Bobo Doll Experiments: Teaching Children Violence
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- Опубликовано: 17 мар 2024
- Dive into the fascinating journey of behaviorism from Pavlov to Bandura. Explore classical and operant conditioning, Skinner's theories, and Bandura's groundbreaking social learning experiment in this insightful video!
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It is said that Pavlov wanted to stop researching the Pavlovian Response, but he couldn't stop because every time he received attention for it - he started up again.
Ha
I know this is a joke, but Pavlov actually went on to perform horrific experiments on dogs to produce peptide for commercial use. Don't look it up if extreme animal abuse triggers you.
Ha
* slow clap *
Some may say he was conditioned to do it.
Simon just losing his composure at the idea of having a tea party between the aggressive outbursts in the experiment.
You definitely can't establish violent intent vs mimicry if you don't also test them mimicking other behaviors. What if the adult had treated the wibble-wobble politely, spoken to it like a person, had a tea party with it? Gotta see what the kid would do then. You should also have kids observe both things happening to the toy and see what they do.
I was really hoping the story about that girl was going to make Simon laugh. Glad I succeeded!
That comment makes that moment even funnier.
The thing that gets me about the idea that video games induce specific behavior is that there arent roaming parties of adventures righting wronga and killing gods with the power of friendship.
Actually, that's what some game devs do on our lunch breaks. 🤔
My argument is how do you explain the crusades
I'm just glad adventurers aren't barging into my room, smashing my jars, and taking my gems.
Well because when the plucky band of heroes try to topple the evil overlord and free the land, it's heroism, but when me and my friends try to do it, it's aN AsSaSsInAtIoN aTtEmPt...smh.
@@christophergolden1635you're right, if only the crusaders hadn't played so many violent video games, they might've been nice guys.
I had one of those! And I agree, it was mostly about making it stay down.
I once figured out how to do it: I buried it under the cushions of the living room, which made me think of a tomb, which obviously made me think of mummies...
Cut to my mother lifting the cushions and a toilet paper-bandaged bobo lifting its face straight at her.
Needless to say: I was grounded.
Unless it was made new for the experiment isn't the whole point of the Bobo the clown doll trying to knock it down? Wouldn't some of the kids have already played with one?
exactly, they needed to take a toy thats purpose was something else, and see if they could be taught to use it "incorrectly" by hitting it and throwing it. taking a punching bag and being surprised kids punch the punching bad. classic pointless "science" experiment, that anyone could have told them what the outcome would be.
@@ge2719No, you should punish your kids if they ever dare to punch a punching bag.
Haha, I remember learning about the Bobo experiment while getting my psych degree. I had immediately asked the prof "wasn't he just teaching the kids how to play with the new toy?" And he didn't have a good answer for me.
Also i destroyed things as a kid when i got frustrated, how much is kids taking out their frustration or anger outward on the Bobo doll? Someone should ask one of those psychology professors if they bring it up. This is why psychology has a credibility problem, because they don't have the objectivity of harder sciences and depend on soft relativistic subjective interpretation.
@@user-vv8ve4px5jdepends what sub field. My wife is in forensics - every assessment or test has been shown to be valid again and again over the years.
That being said - there’s a huge difference between PsyD’s and PHD’s and your average master’s degree counselor who probably went to school to handle their own BS rather than to help others.
I was thinking the same thing. They know that the punching bag is meant for punching. What if they tried the experiments almost the same but with a toy that has a non-destructive use? If they showed the kids an adult crashing a teddy bear tea party are they going to mimic it or are they going to feel bad for this toy that is not meant to be beaten?
@@user-vv8ve4px5jthat's because violent behavior is a coping mechanism a bad one but still one it it self is a reward u feel powerful the reward from adrenaline and power and it's a taboo because society looks down on it as u learm through the operant conditioning that's clearly being ignored in the experiment ur parents dotn allow u to brake toys but this grown up let's u and he's a grown up which in the eyes of a kid is a wise strong person so they can be like the adult
And they elevated it by saying it was a toy for adults
There's also the thought that many of these kids were pretty much using the toy "as designed". And there might actually have been more than just an incidental novelty behind how it was designed/developed by its inventor and manufacturer.
