So I definitely already planned to use Backlash as a source for a video deconstructing the history of anti-feminism, but it sounds like the later chapters are also applicable to other videos I have been wanting to make so yay!
I just wrote this above, so, "A stellar update to Susan Faludi's Backlash might be Modern Misogyny by Kristen J. Anderson. It was published in 2015, it's less than 200 pages long, really accessible with lots of citations to more reading materials, and covers the conservative resurgence following 9/11, the 'feminist man hater myth,' and what feminism's actual impacts have been for women."
There are so many reasons why I love your show. With your videos, I can understand more of the world then I never can otherwise. There are many reasons some people cannot get out a clear message of written material. Those who have dyslexia, such as myself, have so hard to understand the fluent text, and therefore have so hard to keep up with all reading. Especially now when I studying at university level, there are no chances I can keep up with other reading, especially not for pleasure. Because of it takes too much energy. So many say it is so important to read, indeed. But are the society missing out of them who cannot keep that level or speed? Anyway! please continue! I love your show!
You might like the new, very short - I read it on my lunch break - but very excellent Women and Power by Mary Beard. It's based of of a couple of talks but essentially gives a brief classical history of women being told to shut up, and how that tradition has been carried through into the present day.
I absolutely MUST read that 'Backlash' book! Sounds right in the pocket for info I need as I used to be somewhat of an anti-feminist (will happily say I am a feminist now). I still encounter a large number of anti-feminist talk in daily life so have better knowledge on the topic is gonna be welcomed... Damn it Olly, you keep growing my reading list! Lol
Yeah sorry I meant you are now a feminist? So you were convinced by the wage gap myth? Any other arguments I can dismantle for you so you can come back into the light and leave the oppression Olympics?
Skeptical Strom Haha, all good mate. Based on your tone I can immediately tell this has the potential of getting into a massive RUclips debate which frankly I haven't got the time, energy or inclination to jump into right now. So respectfully I'm gonna allow it... I will simply say that I didn't come to my opinion based on looking simply at the wage gap. The wage gap does exist although in the interest of balance I will grant you that looking at the figures that doesn't prove that the wage gap is down purely to sexism in and of itself. Best ✌️
Lord Lav- interesting that you seem to have no desire to try and sway an opponent with an good argument that apparently swayed you... I’m actually pretty curious but I will push back at you if you start twisting statistics to fit your narrative of course. Anyway I don’t want to force you, if you’re afraid of your victim Hood world view getting shattered then I can understand why you’d avoid this conversation. Being a victim is the most vile form of narcissism after all and some people really sink themselves into it.
Backlash is one of my favorite books ever! I think I read it first when I was like 15 and it had a huge impact on my life. There have been so many moments in conversations with people where I've wanted to shove it in sometimes face just like you did in this vid. I laughed super loud! Thank you for that!! I need a gif.(I think this is my first RUclips comment of my life.)
Most of the people who say such things are also proud of the fact that they don't read (at least here in the U.S.), so the book would just be kindling to them. Thanks for the recommendations!
I read Backlash as well, after Innuendo Studios recommended it. It was striking how cyclical the backlash was, some of the things anti-feminists were saying back in the eighties are almost identical to anti-feminist talking points now. It also enlightened me to the power dynamics of those people who would benefit from social reforms sometimes entrenching themselves as resisters of those reforms, particularly female anti-feminists. The idea is that, within the social contexts they operate in, they will be given positions of power and privilege so long as they make an effective show of defending the existing status quo even if they are part of categories who would benefit from changing that status quo (for example, Phyllis Schafly.) Basically they get individual influence by throwing others like them under the bus. I see that a lot with some modern "anti-SJW" types who would otherwise categorically benefit from social restructuring, by denouncing reformists they get the benefit of being "not like those others".
As always, interesting video. Speaking of subjectivity and objectivity, perhaps sometime you might consider explaining to us the concept of "intersubjectivity", a term I encountered, but have forgotten where (it might have been mentioned in connection with the problem of Other Minds.
Can you make a video on 1984's ideas on reality and knowledge? It's normally an overlooked but really important topic. I know you made videos on 1984 and language, which was good, but doesn't really talk about reality.
