Germany has to accept a bunch of Russians and make them citizens, while already still dealing with millions of east Germans from 2 years ago.
Why not have England ask the USA to return all the land east of the Mississippi river? rofl
@@mrbisshie they also offered it to Lithuania but they refused as well
Since if they did take it. It would’ve made Lithuanian a over 1/4 ethnically Russian
@@TheKing-uu7jn i cant find any information about these offers, did Russia offer Moscow to poles also?
설명 잘하시네요
구독합니다
"Somewhere between 4-12 Vaticans" Uhhh, excuse me. For your American viewers, could you please put this in terms of either Football Stadiums, or Large Pepperoni Pizzas? That would help us out immensely.
Dokdo seems to be similar in its symbolic value, because I remember seeing this video repeat on the Seoul metro showing proof of documents affirming South Korea as rightful controller of the Island. I have no idea the value of such islands, militarilly i could see it, but i thought it was interesting to bring up.
The value probably has more to do with EEZs and the control over surrounding resources like fish, natural resources.
I'm Korean and have never heard of this dispute with Russia nor even the name of the land, Nokdundo. Dokdo is a different story though.
@@kgjung2310 ah i see, thank you for telling me!
@@Michael_Wurster Since korea was one country on 14 century if this part has to be claimed to korea it should be to the north because 38 degree divide north and south. This will not happen since US will not return the land to the native Americans
@@facelessgod-kg7xk That’s ridiculous because both Koreas claim the whole penninsula and every single islands. 38th parallel was just a temporal border between north and south after the independence and before the war. It doesn’t give any justification to any territorial dispute today
thanks a lot for bring up this issue again. Btw, the picture you show as Admiral Yi Sunshin doesn't seem to be him. it looks more like Chingiz Khan
If this is really a contentious issue for South Korea, I have to wonder why the very first course of action isn't negotiating "Russia, Can we buy this exact plot of land from you for X money?" If it's not particularly valuable to Russia, then I'm sure there IS a price that would be acceptable. That price might be exceedingly expensive, but if SK wanted the land because its important to them (and not just because they "might" get it for free, which objectively speaking IS probably the actual reason, not to be a Korea-hater) then that transaction should theoretically still be favorable to both sides.
yes, everything has a price, and Russia has sold territories more than once
But then it will be necessary to simultaneously buy out the territory from both North Korea and China, i.e. cajole them.
China owes money to Korea for giving this land away to Russia.
Your background music is giving me Sam O’Nella flashbacks.
Even at the time of the Sino-Russian border conflicts, Russia and Joseon fought in what is now Река Амур.
It's called '나선정벌' in Korean.
East Asian geopolitics: GIVE ME LAND, REEEEEEEE
siding with russia in this
There are border disputes all over the place. Japan has a border dispute with Russia dating from the end of WW-II.
2:03
Umm yea I did hear about it in our history class and sure it is technically disputed on paper, but if we stick to technicality Japan is still at war with the Russians. I don't think Koreans will start a border dispute over a river island unlike China did with the Soviets. At least as long as South Korea stays "South" Korea. Good video though
The "Buy My NFT" ball cracked me up
In fact, the reason why many South Koreans are indifferent to the issue is that the land is currently under North Korea's control. If it was the land of South Korea now, Koreans would have been very interested.
Also it is a tiny piece of land that went under Russian control in 1860... The modern Korea was founded after WWII...
@@larshofler8298 it was part of Korea since ancient times, 1860s isn't far away.
@@crusaderforchrist8430 And Korea was part of China in ancient times... Lol
@@larshofler8298 Korea was an ally with China, but never a part of it. Don't make your fantasy true.
@@user-nt8qg5tx7x Korea was a tributary state of Ming that adopted Ming customs for the government and the royal affairs. The King of Korea held the Ming title of Prince.
Also, in Russian law it is LITERALLY illegal to ever succeed territory to another country. That alone would put the matter out of the question as an excuse for Russia to refuse to even discuss the issue.
Yes, it's only legal to steal land through espionage and genocide!
Tell that to our oligarch rulers. They are eager to sell people themselves, not only land.
@@KOTYAR1 all countries are ruled by Oligarchs.
All these Korean conglomerates. Who do you think run these corporations.
All Oligarchs and the Korean government lives to protect their power.
The difference is that when Oligarchs get out of line in Russia, Putin makes them go swim with the fishes and makes them become one with the Universe.
The territory is extremely insignificant if South Korea abandons the alliance with the United States
And we will start negotiations with China and Russia, and make a U-turn in its favor.
This will instantly lead to a breakthrough in relations, and then this territory can even be transferred free of charge or even connect both Koreas.
