Callan Woods While I find a lot of these criticisms retarded, I agree that the theatrical cut really missed key scenes that should've been there. One major point was that Superman could not see through the guy's wheelchair before the bomb went off because the wheelchair was lined to lead. This was explained in the extended cut. The extended cut elevates this movie quite a lot.
Casanova Frankenstein What pisses me off is that Snyder seems to think his audience is so dumb they will just accept any nonsense because they saw some comic book panels randomly shat onto the screen with no rhyme or reason.
WoodyWoods428 Yeah. There was a good movie hidden in there somewhere. But the way they structured the "plot" it was just boring filler and nonsensical contrivances in order to get to the next money shot. I'm glad some people liked it. If I can engage with the characters plotholes usually don't bother me but we just got to spend no time with our heros. And whenever they did get to say anything it was stilted exposition so far removed from actual human behavior it was kinda absurd. A sad day that was.
I don't get the "no Humor " complain... Alfred got me laugh loads of time, Bruce had his funny moments on the party, or in the museum with Diana and so on...
@John Smith - That's fine. 😌☕ **takes a sip** Let them enjoy their "Ralph Boehner" jokes & the PG-13 Blade franchise that Disney-fied Marvel is gonna serve 'em. 🤭😝 LMAOO We getting our #Snyderverse over here!!!
@@KabbalahSherry Bro about this 'Ralph Bohner' thing. This was revealed in the finale of the show which was rated 88 percent on rotten tomatoes. And BvS is rated 28 percent. Now the thing is I believe there is always a specific point in a movie or a show which displeases the critics the most. Let's say for BvS it was the Martha scene which they gave the reason for disliking because it was something they never realised (that Batman and Superman's mothers shared the same name) and this realisation pulled them out of the serious tone of the movie. Now the thing is I believe that they slaughtered BvS for that. But I believe it was overkill. Because a similar thing happens with the 'Bohner' incident. Wandavision despite its sitcom type light natured premise, it was a fairly serious show. I mean it dealt with serious topic like grieving. And then in its third act, just like BvS, there was a scene that must have pulled critics out. The Bohner scene. But they did not bash it hard enough. Hell, it wasn't even seriously talked about. I mean you literally bring an alternate universe actor into your universe only for a dick joke. It should have offended fans and critics as much as BvS once did. But the outrage was fairly passive. And this I feel is extremely unfair.
There are a couple of things about Batman in this film that nobody seems to get: 1-He never escalates. every time he ups the ante in the batmobile chase it is because the guys he was fighting did so first. He only breaks out the guns when they break out the minigun and rpgs. 2-He never directly kills anyone. He could have easily aimed his guns AT the mooks shooting the minigun. Instead he shoots out the wheels of the truck. He's still not aiming for fatalities, he's just more careless about them. EVEN KGBEAST may be able to survive the explosion. 3-YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO LIKE ANY OF THIS. This is to show how close to the edge he is. It's a bad thing. Hence why he no longer brands people at the end of the film. It's called character development. The film respects batman enough to let him be wrong. His whole arc is about showing how without superman, by being constantly alone, he would eventually have snapped.
I call bullshit on reasons 2 and 3 2 because he literally pulled the trigger to shoot at people. He KNEW they were gonna die if he shoots at the car, or a gas tank. He intentionally shot them. He killed them, and it wouldn't be so glaring if people stopped trying that bullshit excuse. This Batman is the Punisher, just live with it, own it, not pussy foot around it. And 3. Oh I'm not suppose to like him. Well that's fine and dandy, tell me, who am I supposed to like? Crybaby man? WW who's barely in this? Oh I know, how about Jimmy Olsen? You know...Supermans pal that he let die at the start of the movie. If you don't make your characters likable, relatable, or even redeemable, the audience won't care.
@@Tomha Did you like Thor at first when you watched Thor 1? Well I know I didn't. He was arrogant and he looked down on people. He changed to become a better person. That's called character development. Even Iron Man had his. Billionaire playboy who doesn't give a shit about anyone. Hulk, a raging beast later able to control his emotions. And we saw the same thing in BvS. Batman was a cold blooded killer. The Martha scene was his redemption. Supermans sacrifice also redeemed him. He could have branded Lex, but he chose not to. So he's no longer judge and executioner.
@@diegoclark7697 But they had personality, didn't they? Yeah Thor was pretty flawed in the beginning, but he clearly meant well, he was a haughty brute who liked to throw his weight around, but it was very clear that he wasn't a bad person. Yeah character development is natural, and typically good, but if we don't care about the man? Why should we care about his development? Batman before CD was just a serial killer who was really paranoid. His CD is bullshit, we're suppose to ignore the fact that he's a mass murderer just because? Oh but Martha was his redemption, oh yes, fantastic work, you killed half a dozen men, and literally let a man BURN to death to save 1 elderly woman, an old windbag who's son you were obsessed with murdering. Yep, instant good guy status. OH but Superman's very pointless death redeems him. HOW!? How does that make him go from The Grim Knight, to a more traditional Batman? Infact, they don't even explain it, they don't show, they don't tell. He just randomly discards his firearms and picks up a Batarang and acts as a completely different person. The guy makes the lunatic on Split look consistent. There's Character Development, and then there's replacing the character entirely. Thor was a spoiled brat with an ego at the start of Thor, he had his flaws, but he had development that remained consistent with his person, and the situation involving him. He didn't just drop his bad traits, he shed them in a sensible, realistic pace, had support. The Marvel characters you listed, we got to witness their transformation (except Hulk, a big chunk of that was in between films.)
Nishyank Patel how every time I say I don’t like a DC movie people assume I like MCU movies stupid humour, I find them hit and miss sometimes they’re hilarious other times it’s shit, *looking at you first line of Age of Ultron* I didn’t say I never laughed once in the movie, intentionally, Laurence Fishburne was fucking hilarious as Perry White.
@@JDP2104 the highway fight scene is very well choreographed but not very well directed. It contains some ( only some ) quick cuts that don't allow you to follow the action. This is not there in the elevator scene in winter Soldier. So they sort of compensate but as an overall, this fight scene is almost perfect in all the aspects.
I'm one of the biggest Marvel (comic books) fans around, but even I had to call BS of most of the complaints against recent DC movies. For example, I thought that Man of Steel was/is one of the best told/filmed Superman stories ever. It just made sense. I've also come to realize that critics of late have been too critical or nitpicky of late. If they aren't just outright being bought to give good reviews. The only problem I've ever had with DC mostly had to do with Batman fans thinking that Batman can beat anyone with prep as if no one else gets prep either. :D Other than that, I enjoy both Marvel and DC comics and movies. Marvel just happens to have my favorite character Spider-Man.
to the "no heart" argument: I think you even missed out on some things like, superman calling his mother in the middle of the night (witout even really getting clearl answers) or his mother trying to protect him from all this pressure with saying " you don't owe this world a thing". Also clark talking to his dad in the mountains was a heart warming moment.
Thanks for this video, film critics were so hypocrites, this is the best superhero film of the decade. I've seen it 4 times and I'm liking it more and more. The graphics are amazing, specially with batman's suit in the rain. It's a type of movie that you'll see new things going on. The dream sequence was astonishing. I love DC.
I have some things to say: THE MARTHA CONTROVERSY You mentioned something very important. People usually hears critics' tecnical words and then they keep repeating them. The Martha controversy was just something that was spread out like a virus for no reason at all. People forgot that the very first scene in the movie. The true importance of that "Martha" line is because Bruce is becoming the man that killed his mother and also were his father's last word. We also get to see that Bruce experiments some kind of flashback and realizes that he has become someone else that isn't Bruce nor Batman. But people only heard the "critics" and everything became a joke. Is sad that most people only remember the "Martha" scene as a joke and forget everything else in the movie. A SET UP MOVIE As you said, there's a lot of people that says that BVS is a setup movie and that the "setup" was just those minutes with the videos that Bruce sent to Diana. But as always, people seem to don't pay attention to what's happening in the movie. In some of the first sequences in the movie, the introduction of Lex Luthor to be precise, they talk about the Metahumans. We can say that Lex Luthor wanted the Kryptonite to fight against Superman and also wanted a deterrence for the other Metahumans. ULTIMATE EDITION Something that is true is the fact that WB cut so many important scenes from the theatrical version, but the ULTIMATE EDITION, that in my honest opinion is the actual definitive Zack Snyder cut of the movie, is a very complex and well crafted story. BATMAN WAREHOUSE SCENE Bruce offered himself to save Martha because he felt like a way to redeem himself for not saving his own mother when he was a child.
Imagine... Superman is about to stab doomsday and when he gets impaled he also pushes the spear into doomsday saying " Go to sleep go to sleep go to sleep." How idiotic would that be?
As i would say in every video of bvs vs civil war, I'm very late to this thread also. Seriously you're comparing doomsday vs superman and iron man and bruce? They are friends for gods sake..When fighting a serious villain they would never quip.
Thanks god you're here. It's impossible to expect a unbiased opinion from a snyder cultist. The blogger compares iron man caps killcount with superman batmans kill count. Seriously? Captain is an soldier and iron man is former arms dealer the profession where killing doesn't matter. If they had problem with spiderman killing enemies that would make sense. If ever punisher is introduced in MCU they would tell, look batman killed less people than punisher. I could go on but snyder cultists would flood me with verbal abuses.
@@jeyarajramasamy6272yeah that's why I didn't put this video in my Snyder Civil war playlist because it's just biased and just not good. Don't get me wrong they are actually decent defenders about the movie such as duckmilkprod and Brett culp as a few examples but most are just fanboys that can't understand the very idea of an opinion (see most of the comments of hitop films Batman shouldn't kill video).