Haven't read "Eclipse of Reason", but I've read "Dialectic of Enlightenment" and your summary quite surprises me. I know Eclipse of Reason was written 20 years later, but I find it hard to believe Horkheimer went through a phase of such dramatic change. In the "Dialectic Of Enlightenment" Adorno and Horkheimer critisize the age of enlightenment for already containing the structures that would inevitably leald to fascism. Patriarchal society and use of reason is explicitly mentioned as a cause of fascist thinking in several places. From what you say it sounds like Horkheimer has almost done a complete 180 on his positions. I also started reading "The Theory Of Communicative Action" by Jürgen Habermas and I think it has a lot to add about how reason is used in society. Edit: I just realised Eclipse Of Reason was published in the same year as Dialectics Of Enlightenment. That confuses me even more. Either one of us has misread a book or Horkheimer is incredibly instable in his philosophy.
hi Ollie, I wonder if that orange cover book on Shakespeare on the shelf is also a commentary or is it just Shakespeare's works. if you know of any good commentaries on Shakespeare please let me know. thanks
8:23 did you read the manifesto though? His argument was that work environment that favors certain ("bro") personality types isn't solvable just by methods used at the time (e.g. quotas) and doesn't affect just women
I've been waiting for my final exams to end to be able to read Rita Segato's: war on women, one of the top feminist thinkers here in Latin America, a perspective that I can not stop thinking would be excelent to bring on this side of youtube. Have you though of bringing some of this world to your channel?
I'm actually curious as hell to hear your take on Fascism Today: What It Is And How To End It by Shane Burley. I tend to think it buttresses well with the Antifa Handbook.
Your recommended reading links -- the only way to get Kindle editions in the US is to stop what you're doing on Amazon.co.uk and go to Amazon.com. I don't know if you'll still get credit, or if you even care, but I thought I would mention it.
Oh, Abigail, I'm so glad that you're much happier now, but Our Lord The Algorithm recommended this video to me today and I couldn't help but remember the torch that I carried for you! Well, impossible then, impossible now, I guess.
If you need a really difficult read on black American Philosophy Incognegro - Frank Wilderness Is something you should check out He calls himself an "Afropessimist" Which I think you might find interesting concept.
Question: Does Backlash go into any sort of detail about lesbian/bi- or trans-specific case studies? I wanna check out that book so badly, but my worst fear is that it doesn't go into LGBT examples, or worse, is homophobic/transmisogynistic. I think there's a lot of material that could be used there, such as right-wing groups trying to make transition harder for trans women (which still happens today) or how women were affected by the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy in the army, among a lot of other stuff.
As far as I can remember it doesn't talk about trans women much, if at all, though if I remember rightly there is some discussion of lesbian women in there?
Interesting recommendations. You're obviously enthusiastic about the last book. I often wonder if men who don't want to give women equal rights or protection from sexual harassment hate their mothers.
Too freudian as an idea. Tgey might just have grown up with a differebt idea of the world and not believe that these things are serious, existing issues, they might have not learned to empathize with women (or other people who need protection from violence, it does not only happen to women) for these things because that is literally what privilege is, not experiencing certain struggles to the degree that you hardly see them.
also, if anyone could let me know how I can use my philosophy degree for some good in the world, to affect the world and not just write books that will end up on some dusty old library.
I want to bring up something that you said in a video that was posted a few years ago. You said "remember, if ought implies can - then what you can't help, can't be immoral". I would disagree and say that "ought implies can" actually means "if you can't help it you can't be held morally responsible for it. But the action, itself, can still be immoral.
How to you view non contemporary written works, wording? Since on English no word as any objective value, definitions are made by how a words is used, not any objective measure, how we read dated works? Do we view dictionaries of the time? How do we know if those are meanings they intended?
James Morgan- I’m a right winger who values freedom and individual rights and I can tell you simply... Communists like Ollie and you here, Islam, and our huge ass government in the US that likely will soon collapse under its enormous debt. But mostly the communists/progressives/socialists/post modernists/feminists/lgbt..qudnfkfjfjshsksk or whatever.
its interesting, goodreads and wikipedia identify it as "The Undeclared War Against American Women" maybe they removed the american part in the British publish?
Try Wittgenstein's "Blue" and "Brown" Notebooks. They're his own musings, written between the Tractatus and the Investigations. You'll get no answers, but the questions are endlessly provocative.
To understand Wittgenstein in a historical context I would recommend you read, in order: 1. The IEP and/or Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy articles on Wittgenstein 2. If you still feel unsure about yourself, then pick up the Very Short Introduction for him. 3. Russel's "On Denoting" (This is the seminal work that marks the beginning of the linguistic turn. You need to understand Russell's Theory of Definite Descriptions before you read Wittgenstein.) 4. Tractatus (You should read this more like a poetry or the bible. It's very different from anything you have ever read before.) 5. Some logical postivism, such as Ayer's Language, Truth, and Logic (If you don't care about understanding how Wittgenstein fits into the historical traditional, you could skip this.) 6. Philosophical Investigations. (You can and should read this in a casual way. Don't stress over every sentence.) 7. Blue and Brown books (These are secondary sources and are outside of the main canon of his writings. Only bother with them if you have become a hardcore Wittgenstein nerd.)
If Philosophy Tube can make a video on what women face in the challenge for a level playing field, I would be grateful. Even the small amount said in this video was an eye opener...I tend to hear the opposite view mostly. If there is a patriarchal structure, can women succeed in it or do they have to change the entire hierarchic structure, and perhaps also the problem solving vs problem prevention philosophy, among other things? Also, since this structure seems to be changing anyway, could feminist actions like using the justice system to bring men to account actually backfire by increasing the size of government and slowing down the move away from hierarchical power structures?
