As a big Jordan Peterson fan, I have to admit, you are absolutely correct on this. I believe it's the case that Jordan Peterson married his high school sweetheart. The man is so out of touch with the mating and dating scene, he shouldn't even give advice on it.
You shouldn't be listening to him at all. He actively tells young men of Caucasian descent not to advocate for their own in-group interests when that is literally what every other group is doing. He is preparing them to be literally fed to the meat grinder in every way.
@@StarboyXL9 it does not matter whites are a minority and the only solution is to go full muslim and take education and jobs from wahmen, we need to focus on people alike most of antifa are whites at the end.
Same here, I am in a similar boat as JP, I know I am out of touch as far as the logistics of how to attract women. Only thing I can give advice on is how to spot red flags and what to avoid.
@BipolarBear-tc5oe Nah, it isn't. Women biologically do it because terrible men were able to survive a millenia ago by taking advantage of other people and their resources. A moral compass made you weak back then and was illogical to an extent. War is the pinnacle of sustaining and obtaining resources to further the gene pool, however now that we are technologically advanced we don't need to be so primal, and yet s3xual intercourse is one of the most primal things. This explains duel mating mate guarding, hypergamy, hybistriophilia, r@pe, filicide, infidelity, and paternity fraud. It's a urge, the same way men want young, beautiful women.
Asking Peterson for an assessment of the current dating market is like asking the Wright brothers how to fly an F16. These things are so far removed from each other the latter might as well be magic, making the earlier data almost entirely unapplicable, i.e; useless. He made his lot standing in as a symbolic father figure to the "lost boy" generation, which thrives on a sort of reflexive 'tough love' and this is no different. Boot straps, destiny, and the rest. On and on it goes.
@@nocturnaljoe9543 I didn't say Peterson was clueless, or speak to the efficacy of his counselling. I pointed out that he's not qualified to lecture anyone on today's rapidly changing and overtly tilted dating environment. I say this because he has no experience in this domain, with its digital mechanisms, changing utilities, or the standing, quantifiable social consequences of these. He's applying an outdated socially 'blue pill' projection to a landscape he doesn't even see, let alone understand. Rather than make an unbias, informed and up-to-date observation of the subject Peterson took his shot with his decades old data; focussing this failure exclusively on men, advocating for greater responsibility... and cleaner rooms. His bread and butter.
@Chad ThundercockI've already had two messages attacking me because I dare disagree with DJP. Drones exist in the absolutes. Taking the good and leaving the bad doesn't make sense to them. You can't like someone and dare to point out a flaw they have. Every word is gospel and critics "don't get it"... so they might as well be fundamentalist boy band groupies. It's embarrassing, frankly. If his cult can't recognise and separate their ego investment enough to legitimately and fairly criticise, aren't they then just useful idiots? Apparently so.
a mans hobby is viewed by woman as childish right up to the point where he can market it and make a ton of money... a musician is a bum until he turns out to be the next Billy Joel... and a smart man is worthless unless he can apply it to making money .
I AM a woman and i dont see hobbies of men as childish! I see like you have your hobbies and i have mine! And i like a man with culture,because i AM a women who likes to read ,learn and debate ,só what is wrong of wanting a life partner that Will understand me ?
lying ____ of _____ women are right, men are wrong and worthless unless we can serve you, isnt that what you actually think? So stop lying. Dishonest and terrible..@@deborafernandes1026
When you see or hear domestic violence from her boyfriend or husband, remember that she picked him and she is right and you are wrong. Don't waste time calling the police or being fool enough to go risking your life to try to rescue her from the one she picked.
Most female victims cause their own abuse by 1) picking the wrong guy 2) doing the wrong things that made him snap like having an affair 3) lacking situational awareness like telling a drunk dude during a fight that she is carrying some other dude’s baby. Many modern women are trash and they revel in being trashy and i am supposed to be a gentleman? Hell no
Not really sure how he's controlled opposition, can't just make claims without any backing. The man gets shit on by the liberal media apparatus all the time
Agreed. Anyone who tells you that you shouldn't band together with others in your group when every other group is doing just that hates you and wants you gone.