This will affect the standard of living, and the economy is very strong, yes.
But choosing in favor, giving up freedom, for the sake of the strength of the nation, this is what great nations do.
75 million United Korea, I think it will be a very serious country.
And then it will be possible to claim not only revenge for the massacre of Koreans from Japan, or put up with the rejection of the Japanese islands.
And already claim the annexation of Japan.
That's not 100% correct. Our law says that exceptions are possible in case of delimitation or demarcation of the border with a neighborhood countries. So, it is not strictly forbidden to cede some land if the goverment wants to do it. The quote in Russian:
Действия (за исключением делимитации, демаркации, редемаркации государственной границы Российской Федерации с сопредельными государствами), направленные на отчуждение части территории Российской Федерации, а также призывы к таким действиям не допускаются.
Will you cover the Georgian Civil War?
Too boring, everybody knows that
In the first place, Korea and China have never denied the sovereignty of Russia's Primorye region.
However, living in Seoul, I've never met anyone who talks about Noktundo. I think that if a unified Korea get territory beyond the Tuman River, it will be more difficult to defend our borders...
The Qing also held Kachin and Arunachal Pradesh
와 녹둔도를 설명하시는 분이 있네
If you look a little back in history you might find out that Taejo of Joseon was unable take over all of Goryo (Koryo) and it's people were (are?) not even considered to be Koreans by the "proper, non-barbaric" Koreans despite having practically the same language and culture.
So you can theoretically fit a third Korea north of North Korea. History can be a little mind-blowing sometimes.
meh. there are plenty of "koreas" even the south was once two kingdoms. hell the tang once owned directly 75% of the current korean peninsula. the korean-chinese people in china today is pretty much hated by the south korean government, because those people are some of the most pro-china chinese citizens anywhere, they will even sing and chant for china in korean-chinese sport matches, much to the annoyance of the south korean government.
@@mxn1948 not sure how reliable your opinion is, seeing as you've been shitting on South Korea throughout the comments section
@@inkhwon what do you mean?? I only said sk has a daddy it has to answer to so Russia cannot make these kind of major deals without the daddy saying yes also. The daddy is of course the us. And I provided evidence, with the us pressuring sk to limit cooperation with china and demanding Samsung not fill voids left by micron, so complies even though Samsung had publicly stated they didn't want to and have protested against us demands of giving up it's data to the us government, yet at the end of the day they still do whatever the us says. What part of what I said there isn't true?
Korea could claim vastly more land than that on a historical basis. Korea had control of a considerable portion of the area North of the Yalu River at several points in time.
That's why China is doing that historical revisionist project to erase ancient Korean history in Manchuria including Koguryeo. Because they can only think in the way they themselves think: that we Koreans will somehow try to claim that land, but Koreans are not cr4zy nor do we have interest or power to actually take over Chinese Northeast. CCP has more political reasons to do that historical revisionism mainly: in case North Korea collapses and possibly get absorbed by South Korea. They need every justification to control the North due to US army presence in the South, which will want to take part in whatever happens in the North. Its a hairy situation that not many outside Korea and Chinese top knows.
As a Korean, never even heard about this issue and so does every single person out there except who aren’t nuts in to these kind of things
Lol u Koreans think that you can win a war with Russia??? Literally? In which world are you living??
@@anil78985 I think the "aren't" is a typo. He meant "As a Korean, never even heard about this issue and so does every single person out there except those who are nuts into this kind of thing."
@@yin6287 Korea is nothing in front of Russia China North Korea They are just a vassal state of USA still too much arrogant people live in Korea. I hope there is a nuclear strike on Seoul and Busan.
@@yin6287 one more racist Korean
@@anil78985 Considering the Russia-Ukraine war, I think North Korea can win a war with Russia.
Make a video about Japan territorial disputes with every its neighbors
that's all well and good but are there any people actually living on the 'island' today?
First of all, Thank you for your amazing video.
Im Korean. And we don't need that island that much. South Korea have good relationship with Russia. And i don't think it is necessary to risk national security for that dead land. Probably Russia wants peace and good relationship with South Korea as well.
We already have Chinese communists. No more enemy!
Hope Russia will give this island to RK back, after Putin will done.
enemy of Chinese? you people? plastic K? come on.....even North Korean can beat you up several times🤣
@@jkc3738 China is not that strong country lol And North Korea is not even a country who can survive themselves lol
@@jkc3738 Just let Manchus, Mongols, Tibet and Uyghur get liberated. They are not belong to China
@@seoul_louis9584 North Korea is not a country....but you r..? your american papa won't agree ...🤣What kind of country is still occupied by a foreign force?..your plastic army doesn't even have command on your own in wartime...let you people do what you people do their best. . just make a puppet state...of Chinese..Japanese...Americans ...just like old time🤣
If South Korea would try to claim Noktundo than North Korea would also be angry at South K. for claiming a former territory that wasn't even bordered
we are same people, no such thing as north or south koreans.