J'onn J'onzz So this film that defies the rules of a typical comic book movie, ends the same way all comic book movies end, except done worse. A gigantic CGI clusterfuck that had no emotional buildup/stakes, against a villain who randomly appeared with no establishment to kickstart a 3rd act. Give Marvel credit. Their generic bad guys are established as a threat from the beginning.
@@cartoonnetworkdisneyxdsupe6864 it ends by completing two arcs in the movie . Batman becoming a hero again and Superman being accepted by the world. Batman also stops killing and his faith in humanity gets restored as becomes the batman everyone knows. That's new. And that's a good ending. As for doomsday, he looked like a bigger threat than most Marvel villain, if not all. And there's definitely gonna be more of him in the Snyder verse. It's confirmed. And it's clearly hinted in the movie when the computer on the ship says "none will ever AGAIN give life to a deformity like him"
@@cartoonnetworkdisneyxdsupe6864 The Doomsday that we see isn't even the real one, that's why he looks so different, it's just Zod's corpse re-animated and mutated, the real Doomsday is still out there
The "bad CGI" criticism is just plain ignorance. 1 example, I watched BvS in UHD & I saw Doomsday's skin pores. Usually, when movies show CGI skins, they tend to show just plain colour & some shadings to make the skin blends into the environment in the movies. In BvS, the CGI skin of Doomsday even had tiny pores & it also blends well with the environment in the movie. That's detail.
@@plushiesdx I mean, did the haters of BvS ever make the link between this Lex line to Superman : « No flying God came to save me from my father’s fists and abominations » And the fact that a few scenes after, Superman literally saved Lex from the fists of an abomination (Doomsday), showing that Lex was absolutely wrong about Superman ?
@@lupuswarrior6785 no, people just blindly follow a herd. When they suddenly see hating on a certain movie is a trend. They follow and believe it like a herd.
FUN FACT: I love the attention to the smallest details in this movie. Look at the blast in the capitol scene just right here 4:47. You can actually see how the shockwave threw them off.
Personally I thought the movie was terrible, but I'm glad people are enjoying it. I do find it quite unjust for people to brush off criticism as "not understanding" the movie or being a "marvel fanboy" because people are allowed to criticise a film. People are not hypocrites for disliking a movie, because not liking something is completely fine. I thought the movie was dumb, bloated, and bland, and I could name a hundred better movies right now, but if you enjoyed it good for you, I'm glad you got something out of it.
I shit you not, a while ago I heard this one guy criticizing the deaths that Batman caused in BVS and defending the deaths that he caused in Batman 1989 by saying this: "Batman '89 was such a masterpiece that having Batman kill people doesn't bother me, but BVS is so terrible that I can't help but feel that having him kill someone becomes another reason why I dislike this movie so much." Yeah, there are people that think like that. This is a prime example of hypocrisy. And since when do superheroes movies need to be humorous to be good? In that case, The Dark Knight trilogy is awful because it's too serious. Yeah, no. Not all superhero movies need to be humorous. Saying a movie sucks because it's not filled with humor and jokes all the way through is horrible criticism. Great video, dude.
*BvS spends two minutes tops to set up Justice League integrating it into the plot* MCU fanboys : boo the movie has a stupid set up and it's garbage *Black panther and Spider-Man literally appear out of nowhere in Civil war* MCU fanboys : masterpiece 👏👏
I think the issue is that our reveal for the rest of the justice league was through emails rather than their own dedicated stories. Black panther didn’t really show up out of nowhere. A United Nations meeting was happening and being that Wakanda is apart of it, it makes sense that the king who so happens to be black panther would be there. I agree that spider-man appeared for no reason but we were at a point where the marvel universe had been established as a universe, so it was only a matter of time before heroes like Spider-Man started getting involved in the bigger picture. Dc didn’t do the greatest at establishing its universe.
what makes the audience split is the expectation of the people going in to superhero movies. we used to be shoehorned so many superhero movies with jokes, actions, light stories, plain good vs evil, you know, just a fun ride. when people going in to superhero movies like this, many expected the same old formula as the previous superhero movies, turns out what they get is batman v superman. what i think about batman v superman is the movie have so many layers, from the obvious ones to the hidden meaning / easter eggs. people used to turn their brain off and just watch the fun action movie. so they only got the plot points that are too obvious (ex. we all know that lex is the bad guy, the fight between batman and superman, they teaming up to fight doomsday) so they all bored as hell on events that happened between them (not always because they don't understand, more like they don't care) and hoping to God that the movie skip those scenes to get what they expect. this shows on how many people don't understand the meaning behind the whole martha scene. this film wasn't awful, nor messy, just ahead of its time. another precedent : watchmen
Oh man, the butthurt in the comment section. 😂😂😂 BvS is a good movie. Like EVERY comic book movie, it had its flaws, a trite fact that does not bother me. I just hate the unreasonable bashing this movie gets. Haters might as well have sewage pipes for mouths.
Yeah biggest disappoint from Civil War was that there wasn't any thoughts from the ppl of the world on the fighting and the Act the UN set. Instead it was just setup for a family break up. Makes the world feel small.
Much like luke in the last jedi: “how dare you make these characters complex and deep. I want my heroes to be heroes, simple. Dont give them arcs or emotional journeys. Just do the dumb MCU thing.”
Great video man. Sheep will be sheep. Those of us who know, know. Myself and many others were fortunate enough last month to see the director's cut with Zack Snyder in person. It's one of the best superhero films ever made. People didn't know how to intake how deeply rich it is because of the mindless Marvel shit they are so used to.
One of batmans main rules is that he doesn't kill. it's one thing that immediately comes to mind when I think of him but nobody's says "oh captain America the guy who doesn't kill" and a lot of those kills were during wwll.
But the thing is he never directly killed anyone in the movie, he killed in the tim burton one and people still love it , and the no kill rule was only on the cartoons and their comics due to their younger target audience and the nolan movies to stand out from the burton movies
@@godot8694 he directly kills a ton in this movie the warhorse scene he kills for sure 3 people directly he makes a conscious decision to pull the trigger during the batmobile chase scene
@@lupuswarrior6785 There's a difference here psychologically speaking He doesn't go out of his way to kill anyone until Superman. He just shoots back when shot For us it's the same. For him it's not. And this is what matters
The video makes a good point about the killing, but I think you omitted an even worse example of hypocrisy: the fact that Nolan's Batman kills. Say what you will about Donner's Superman, Burton's Batman and The Avengers, but at least they don't say they're against killing people before eventually doing it. Nolan's Batman, on the other hand, prefaces a stance against taking lives in each film in the Dark Knight trilogy, but he breaks his rule anyway without much regret. He says in each film "I'm no executioner", "it separates us from them", "I have one rule" and "no guns, no killing"...and after each time he becomes responsible for people's deaths i.e. Ra's al Ghul, Two-Face, Talia and her truck driver. As a matter of fact, Bruce Wayne had already gotten people killed before becoming Batman, when he burned down the temple that cost the fake Ra's al Ghul and many others ninjas their lives. Fuck, maybe even the guy who Bruce refused to behead too. But despite all of this, we're supposed to believe he's too "incorruptible" to kill the Joker? That's complete and utter nonsense, especially when you consider that the third film shows Batman justifying his decision to kill Ra's al Ghul to Talia - by pointing out that her father wanted to kill millions of innocent people. Yet people still regard Nolan as a brilliant storyteller, and then have the nerve to accuse Snyder of treating the audience like they're idiots? That's both hysterical and hypocritical. Now, some people will try to defend these moments, e.g. "Batman had no choice but to kill Two-Face because Commissioner Gordon's son was going to die, nor did Batman even want to kill him", and my response to that is: you can't have it both ways. You can't say you're against the idea of Batman killing because it makes him no better than the villains, but then say he must kill to save lives. Make a choice, and stick with it. Because if it turns out he's willing to kill to save people, then not only that he doesn't really have a moral code, but there's also no excuse why he couldn't have killed the Joker. Fuck lip service; trying to have it both ways only makes Batman an incompetent hypocrite who doesn't make any sense. Besides, Superman didn't want to kill Zod in Man of Steel either, but that didn't stop him from being derided as a "Man of Murder" by many people, did it? The criticism against Batman killing in BvS would've made a lot more sense if people were disappointed that the film continued the streak in live action. Seriously, we've had seven films in the past directed by Burton, Schumacher and Nolan, but only ONE of them showing us he didn't kill anyone...and that was Batman & Robin. If you're going to condemn BvS because Batman is a killer, then you better condemn all the other Batman films for doing the same thing too.
I absolutely love this video and agree with everything, but there's one thing i kinda need to correct you on. The Batman 'dream' sequence, isn't a dream, it was a look into the actual future and when the future Bruce died, Flash carried out his order and warned the current 'sleeping' Bruce. That's why the papers were flying around when he 'fully' awoke.
In the lead up to BvS I watched a lot of the stuff released about Batman and Superman. From Fliecher to Superman the Movie. From Batman to Man of Steel. There's frequently been a bidy count, some plots were just odd (2 nukes to destroy a coast in a real estate scam, 3 or more people against Batman for revenge). Also I remember how they said that Superman Returns is boring but Man Of Steel is too violent. This movie made me pay attention, so much so that I never left the theater. Civil War I left to use the bathroom twice
Great video, and this is from a 41 year-old Chris Reeve era fan. While I enjoyed the movies greatly, there are issues that man of Steel addressed (BvS to an extent). In Superman 2, as the fight began, citizens stand around and watch the skirmish. Heck one of them was quite literally laughing saying, 'This'll be good!' In reality, such a fight would be possibly deadly to those standing about.