Agreed. He's a limited hangout. Just edgy enough to seem like a dissident but ultimately a roadblock preventing male collective action that is needed to fight back against this abomination of a society.
@pl m They would either hand you a paper application to fill out or tell you fill one out online. They didn't even care about your resume or a cover letter. It's all automated now so making a resume/cover letter is mostly busy work.
Unless you have nepotism or cronyism on your side, that's how people ( who are not spoiled rich kids ) actually get jobs, if you were not a spoiled rich kid, you would understand that.
His daughter is a prime example that Jordan is a complete failure at every level. He can't even be the proverbial father figure that raises a chaste and pure daughter who remains faithful for life
@@rudy1999 This. There's only so much one man can do to turn the tide of culture. If they push too hard, culture pushes back harder. Just look at Jesus or Socrates.
He recently went on a podcast (I forgot the other guy's name) and implied that promiscuous men on Tinder were "psychopaths" (or on their way to becoming psychopaths), but had nothing to say about all the validation-seeking, hypergamous women on Tinder.
Have you heard of Andrew Tate? That guy is exactly the kind of person Peterson would hate but that didn't stop his daughter from flying out to Romania to get pumped and dumped by him
yea i saw that one, that one was about luxury beliefs upper class forces down on to other that may work for them but does not for well everyone else, which is strange for a man who sees communists in the bushes.
JP acknowledges that women collectively find 85% of men as below average in attractiveness. He also stated that being sexual attracted to your partner is essential and that women are the selectors. He either hasn’t thought it through or he doesn’t want the backlash from the masses.
Is he wrong though. If you posed the same type of power to a man, would he not fully utilize it to reach his ideal fantasy? The middle east allows for men to have multiple wives, it's the same problem just repackaged.
The only logical outcome here is that we’re regressing as a species to tournament mating, but it’s subsidized now. Women get genes from alphas, get divorced or are just baby mommas, get government support them. Alphas are only alpha as long as they can scoped to be (which is maybe zero to three children unless they’re making JBJ money) then they become betas. Government fills in the gaps.
I never heard anything about that 85 % of unattractive men from Peterson. and In realty the fact that women find 85% of men unattractive is because dating sites contain 85% of men and 15% women so it is totally obvious that in that situation women will focus on top 15% and discard the rest How else it could be?
@@deltaxcd Is every child born from an alpha guaranteed to be an alpha themselves or is it something men are formed into over time/experience? Case in point, myself. My father left my mother when I was young and he was pretty much the definition of alpha bad boy. Body builder, drug user, always getting into fights, not very bright. I've turned out almost nothing like my father. I was also very close in my life to getting married and having kids with a woman who was cheating on me. And I regretted my decision to leave her for years. By most standard definitions I was beta born from an alpha.
I figured this same point out years ago from the opposite perspective. Never could understand why women loved drug dealers until I realized outside of the so called excitement of the lifestyle women really loved the money. Then I realized women don't really care how you get your money just as long as you have it and spend it on them.
Well it's not QUITE that simple, especially with drug dealers. Yes, the money is important but it's the drugs themselves that make the women stay. Drugs are very addictive, and if you have someone who gives you easy access to them in exchange for your body then you'd be surprised at the kind of things you're willing to put up with to keep that access open. You see junkies all the time willing to perform sexual favors in exchange for just a little hit, imagine finding yourself in a situation where you not only have steady access, but they're ALSO spending money on you? That's a junkie's dream.
Gynocentrism has always been JBP's religion. I have never once heard him criticize women as a whole the way he does men; the closest he has come is to say "Women, you will not be happy if you don't do this." Hopefully the young men who worship him will now realize that he might as well be a male feminist for what he thinks of them.
I've always felt Jordan Peterson very good at breaking things down to fit the narrative he wants to push into a way people can agree with him. Once you can see the script he follows its easy to think critically of what he says and see how it does not work for you.