@@crusaderforchrist8430 I'm talking about COUNTRIES! Not nationalities!
@@user-Erimej This is why NK never contest SK claim on Dokdo. The same would apply to what you said.
@@crusaderforchrist8430 I mean, it's already very hard enough to reunite Korea do to the legacy of The Cold War. But a contested claim on one of North Korea's neighbors? North Korea would HATE see South Korea blocking a neighbor who had resolved a dispute for a long time ago
@@user-Erimej It's only hard because of Kim regime is legit gov't of North Korea.
Get in line, Korea.
4:19 "Buy my NFT."
Nice one.
Everybody wants piece of Russia
@@ghgggx USA doesn't want
@@ghgggxthey can't even invade it
I like how "Korean unification scenario" excludes years long bloodbath and possibility of "Korean unification" under North Korea
오늘 녹툰도를 처음 알았어요
Is this video asking for a Noktundo Switch?
Jurchens finished ages before the hero.
That what she said
If this ever happened I think we would get a situation similar to the West German embassy in Vienna in the late 80’s. So many North Koreans would swim over to the island and claim asylum in the south.
Probably would
If Russia wanted to mess with North and South Korea, selling the territory to South Korea could be an amusing way to mess with North and South Korea. North Korea would flip out if they suddenly had South Korea to the north of them.
Good Point.
I never thought of that.
But why would Russia give the Island to South Korea, when she could give it to NORTH Korea?
@@rdelrosso1973 Because South Korea would pay more. It'd cost stability issues in the area for South Korea, North Korea, China, Japan, and America to deal with. Also, it'd be funny.
The scamming NFT guys was a nice touch
Noktundo means Noktun island, so Noktundo island translates as Noktun island island
녹둔도를 다뤄 준 채널에 감사합니다. 녹둔도 뿐 아니라 간도의 일부도 힘으로 러시아가 청나라로부터 뺏은 땅일 뿐이고 녹둔도의 실질적 주인인 조선의 의사와 무관하게 진행된 역사적 사건의 하나일 뿐이다! 그 논리와 상황처럼 원하면 힘을 길러 다시 뺐으면 그만이다! 한국이 그 땅을 다시찾을 역사적 당위성과 근거는 넘친다.다만 힘이 미치지 못할뿐이다.
Nah we won and take those island now it's ours 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺💪💪💪
They could probably trade 1 pack of Dosirak noodles for a piece of land the same size as the paper lid.
Special operation on Deyachtization of san ferdando yacht club
Only if it's Doshirak Red
Crazy how you spread 30 seconds of content into a 10 min video
nice music
South Korea: - Wha? Noktundo? the fuck with that////
USA" - You need that, that serve my..i mean our advantage/
South Korea: Okay then.
North Korea: Are u insane?
The Sam o nella music in the background😭
One day he shall return
@@PoliticswithPaint say the prayer once more brother😭🙏🏻
@@TurboAutist-sg7lo he still exists, he's just simply called "bluejay" nowadays
I am Korean. Nokdundo is not very helpful, and I think it's better to make concessions in consideration of the relationship between South Korea and Russia because North Korea has already signed an agreement with the Soviet Union in the past
독도에는 ㅈㄹ하믄서 러시아는 걍양보?
I couldn’t pay attention after 1:54 because I kept hearing Sam O’nella’s intro 😂
Germany had a similar situation where the Eastern Bloc country ceded territories to the USSR (technically Poland, but since it also ceded to the USSR it was a Soviet net gain), but nothing ever came of it as the West German government realized that it was de facto lost and abandoned its claims over it as part of its reconciliation policies. I don't think the situation is any different here.
Just have joint custody with a 4 month rotation of ownership of Noktundo. Jan - Apr is North Korea, May - Aug is Russia and Sept - Dec is South Korea's turn.
@Eesti mees Hey, it worked with a small uninhabited island in the middle of a river, maybe it'd work here
How about it just stays Russian as it is?
What is the writing script used in your name?
As a Chinese, the Noktundo is a pain which we lost the way to the Japan sea. Even though it is not far walking to.
@@goddammitthey could claim the lands north of noktundo if Russia collapses though.
do you have a discord server?
Can someone explain the border dispute between Estonia and Russia ?