Firstly Zack Snyder is wrong. Batman did not kill the guy in the Dark Knight returns. We don't see the guy get hit all we see is Batman firing a shot and it's confirmed later that he didn't kill him when he says he still hasn't crossed that line. Secondly, peoples aren't saying that all superheroes can't kill, there issue is Batman a character who's no kill rule is at the forefront of many of his stories is killing. It's the same reason why people got mad Spiderman killed people in Endgame
The iron man and captain America points don’t make sense. Captain America is literally a SOLDIER in war. And none of the marvel heroes ever really had a rule against not killing for unnecessary reasons other than Spider-Man. People didn’t like Batman killing bc he is known for not killing people.
Peter once revealed that he joked a lot around villains to annoy them and cope with the stress of being a hero. Batman doesn't joke because he said himself that there's nothing funny about patrolling daily on the rooftops of Gotham trying to catch every killer mugger and rapist out there!
I like the DCEU and the MCU, but at the time when Iron Man killed those terrorists, he didn't have a moral code yet. He was just taking revenge for killing his friend and using his weapons.
And that's a defence? So iron man is excused for killing because he did it intenionally but an angry saddened batman that lost his way isn't an excuse?
I think what Kevin Smith reffers is the personallity and empathy you can have with the characters... I mean... PULP FICTION.. is about dealers, mob bosses, and killers.. but still you can relate with some struggles those dudes have... like Jules Winnfield. who is a killer but you can know about his personality because he is cold, but has style .. and has a deep conflict.. but Superman.. maybe have a really deep conflict.. but they never shown a piece of how he is as a person... a little joke, or piece of Drama for clark kent. In the apartment scene with Lois.. they could add some nice moment.. .. talking about something couples talk... some little joke, maybe eating or walking.. BUT NOPE.. THEY JUST STARE EACH OTHER... (like in twilight) .... I think thats why people like Kevin Smith .. who has wright some drama, would know what he is talking about.
Finally, someone who was able to answer a lot of the unnecessary and hypocritical criticisms the movie has gotten since the movie released. I feel the same way you feel about this movie. I've especially become a huge fan of this movie since the ultimate edition was released, which made it much better. The dumbest criticism to me was Batman killing, despite the fact that this wasn't the first time we've seen batman kill nor was he the first superhero who has ever killed, regardless of whether or not they had reasons for it. People are going to bitch about these movies no matter what, no one will ever appreciate anything you give them regardless of how much effort was put into these movies.
Great video! As has been stated before, most of the criticisms have no basis or legitimacy whatsoever, just detractors grasping at straws to bring down a movie they didn't like.
Exactly! It's okay not to like a movie. And don't get me wrong, some of the criticisms are legitimate. But if you've read the reviews from many of the so-called "professional critics," they're pathetic and disingenuous.
Everything you stated in this video has unfortunately changed in Justice League. I loved MoS and BvS because of the reality of it all and the complexity of the script. For the people that gave it a bad name and tarnished is for being stupid, Dark, gritty and annoying you have completely derailed a very good franchise and now have the cheek to complain about it
While I absolutely adore this film, Snyder's quote about Batman shooting the guy in the head in The Dark Knight Returns is 100% wrong. Miller's art is just so...well...stylish, I guess, that some of the panels are visually confusing. But if you actually pay attention to the story, when the new commissioner puts out a warrant for Batman, murder isn't on of the charges he's wanted for - indicating that he never killed anybody. I had no problems with Batman killing in BvS, but trying to say that Batman already does it in the graphic novel that the movie is primarily based on just isn't correct.
You’re also right about the dream sequence. It’s a DREAM so it’s It not meant to be understood. If it links up with what we see in future movies then great! It’s a dream!
none of marvel heroes have a distinct no killing rule. they just avoid it when they can. also cap is in a war... with nazis... batman's defining feature is that he has a no killing code. that's what defines him.
No. It's the fact that canonically, Batman doesn't kill. Snyder read one comic, and based his movie off it. He took one scene from the comic where he doesn't even kill, and ruined an entire character because of it. Iron Man isn't against killing. Captain America isn't against killing. And Reeves and Keaton killing are wrong too. Superman and Batman shouldn't kill. It's not hypocrisy. It's common knowledge.
@@zhengyingli Superman and batman kill in comics where the writer's don't even understand the Characters. just like how synder doesn't understand the Characters.
Plus? I would argue that the reason with the Martha name thing was because not only did it caught batman off guard, but it put him in the moment of when his parents were killed reliving it again in his head, only to realize that he’s the the one that’s putting his parents at gun point making him realize that he’s no better than the man that killed his parents.
Dude you like the movie. Congratulations, would you like a cookie? Just because people have certain problems with things that you don't doesn't make them invalid. Also, Tony Stark killing people makes sense for his character. Batman killing people does not, you know, cause his whole "no killing" thing. Secondly, Avengers was made in 2011, BvS was made in 2016 with a huge budget (not saying Avengers didn't get a large budget as well) so BvS had no right to have CGI that looks like it came from 2011. Also, you're gonna tell me that a whole fight is ended because someone says "Martha"? With that being said, I did enjoy the movie. I myself thought it was decent, there are criticisms I believe it doesn't deserve. However, I'm not a fan of Zack Snyder, cause he's basically Emo Michael Bay.
don’t get what people hate BVS. I really enjoyed the movie, the fact that Batman was able to hack Luther and uncover Cryptonite to strategically defeat the Man of Steel was freaking awesome to watch, followed by Luther bringing Zod back but under deformed conditions, and Superman death at the end made that movie a classic.
Haha. Iron man kills a guy who broke his friend's sister's watch. That's how Iron man is. Captain America is soldier who kills. But Batman doesn't kill.
Jaiswal Siddharth Batman killed with guns frequently during the golden age. Keaton blew up the crooks in a chemical plant, dropped one of Joker's henchmen from a tower, strapped a bomb to a crook with a smile, etc. Kilmer blew up several cars with crooks still in them. Bale killed members of the League of Shadow by blowing up their base, pushed Harvey Dent to his death, etc. Batman has always killed.
Tony stark's kill count of living beings (human or otherwise) is around 70000 arcording to cinema blend and the joker has a small 2000 and above. That gap is scary.
you are 99% correct...except the 'I believe you' scene. In The Dark Knight Returns actually does not shot the bad guy, he blank fired and kicked him unconcious. Zack was wrong about that one. Anyway the movie was awesome though.
That was the point though. In the end, he and Gordon keep the "hope" alive in Gotham. But to save Gordon's son and to hide Harvey's crimes he's forced to break his rule and kill Two-Face. In the end, he "became the villain" just as Harvey have predicted. In the end, the three heroes of the story all become the bad guys. Harvey turns evil, Batman breaks his rule and Gordon covers up everything. That was the whole point of killing Harvey. It's a double-edged sword. Batman does the right thing by saving Gordon's son and allowing the hope in Gotham to continue but cripples his morals in the process. The end of the movie represents that, Batman realises he has to be the villain for Gotham's true hope to continue. That's why he goes into hiding. Batman isn't needed anymore. He's the villain now. Until The Dark Knight Rises that is. The murder was to represent Batman's sacrifice. He had to kill Harvey and as punishment told Gordon to set the cops on him and to make him public enemy number 1.
the only two things I didn't like at all and I also hated was all jesse eisenberg did with the character...in my mind that's not lex luthor or even what the movie wants me to take.."luthor jr"...just watch smallville...there's the luthor I wanted to see in this movie...and the martha scene in my mind could have been better but It's ok, I think that with all the memes it went bigger than it should have been
Great video...you made some good points, I agree that Henry Cavill is a better SUPERMAN than Christopher Reeve(that SUPERMAN broke the hand and killed a powerless Zod, he was not even fighting against a whole invasion attacking earth...rather,only the 3 stooges from Krypton, He get his ass kicked by a regular man(not BATMAN)on a BAR riot, and SUPERMAN2 is full of shameless product placemrnt like CocaCola or Marlboro)but people preefer Reeve because of the Nostalgia factor... Man of Steel was awesome and I also liked Batman v Superman(peole saying that they wanted an adaptation of the death of Superman, with a ridiculous colourfull funeral full of superheros... don't know how mediocre that comic was)....also the "Martha" rant isn't justificated(it may be a little bit forced but it's on the narrative of the movie... BATMAN considered KalEL a monster...but also feared to become a monster himself...so when he realizes that Clark Kent has a human mother like him he realizes of his mistake) For me it is much more stupid how Tony Stark shows his trauma and psycologic issues by showing his memories to a full group of students on a conference...wtf?.... (Plus the convinient filmation of Winter Soldier killing the Starks to re start a fight between Capt.America and Ironman that was already over at that point) And in the same movie (CivilWar)they throw in your face the colaterall damage of a lost after 2 Avengers movies in wich it was never said or show that any civil population died(at least DC has the balls to show something that would be logic on a confrontation of that scale insteard of taking it out of nowhere)
I agree on almost everything, except for one moment where you mention that after the Martha scene we get the Batman we've been longing for. I think that doesn't happen right away because, well, he kills everyone in the warehouse. I think Batman becomes the more classical Batman after Superman dies
I understand how someone that's not too familiar with film would mistake this for being exceptional, but this is a classic case of enjoying a flawed film and trying to rationalize it. You can enjoy this film, but don't pretend everyone else is wrong about it. You keep bringing marvel into this, soI'm guessing you're not too fond of them. I don't really care but marvel has a much better track record than the DCEU does right now. See a film has these things called plot, balance, characters (notice how I didn't say caricatures), establishing shots; you know not just cutting from closeup to closeup in different locations. I'll admit that age of Ultron is a flawed movie, but at least it gets the fundamentals of storytelling and cinematography done correctly. Nonetheless, it is flawed, and most marvel fans will agree; what bothers me about you DCEU fans is that you refuse to accept that your movies are anything below absolute perfection. It's a movie about a man who dresses like a bat to scare criminals that fight an alien from another planet who's allergic to green rocks. I wouldn't mind that premise if it wasn't so fucking awfully executed in this movie. The dark knight returns is a fantastic comic, but as your beloved Zack Snyder said himself he wanted to tell his own story, and we've all seen how that turned out, thanks Zack. But I'm just a biased Marvel fanboy aren't I? No. I just enjoy decently crafted films. You can tell yourself that this is a well-edited action movie but it's mediocre at best. Showing blood in a pg-13 movie isn't impressive, hell I've seen more brutal actions scenes in TV shows than in this movie. If you want to see a well-done action scene watch fights from "the raid" or god forbid I say it Netflix's "Daredevil", but that's Marvel and apparently they can't make things nearly as "deep" as Zack Snyder. I may seem a little worked up, and that's because I'm honestly a bit insulted by this video's existence. Literally, your description reads "haters gonna hate...!" (Also great job on punctuation there, three periods and THEN an exclamation mark, how could you be any more subtle?) The whole point of this video's existence is to showcase why everyone else is wrong and you are right. Genius... You're right we're all wrong, all the critics, all the fans, the whole fucking world! I underestimated your genius, you clearly understand this film on a much deeper level than the rest of us. That computer scene where wonder woman opens a bunch of computer files with the fucking emblems on them, is that some sort of fucking genius I'm missing there? Did Lex Luthor take the time to design all of their costumes while he was at it? I'll give you this, you successfully made a video where a bunch of BVS fans with a superiority factor can successfully jack each other off and feel good about themselves, I just wanted to interrupt your premature orgasms with some rationality.