You mean like how women are going to university more than men are, and being more successful than than the men that do go? Also, all that affirmative action towards women that they just don't pay attention to, too? Ye, real challenges for women right there. Essentially you want a regressive to tell you imaginary nonsense to prove your own life being a failure is somebody else's fault, that's all.
oBLACKIECHANoo If we take emotion out of the picture, the vindictiveness of some women and the anger and bitterness of some men, and seek a well functioning system that doesn't rely on one group being a victim to promote another group (or destroying the environment for that matter), then perhaps the digital economy has something to offer politics. It's all about choice and self empowerment. What about an electronic voting system that would allow public input on issues? The government role could be to educate and present the different sides of the issues (which would engage scientists) and the people would decide. The hard part for whoever is in power is loosening their grip on power by reducing the size of government.
My evidence is anecdotal so read into it what you will, but I think I might be able to describe a bit about what makes the playing field unlevel. I've worked for several companies as a software developer mostly in the oil and gas industry. Throughout my career I've had roughly the same number of female managers and supervisors as male ones, but way more male coworkers and subordinates. If that's all you knew about the situation it may seem like that's affirmative action at work, but if you look closer there's a much more logical reason behind it. After working with an array of entry level programmers it's not hard to see why the few women excel at their jobs whilst so many of the men underperform. So many of the guys didn't take programming classes because they were especially skilled at it or even that much interested in it. They went to college because they needed a job, and software developers make a decent living. I don't think the same could be said of a single female I've met in the profession. The that the gender disparity starts to thin out when you get higher up isn't because women are just being handed those positions, it's because if a woman goes into IT she's probably really good at it and/or passionate about it. Not just because it will pay the bills. If you want to level the playing field the key isn't with getting girls excited about careers that are male-dominated, it's with reducing the stigma enough for gender not to be an issue when directionless teenagers give up, cover their eyes, point to a random entry in a college course catalogue's table of contents, and it turns out to be Intro To Java.
I think it makes sense for the case you mention in 1976, and I see a reason for it, as men aren't able to carry a baby, so the damage would only be done to himself, and through the weakening of his body. Whereas the woman would not only harm herself, but the baby aswell (through skin absorption, prolonged exposure, etc). Though I see this as a problem for women that weren't planning to carry a child during that time, and therefore would not be open to sterelize themselves, I believe it could prevent a lot damages made to fetuses and their devolpment. I'd be curious to read a response @PhilosphyTube, if you have the time! Ps: I apologize but English is not my 1st language, I hope you can grasp the idea I'm trying to explain. All of the best Olly.
Diogo Ferreira I admit that I haven't read Backlash since the 90s (I'm one of those people who was alive in 1976 so my memory isn't the best lol) BUT if these chemicals were powerful enough to affect women's fertility, they could certainly affect men's fertility too. No, the men were not going to get pregnant but they could potentially get someone pregnant and that could affect the health of the baby.
American Cyanamids best option was to offer those women jobs elsewhere with similar pay. The women would not have cared and they would not have had a PR nightmare. They made the ‘most rational’ choice but when your paycheck is your lifeline, your choices can never truly be rational.
Thank you for your reply! I've never read the book so i can't argue on it. And I completely agree that it would absolutely affect men's fertility aswell. I believe that no one should be exposed to working with shuch chemicals (unspecified) ideally. But if it were necessary, I think you should employ men or women not planning on getting pregnant at the time, for a chance of a lower risk of poison/radiation/wtv. Although the solution is quite bizarre or extreme (sterelization), I think it would preferable to not have women applying for said job! Hope you could understand this, as I wasn't around when this took place :p
"best option was to offer those women jobs elsewhere with similar pay. " I agree, maybe something less risk prone . And yeah, for me it was a rational line of thinking (weird sentence lol), but I can see that sometimes vision and context are required.
The issue is that there was no actual reason for them to be working elsewhere. If sterilization was necessary to protect even the chance of a potential baby being affected that adversely then those working conditions were not suitable for humans period. But sterilization wasn't necessary, elsewise they wouldn't have changed the policy after some of the women were actually willing to do it. For whatever reason they just didn't consider those jobs suitable for ladies, but it would have been illegal if they put that in writing as grounds for termination. I'm much more curious about exactly what it was that made them change the policy when some women did get sterilized. Did they realize it was cruel, irrational, or just an even larger liability?
Why be an anti-feminist and go through the world choosing to percieve all from floor to ceiling with the cut scenes from Jacob's Ladder if you didn't have to? I know there are answers to this question. But still I feel it has to be said. No need. Gentlemen. No need. I think we should be thankful that men don't quite yet actually possess the power of god.