Arent the Korean dynasty's capitals been in north korea ?
Even by claims it will go to North Korea. This like ignoring NorthKorea Main quest and hitting side quest
Seoul was the main capital of Korean kingdoms j think & Pyeongyang was secknd
@@ebonymaw8457 Both have been the capital in different eras
@@KungKras yes. But Seoul was capital more times I think
This kind of reminds me of Königsberg/Kaliningrad, an area with cultural significance to one country that Russia wants, although Kaliningrad's whole thing is settled.
Yeah Germany has renounce all claims to that exclave. One of the big reasons why they don't want it back is because while the area does have important cultural history to it, the place itself is no longer German.
you are greatly mistaken if you think that for Russia, East Prussia does not play a role.
This is a huge cultural and historical layer.
And one of the most shameful victories of the Russian Empire under Emperor Paul III
Who, after the seizure of territories and a 7-year war, gave the entire completely occupied territory back to the local king, whom he admired
@@ApersonIguess-rb6fu True. The area is more trouble than it's worth. But strategically having a Russian enclave so close by is not a good idea. Maybe even Poland could buy it.
@@ApersonIguess-rb6fuyeah, and there are not many cultural places left anymore (cause of the Soviets). Kaliningrad/Konigsberg right now is similar to average Russian city.
Russia had offered it back to current Lithuania which was but they didn’t want the expense of the country. This was back in 60s when kalingrad was more burdensome than strategic out post. Poland and lithounia were part of Russian satellite states. When a Cold War suddenly became warmer kalingrad took on new strategic importance. It’s on allied Atlantic command planning list. And is most fortified piece of land in world. It’s a no fly zone with its three tiered anti air system and the Particulary s550 discovers stealth air craft. They have nuclear weapeansxpointed st every European capital should something hit kalingrad why nonone in a rush to attack Russia. From Lisbon Madrid to London Paris and Berlin all are reachable in two minutes. No one in a rush to endcupnlookingblikecukrsine. They been through this previously. You regroup and level every thing in thier path with artillery literally. You don’t bother them they don’t bother you. And each spheres of influence.
I'm SKorean but I doubt what's the thumbnail?!
strange and never heard of that claim.
Meanwhile China: This was forever mine.
이미 녹둔도는 러시아의 땅입니다. 한국에게는 권한이 없다고 생각합니다.
너나 잘해
믿거 애니프사
@@user-ok8qi9wy8w 눈꼬리도 사시냐 이게 어디 봐서 애니냐 ㅋㅋ 제대로 조사좀 하고 이야기좀 ㅎㅎ
@@j57ugff 그렇게 보이는 거지 ㅋㅋ 제대로 조사도 안해보고 비난 하는건 허위 글 이지 ㅎㅎ
Because Korea isn't unified to voice that those are their lands and North Korea still needs Russia as sponsor more then it needs to renew the claim to those territories out loud?
It is advantageous for North Korea to have at least a small but common border with Russia, because it will always be able to get help through it if it is needed and Russia decides to provide it and vice versa.North Korea can provide labor for the restoration of Donbass and the liberated regions, and Russia can send wheat and oil to North Korea.This is beneficial for both countries. Russia will always support North Korea, including with military might. while the US is present in the Asian region and has military bases in South Korea and Japan.Russian Russians and Anglo-Saxons will always be enemies now and in the future, regardless of the system (communism, monarchy or democracy, there is hatred on the ethnic principle between Russians and all Anglo-Saxons).
@@user-dl3nc4jx7k а под освобождённым регионом имеется ввиду Краснодар или что? И ла, спасибо что заранее думаете о репарациях и восстановлении Донбаса, хотя странно, что вы хотите переложить ответственность на Северную Корею...
P.S.: как там яйцо коммунизма под Кремлем, еще не проклюнулось? Может таки разок Капитал прочитаете сами, а?;)
@@TheArklyte вы глупый человек, если думаете что ядерная держава может проиграть этого не будет, это при том что на Украине не воюет и 20% армии мирного времени,в России не было мобилизации, недострану Украину уничтожат в любом случае, это уже вопрос решенный такой страны не будет на картах мира, вы виноваты сами, ну а сколько укронацистов уничтожат ВС РФ миллион . два или больше не имеет значения. запад будет воевать до последнего украинца, а нам россиянам украинцы и не нужны чем вас меньше тем лучше, будут жить только русские
@@user-dl3nc4jx7k скопируй свой коммент, а потом сравни с речами Геббельса про славян. Что же до того, что случиться. Я думаю мы оба будем диви еще лет через 5 минимум. Поэтому я пожелаю тебе запомнить этот момент и хорошего тебе здоровья. А там уж посмотрим, как история рассудит и кто по реке проплывет.