Since you interrupted my premature orgasm, I figured I might as well respond. I'll admit I was overwhelmed by your rationality. I give you credit for not mentioning that the movie sucked because Batman killed. For that, you are officially not a hater despite your criticisms and you get a gold star from me. In all seriousness, was BvS flawed? Absolutely! Were the criticisms against BvS fair? Some yes, some no. Was it everybody's cup of tea? Of course not. I watched the Ultimate Edition a few weeks ago, and for the first 20 minutes (the Lois desert rescue scene), I was completely engaged. But alas, it didn't have your funny Tony Stark quips, the drama/thriller won't appeal to your average 12 year old, and your cool superhero action scenes weren't there up to that point. Sorry that adult superhero movies don't appeal to you. I for one, could care less about Ant Man 2 which may be more to your liking. (Though I'm extremely looking forward to Thor 3. I think this one will finally be great!)
Sure, let's count kills made during WWII and try to expose Stark as a hypocrite when I don't remember him vowing not to kill. Meanwhile most versions of Batman show him having an aversion to killing, and even with explanations as to why he doesn't simply kill Joker if he causes so much damage to Gotham.
Iron Man and Captain America never had a no-killing rule. Iron Man is a dick, and those murders in those movies were very disturbing, and showed some levels of Islamophobia; but that has zero to do with Batman. Also, Captain America is a SOLDIER.
Charley Newman captain America movie he said to the doctor I don't want to kill anyone I don't like bullies .... hypocritical or what Tony gave up his weapons because it's killing people due to his own hands and weapon yet his own hand and weapons s kills people LOL
Correction, Cap said he don't want to kill anyone doesn't mean he is obligated to any no-killing rule. He is soldier, from WW2, and soldiers are generally subject and subjected to killing. Correction, Tony "shut down" Stark Industries' weapons manufacturing division because he was afraid his weapons would end up in the wrong hand, so he made the suit to clean up the mess he unintentionally caused.
I would listen to your points about how this isn't a bad a movie as everyone makes it out to be if you didn't make so many irrelevant comments about marvel movies. Batman v Superman is a bad movies for most of the things you tried to justify in this video so making remarks about marvel movies has no importance other than to so your dislike for those movies which nobody wants to here about. Your one of the people that has turned the comic book genre into a fan war between Marvel and DC.
Your ignorant Look at the title of the vedio He is makin points to oppose the hipocracy The title is not "why bvs is a masterpiece" If that was the title ur comment is valid Thats not the case here So ya......
Dude you are exactly right. I don't even know what is there to hate.??? Wtf would I hate this masterpiece that is so real? Fools be like "BvS is shit".. and you really exploited Marvel like a Good dude.... Congratulations on a well made video
Jay b The MCU doesn't really follow true to the comics, Civil War wasnt that great, the villains aren't really villains, I pretty much dont feel any sense of urgency if the characters might die.
BvS was really fun and Ioved it. The main problem with this movie is how the fight between Batman and superman just ended and they're suddenly friends just by saying "Martha". But everything else about this movie was great. And thank you for adressing the hate
I just watched the extended cut of the movie and I loved it and the points you made are some of the reasons why I love this movie and also shows how comic fans (some, not all) can be hypocritical, toxic and blind to nostalgia
What pisses me off is that WB constantly cuts out important scenes that help make sense.
Callan Woods While I find a lot of these criticisms retarded, I agree that the theatrical cut really missed key scenes that should've been there. One major point was that Superman could not see through the guy's wheelchair before the bomb went off because the wheelchair was lined to lead. This was explained in the extended cut. The extended cut elevates this movie quite a lot.
Miller CH3 But then you should understand why it was cut
Casanova Frankenstein What pisses me off is that Snyder seems to think his audience is so dumb they will just accept any nonsense because they saw some comic book panels randomly shat onto the screen with no rhyme or reason.
WoodyWoods428 Yeah. There was a good movie hidden in there somewhere. But the way they structured the "plot" it was just boring filler and nonsensical contrivances in order to get to the next money shot. I'm glad some people liked it. If I can engage with the characters plotholes usually don't bother me but we just got to spend no time with our heros. And whenever they did get to say anything it was stilted exposition so far removed from actual human behavior it was kinda absurd. A sad day that was.
Made perfect sense to me
I don't get the "no Humor " complain... Alfred got me laugh loads of time, Bruce had his funny moments on the party, or in the museum with Diana and so on...
@Wednesday People are hard to please. They want forced jokes. Ones that come every 5 secs
@John Smith in your dreams Alfred
Simple minded people want simply humor. This movie is not for them . Lol
Marvel gets a pass for the same things DC gets hammered for.
Because marvel has lots of humor and winks at the audience. People dont wanna take anything seriously.
@John Smith - That's fine. 😌☕ **takes a sip**
Let them enjoy their "Ralph Boehner" jokes & the PG-13 Blade franchise that Disney-fied Marvel is gonna serve 'em. 🤭😝 LMAOO
We getting our #Snyderverse over here!!!
@@KabbalahSherry Bro about this 'Ralph Bohner' thing. This was revealed in the finale of the show which was rated 88 percent on rotten tomatoes. And BvS is rated 28 percent. Now the thing is I believe there is always a specific point in a movie or a show which displeases the critics the most. Let's say for BvS it was the Martha scene which they gave the reason for disliking because it was something they never realised (that Batman and Superman's mothers shared the same name) and this realisation pulled them out of the serious tone of the movie. Now the thing is I believe that they slaughtered BvS for that. But I believe it was overkill. Because a similar thing happens with the 'Bohner' incident. Wandavision despite its sitcom type light natured premise, it was a fairly serious show. I mean it dealt with serious topic like grieving. And then in its third act, just like BvS, there was a scene that must have pulled critics out. The Bohner scene. But they did not bash it hard enough. Hell, it wasn't even seriously talked about. I mean you literally bring an alternate universe actor into your universe only for a dick joke. It should have offended fans and critics as much as BvS once did. But the outrage was fairly passive. And this I feel is extremely unfair.
There are a couple of things about Batman in this film that nobody seems to get:
1-He never escalates. every time he ups the ante in the batmobile chase it is because the guys he was fighting did so first. He only breaks out the guns when they break out the minigun and rpgs.
2-He never directly kills anyone. He could have easily aimed his guns AT the mooks shooting the minigun. Instead he shoots out the wheels of the truck. He's still not aiming for fatalities, he's just more careless about them. EVEN KGBEAST may be able to survive the explosion.
3-YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO LIKE ANY OF THIS. This is to show how close to the edge he is. It's a bad thing. Hence why he no longer brands people at the end of the film. It's called character development. The film respects batman enough to let him be wrong. His whole arc is about showing how without superman, by being constantly alone, he would eventually have snapped.
To this day I want to think KGBeast still lives and is now wearing a mask adapted from the comic books to cover his burns up.
@@hugoalynstephens9166 i 2nd that. If crossbones lives in CW. KGBeast lives
I call bullshit on reasons 2 and 3
2 because he literally pulled the trigger to shoot at people. He KNEW they were gonna die if he shoots at the car, or a gas tank. He intentionally shot them. He killed them, and it wouldn't be so glaring if people stopped trying that bullshit excuse. This Batman is the Punisher, just live with it, own it, not pussy foot around it.
And 3. Oh I'm not suppose to like him. Well that's fine and dandy, tell me, who am I supposed to like? Crybaby man? WW who's barely in this? Oh I know, how about Jimmy Olsen? You know...Supermans pal that he let die at the start of the movie.