Every one of these people like Jordan Peterson and others like him are nothing more than people who don't want to see the status quo the current system as it is broken down and destroyed because without it they have no sense of self no sense of purpose the fact of the matter is all these fools want to do is bring men back to the plantation.
He is a mommas boy and a father to a daughter, his opinions are completely biased....I have benefited from his work as well....absorb what is useful, reject what is useless.
@Voice ForBoys experience...the best teacher....if you're a boy, you're gonna have to go through some shit....the words of someone else are guidelines at best.
“Do as I say, not as I do”. Human nature has always been about resources and control. His daughter literally would be a normy if she were anybody else.
His problem, as others have mentioned, is that he is stuck in a 50's mentality when it comes to dating. His view on how "women are right" only works if the woman is willing to uphold her end of the bargain when she is seeking and "picking" her mate. I never idolized the guy, but I did like him a lot. He brought me from atheism, to having somewhat faith. But all of a sudden, he was thrust into having to give his opinion on *everything* as a clinical psychologist. And when it comes to the male/female dynamic, he is woeeeeefully ignorant. Of course, the tradcucks are the ones that latched on to his 50's message, and thotery continues unabated, because as usual, men are demanded to uphold their end of the bargain, while women are not.
Funny i buyed one of his books and his proto-religion made me even more averse to follow one. JP is a fine example of blind faith, ignoring how the world changes around him. Even rattlesnakes adapt to survive.
@@pbonfanti I don't hate the guy, and frankly, I think he's paid dearly for his sins (I know because what he suffered for 2 years I suffered for 6 months). But it's a travesty how he has been unable to follow his own basic advise, and how he went from being a psychological juggernaut, to a bumbling fool, out of touch with reality.
Actually he is not demanding men or women to do anything, There is no bargain of any kind. He is rather explaining that according to his clinical psychology knowledge people need to follow those rules for their own sake. If you *can* you are allowed to break those rules but most people just can't as this leads to horrible mental problems. He is always repeating the same disclaimer that whatever he say is only applicable to majority but not to everyone. Women are right in evolutionary terms but this has no importance to individual men who will be eaten and digested by that evolution.
@@deltaxcd But he is demanding from men. Men are supposed to "clean their rooms". And that's fine. Good advice for any male. But women are "always right" and never make mistakes....................or at least that's the perception his careful "walking on eggshells" stance sounds like to the uninitiated.
@@apreviousseagle836 You misunderstood him, He is not demanding, he is saying "if you want to be happy start by cleaning your room.* and this does not apply to everyone " I don't know where he said that women are always right but I remember he said that, unlike men who are free to chose their own meaning of life, they are born with the predefined biological purpose.
Or... the father of simps???? Cuz his argument sounds like he is putting women on a pedestal. Rather than figuring out the solution to end the gender wars.
I am Turkish and in Turkey many girls have this mindset "I am a woman and purpose of being a woman is having a family so therefore my biggest dream is to get marry and have kids and take care of my family and keep my family warm and happy" so they OF COURSE want the best possible mate but that choosing period for women in general do not take more than 1-2 years and usually at the age of 25 they are already married. Usually they meet their mates at the age of 21-22 years old by the time 25 game over and happily ever faster. But women in west they start with party life style till they turn 30 and right around that age they start looking for "serious relationship" so no more hot monkey sex ! They do so and if they find one it takes max 5 years and become single mother and back on party again. The reason that many men addicted to video games is because of nobody needs nobody in west. Microwave-fastfood society offers too much comfort and luxury that you dont depend on anybody. So from male perspective what is the point of trying anyway ? Sounds like Nihilism I know Edit: If you are not Mr. Fifty Shades of Grey stop bothering with Sexual Market Place !