П.С.: украинец бы говорил с тобой по украински, а не унижался... хотя скорее бы не говорил вовсе \/(-_-)\/ И да, ты книжку то прочитай. Хотя вы их сжигать предпочитаете...
They should probably worry about the North before fighting Russia.
What's to stop North Korea from claiming Noktundo?
I am Russian. I have lots of South Korean very good friends for years. Neither me nor them ever heard about this problem. Please, be more responsible with your work. And do not try to make artificial problems out of nothing.
Imperialist scum
It's Russian
Оформить безвиз между странами и строить туризм на базе важной для корейцев территории. Разумно и полезно для всех сторон
As a Russian living in the region, it seems to me that you are exaggerating on this point. Despite the sanctions, the Russians and South Koreans get along just fine. First of all, Japan is not disputing all of the Kurils, but only the southern part. And when I was on Iturup, I didn't notice any desire among the residents to become part of Japan. So I think that all the disputes in our region are greatly exaggerated. It seems to me that such a notion as historical territory cannot be the basis for redrawing maps, as it would bring blood and suffering to people living now, not to those who lived once. Besides, Japan has no historical justification for these territories, since Japan was an empire like Russia, and Russia simply managed to be the first to join the Kurils.
I am an adult who received a regular school education in Korea and did not major in history. I remember reading in the late 1990s, in a Korean history magazine, at the end of an article about the past about Nokdundo Island, that it was now occupied by Russia. However, neither before nor after that, in any history textbook or educational book, I have never seen anything beyond the fact that Yi Sun-sin served in Nokdundo Island, that is, that Russia currently occupies it or that it should be returned in the future. Rather, it is only more widely known in Korea that some nationalistic civilians claim that part of Manchuria (Gando) should be acquired after North and South Korea are reunified or after China is divided into several states.
Of course, the future is unknown.
Occupied? What are you talking about? This is Russian territory. You left it to China. We took it from them. You have no relation to this land.
8:00 "For Korea its value almost entire derives from it's symbolic character." Oh, no, here we go again. I guess that Russia thought the same about Ukraine. Also there are plenty symbolic valued territories which symbolism is shared between different parties. I don't think that all of those parties should go to into conflict because of some "symbolic" values, it's a symbol after all, it's only valued when people agree on it, so why not creating your own symbol. May be K-pop? Anyway, the North Korea as a symbolic territory should be the top priority for the South Korea.
You had me in the first half and lost me with the last sentence. The problem with both Korea's is that because it's a civil war, both nations have legal claims to the other side and every nation who fought for their Korea knows this. Paektu Mountain is a classic example of this, China had no choice but to have talks with BOTH Korea's on where the border runs on the mountain and fortunate for China, they got both Korean's to agree on the same set of lines which is rare. I agree to a degree that South Korea has to worry about North Korea first however it in order to have legal claim, they cannot do exactly what Pakistan and India has when Jammu and Kashmir was invaded by Pakistan to which Jammu and Kashmir went to India for military help and it to this day has been leading to who actually owns what because of the situation it was in. USSR technically created this problem by just assuming North Korea's view was good enough, I give credit to China for being a bit wiser. Because if North Korea ever gets annexed by the South, anyone with a brain will know that North Korean treaties are now pointless and would be stupid to assume the South would enforce them.
You’re missing Moldova at the begin
I’ve never heard of disputes with Estonia…
Estonia belongs to Russia
It’s Russian land cause one : it’s already been given to Russia by North Korea two : just cause you’ve owned territory it dosent mean you can take it back third: since it stopped becoming a island naturally and since technically they lost the territory to China, it’s really just Russian land
(Also if you disagree then noctundo is Chinese land or you agree with the Chinese reason for invading Taiwan{it’s for historical claim})
(Just because the current Russian regime is being imperialist over former land dosent negate that this land actually “belongs” to them {also no real life person has every said “lol” since 2013})
Yes. Now please go tell that to Russia because all those things apply to Ukraine.
(Except the island though, but what has that got to do with anything)
@@user-cx9nc4pj8w Ukraine which killed Russian people for the past 8 years doesn't deserve any land at all.
Also the fact that they never had a treaty for the civil war so they gona invade either way.
Looking at what Russia is doing now, Russia doesn't seem to think so lol
Russia only gotten the land since 1860. The land historically belongs to Korea.
If south Korea got that land north Korea people will still escape in china to Thailand beacuse they don't know that island is apart of korea
4:19 LOL! "And Scammers" then a bunch of "Buy My NFT"' people show up, thats so true.