If you don't make your characters likable, relatable, or even redeemable, the audience won't care.
@@Tomha Did you like Thor at first when you watched Thor 1? Well I know I didn't. He was arrogant and he looked down on people. He changed to become a better person. That's called character development. Even Iron Man had his. Billionaire playboy who doesn't give a shit about anyone. Hulk, a raging beast later able to control his emotions.
And we saw the same thing in BvS. Batman was a cold blooded killer. The Martha scene was his redemption. Supermans sacrifice also redeemed him. He could have branded Lex, but he chose not to. So he's no longer judge and executioner.
@@diegoclark7697 But they had personality, didn't they? Yeah Thor was pretty flawed in the beginning, but he clearly meant well, he was a haughty brute who liked to throw his weight around, but it was very clear that he wasn't a bad person. Yeah character development is natural, and typically good, but if we don't care about the man? Why should we care about his development?
Batman before CD was just a serial killer who was really paranoid. His CD is bullshit, we're suppose to ignore the fact that he's a mass murderer just because? Oh but Martha was his redemption, oh yes, fantastic work, you killed half a dozen men, and literally let a man BURN to death to save 1 elderly woman, an old windbag who's son you were obsessed with murdering. Yep, instant good guy status.
OH but Superman's very pointless death redeems him. HOW!? How does that make him go from The Grim Knight, to a more traditional Batman? Infact, they don't even explain it, they don't show, they don't tell. He just randomly discards his firearms and picks up a Batarang and acts as a completely different person. The guy makes the lunatic on Split look consistent.
There's Character Development, and then there's replacing the character entirely.
Thor was a spoiled brat with an ego at the start of Thor, he had his flaws, but he had development that remained consistent with his person, and the situation involving him. He didn't just drop his bad traits, he shed them in a sensible, realistic pace, had support. The Marvel characters you listed, we got to witness their transformation (except Hulk, a big chunk of that was in between films.)
Lack of humor??? Alfred in BvS is comedy GOLD
陳冠任 I didn’t laugh once
Top 5 Cartoon bcoz you might like tony's stupid comedy..
Nishyank Patel how every time I say I don’t like a DC movie people assume I like MCU movies stupid humour, I find them hit and miss sometimes they’re hilarious other times it’s shit, *looking at you first line of Age of Ultron* I didn’t say I never laughed once in the movie, intentionally, Laurence Fishburne was fucking hilarious as Perry White.
That batman fight scene was truly the best fight scene in a movie ever.
Ever seen John Wick?
@@JDP2104 best comic book fight.
@@DivvayKhatri It's one of them, but I still think tha th title belongs to the high way battle in the winter soldier
@@JDP2104 the highway fight scene is very well choreographed but not very well directed. It contains some ( only some ) quick cuts that don't allow you to follow the action. This is not there in the elevator scene in winter Soldier. So they sort of compensate but as an overall, this fight scene is almost perfect in all the aspects.
What about Oldboy?
"Heavenly God, Creator of Heaven and Earth... Have mercy on my soul..." broke my heart in a way very few films ever have. ngl
"People hate what they don't understand"
warner brothers should stop interfering in the post production stages let all directors tell they're own story ... let it be their own vision
I'm one of the biggest Marvel (comic books) fans around, but even I had to call BS of most of the complaints against recent DC movies. For example, I thought that Man of Steel was/is one of the best told/filmed Superman stories ever. It just made sense. I've also come to realize that critics of late have been too critical or nitpicky of late. If they aren't just outright being bought to give good reviews.
The only problem I've ever had with DC mostly had to do with Batman fans thinking that Batman can beat anyone with prep as if no one else gets prep either. :D Other than that, I enjoy both Marvel and DC comics and movies. Marvel just happens to have my favorite character Spider-Man.
Dat DarkOne agree with you on all!
FINALLY a marvel fan that ISN'T a troll
Man of Steel is what made me a Superman fan
@@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470 bvs is what made me a Superman fan
@@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470 SAME
to the "no heart" argument:
I think you even missed out on some things like, superman calling his mother in the middle of the night (witout even really getting clearl answers) or his mother trying to protect him from all this pressure with saying " you don't owe this world a thing".
Also clark talking to his dad in the mountains was a heart warming moment.
Thanks for this video, film critics were so hypocrites, this is the best superhero film of the decade. I've seen it 4 times and I'm liking it more and more. The graphics are amazing, specially with batman's suit in the rain. It's a type of movie that you'll see new things going on. The dream sequence was astonishing. I love DC.
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@@JDP2104 add man of steel to that list. And tdkr is not the best but it manages to provide a better ending to a trilogy than endgame to a franchise.
@@DivvayKhatri yeah you're right
@@asif9543 there's nothing funny lol
I have some things to say:
THE MARTHA CONTROVERSY
You mentioned something very important. People usually hears critics' tecnical words and then they keep repeating them. The Martha controversy was just something that was spread out like a virus for no reason at all. People forgot that the very first scene in the movie. The true importance of that "Martha" line is because Bruce is becoming the man that killed his mother and also were his father's last word. We also get to see that Bruce experiments some kind of flashback and realizes that he has become someone else that isn't Bruce nor Batman. But people only heard the "critics" and everything became a joke. Is sad that most people only remember the "Martha" scene as a joke and forget everything else in the movie.
A SET UP MOVIE
As you said, there's a lot of people that says that BVS is a setup movie and that the "setup" was just those minutes with the videos that Bruce sent to Diana. But as always, people seem to don't pay attention to what's happening in the movie. In some of the first sequences in the movie, the introduction of Lex Luthor to be precise, they talk about the Metahumans. We can say that Lex Luthor wanted the Kryptonite to fight against Superman and also wanted a deterrence for the other Metahumans.
ULTIMATE EDITION
Something that is true is the fact that WB cut so many important scenes from the theatrical version, but the ULTIMATE EDITION, that in my honest opinion is the actual definitive Zack Snyder cut of the movie, is a very complex and well crafted story.
BATMAN WAREHOUSE SCENE
Bruce offered himself to save Martha because he felt like a way to redeem himself for not saving his own mother when he was a child.
Imagine... Superman is about to stab doomsday and when he gets impaled he also pushes the spear into doomsday saying " Go to sleep go to sleep go to sleep." How idiotic would that be?
In the hulk vs iron Man fight it wasn't a life and death situation. While superman vs doomsday though...
As i would say in every video of bvs vs civil war, I'm very late to this thread also. Seriously you're comparing doomsday vs superman and iron man and bruce? They are friends for gods sake..When fighting a serious villain they would never quip.
@@jeyarajramasamy6272 I think this is just a poor excuse to trash on the mcu because "it's not serious"
Thanks god you're here. It's impossible to expect a unbiased opinion from a snyder cultist. The blogger compares iron man caps killcount with superman batmans kill count. Seriously? Captain is an soldier and iron man is former arms dealer the profession where killing doesn't matter. If they had problem with spiderman killing enemies that would make sense. If ever punisher is introduced in MCU they would tell, look batman killed less people than punisher.
I could go on but snyder cultists would flood me with verbal abuses.
@@jeyarajramasamy6272yeah that's why I didn't put this video in my Snyder Civil war playlist because it's just biased and just not good. Don't get me wrong they are actually decent defenders about the movie such as duckmilkprod and Brett culp as a few examples but most are just fanboys that can't understand the very idea of an opinion (see most of the comments of hitop films Batman shouldn't kill video).
most of people just didn't ready for this kind of CBM . .. because all we've seen are MCU kind of movies .. .
With forced comedy and spoon feeding of simple plot
J'onn J'onzz So this film that defies the rules of a typical comic book movie, ends the same way all comic book movies end, except done worse. A gigantic CGI clusterfuck that had no emotional buildup/stakes, against a villain who randomly appeared with no establishment to kickstart a 3rd act. Give Marvel credit. Their generic bad guys are established as a threat from the beginning.
@@cartoonnetworkdisneyxdsupe6864 it ends by completing two arcs in the movie .
Batman becoming a hero again and Superman being accepted by the world. Batman also stops killing and his faith in humanity gets restored as becomes the batman everyone knows.
That's new. And that's a good ending.
As for doomsday, he looked like a bigger threat than most Marvel villain, if not all. And there's definitely gonna be more of him in the Snyder verse. It's confirmed. And it's clearly hinted in the movie when the computer on the ship says "none will ever AGAIN give life to a deformity like him"
@@cartoonnetworkdisneyxdsupe6864 The Doomsday that we see isn't even the real one, that's why he looks so different, it's just Zod's corpse re-animated and mutated, the real Doomsday is still out there
Smh people really want superman to smile when people be dying around him
😂
A good video. 👍
This was a masterpiece of a movie. Love B v S.
The "bad CGI" criticism is just plain ignorance. 1 example, I watched BvS in UHD & I saw Doomsday's skin pores. Usually, when movies show CGI skins, they tend to show just plain colour & some shadings to make the skin blends into the environment in the movies. In BvS, the CGI skin of Doomsday even had tiny pores & it also blends well with the environment in the movie. That's detail.
Thank you!
Film Gob LOL! Is this Shorty?
Film Gob Which idiots actually said that killing ruined BvS?? Lol
People hate what they don't understand..
Yep, though a movie should be understandable
@@plushiesdx BvS is perfectly understandable. You just have to switch on your brain, and pay attention to the plot...
@@plushiesdx I mean, did the haters of BvS ever make the link between this Lex line to Superman :
« No flying God came to save me from my father’s fists and abominations »
And the fact that a few scenes after, Superman literally saved Lex from the fists of an abomination (Doomsday), showing that Lex was absolutely wrong about Superman ?