I dunno, I never thought to count them! I also tend to give some of them away when I'm done reading them unless I think I'll need to reference them again later
I dunno, that last argument where you deflect James damores letter was pretty poor lol. If women do naturally prefer other fields of study than say, engineering, what good would it do to ask your few female colleagues? If they are in your field then obviously they want to be there and cannot speak for the preferences for all women lol. I'm not saying there isn't discrimination against women in the workforce, but if you cant prove that women have no different occupation preference than men, then you cant use the number of females in a field as good metric for levels of discrimination. If you really want to fight for women's work rights, look into why women dominated fields have a strong tendency to pay less in spite of their importance. Teaching is a perfect example of that. With 77% of the workforce being women, teaching pays nothing despite it being invaluable to a society.
The problem with consulting other people (women in this example) about what they think has little bearing to how they act. People tend to subconsciously act differently to what they consciously mouth.
Luckily there are methods in psychology to make surveys that differentiate between the two, it's quite interesting actually. Can't promise that that they hired a psychologist for this, but it is a way to solve this problem and can be taken into account when considering these questions.
Olly Is it possible that by only reading things that confirms your biased opinion you've created your own echo chamber that reconfirms your beliefs. I want to know are you rational Olly??
I am a feminist, I don't know you're using 'postmodernist' there, and the reason I put Western culture in quotes was to highlight that it's constructed
Philosophy Tube Olly it's okay if you don't feel the need to respon because I can relate to the chaotic Marxist I to take pleasure in undermining world views with no intention of resolving any problems.
Gabriel Katapano- all you have to do is a smidge of research on North Korea, China, and the Soviet Union to see that this stuff is horribly immoral and unworkable. Pretty simple. This debate ended 50 years ago.
Prison Island Head- if you know what it is then I’m glad I don’t have to explain and I think I can rest my case. Ollie is a communist. It’s pretty obvious.
*What!* 😃 Books I bought for you are in the video, so cool. I'm glad I got to contribute to the library & the philosophytube community
+what me worry
heh - these strawmans are fun - Aren't you against public/state ownership like the dirty crapitalist you are and you still use roads?
Private property ≠ possessive property.
"Women still can't vote dawg." Olly Thorn, 2017
So I definitely already planned to use Backlash as a source for a video deconstructing the history of anti-feminism, but it sounds like the later chapters are also applicable to other videos I have been wanting to make so yay!
I just wrote this above, so, "A stellar update to Susan Faludi's Backlash might be Modern Misogyny by Kristen J. Anderson. It was published in 2015, it's less than 200 pages long, really accessible with lots of citations to more reading materials, and covers the conservative resurgence following 9/11, the 'feminist man hater myth,' and what feminism's actual impacts have been for women."
Yes Marina.... you're all full of shit and revision of history. Btw, you're also not a POC.
There are so many reasons why I love your show. With your videos, I can understand more of the world then I never can otherwise. There are many reasons some people cannot get out a clear message of written material. Those who have dyslexia, such as myself, have so hard to understand the fluent text, and therefore have so hard to keep up with all reading. Especially now when I studying at university level, there are no chances I can keep up with other reading, especially not for pleasure. Because of it takes too much energy. So many say it is so important to read, indeed. But are the society missing out of them who cannot keep that level or speed?
Anyway! please continue! I love your show!
I wish these reading recommendations would come back
I can't get enough of your channel, Ollie! One of the best on RUclips! Thanks for the suggestions. I'll definitely be adding them to my to-read lists.
You might like the new, very short - I read it on my lunch break - but very excellent Women and Power by Mary Beard. It's based of of a couple of talks but essentially gives a brief classical history of women being told to shut up, and how that tradition has been carried through into the present day.
That first book missed out on a great title opportunity: "Episte Rèsistance".
I absolutely MUST read that 'Backlash' book! Sounds right in the pocket for info I need as I used to be somewhat of an anti-feminist (will happily say I am a feminist now). I still encounter a large number of anti-feminist talk in daily life so have better knowledge on the topic is gonna be welcomed... Damn it Olly, you keep growing my reading list! Lol
Lord Lav- you are now an anti-feminist? How the hell did that happen? What were you convinced by, the wage gap myth?
Skeptical Strom Other way around sorry famo 👍
Yeah sorry I meant you are now a feminist? So you were convinced by the wage gap myth? Any other arguments I can dismantle for you so you can come back into the light and leave the oppression Olympics?
Skeptical Strom Haha, all good mate. Based on your tone I can immediately tell this has the potential of getting into a massive RUclips debate which frankly I haven't got the time, energy or inclination to jump into right now. So respectfully I'm gonna allow it... I will simply say that I didn't come to my opinion based on looking simply at the wage gap. The wage gap does exist although in the interest of balance I will grant you that looking at the figures that doesn't prove that the wage gap is down purely to sexism in and of itself. Best ✌️
Lord Lav- interesting that you seem to have no desire to try and sway an opponent with an good argument that apparently swayed you... I’m actually pretty curious but I will push back at you if you start twisting statistics to fit your narrative of course. Anyway I don’t want to force you, if you’re afraid of your victim Hood world view getting shattered then I can understand why you’d avoid this conversation. Being a victim is the most vile form of narcissism after all and some people really sink themselves into it.