I agree…in my old age of 50+…I am not only a nihilist…but also an Antinatalist and minimalist…My view of Western Society is like the meme Clown World…nothing worthy to be taken seriously, every ideal is skewed and what is accepted as real is ridiculously composed…so I don’t bother trying to make a point to use reason- since the status quo doesn’t gauge it anymore.,.when every point is a sophistry and feelings take precedence while every fact is tossed aside for the next useful ideology and propaganda, then everyday meaning is only utility and means nothing the next day. Welcome to my world Turkey…I respect you conclusion immensely! 🙏🏿🙏🏿👍🏿
researchers consistently fail to address the magnitude of this issue. People ultimately need love and validation. When a man doesn't matter to a woman, when she doesn't gaze at him with a loving smile, tell him she wants him/needs him, that he matters to her. A lot of guys have never had that. This will cause disillusionment/isolation/soul sadness and mental health issues in men. No amount of material things, por* will be able to replace that. The problem in the west is 2 fold. Incels can't get a woman and the ones that do get one, end up in divorce/breaking up or being cheated on and losing more than the lady. So they swear off relationships and end up lonely all the same. (Mgtow) Both have the effect of creating lonely, angry, atomised ppl and broken society with plummeting birth rates. And can spell the end of that society. What are we seeing in the west now? Falling sperm counts, falling testosterone levels, births, marriage, and a rapidly ageing society, with catastrophic debt levels. White ppl used to have close family bonds but now they no longer keep ties with family and send old ppl to homes. Jobs for life are a thing of the past, from where they used to form friends. White ppl lost their matchmaking culture and used to marry form within their own tried and tested social circle. With all that now gone, internet dating and cold approaching/PUA random women that u know nothing about is the way. Which can be toxic.
Yes! I watched the same interview with the roommates! I hated his response, “women are right not to pick you” I left comments on that with my irritation of the message. Edit: my biggest irritation was with his advice for the men. It’s basically just get good, bucko. It’s frustrating because he is incredibly aware that, throughout history, 40% of men haven’t reproduced! Additionally, it is clearly way worse now. He should be saying, “ It’s no wonder men are afraid of rejection because that is all that is happening now” He’s literally saying, just get taller bro, just educate yourself bro, just be confident bro. Look, I get some women now, but there was a while where I wasn’t. I had a lot of weight on me, but I already had a good looks foundation. There men who can’t get any no matter what. Peterson is completely unaware of the current dating meta.
@@redpillsatori3020 Hah! Yup! It was a good one too Basically, the waman aren’t worth the effort Jordan Peterson is demanding. If we don’t find a waman early and imprint, it’s pointless because even waman my age 26 are messes, demanding, fem-bots. Trying to remember what else I said lol. Oh, I was a music director for a church and I stopped believing, and I found JP more and more frustrating.
Not defending JP, but what other choice do you have? Complaining about it isn't going to change the fact that you need to get as attractive as possible if you want to get dates. The only thing you control is if you want to participate in the current dating market.
This is something that has bothered me about Jordan Peterson and his advice for years now. He doesn't seem very in touch with how it goes these days for the majority of men. I am so lonely I can barely breath some nights, but I have no chance even with women of very average attractiveness. I don't know how to turn off the need for female validation, and I'm miserable. Logically, I know I don't need a woman. I don't need sex. Yet I still feel less-than normal and less-than worthy because I have been universally rejected by women.
Look at what women value and the choices they make. I quipped 20 years ago that if women ever did start to find me desirable, I'd know that I'm doing something very wrong as a human being. I've got looks going for me, but they always rejected me for being "a nice guy". Why would I value the judgment of people who are notoriously poor judges of character? Having no answer for that snapped me out of ever wanting their validation again.
You have bought into a narrative created by people who may mean well, but cannot see reality. You said: "I don't know how to turn off the need for female validation" That phrase is all kinds of messed up. 1. You have a right to your feelings and should never be seeking to turn them off because some twit says you should man up. Getting rejected is amazingly painful. Allow yourself to acknowledge this fact and realize that your reaction is a normal response to a totally phucked up world where we allow people to be alone and blame them for it. 2. The phrase "female validation" is their words and their agenda. You don't actually need or want female validation. You want to love and be loved. The pain of being in your position is a natural response to rejection and isolation. While men can function well on their own, a lifetime of that existence is toxic. This is normal. You are not defective because you lack this basic human need. Validation has nothing to do with any of this. 3. If you did manage to turn off your emotions, you would become numb and unhappy. More likely than not, the pain would simply build up and one morning you would decide that a breakfast made by Smith and Wesson sounds nice. What you need is the one thing nobody dares to recognize. You need to be loved and desired and share that feeling. My advice: Save your money and go overseas for a couple months. I would suggest the Philippines because something resembling English is spoken by most Filipinos and because Filipino women are far more accepting than women in the west. I am speaking from personal experience.