People hate shitty movies
@@lupuswarrior6785 no, people just blindly follow a herd. When they suddenly see hating on a certain movie is a trend. They follow and believe it like a herd.
FUN FACT: I love the attention to the smallest details in this movie. Look at the blast in the capitol scene just right here 4:47. You can actually see how the shockwave threw them off.
Personally I thought the movie was terrible, but I'm glad people are enjoying it. I do find it quite unjust for people to brush off criticism as "not understanding" the movie or being a "marvel fanboy" because people are allowed to criticise a film. People are not hypocrites for disliking a movie, because not liking something is completely fine. I thought the movie was dumb, bloated, and bland, and I could name a hundred better movies right now, but if you enjoyed it good for you, I'm glad you got something out of it.
@Hazries45 when did Adam west Batman kill!? 😂
Finally, some one who speaks English.
THANK YOU SO MUCH . This movie is so misunderstood in pop culture . It’s like people go in wanting to hate it . You hit it right on the spot , man .
I shit you not, a while ago I heard this one guy criticizing the deaths that Batman caused in BVS and defending the deaths that he caused in Batman 1989 by saying this:
"Batman '89 was such a masterpiece that having Batman kill people doesn't bother me, but BVS is so terrible that I can't help but feel that having him kill someone becomes another reason why I dislike this movie so much."
Yeah, there are people that think like that. This is a prime example of hypocrisy.
And since when do superheroes movies need to be humorous to be good? In that case, The Dark Knight trilogy is awful because it's too serious. Yeah, no. Not all superhero movies need to be humorous. Saying a movie sucks because it's not filled with humor and jokes all the way through is horrible criticism.
Great video, dude.
*BvS spends two minutes tops to set up Justice League integrating it into the plot*
MCU fanboys : boo the movie has a stupid set up and it's garbage
*Black panther and Spider-Man literally appear out of nowhere in Civil war*
MCU fanboys : masterpiece 👏👏
Exactly
I think the issue is that our reveal for the rest of the justice league was through emails rather than their own dedicated stories.
Black panther didn’t really show up out of nowhere. A United Nations meeting was happening and being that Wakanda is apart of it, it makes sense that the king who so happens to be black panther would be there.
I agree that spider-man appeared for no reason but we were at a point where the marvel universe had been established as a universe, so it was only a matter of time before heroes like Spider-Man started getting involved in the bigger picture.
Dc didn’t do the greatest at establishing its universe.
@@dejrock5466 Yeah that scene was badly implemented
But the outrage over it was overblown
what makes the audience split is the expectation of the people going in to superhero movies. we used to be shoehorned so many superhero movies with jokes, actions, light stories, plain good vs evil, you know, just a fun ride. when people going in to superhero movies like this, many expected the same old formula as the previous superhero movies, turns out what they get is batman v superman.
what i think about batman v superman is the movie have so many layers, from the obvious ones to the hidden meaning / easter eggs. people used to turn their brain off and just watch the fun action movie. so they only got the plot points that are too obvious (ex. we all know that lex is the bad guy, the fight between batman and superman, they teaming up to fight doomsday) so they all bored as hell on events that happened between them (not always because they don't understand, more like they don't care) and hoping to God that the movie skip those scenes to get what they expect. this shows on how many people don't understand the meaning behind the whole martha scene.
this film wasn't awful, nor messy, just ahead of its time. another precedent : watchmen
"MISSED ME DOOMSDAY? *demonic laugh* "
Oh man, the butthurt in the comment section. 😂😂😂
BvS is a good movie. Like EVERY comic book movie, it had its flaws, a trite fact that does not bother me. I just hate the unreasonable bashing this movie gets. Haters might as well have sewage pipes for mouths.
What flaw? Which version?
i like the marvel movies but the lack of reality spoils it somtimes, dc movies show you what it would be like if super humans actuly existed
I wholeheartedly agree.
Where would we be without the tasteful immersive luxury of Turkish Airlines in our movies?
Exactly
Yeah biggest disappoint from Civil War was that there wasn't any thoughts from the ppl of the world on the fighting and the Act the UN set. Instead it was just setup for a family break up. Makes the world feel small.
lyon Kerry, exactly.
6 years later, and all the points made in this video are still accurate to this day.
#Restorethesnyderverse
I'll take DC movie over a marvel movie any day.
Same same same. Any f**king day. Those retards destroyed endgame in so so so many ways ...
Same
You have my respect...
Batman vs Superman Warehouse scene > everything in MCU
No. Just no.
Mojo Khan Hahaha! Good one
nah
the fight scenes between Cap and Winter Soldier in ap 2 alone are better choreographed than any DC movie(yes,counting non-DCEU movies too)
Captain ameica sucks, and his movies too
Much like luke in the last jedi: “how dare you make these characters complex and deep. I want my heroes to be heroes, simple. Dont give them arcs or emotional journeys. Just do the dumb MCU thing.”
10:32 This is exactly what we got with Justice League and look how it went :)
The majority of fans don't know what they want.
Great video man. Sheep will be sheep. Those of us who know, know. Myself and many others were fortunate enough last month to see the director's cut with Zack Snyder in person. It's one of the best superhero films ever made. People didn't know how to intake how deeply rich it is because of the mindless Marvel shit they are so used to.
Even though marvel is far from mindless blockbusters made for kids despite Snyder fanboys beliefs.
Thank you....these haters don't get to own the dialogue .
One of batmans main rules is that he doesn't kill. it's one thing that immediately comes to mind when I think of him but nobody's says "oh captain America the guy who doesn't kill" and a lot of those kills were during wwll.
But the thing is he never directly killed anyone in the movie, he killed in the tim burton one and people still love it , and the no kill rule was only on the cartoons and their comics due to their younger target audience and the nolan movies to stand out from the burton movies
@@godot8694 yeah but he still sticks to the no kill rule even I the adult comics but I still agree that no one complains about the burton films
@@godot8694 he directly kills a ton in this movie the warhorse scene he kills for sure 3 people directly he makes a conscious decision to pull the trigger during the batmobile chase scene
@@lupuswarrior6785 There's a difference here psychologically speaking
He doesn't go out of his way to kill anyone until Superman. He just shoots back when shot
For us it's the same. For him it's not. And this is what matters
The video makes a good point about the killing, but I think you omitted an even worse example of hypocrisy: the fact that Nolan's Batman kills. Say what you will about Donner's Superman, Burton's Batman and The Avengers, but at least they don't say they're against killing people before eventually doing it.
Nolan's Batman, on the other hand, prefaces a stance against taking lives in each film in the Dark Knight trilogy, but he breaks his rule anyway without much regret. He says in each film "I'm no executioner", "it separates us from them", "I have one rule" and "no guns, no killing"...and after each time he becomes responsible for people's deaths i.e. Ra's al Ghul, Two-Face, Talia and her truck driver. As a matter of fact, Bruce Wayne had already gotten people killed before becoming Batman, when he burned down the temple that cost the fake Ra's al Ghul and many others ninjas their lives. Fuck, maybe even the guy who Bruce refused to behead too.
But despite all of this, we're supposed to believe he's too "incorruptible" to kill the Joker? That's complete and utter nonsense, especially when you consider that the third film shows Batman justifying his decision to kill Ra's al Ghul to Talia - by pointing out that her father wanted to kill millions of innocent people. Yet people still regard Nolan as a brilliant storyteller, and then have the nerve to accuse Snyder of treating the audience like they're idiots? That's both hysterical and hypocritical.
Now, some people will try to defend these moments, e.g. "Batman had no choice but to kill Two-Face because Commissioner Gordon's son was going to die, nor did Batman even want to kill him", and my response to that is: you can't have it both ways. You can't say you're against the idea of Batman killing because it makes him no better than the villains, but then say he must kill to save lives. Make a choice, and stick with it. Because if it turns out he's willing to kill to save people, then not only that he doesn't really have a moral code, but there's also no excuse why he couldn't have killed the Joker. Fuck lip service; trying to have it both ways only makes Batman an incompetent hypocrite who doesn't make any sense. Besides, Superman didn't want to kill Zod in Man of Steel either, but that didn't stop him from being derided as a "Man of Murder" by many people, did it?
The criticism against Batman killing in BvS would've made a lot more sense if people were disappointed that the film continued the streak in live action. Seriously, we've had seven films in the past directed by Burton, Schumacher and Nolan, but only ONE of them showing us he didn't kill anyone...and that was Batman & Robin. If you're going to condemn BvS because Batman is a killer, then you better condemn all the other Batman films for doing the same thing too.
My man!
I absolutely love this video and agree with everything, but there's one thing i kinda need to correct you on. The Batman 'dream' sequence, isn't a dream, it was a look into the actual future and when the future Bruce died, Flash carried out his order and warned the current 'sleeping' Bruce. That's why the papers were flying around when he 'fully' awoke.
In the lead up to BvS I watched a lot of the stuff released about Batman and Superman. From Fliecher to Superman the Movie. From Batman to Man of Steel. There's frequently been a bidy count, some plots were just odd (2 nukes to destroy a coast in a real estate scam, 3 or more people against Batman for revenge). Also I remember how they said that Superman Returns is boring but Man Of Steel is too violent. This movie made me pay attention, so much so that I never left the theater. Civil War I left to use the bathroom twice
100% agreed man
I love DC’s comic like fight scenes and how they move and jump
It actually looks superhuman
This take on Lex is from the fabulous Superman: Birthright story
❤ I revisit this video everytime people trash this masterpiece.