Backlash is one of my favorite books ever! I think I read it first when I was like 15 and it had a huge impact on my life. There have been so many moments in conversations with people where I've wanted to shove it in sometimes face just like you did in this vid. I laughed super loud! Thank you for that!! I need a gif.(I think this is my first RUclips comment of my life.)
Not a philosopher beyond watching your videos, but seriously considering getting Backlash on your recommendation.
Most of the people who say such things are also proud of the fact that they don't read (at least here in the U.S.), so the book would just be kindling to them. Thanks for the recommendations!
I read Backlash as well, after Innuendo Studios recommended it. It was striking how cyclical the backlash was, some of the things anti-feminists were saying back in the eighties are almost identical to anti-feminist talking points now. It also enlightened me to the power dynamics of those people who would benefit from social reforms sometimes entrenching themselves as resisters of those reforms, particularly female anti-feminists. The idea is that, within the social contexts they operate in, they will be given positions of power and privilege so long as they make an effective show of defending the existing status quo even if they are part of categories who would benefit from changing that status quo (for example, Phyllis Schafly.) Basically they get individual influence by throwing others like them under the bus. I see that a lot with some modern "anti-SJW" types who would otherwise categorically benefit from social restructuring, by denouncing reformists they get the benefit of being "not like those others".
As always, interesting video. Speaking of subjectivity and objectivity, perhaps sometime you might consider explaining to us the concept of "intersubjectivity", a term I encountered, but have forgotten where (it might have been mentioned in connection with the problem of Other Minds.
Hey Abigail, can you please do more book recommendations like in this video?
Started reading Backlash, 30 pages in...can already see how awesome it is! Classic for a reason.
Can you make a video on 1984's ideas on reality and knowledge? It's normally an overlooked but really important topic. I know you made videos on 1984 and language, which was good, but doesn't really talk about reality.
I enjoy your reading recommendation videos a lot. Let them coming! Will eagerly wait for 'Are You Rational' series.
I love these videos! You always expose me to so many fascinating texts and ideas. Love your work :)
Haven't read "Eclipse of Reason", but I've read "Dialectic of Enlightenment" and your summary quite surprises me. I know Eclipse of Reason was written 20 years later, but I find it hard to believe Horkheimer went through a phase of such dramatic change.
In the "Dialectic Of Enlightenment" Adorno and Horkheimer critisize the age of enlightenment for already containing the structures that would inevitably leald to fascism. Patriarchal society and use of reason is explicitly mentioned as a cause of fascist thinking in several places.
From what you say it sounds like Horkheimer has almost done a complete 180 on his positions.
I also started reading "The Theory Of Communicative Action" by Jürgen Habermas and I think it has a lot to add about how reason is used in society.
Edit: I just realised Eclipse Of Reason was published in the same year as Dialectics Of Enlightenment. That confuses me even more. Either one of us has misread a book or Horkheimer is incredibly instable in his philosophy.
ive just gone and bought Backlash! can't wait to read
"If it's illegal that doesn't mean it doesn't happen". I'm now curious about what Oliver's stance on language rights is
Please read (if you haven't already) "Dependent, rational animals" by Alasdair McIntyre.
Absolutely love that guys work...
hi Ollie, I wonder if that orange cover book on Shakespeare on the shelf is also a commentary or is it just Shakespeare's works. if you know of any good commentaries on Shakespeare please let me know. thanks
The subjective/objective reason sounds pretty much the same to Max Weber's instrumental/value rationality
Apollo Carmb09- hey look a guy with a communist symbol listening to Ollie, wow I’m so surprised. Haha
Do communists not watch youtube?
Apparently they do, you’re on here aren’t ya?
8:23 did you read the manifesto though? His argument was that work environment that favors certain ("bro") personality types isn't solvable just by methods used at the time (e.g. quotas) and doesn't affect just women
L'art n'est pas la communication, mais l'art est la résistance
Ceci n'est pas une commentaire.
Arret la francais! Arret les parle!
c'est bien, je ne suis pas serieux
You should read "Who Stole Feminism?" by Christina Hoff Sommers. She pretty much debunks all the arguments by Susan Faludi.
I've been waiting for my final exams to end to be able to read Rita Segato's: war on women, one of the top feminist thinkers here in Latin America, a perspective that I can not stop thinking would be excelent to bring on this side of youtube. Have you though of bringing some of this world to your channel?
anotsofungirl Olly has talked a little bit about Theology of Liberation in two of his videos. That's the most I can think about
anotsofungirl- war on women? Pfff nigga please...
You should consider doing a collab with the Philosophize this podcast.