When did he ever say he wouldn't apprechiate it? We can try and rip his stupid statement out of context or we can try to find what he actually ment. I massively doubt he was supporting women's actual, socially disruptive behaviour. I think he ment, that women were always like this. It's what they are and young men need to accept it. Each of them needs to decide to fight in a game that is dictated by women in order to be involved or simply leave it be. The point is, that he doesn't want young men to do the last, because he doesn't want them to avoid what they actually want. If there was no truth in that - why are we all here? I am sure many men here, are very, very carefull with who they are hooking up or even just talking to at all, but they are still interested in women, aren't they? Each of us needs to decide to try what we can and maybe even probably fail or try and find another meaning in life. There is not much inbetween. We have to reject the cultural conditioning we went through and actually stop expecting a woman to see us as an individual. "They are right", because they were always like this and it is just now, that such an uprise happens, because women can now fully utilize their power, thanks to the society we build for them. It doesn't mean that the bs, that they are talking is right.
@Jo Jo Exactly. Idk why SD is talking about Jordan, like he would have gotten his reputation for no good reason. That guy is a clinical phsycologist and he is not living behind the moon. I never saw him look down on people and never heard him talk like he was never failing. It's a man, who is actively fighting for a working society in a time where everything is going to shits. I absolutly don't agree with everything he is saying, but he is not the incompotent old crook as described in this clip.
@Jo Jo I answered you in the other thread. Cliff Notes: Men are complaining the bar is far too high for them, and the reward too little. Not to mention the danger is never reduced. How exactly are you a psychologist again? You don't appear to think like one.
Jordan Peterson is the classic example of a tradcon. He may talk intelligently, but at his core, he holds the exact same values: women are right, thus, hold little to no responsibility for their actions or outcome of a relationship and men are wrong, and always responsible. Tradcons ignore the problem and it's why they hold no viable solution. With this train of thought, things will only ever get worse as more and more men check out, both from relationships and in some cases, life itself. As for his women have more at stake, sure, that was the case prior to all the contraception, abortion laws and parental rights. However, has he been living under a rock for the past 30+ years? Women can back out of their end all the way up until and even past birth (adoption, for example). This is not even going into the effects modern promiscuity is having on men's willingness to get into a relationship and the likely integrity of it after the fact. I'm sorry, but tradcons have to be the most tone-deaf people in the modern day. Modern women and relationships to them are like a computer to your grandfather.
Actually It seems that he is not tradcom but rather a person doing research on tradcons. He is like atheist priest who know that there is no god but preaches the bible because he believes that it is good thing to do.
@@Santa8aby Well like Peterson described himself tradcons are practically idiots, and he is not. Tradcon is a person who needs to follow rules and can't approach things creatively or solve any unknown problems. (and peterson definitely can do that) Peterson works with those people clinically and talks about their problems. Like for example automation and obsolescence of people with low IQ who no longer have any place in society.
Tradcons are stuck in relationships between the sexes 1.0, which has been outdated for more than several decades now. The younger generations have only known in their lived experience relationships between the sexes 2.0. To the young, the advice of the old is alien, and with modern family law, and the courts, an outright dangerous advice to follow.
In a recent social study, they asked men and women what was important in a partner. The results showed, that regardless of intelligence, ambition etc ... the most important factors, for both men and women, was how attractive and fun their date was. Every other factor was negligible in predicting dating success. It did not examine long term results but, at least in the short term, being attractive and being fun will dominate any other factor in dating.
many peterson fans are very delusional, sadly. I mentioned the divorce rates on a video about marriage and it was dismissed with 'pick the right person then.'.