I was born in 95 and around 2003 when the Hulk movie came out, there was a brief window in time where the concept of the bobo doll came back but had The Hulk on there instead.
Pretty sure same thing happened with Kungfu Panda. Y'know "There is now a level Zero"
I'm glad that window was brief. Whomever was comparing the bobo doll experiments to The Hulk film(s) is an idiot.
I'm a 90s kid and I totally had a Bobo doll. I had quite a bit of fun with it too. They even had one at the daycare I went to.
It was more about trying to make it stay down. I would usually end up finding something that weighed the top end down and left it like that.
Yes! As a kid of the 80 and 90s at my daycare we had one and so did a few of my friends. It would be a game to dog pile on it to keep it down or see how much it took to keep it down. There was also the sensory feedback from hitting it, kind of like a less intense version of sensory feedback you'd get from playing with a kickball. With the significant perk that it was allowed indoors.
The moment I heard "tried to decapitate" on reference of a little girl aggressively playing with a doll really made me question the interpretations of this experiment.
Yes did she hack saw twist or rip it off.... she didnt ? So how did she try
@@FUCKDSS Pretty much what my take away was, yes. Like, according to what we were told, this little girl was allegedly trying to decapitate a doll with a ball. I don't know about anyone else, but last I checked, balls are pretty terrible decapitation devices.
My parents had a bobo like toy when I was really young. Early 90s kid here for reference.
It was literally a children's punching bag. How else are you supposed to use it?
It doesn't really prove anything.
exactly, plus it being in inanimate object, its not violence. i remember having one of them as a kid ad it was just a toy. i knew there was a difference between harming an actual living thing and punching a baloon.
As an early 80's kid (83) I had one, as well as several friends. They were definitely advertised as kids punching bags lmao. There's literally no other use for that toy
Couldn’t it also have been that the kids were just bored cause they were taken out of the room with the toys and were like, “hey, that’s a bobo doll, you play with it by hitting it”
If you watched the whole video he said that
All the time listening to this I am sat here thinking; "Poor Bobo." What does that say about me, I wonder?
When I was a preschooler back in the 60s I had a Bobo doll but I never played with it. I found that a more fun way to let out my aggression was to bang on a garbage can with tree limbs while singing Beatles songs at the top of my lungs. Needless to say, my parents were pushing me to the Bobo.
As the mother of a preschooler, it is not hard to train them to violence lol they go to it automatically. You have to train them OUT of violence 😂 also, I'm a psych student so this isn't a new story to me but I didn't know Bandura spent time on the Alaska highway. He likely lived around where I do when he was doing that. Very interesting!
There's also a school of thought that says boys need a way to vent their aggression but in a socially acceptable way
Any observant parent can tell you that children learn way more behavior from observation than any other method. If a child is behaving a certain way it means they are seeing it somewhere.
I remember that Bobo toy. Loved playing with them cause they were a life-sized Weeble-Wobble toy. As mentioned by Simon near the end, the toy was just fun.
Bobo - In 'Toy Story' - Sees the kids come into the room (ESPECIALLY the tea party girl) and thinks "AWWWWW CRAP! Here we go again!! WHYYYY MEEEE!!!" 🤣🤣🤣
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How is this not cited more, it seems to have so many possible applications. How people get involved in gangs and organized crime, military enlistment and recruitment, how a certain political party engulfed a whole country to take on a global conflict, like so many things to cross examine. Great video!
Do you really have to cite that children copy adults? Or rather, why cite these tests in particular... as expressed in the video and the comments, the whole procedure is flawed.
"The kids were using a punching bag as designed." Would be the start of my ted talk.
@@chrisakaschulbus4903 if this is examined or used in an academic setting then it’s my opinion that this would be an expansive and informative citation should someone be trying to publish a new theory or support and essay thesis.