Great video, and this is from a 41 year-old Chris Reeve era fan. While I enjoyed the movies greatly, there are issues that man of Steel addressed (BvS to an extent). In Superman 2, as the fight began, citizens stand around and watch the skirmish. Heck one of them was quite literally laughing saying, 'This'll be good!'
In reality, such a fight would be possibly deadly to those standing about.
My Man!
Firstly Zack Snyder is wrong. Batman did not kill the guy in the Dark Knight returns. We don't see the guy get hit all we see is Batman firing a shot and it's confirmed later that he didn't kill him when he says he still hasn't crossed that line. Secondly, peoples aren't saying that all superheroes can't kill, there issue is Batman a character who's no kill rule is at the forefront of many of his stories is killing. It's the same reason why people got mad Spiderman killed people in Endgame
Oh my God, this essay is SLAP on the haters' face xD Sweet.
aditi013 this “essay” just makes haters of the movie facepalm
@@bazinga743 This just proves how much bvs fanboys are grasping straws of making a good point.
The iron man and captain America points don’t make sense. Captain America is literally a SOLDIER in war. And none of the marvel heroes ever really had a rule against not killing for unnecessary reasons other than Spider-Man. People didn’t like Batman killing bc he is known for not killing people.
I never read the reviews (most of the time) and I loved this movie when I saw it twice.
Peter once revealed that he joked a lot around villains to annoy them and cope with the stress of being a hero. Batman doesn't joke because he said himself that there's nothing funny about patrolling daily on the rooftops of Gotham trying to catch every killer mugger and rapist out there!
I like the DCEU and the MCU, but at the time when Iron Man killed those terrorists, he didn't have a moral code yet. He was just taking revenge for killing his friend and using his weapons.
And that's a defence? So iron man is excused for killing because he did it intenionally but an angry saddened batman that lost his way isn't an excuse?
The warehouse part was awesome.
People hate what they don’t understand..
I think what Kevin Smith reffers is the personallity and empathy you can have with the characters... I mean... PULP FICTION.. is about dealers, mob bosses, and killers.. but still you can relate with some struggles those dudes have... like Jules Winnfield. who is a killer but you can know about his personality because he is cold, but has style .. and has a deep conflict.. but Superman.. maybe have a really deep conflict.. but they never shown a piece of how he is as a person... a little joke, or piece of Drama for clark kent. In the apartment scene with Lois.. they could add some nice moment.. .. talking about something couples talk... some little joke, maybe eating or walking.. BUT NOPE.. THEY JUST STARE EACH OTHER... (like in twilight) .... I think thats why people like Kevin Smith .. who has wright some drama, would know what he is talking about.
Finally, someone who was able to answer a lot of the unnecessary and hypocritical criticisms the movie has gotten since the movie released. I feel the same way you feel about this movie. I've especially become a huge fan of this movie since the ultimate edition was released, which made it much better. The dumbest criticism to me was Batman killing, despite the fact that this wasn't the first time we've seen batman kill nor was he the first superhero who has ever killed, regardless of whether or not they had reasons for it. People are going to bitch about these movies no matter what, no one will ever appreciate anything you give them regardless of how much effort was put into these movies.
I watched the Ultimate Edition and like you, I loved the movie even more.
Steve and Nat just witnessed Batman blowing up a guy.
The setup had almost nothing to do with the plot in the movie, while in GotG it's woven naturally in and is a huge part of the plot
You hit the nail on the head with every one of these talking points, sir! Well done! 👍👌
Great video! As has been stated before, most of the criticisms have no basis or legitimacy whatsoever, just detractors grasping at straws to bring down a movie they didn't like.
Exactly! It's okay not to like a movie. And don't get me wrong, some of the criticisms are legitimate. But if you've read the reviews from many of the so-called "professional critics," they're pathetic and disingenuous.
I am Ahmed Agree 100%.Critics shut their brains off watching BVS.
Everything you stated in this video has unfortunately changed in Justice League. I loved MoS and BvS because of the reality of it all and the complexity of the script. For the people that gave it a bad name and tarnished is for being stupid, Dark, gritty and annoying you have completely derailed a very good franchise and now have the cheek to complain about it
Not anymore, thankfully!! We got the Snyder Cut!
While I absolutely adore this film, Snyder's quote about Batman shooting the guy in the head in The Dark Knight Returns is 100% wrong. Miller's art is just so...well...stylish, I guess, that some of the panels are visually confusing. But if you actually pay attention to the story, when the new commissioner puts out a warrant for Batman, murder isn't on of the charges he's wanted for - indicating that he never killed anybody. I had no problems with Batman killing in BvS, but trying to say that Batman already does it in the graphic novel that the movie is primarily based on just isn't correct.
True I love TDKR and BvS but he never kills anyone in TDKR, he's just really really violent.
You’re also right about the dream sequence.
It’s a DREAM so it’s It not meant to be understood. If it links up with what we see in future movies then great!
It’s a dream!
none of marvel heroes have a distinct no killing rule. they just avoid it when they can. also cap is in a war... with nazis...
batman's defining feature is that he has a no killing code. that's what defines him.
And again he has killed many times before even in the cannon
Within the first minute, and you already *PROVED* that you *NEVER* read TDKR. Mate, there's only ONE hypocrite here, and it's you.
No. It's the fact that canonically, Batman doesn't kill. Snyder read one comic, and based his movie off it. He took one scene from the comic where he doesn't even kill, and ruined an entire character because of it. Iron Man isn't against killing. Captain America isn't against killing. And Reeves and Keaton killing are wrong too. Superman and Batman shouldn't kill. It's not hypocrisy. It's common knowledge.
Should or shouldn't is irrelevant. The fact is both heroes have killed in the comics and other movies. Snyder did nothing new in this regard.
@@zhengyingli Superman and batman kill in comics where the writer's don't even understand the Characters. just like how synder doesn't understand the Characters.
@@upon136 The creators of Batman didn't understand Batman?
As the old saying goes: "People hate what they don't understand" BvS was the best Comic Film in years.
yeah! critics are a bunch whinny clowns
adegbulu yemi Who killed Captain Alex?!
R603 Burakkusuta lol love that movie
Plus? I would argue that the reason with the Martha name thing was because not only did it caught batman off guard, but it put him in the moment of when his parents were killed reliving it again in his head, only to realize that he’s the the one that’s putting his parents at gun point making him realize that he’s no better than the man that killed his parents.
Happy someone isbdefrnding this film.
Batman has 2 rules: no guns and no killing. He breaks both. Other characters don't specifically have rules.
Dude you like the movie. Congratulations, would you like a cookie? Just because people have certain problems with things that you don't doesn't make them invalid. Also, Tony Stark killing people makes sense for his character. Batman killing people does not, you know, cause his whole "no killing" thing. Secondly, Avengers was made in 2011, BvS was made in 2016 with a huge budget (not saying Avengers didn't get a large budget as well) so BvS had no right to have CGI that looks like it came from 2011. Also, you're gonna tell me that a whole fight is ended because someone says "Martha"? With that being said, I did enjoy the movie. I myself thought it was decent, there are criticisms I believe it doesn't deserve. However, I'm not a fan of Zack Snyder, cause he's basically Emo Michael Bay.
The movie is over your head
don’t get what people hate BVS. I really enjoyed the movie, the fact that Batman was able to hack Luther and uncover Cryptonite to strategically defeat the Man of Steel was freaking awesome to watch, followed by Luther bringing Zod back but under deformed conditions, and Superman death at the end made that movie a classic.
Being forever damage in public's eye by theatrical version.
i like how you are not defending the movie at all, you are just calling marvel films bad.
Here's most of what I hear.
"REALLY? REALLY?"
Haha. Iron man kills a guy who broke his friend's sister's watch. That's how Iron man is.
Captain America is soldier who kills.
But Batman doesn't kill.
Jaiswal Siddharth Batman does kill, many times in the comics and in other movies.
zhengyingli Batman kills in very few comics. Dark knight returns is the only one I remember.
Never in any other movie.
Jaiswal Siddharth Batman killed with guns frequently during the golden age. Keaton blew up the crooks in a chemical plant, dropped one of Joker's henchmen from a tower, strapped a bomb to a crook with a smile, etc. Kilmer blew up several cars with crooks still in them. Bale killed members of the League of Shadow by blowing up their base, pushed Harvey Dent to his death, etc.
Batman has always killed.
Batman in dark knight and the animated series don't kill*
Tony stark's kill count of living beings (human or otherwise) is around 70000 arcording to cinema blend and the joker has a small 2000 and above. That gap is scary.
you are so right
you are 99% correct...except the 'I believe you' scene. In The Dark Knight Returns actually does not shot the bad guy, he blank fired and kicked him unconcious. Zack was wrong about that one. Anyway the movie was awesome though.
Thank you, your so awesome making this video, also Batman killed fucking Two-Face in the Dark Knight too.
That was the point though. In the end, he and Gordon keep the "hope" alive in Gotham. But to save Gordon's son and to hide Harvey's crimes he's forced to break his rule and kill Two-Face. In the end, he "became the villain" just as Harvey have predicted. In the end, the three heroes of the story all become the bad guys. Harvey turns evil, Batman breaks his rule and Gordon covers up everything. That was the whole point of killing Harvey. It's a double-edged sword. Batman does the right thing by saving Gordon's son and allowing the hope in Gotham to continue but cripples his morals in the process. The end of the movie represents that, Batman realises he has to be the villain for Gotham's true hope to continue. That's why he goes into hiding. Batman isn't needed anymore. He's the villain now. Until The Dark Knight Rises that is. The murder was to represent Batman's sacrifice. He had to kill Harvey and as punishment told Gordon to set the cops on him and to make him public enemy number 1.