I'm actually curious as hell to hear your take on Fascism Today: What It Is And How To End It by Shane Burley. I tend to think it buttresses well with the Antifa Handbook.
Chariot driving? When will the madness end?
Your recommended reading links -- the only way to get Kindle editions in the US is to stop what you're doing on Amazon.co.uk and go to Amazon.com. I don't know if you'll still get credit, or if you even care, but I thought I would mention it.
Oh, Abigail, I'm so glad that you're much happier now, but Our Lord The Algorithm recommended this video to me today and I couldn't help but remember the torch that I carried for you! Well, impossible then, impossible now, I guess.
If you need a really difficult read on black American Philosophy
Incognegro - Frank Wilderness
Is something you should check out
He calls himself an "Afropessimist"
Which I think you might find interesting concept.
Great recommendations Olly! thanks!
6:47 Bookkake
Love you, Olly.
Question: Does Backlash go into any sort of detail about lesbian/bi- or trans-specific case studies? I wanna check out that book so badly, but my worst fear is that it doesn't go into LGBT examples, or worse, is homophobic/transmisogynistic. I think there's a lot of material that could be used there, such as right-wing groups trying to make transition harder for trans women (which still happens today) or how women were affected by the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy in the army, among a lot of other stuff.
Caitlin Walsh My first thought was also about backlash to LGBT rights. Would be an interesting read even if those issues weren't mentioned.
As far as I can remember it doesn't talk about trans women much, if at all, though if I remember rightly there is some discussion of lesbian women in there?
How do you find books? How to you know which books are really relevant to what you want to research?
I go off what I see referenced in other places or recommended by thinkers I like, or just follow what I think will bring me joy :)
Interesting recommendations. You're obviously enthusiastic about the last book. I often wonder if men who don't want to give women equal rights or protection from sexual harassment hate their mothers.
Too freudian as an idea. Tgey might just have grown up with a differebt idea of the world and not believe that these things are serious, existing issues, they might have not learned to empathize with women (or other people who need protection from violence, it does not only happen to women) for these things because that is literally what privilege is, not experiencing certain struggles to the degree that you hardly see them.
Reading recommendations should be done in the end of the month!!!!!!!!
Thought I'd get this one in early in case anyone needs Christmas present ideas!
+Ja nina ,Or the beginning, or the middle, but not in-between.
Is it weird that Horkheimer's Objective reason and Subjective reason sounds like Kant's Categorical and Hypothetical Imperatives?
It's not weird, but I was thinking the same thing.
Not weird at all. The categorical imperative is a objective reason to do (or not do) something.
Yeah I immediately thought of that.
in machine (reinforcement) learing it's called exploration and exploitation. B)
(maybe a bit of a stretch :P )
also, if anyone could let me know how I can use my philosophy degree for some good in the world, to affect the world and not just write books that will end up on some dusty old library.
I generally consider myself a bit of an anti-feminist so Backlash sounds really interesting. Thanks for the recommendation
I want to bring up something that you said in a video that was posted a few years ago.
You said "remember, if ought implies can - then what you can't help, can't be immoral".
I would disagree and say that "ought implies can" actually means "if you can't help it you can't be held morally responsible for it. But the action, itself, can still be immoral.
How to you view non contemporary written works, wording? Since on English no word as any objective value, definitions are made by how a words is used, not any objective measure, how we read dated works? Do we view dictionaries of the time? How do we know if those are meanings they intended?
Ooh, interesting question! Could be a good part of a video...
Olly can I reccomend christine de pizan's "The book of the city of ladies.
Just finished Capitalist realism thanks for the recommendation, a very S P O O K Y book.
My new strategy for finding stuff to read: figure out what right-wingers think is going to destroy Western Civilization and find a book on that.
James Morgan- I’m a right winger who values freedom and individual rights and I can tell you simply...
Communists like Ollie and you here, Islam, and our huge ass government in the US that likely will soon collapse under its enormous debt. But mostly the communists/progressives/socialists/post modernists/feminists/lgbt..qudnfkfjfjshsksk or whatever.
Don't forget the Frankfurt School!
James Morgan- oh don’t worry I’m not forgetting it... postmodernist crap. Nice response btw, zing and a miss.
Anything by the Frankfurt School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
Backlash looks so good but it's always the case that the book I want to check out the most isn't owned by my library system. (Also TIL I'm a normie)
its interesting, goodreads and wikipedia identify it as "The Undeclared War Against American Women" maybe they removed the american part in the British publish?
Huh, maybe? Now I think back it is mainly about America, though not exclusively
Olly, any recommendations for Ludwig Wittgenstein?(hopefully I spelled his name right)
Try Wittgenstein's "Blue" and "Brown" Notebooks. They're his own musings, written between the Tractatus and the Investigations. You'll get no answers, but the questions are endlessly provocative.
Thank you both for your thoughtful recommendations! I will look into those works.