My cousins had a toy very similar to a bobo doll, it just wasn't THAT version, but it was absolutely a toy intended to be beat the shit out of and it was purchased in the 80's.
I just finished a week of working at a dog training place and learning classical and operant conditioning this feels like that momentwhere once you learn stuff it's everywhere
Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon/Frequency Illusion?
Skinner takes the wheel but Pavlov is always on your shoulder ;)
I learnt about Pavlov, Skinner and Bandura as part of my BTEC Childs Play, Learning and Development course.
It frightened most of the class when we saw clips of Bobo doll experiments. I think it clicked for us as to why we had often heard debates when growing up about video games and films/tv.
However we all had watched a 15 movie at point prior turning 14. Or was watching more adult programmes after the children's channel finished.
When one of the early GTA came out, for example, my dad bought it for my younger brother. I wanted play on it because everyone at school had played or was playing it and he was playing it. I didn't want to play on the GameCube. Same with the Nintendo DS. It was a craze in order to fit in and be like the children around you.
Its amazing how all of us have been shaped by our ealry years and why its important to give an education that is emotionally, mentally and physically positive for children.
I think the question should be whether or not the child has developed an understanding of imaginary vs reality. For example, when playing knights, we didn’t leave welts with our sticks because we knew it was “just pretend” and no one was to get hurt while playing (I know, some of you might’ve left welts and thought it funny, I know how paintball works). Witnessing or experiencing violence (see ACEs, adverse childhood experiences) will have a greater impact on a child’s development than video games and movies, though I question allowing a child news access without discussing the content appropriately. In game chats, we might say “sorry, gtg, RL stuff”- this reinforces the boundary between fantasy (the game) and reality (real life).
i had one of those punching bag clowns, and i wish i still did!!
you were SUPPOSED to punch, kick and otherwise unleash your anger on it, or, at least, that's what my parents told me to use it for. 🤣
the point was to direct my angry energy to the clown, not to another person.
in other words, my "bobo" was an anger management tool.
as for the little girl trying to kill it, well, maybe she just didn't like clowns!!! 😛
I'm Gen X and while I am pretty sure I may have encountered a Bobo (or Bozo) doll at some point during my early development, I can say - with absolute confidence - my specific point of contention was with the mutha-f*ckin' Weeble ... oh boy, did I do my best to discover ways to make them fall down.
Weeble will wobble but it won’t fall down
I had a Weeble. It was a great way to waste time doing just that. 😂 My daycare had a bozo ... hated that damn thing, used to throw blankets over it only for the blanket to be too heavy or off centered and slide off. Nightmare fuel.
I was born in 1981 and I had a toy similar to (or the same as) the bobo doll. I honestly don't remember if it had a clown on it or not but I do remember having it and I do remember that it was marketed as something you knock down and it will get back up again which encouraged the user to beat it up.
The fact that the "violent acts" increased so much more after watching a cartoon would seem to me to support the idea that it wasn't actual violence the kids were learning, just what was considered "fun" with the cartoon like toy
Great job @thatwriterkevin on getting that reaction at 7:18!
I remember there being a small stuffed cloth clown doll weighted at the bottom very similar to the Bobo doll but much smaller and cloth. It's a distant memory so I can't add much more to the discription.
I watch violence on TV and while I can imagine using violence on someone I know it is bad behavior. That is because I was taught that it is wrong by those adults that I loved and wanted to be loved by in return while growing up. Children taught violence by those adults they love and want to be loved by in return while growing up are more likely to be violent as adults. I also believe that if they have adults they love and want to be loved by in return that are both violent and non-violent they have a 50% chance of being violent as they are being taught both behaviors and will eventually seek one behavior over the other at some point in their life. Parents and/or other very important adults in a childs growing years have immeasurable power over how the child grows and shapes into adulthood. Being a parent or guardian is a huge responsibility and unfortunately, so many don't use that responsibility for good.
They did this to me back in the early 90s in elementary school, still have traumas of all the activities and questions they made me do.