Same goes for the divorce, child custody, domestic violence laws etc. Not mentioned is the uncalled for and unjustifiable destruction done to husbands and fathers. And it continues today.
@@james3876 It never was. Humans are a polygamous species like most primates. In order to advance society we created this intricate social structure to curb our polygamy in the name of stability and the proper upbringing of children. Love is just a chemical your brain produces to make you want to reproduce. It hits hard and fades away in a year. The "pairbond" bull does not exist in the real world.
He has a broad spectrum of viewers. Obviously, by default, normies will form the majority of his views. I'm not one of them. I still think he is a great man, but has a blind side, or maybe hasn't found the courage to face this aspect of life. I just take the good and leave the bad.
@@pauljames1807 This is so dependent on your geography and how well you stack against others around you. Plenty of men who are decent looking with careers are alone unless they beta bux
@@RKO1988 Plenty of men who are decent looking with careers end up alone? Sure. Those men need to learn how to assert themselves, build up their confidence and learn how to play the game.
@@pauljames1807 Also what if you’re just not good looking and have your shit together? I assume it’s your fault as well even if you’re “asserting yourself” it’s so silly the dynamic is mostly looks based now more than ever before so you really cannot keep blaming men
OK, i'm not trying to simplify the discussion but in my experience men who are fathers of daughters tend to be the ones who defend the modern women, JP is no different, imo this comes from a sense of male honor and the need to defend ones family, I have grown to ignore the opinions of men who have daughters on the topics of women and I now always ask if someone has a daughter before engaging them
Good point about the ego investment, and yes the inability to criticize women's behavior - individually or collectively - seems to be a cultural problem at large.
Isnt it foolish to dismiss all people who have daughters if you are a man who hopes to have children one day? Wouldn't it be good to get perspectives from people who successfully raise children rather than those who fail at it or aren't interested in it?
I have to respond to your comment, I have a daughter, and have mused over how to breakdown relationships to her. What I would tell a son is 180° different than her. Son: don't even think about marriage until you're established and about 30. Daughter: your S.M.V peaks at @25 don't sleep around, high notch count weakens your abilities to pair bond long term, etc. I've read a dozen books on raising a healthy daughter, and the importance of a strong father's influence on them. The modern woman's attitude frankly turns my stomach. So I guess I don't fit your mold? Myself I've quit dating and use all my extra energies towards being a healthy father to her, best thing I've ever been called is dad.
Jordan Peterson is a man with a mentality stuck in a bygone age. Some of what he says still holds true, but many of his takes are completely out of touch with modern gender dynamics. That and the fact he called MGT0W pathetic weasels doesn't help either.
He did later concede that MGTOW make a lot of valid points. Unfortunately, he then acted very womanly by forgetting all of those points and not letting it disrupt his narrative.
He comes from a generation that didn't grow up with the feminist narrative in place during their formative years. Unlike the younger generations in which the new social dynamics have been in place since birth. The young live in a world alien to the old. And the old save for some notable exceptions simply do not grasp this new normal.
Yeah that’s really gonna help let’s all just forget about the value a family fuck being a father and a husband I mean who cares I can’t make a life where I’m strong enough to lead a woman that I was smart enough to choose because she wants to be a woman which is a wife and a mother so forget it But I’m gonna go out here and tell other people What is up and down right and wrong Even though I can’t control the Little Circle I Live in if it involves more than myself if everyone put value on being a man which is a husband and a father and kept his little circle clean and Lead it properly then the modern dynamics wouldn’t be falling apart
You barely scratched the surface. 1) Hypocrisy of his daughter - father raising a garden tool - never standing up to Tate 2) He is extremely old - dino advice for the dating market 3) Hypocrisy of his xenocentrism - drawing on Christianity against the Left, then drawing on Leftist ideologies (darwinism, gynocentrism) against the Right. He is an atheist so should only draw upon only atheist morality. Basically, he flip-flops depending on his immediate opposition. 4) His men are psychopath comment for sowing oats 5) His men are pernicious weasels comment for not wanting to marry 304s 6) JP went fishing ONE time in his life, and he caught a fish and mounted it a long time ago. So getting advice from a fisherman, who has only gone 1 time to fish a long long time ago, is pretty stupid. He has 1 Pokemon badge and been only to 1 Gym. So that hardly makes him a master. 7) He spent his youth admittedly reading a thousand books. He is the equivalent of Urkal in social awkwardness.