To understand Wittgenstein in a historical context I would recommend you read, in order:
1. The IEP and/or Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy articles on Wittgenstein
2. If you still feel unsure about yourself, then pick up the Very Short Introduction for him.
3. Russel's "On Denoting" (This is the seminal work that marks the beginning of the linguistic turn. You need to understand Russell's Theory of Definite Descriptions before you read Wittgenstein.)
4. Tractatus (You should read this more like a poetry or the bible. It's very different from anything you have ever read before.)
5. Some logical postivism, such as Ayer's Language, Truth, and Logic (If you don't care about understanding how Wittgenstein fits into the historical traditional, you could skip this.)
6. Philosophical Investigations. (You can and should read this in a casual way. Don't stress over every sentence.)
7. Blue and Brown books (These are secondary sources and are outside of the main canon of his writings. Only bother with them if you have become a hardcore Wittgenstein nerd.)
How about “the problem with socialism.” That’s a great read and one that I’m sure you need very much if you are watching Ollie the commie.
Ada by Nabokov! Yes!
Check "Daring Greatly" by Brené Brown
What's the best way to contact you about something in some old videos?
I don't know if you've answered this before but what are your favorite movies?
no french children book?
I see post-capitalism in your bookshelf... Also all go check out this book backlash, it seems great!
If Philosophy Tube can make a video on what women face in the challenge for a level playing field, I would be grateful. Even the small amount said in this video was an eye opener...I tend to hear the opposite view mostly. If there is a patriarchal structure, can women succeed in it or do they have to change the entire hierarchic structure, and perhaps also the problem solving vs problem prevention philosophy, among other things? Also, since this structure seems to be changing anyway, could feminist actions like using the justice system to bring men to account actually backfire by increasing the size of government and slowing down the move away from hierarchical power structures?
Project Malus- so stupid...
Zero books RUclips channel just did a similar video about this topic if you want to check it out
You mean like how women are going to university more than men are, and being more successful than than the men that do go? Also, all that affirmative action towards women that they just don't pay attention to, too? Ye, real challenges for women right there.
Essentially you want a regressive to tell you imaginary nonsense to prove your own life being a failure is somebody else's fault, that's all.
oBLACKIECHANoo If we take emotion out of the picture, the vindictiveness of some women and the anger and bitterness of some men, and seek a well functioning system that doesn't rely on one group being a victim to promote another group (or destroying the environment for that matter), then perhaps the digital economy has something to offer politics.
It's all about choice and self empowerment. What about an electronic voting system that would allow public input on issues? The government role could be to educate and present the different sides of the issues (which would engage scientists) and the people would decide.
The hard part for whoever is in power is loosening their grip on power by reducing the size of government.
My evidence is anecdotal so read into it what you will, but I think I might be able to describe a bit about what makes the playing field unlevel. I've worked for several companies as a software developer mostly in the oil and gas industry. Throughout my career I've had roughly the same number of female managers and supervisors as male ones, but way more male coworkers and subordinates. If that's all you knew about the situation it may seem like that's affirmative action at work, but if you look closer there's a much more logical reason behind it.
After working with an array of entry level programmers it's not hard to see why the few women excel at their jobs whilst so many of the men underperform. So many of the guys didn't take programming classes because they were especially skilled at it or even that much interested in it. They went to college because they needed a job, and software developers make a decent living. I don't think the same could be said of a single female I've met in the profession. The that the gender disparity starts to thin out when you get higher up isn't because women are just being handed those positions, it's because if a woman goes into IT she's probably really good at it and/or passionate about it. Not just because it will pay the bills. If you want to level the playing field the key isn't with getting girls excited about careers that are male-dominated, it's with reducing the stigma enough for gender not to be an issue when directionless teenagers give up, cover their eyes, point to a random entry in a college course catalogue's table of contents, and it turns out to be Intro To Java.
An irrelevant question: are you in anyway related to Dylan Moran? :p I always feel like that whenever I see you.
hah, not that I know of!
I think it makes sense for the case you mention in 1976, and I see a reason for it, as men aren't able to carry a baby, so the damage would only be done to himself, and through the weakening of his body. Whereas the woman would not only harm herself, but the baby aswell (through skin absorption, prolonged exposure, etc). Though I see this as a problem for women that weren't planning to carry a child during that time, and therefore would not be open to sterelize themselves, I believe it could prevent a lot damages made to fetuses and their devolpment.
I'd be curious to read a response @PhilosphyTube, if you have the time! Ps: I apologize but English is not my 1st language, I hope you can grasp the idea I'm trying to explain.
All of the best Olly.
Diogo Ferreira I admit that I haven't read Backlash since the 90s (I'm one of those people who was alive in 1976 so my memory isn't the best lol) BUT if these chemicals were powerful enough to affect women's fertility, they could certainly affect men's fertility too. No, the men were not going to get pregnant but they could potentially get someone pregnant and that could affect the health of the baby.