In 20 minutes, you have explained what it takes me about 2 to 3 hours in lecture to explain. I am definitely using this video whenever I teach about behaviorism and the Bobo doll experiment again
We're living in the unholy child of Pavlov, Skinner, and the Stanford Prison Experiment, at the bottom of the Pit of Despair. (Shudder)
I had a Bobo doll (or whatever they were called in the 90s) BECAUSE it was meant to be knocked around. My nephew is also a 2nd child, and is more “aggressive” than his two sisters. I’m curious if it was noted anywhere which children had siblings and where said children were in the order. I definitely learned from observing my siblings before anything else. If they got away with something, it was a good indicator that it was safe for me to do too. Probably more so than a random adult that I didn’t know lol.
When I heard that bell sound at the start of the video, I had the sudden urge to like and comment on this video. Why?
My parents bought me a boho doll when I was a child in the 80s but it was some other cartoon character. It was always different characters popping up every year or season in the Vons grocery store. It’s weird how much I think of that place but I guess that’s where a life came from in a way for nine years.
most people are not born as monsters they become monsters ... never turn a blind eye to abuse ...
I had a Bobo blowup doll. We wouhit it just to watch it pop back up. It wasn't about being violent towards it.
its a large weeble toy. the entire purpose of it is to try to knock it over.
they might as well have given the kids a football with a face on it and called it violence when they started kicking it around.
I had a bobo doll. It was to help me practice my punches when dad wasn’t around to box. I think saying the kids had aggressive behavior because they used the toy as it was intended is quite a stretch.
I would be far more interested in whether children exposed to violence (and I mean violence, not discipline) in the home go on to be violent themselves, or victims of violence.
I know the statistics for convicted criminals, but I’m pretty sure there are many other people who grew up with violence that didn’t become a criminal.
I have never heard the term Bobo doll before but as soon as he described it I knew what Simon was talking about.
Love your content Simon! Keep it up! Also please update the websites or ask whoever does them to update them 😅
I love that Simon had to take a quick break to laugh at the idea of a child beating a Bobo doll to attend a tea party, and return to the beating later. I had the same burst of laughter.
The flaw in the media study is you can't provide catharsis AHEAD of the emotion. The better experiment would be to anger the children, THEN have them watch the film, THEN see if they still attack bobo.
Also wouldn't it be better to judge and measure true catharsis, using 'subject groups' containing FULLY DEVELOPED brains..? Or, am I just completely out of my MIND, here? LmMFaO! ;) :P :o)
I was listening to this while multitasking and hearing Simon say “Get f**ked you stupid clown” caught me SO off guard and had me laughing like crazy 😂
80's kid here. Definitely had a punching bag like that. I got annoyed by how long it took for it to stand back up.
Speaking from experience the Bobo clown doll was designed to punch that was the whole point of it so you can't base a thesis off of a toy being played with the way it was designed to be played with!
That Bandora 60s experiment is exactly why old people think playing "violent" video games makes kids violent.... Based on what we know now, it was a good study but it wasn't done correctly. Social learning can happen in situations you wouldn't expect....
Simon, bro how many RUclips channels do you have?? 😂
Keep em coming! The Hustle Continues 💪🏾
It’s also that young kids can’t differentiate between fiction and reality yet. That’s part of growing up and maturing.
If anyone has played the classic 16-bit video game "Zombies Ate My Neighbors," the clown decoy you can drop is a bootleg inflatable Bobo doll.
I wonder how much of an effect Bobo being a CLOWN had on the experiment 😂.
Did no one question the logic of, "Don't be a bully or I'll hit you?" It's always amazed me that parents who spank don't seem to realize that. I watched a parent at the McDonald's Play Place slap her young child on the hand while firmly saying, "We don't hit!" I guess she was a "Do as I say, not as I do" type of parent.