The very arguments tell you how passionate film fans are, and how divided the film made the public. ..expectation is very high these days...
That's the great thing about BVS..it was very stimulating ...People say batman doesn't kill period!!! then make excuses why Nolan's Batman kills .
In all the movies in Nolan's trilogy he kills' Ras in the first one, Harvey in the second & Talia in the 3rd
the only two things I didn't like at all and I also hated was all jesse eisenberg did with the character...in my mind that's not lex luthor or even what the movie wants me to take.."luthor jr"...just watch smallville...there's the luthor I wanted to see in this movie...and the martha scene in my mind could have been better but It's ok, I think that with all the memes it went bigger than it should have been
Great video...you made some good points, I agree that Henry Cavill is a better SUPERMAN than Christopher Reeve(that SUPERMAN broke the hand and killed a powerless Zod, he was not even fighting against a whole invasion attacking earth...rather,only the 3 stooges from Krypton,
He get his ass kicked by a regular man(not BATMAN)on a BAR riot, and SUPERMAN2 is full of shameless product placemrnt like CocaCola or Marlboro)but people preefer Reeve because of the Nostalgia factor... Man of Steel was awesome and I also liked Batman v Superman(peole saying that they wanted an adaptation of the death of Superman, with a ridiculous colourfull funeral full of superheros... don't know how mediocre that comic was)....also the "Martha" rant isn't justificated(it may be a little bit forced but it's on the narrative of the movie... BATMAN considered KalEL a monster...but also feared to become a monster himself...so when he realizes that Clark Kent has a human mother like him he realizes of his mistake)
For me it is much more stupid how Tony Stark shows his trauma and psycologic issues by showing his memories to a full group of students on a conference...wtf?....
(Plus the convinient filmation of Winter Soldier killing the Starks to re start a fight between Capt.America and Ironman that was already over at that point)
And in the same movie
(CivilWar)they throw in your face the colaterall damage of a lost after 2 Avengers movies in wich it was never said or show that any civil population died(at least DC has the balls to show something that would be logic on a confrontation of that scale insteard of taking it out of nowhere)
I agree on almost everything, except for one moment where you mention that after the Martha scene we get the Batman we've been longing for. I think that doesn't happen right away because, well, he kills everyone in the warehouse. I think Batman becomes the more classical Batman after Superman dies
I understand how someone that's not too familiar with film would mistake this for being exceptional, but this is a classic case of enjoying a flawed film and trying to rationalize it. You can enjoy this film, but don't pretend everyone else is wrong about it. You keep bringing marvel into this, soI'm guessing you're not too fond of them. I don't really care but marvel has a much better track record than the DCEU does right now. See a film has these things called plot, balance, characters (notice how I didn't say caricatures), establishing shots; you know not just cutting from closeup to closeup in different locations. I'll admit that age of Ultron is a flawed movie, but at least it gets the fundamentals of storytelling and cinematography done correctly. Nonetheless, it is flawed, and most marvel fans will agree; what bothers me about you DCEU fans is that you refuse to accept that your movies are anything below absolute perfection. It's a movie about a man who dresses like a bat to scare criminals that fight an alien from another planet who's allergic to green rocks. I wouldn't mind that premise if it wasn't so fucking awfully executed in this movie. The dark knight returns is a fantastic comic, but as your beloved Zack Snyder said himself he wanted to tell his own story, and we've all seen how that turned out, thanks Zack. But I'm just a biased Marvel fanboy aren't I? No. I just enjoy decently crafted films. You can tell yourself that this is a well-edited action movie but it's mediocre at best. Showing blood in a pg-13 movie isn't impressive, hell I've seen more brutal actions scenes in TV shows than in this movie. If you want to see a well-done action scene watch fights from "the raid" or god forbid I say it Netflix's "Daredevil", but that's Marvel and apparently they can't make things nearly as "deep" as Zack Snyder. I may seem a little worked up, and that's because I'm honestly a bit insulted by this video's existence. Literally, your description reads "haters gonna hate...!" (Also great job on punctuation there, three periods and THEN an exclamation mark, how could you be any more subtle?) The whole point of this video's existence is to showcase why everyone else is wrong and you are right. Genius... You're right we're all wrong, all the critics, all the fans, the whole fucking world! I underestimated your genius, you clearly understand this film on a much deeper level than the rest of us. That computer scene where wonder woman opens a bunch of computer files with the fucking emblems on them, is that some sort of fucking genius I'm missing there? Did Lex Luthor take the time to design all of their costumes while he was at it? I'll give you this, you successfully made a video where a bunch of BVS fans with a superiority factor can successfully jack each other off and feel good about themselves, I just wanted to interrupt your premature orgasms with some rationality.
Since you interrupted my premature orgasm, I figured I might as well respond. I'll admit I was overwhelmed by your rationality.
I give you credit for not mentioning that the movie sucked because Batman killed. For that, you are officially not a hater despite your criticisms and you get a gold star from me.
In all seriousness, was BvS flawed? Absolutely! Were the criticisms against BvS fair? Some yes, some no. Was it everybody's cup of tea? Of course not. I watched the Ultimate Edition a few weeks ago, and for the first 20 minutes (the Lois desert rescue scene), I was completely engaged. But alas, it didn't have your funny Tony Stark quips, the drama/thriller won't appeal to your average 12 year old, and your cool superhero action scenes weren't there up to that point.
Sorry that adult superhero movies don't appeal to you. I for one, could care less about Ant Man 2 which may be more to your liking. (Though I'm extremely looking forward to Thor 3. I think this one will finally be great!)
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At least you have no control over who advertises on your video.
I am Ahmed BVS was not adult,Daredevil is adult,the series not the movie.
You know I find it really funny how the fanboys offended by this video don't even bother to state why they consider its points wrong
6:03 Jessie eisenburg's portrayal in the social network is basically what he should have done in BvS. They are definitely acted differently.
Sure, let's count kills made during WWII and try to expose Stark as a hypocrite when I don't remember him vowing not to kill.
Meanwhile most versions of Batman show him having an aversion to killing, and even with explanations as to why he doesn't simply kill Joker if he causes so much damage to Gotham.
dude I'm giving you a standing ovation...... you were on the spot on all the points and even more bravo great job
Iron Man and Captain America never had a no-killing rule. Iron Man is a dick, and those murders in those movies were very disturbing, and showed some levels of Islamophobia; but that has zero to do with Batman. Also, Captain America is a SOLDIER.
Charley Newman captain America movie he said to the doctor I don't want to kill anyone I don't like bullies
.... hypocritical or what
Tony gave up his weapons because it's killing people due to his own hands and weapon yet his own hand and weapons s kills people LOL
Correction, Cap said he don't want to kill anyone doesn't mean he is obligated to any no-killing rule. He is soldier, from WW2, and soldiers are generally subject and subjected to killing.
Correction, Tony "shut down" Stark Industries' weapons manufacturing division because he was afraid his weapons would end up in the wrong hand, so he made the suit to clean up the mess he unintentionally caused.
Charley Newman how the fuck is it islamaphobic? 😂😂 Read the news and tell me that's not what it's like over there.
Agree
The "no killing rule" is not built into the character. It is part of the arc Nolan built with his trilogy.
1:42 Genius playboy philanthrophist looking for *revenge* "I'm just... Not the hero type."
I would listen to your points about how this isn't a bad a movie as everyone makes it out to be if you didn't make so many irrelevant comments about marvel movies. Batman v Superman is a bad movies for most of the things you tried to justify in this video so making remarks about marvel movies has no importance other than to so your dislike for those movies which nobody wants to here about. Your one of the people that has turned the comic book genre into a fan war between Marvel and DC.
People like marvel, and when marvel does the same things a DC, like an entire movie(civil war) it's not DC that's called out for it.
Your ignorant
Look at the title of the vedio
He is makin points to oppose the hipocracy
The title is not "why bvs is a masterpiece"
If that was the title ur comment is valid
Thats not the case here
So ya......
Dude you are exactly right. I don't even know what is there to hate.??? Wtf would I hate this masterpiece that is so real? Fools be like "BvS is shit".. and you really exploited Marvel like a Good dude.... Congratulations on a well made video
BvS is the greatest CBM of all time
lol funny. Not Star Wars movies (do those count?)
Or Winter Soldier? Better than the entire MCU? GTFO fanboy.
Von Clownstick For me, as well.
Jay b The MCU doesn't really follow true to the comics, Civil War wasnt that great, the villains aren't really villains, I pretty much dont feel any sense of urgency if the characters might die.
😂😂😂😂 That's a great joke! 😂😂😂
Fuck off. BvS is nowhere near the greatest. BvS doesn't come anywhere close to TDK or Logan.
BvS was really fun and Ioved it. The main problem with this movie is how the fight between Batman and superman just ended and they're suddenly friends just by saying "Martha". But everything else about this movie was great. And thank you for adressing the hate
I like how the video assumes if you hated BvS youre a Marvel fanatic. Just plain wrong
That's what I hate about most Snyder fanboys.
**Opens up video**
**Sees him call people a hypocrite cus Cap killed**
**closes video**
What now
Thanks for this video. The tide is shifting, and people are starting to see how great a film this truly is.
you are right but, for some reasons but, wrong for other reasons
You just spoke my goddamn mind
I just watched the extended cut of the movie and I loved it and the points you made are some of the reasons why I love this movie and also shows how comic fans (some, not all) can be hypocritical, toxic and blind to nostalgia