American Cyanamids best option was to offer those women jobs elsewhere with similar pay. The women would not have cared and they would not have had a PR nightmare. They made the ‘most rational’ choice but when your paycheck is your lifeline, your choices can never truly be rational.
Thank you for your reply! I've never read the book so i can't argue on it. And I completely agree that it would absolutely affect men's fertility aswell. I believe that no one should be exposed to working with shuch chemicals (unspecified) ideally. But if it were necessary, I think you should employ men or women not planning on getting pregnant at the time, for a chance of a lower risk of poison/radiation/wtv. Although the solution is quite bizarre or extreme (sterelization), I think it would preferable to not have women applying for said job! Hope you could understand this, as I wasn't around when this took place :p
"best option was to offer those women jobs elsewhere with similar pay. " I agree, maybe something less risk prone . And yeah, for me it was a rational line of thinking (weird sentence lol), but I can see that sometimes vision and context are required.
The issue is that there was no actual reason for them to be working elsewhere. If sterilization was necessary to protect even the chance of a potential baby being affected that adversely then those working conditions were not suitable for humans period. But sterilization wasn't necessary, elsewise they wouldn't have changed the policy after some of the women were actually willing to do it. For whatever reason they just didn't consider those jobs suitable for ladies, but it would have been illegal if they put that in writing as grounds for termination. I'm much more curious about exactly what it was that made them change the policy when some women did get sterilized. Did they realize it was cruel, irrational, or just an even larger liability?
“what you saying? women still can’t vote dawg”
6:46 - Warning! Incoming feminist book face hugging xenomorph!
Why be an anti-feminist and go through the world choosing to percieve all from floor to ceiling with the cut scenes from Jacob's Ladder if you didn't have to? I know there are answers to this question. But still I feel it has to be said. No need. Gentlemen. No need. I think we should be thankful that men don't quite yet actually possess the power of god.
So therefore..
As doctor's note for impure thoughts
:') ;
°°Chemical sanitation is a bit alLucive
Mad as helL - ish by couple hundred years dropped familiar adress reference
I got drugs birthright? Oh wow!
How many books do you have?
I dunno, I never thought to count them! I also tend to give some of them away when I'm done reading them unless I think I'll need to reference them again later
I dunno, that last argument where you deflect James damores letter was pretty poor lol. If women do naturally prefer other fields of study than say, engineering, what good would it do to ask your few female colleagues? If they are in your field then obviously they want to be there and cannot speak for the preferences for all women lol. I'm not saying there isn't discrimination against women in the workforce, but if you cant prove that women have no different occupation preference than men, then you cant use the number of females in a field as good metric for levels of discrimination. If you really want to fight for women's work rights, look into why women dominated fields have a strong tendency to pay less in spite of their importance. Teaching is a perfect example of that. With 77% of the workforce being women, teaching pays nothing despite it being invaluable to a society.
The problem with consulting other people (women in this example) about what they think has little bearing to how they act. People tend to subconsciously act differently to what they consciously mouth.
Luckily there are methods in psychology to make surveys that differentiate between the two, it's quite interesting actually. Can't promise that that they hired a psychologist for this, but it is a way to solve this problem and can be taken into account when considering these questions.
Olly Is it possible that by only reading things that confirms your biased opinion you've created your own echo chamber that reconfirms your beliefs. I want to know are you rational Olly??
6:47 Someone must make gif
Bloody normies
Is this guy really a postmodernist feminist that doesn't know what western culture is?
I am a feminist, I don't know you're using 'postmodernist' there, and the reason I put Western culture in quotes was to highlight that it's constructed
Philosophy Tube you defend cultural Marxist by saying is a Nazi conspiracy that it's fundamentally opposed to the west and the individual.
Philosophy Tube blessedly uninitiated
Blissfully unindoctrinated
Philosophy Tube Olly it's okay if you don't feel the need to respon because I can relate to the chaotic Marxist I to take pleasure in undermining world views with no intention of resolving any problems.
Please read the book "Dangerous" by Milo Yiannopoulos😊
.......in order to roast it
lol
It's a good read..
Why?
A book filled with self hate and insecurities? no thx.
Ollie the communist... can’t believe I ever thought this guy was intelligent. Idk maybe he just needs to grow up a bit...
Skeptical Strom i guess the problem is less being a communist and more letting that affect his entire research/content producing to a laughable extent
Gabriel Katapano- all you have to do is a smidge of research on North Korea, China, and the Soviet Union to see that this stuff is horribly immoral and unworkable. Pretty simple. This debate ended 50 years ago.
Prison Island Head- dude, he has a book called “post capitalism” sitting behind him in his shelf and a ton of communist subs... wake up.
Prison Island Head- he just suggested a book to his readers by an author that was in the Frankfurt school... do you know what the Frankfurt school is?
Prison Island Head- if you know what it is then I’m glad I don’t have to explain and I think I can rest my case. Ollie is a communist. It’s pretty obvious.