This is the whole premise of the modern parental teaching. If you hit a child you are therefore reinforcing the idea of violence to get their own way, against the way of teaching them reasoning to hopefully get the same response. The older generation find it hard to break old traditions and treat youngsters as rational humans
@@cynhiacations9879 Absolutely! I have four children, currently aged 8 through 17, who were raised without violence. They've never been in a fight at school or otherwise. They get along well with others. When they get super mad, a couple of them will punch their bed or pillows, but they don't even hit each other like siblings often do. They're not pushovers - they stand up first themselves and others, but they do so verbally and with appropriate actions. I'm very proud of them and I feel like they're proof that non-violent parenting (and attachment parenting) breeds well-rounded humans!
@@kathryncumberland that's how my parents raised me and my two siblings, same results, and I think we get along alot better than most siblings
I mean, based on how you described it. It could also just be that they were giving the tacit "ok" to behave in the way they already wanted to. That would also explain the gap in who young boys copy. Young boys can see that female violence is punished less than male violence. But if the guys are doing it. Hay, it must be ok.
Hey Anyone, Does anyone know if the Cat cartoon from this experiment still exist and where to watch?
I couldn't find it while researching this sadly. I was very curious how crude it was
White, 70, female. I remember having one of those things. I'd say my brother hit it more than I did, even though I seldom played with dolls. I never hit it out of anger, and I don't know that my brother did either. I have known, as an adult, younger people hitting punching bags when they were angry which does have less of a 'people' to it since one of those don't have a face or body. I have heard, but never actually seen, people putting someone's face on one. I never hurt my stuffed animals, which I was more likely to play with, even though my favorite shows would be considered more violent than shows for children today - not talking animation shows. However, the shows I watched seldom had the bad guys killed, injured but not killed. Even the hero might be injured, but still succeed in over powering the bad guys. I was, and am, more likely to watch an action program than a 'drama.' I find most soap operas, like most romance books, boring. I have watched and read 'rom-coms' and enjoyed them, but they are still very formulaic, that isn't a bad thing, lots of things are, horror movies and the like. But they never made me violent toward others. I have a temper. I have a pretty long fuse, but when I'm done, people pretty much remember it. I might throw something, but not AT something or someone.
I wonder what the lifelong effects were for the kids in each experiment.
they all have an extreme aversion to weird people in lab coats.
I had a bobo the clown punching bag when I was a kid, we loved pretending to be boxers and kicking some butt. We never left the house afterwards and started punching other kids because of it. Even though I was probably 5 yrs old I still knew it was just play fun and not to be replicated on other people
The boys preferred to make use of the toy guns, while the girls, after viciously assaulting the doll, preferred to have a mid-assault tea party.
My late ex grandmother in law worked with BF Skinner.
3:33 Stanford
I saw that too! Very obvious mistake...
My kids were deffinetly more aggressive when watching certain cartoons , but then a certain teen titans go episode about squish and stretch , helped me to explain real life and cartoon differences..
Censorship is control... and this is why companies like Google (parent of RUclips) are doing their best to censor the Internet.
Could you make a video about cfs/me pls ?
I want a robot that does dishes!!!
That’s called a dishwasher….
Same , but I can't say that on a first date.
OK. I get it now. We have Dr. Bandura to blame for Moral Guardians wringing their hands over Marilyn Manson/gangsta rap, Mortal Kombat and Beavis & Butt-head during the 90's. 😂
the real question is what became of those children ? ...
So what is it with Stanford University and the both direct and indirect connections to questionable human experiments?
I was born in 1966 😂I had plenty of Boo-boo dolls and my brothers and I would pound them all over the place 😂
The bobo doll, imo, was a toy that kids knocked around but couldn't knock it down flat because of its centre of gravity. So it was a toy that kids were, probably unaware, learning from while having fun.
Simon should do about Sophie Lancaster ❤
how many channels does this guy have lmfao, love the content tho
Well. Hats off to Bobo.. still seems happy despite the violence 😂
But how would the results have changed if there was a fourth study group who witnessed an adult talk kindly to the Bobo doll, or include the Bobo doll in a tea party or treat the Bobo doll as a friend? Would they have seen a marked decrease in aggression toward the Bobo doll for that group?
Does the audio sound a bit weird for anybody else?
I’m a behavioral analyst for children with autism. I’m very familiar with Skinner obviously, but never heard of Bobo dolla
Those children watching this video today and getting flashbacks 😂
I think violence in media especially video games where the player is an active participant in the violence would have harmful effects, like associating violence with pleasure, helping normalize violent behaviour, training to be better marksmen, etc.
Wow...
Also, pavlov used a tuning fork, not a bell. :) Interesting bit of trivia their. And I believe it was Pavlov who drilled tubes into the dogs' mouths so that he could measure their saliva output accurately.
Proof that violent video games don’t automatically cause violence is the Columbine shooter. His favorite video game was one of the Kirby video games. Thus, really, it’s more about the mentality when it comes to violence.
Source? Lol. It's commonly said they were fans of Doom, but Kirby? Is that even a real game? 😂
If human psychology is that complicated, can we learn anything reliable from any such experiment?
I kinda believe that the „Katharsis“ that supposedly comes from experiencing violence through media is true, but only for adults who can reflect that they’re watching/reading/playing something fictional or something completely removed from their own real lives (like true crime). Children are not yet capable of reflecting the difference between reality and media and thus will replicate both real life and fictional violence.
I had a Bobo Doll. I cut it open to see what it was made of.
The CIA: hummm sounds like a great project!
I saw a Bobo doll once when I was very young, at a friend's house.
Anyone else reminded of Rugrats “hi I’m boppo!”
I swear my parents bought me one of these bozo the clown things. It was late 80s early 90s. When I punched it and it came back I thought it was pretty neat. Kept punching it thinking it was my brother 🤣
I was born in 1989 and I had something very similar to the bobo doll so this would have been the mid 1990's
You know, I'm not a fan of clowns, but Bobo didn't deserve that. Lol
@simon it’s kind of funny you use the example of stubbing your toe
I did that exact thing in the kitchen and yelled shit. My son then walked up, kicked the baseboard and he yelled shit repeatedly for about 10 minutes.
Where is that GTA analogy Simon???
Love the vid, but for anyone who's now on the other side of the exrtreme, no it's not ok to show your 6 or 7 year old GTA or mortal kombat! If you want to show them games there's a lot of really good ones and if they ask for agressive leanbing games, introduce them to Animal Party, Smash, Mario Kart, Minecraft or even Fortnite is pretty cool for the youngens. You know? Fun wholesome family games!
DO AN EPISODE ON: Known as the Third Wave.
Cubberley High School in Palo Alto, California, during the first week of April 1967
An experimental movement created by the high school history teacher Ron Jones to explain how the German population could have 'accepted the actions of the Nazi regime during the rise of the Third Reich and the Second World War'. A student of his asked why the German people didnt stop it? The experiment on the students reconstructed the environment that sucked the German populous into Fascism.
There was even a daytime TV movie in the early 80's on it called The Wave. Wiki it, some info there.
I struggled in infant school. Thank you for being a punching bag to a 4 year old, Bobo 🤭
Thank you for telling this properly. I watched until the end. FYI
As a Gen X person I like every other kid had a bobo doll and played with them. How many of these kids had played with bobo dolls prior to the experiments. Plus hitting the toy is the total point of the toy, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is aggression.
That young one was 100% a third child. They are ferral😂
I really wonder how those kids turned out 🤔
I find it funny that the experiment indicates that gender roles seem learnt, not innate: When there was an equal reward for the behavior, the behaviour was the same. The children are taught to imitate the same sex when choosing between strangers to imitate. It would've been interesting if they had seen a familiar cartoon character versus unfamiliar character, and which behaviour they would then imitate.
the test is too narrow both in sample size and in eliminating other factors that affect the results. No conclusion can be drawn. more testing is needed.
I was born in 1996, I had a Spider-Man version, it was a nice anger toy to take my rage out on. Used it till I was middle school. It wasn’t a total lame toy in my opinion.