Peterson's own daughter was on birth control at 14 and still ended up with a child out of wedlock. I think he has to clean his own room before he talks about other's.
Peterson claims women are right for not choosing you based on darwinistic thinking. Ironically, darwinism shows sometimes the female of the species isn't always the best chooser as we know their mating preferences can be maladaptive. Fisherian Runaway is a great example of this and why Mr Petersons thinking is shallow and out of touch.
He subscribed to biological determinism of Nietzsche which is so funny to me , it's beyond belief since he got addicted to benzos which is not something Ubermensch would do, Peterson also preaches same bullshit philosophy like Ubermensch endures suffering and fights the impossible, guess Peterson is not much of a Ubermensch.
@@readplato morality is made up, nobody can agree on what it is, and it can only serve the purpose of maintaining basic social cohesion. If your views are mandated by morality, you will eventually get replaced by those who adhere to evolution. "laziness for conserving energy" -good idea as long as you properly evaluate where laziness is appropriate and where it is detrimental to long term survival. "gluttony for maximizing survival due to scarcity of food in the environment" good idea if food is indeed scarce. " mass grape as a way to maximize your genetic legacy" Doesn't maximize your genetic legacy because it results in lack of social cohesion and increased tension. Evolutionarly mass grape isn't a natural practice but in extreme circumstance sexaul violence is a valid and reasonable strategy. "murder of other men to eliminate mating competition" as long as men are from another genetic group then its a big YES. "limination of the handicapped to maximize efficiency" BIG YES, 99% of time. Severely handicapped are a burden on everyone else and themselves. People who follow evolution will out compete those who don't, morality is cope.
@@lordhater4207 agreed he’s just a pathetic dimwit who tends to use big words to say absolutely nothing his belief in god shows how illogical and foolish he truly is
@@truthteller4442 The illusion of authority allows men to cope with their existence and fufill the needs of the feminine. If they realised the truth (hint: a male spider), it would destroy them.
Yes. What they are gradually starting to notice is that (for some unknown reason!) nowadays no matter how much they nag, whine, shame and complain, there are no husbands around to respond to it, and more and more single men are laughing about it. In the olden days the complaints and threats of shame/cancellation used to be taken seriously and remedied quickly. Not anymore. Today its all a punchline and an invitation to her own public ridicule, for example, being addressed as “Karen”, a name now an epithet that humiliates, ages and disqualifies her sexuality all in one fell swoop. This was not possible just 10 years ago. Added to this is that women ripping each other down - never been more pervasive and brutal. Misogyny is not even necessary. Women despise each other to a degree men can live 100 lifetimes and never fathom. So one could easily argue men today have no need to be right. That preoccupation is now exclusively a female one. There are good at it. Let them be right Let them be alone Let them be
@@johannschultz3743 Interesting thoughts you've expressed, just wanted to throw out the observation that misogyny is something anyone can have as a trait, women included. Here's Merriam Webster's definition for anyone curious: hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women
Yes! It has always been a crisis for men since approx 50% of men can't find a partner to have children with since the dawn of time. But for women even a 5-10% shift leaving them childless is a crisis that society needs to fix.
@@shepardabraham2574 Society cannot fix it. And women wait it out as long as possible refusing to “settle” on men they view as beneath them. It’s a like a war of attrition that women know deep down they cannot win because men don’t need them to survive, and if women wait too long they must either rely on the cold, damp, indifferent, unresponsive, cement arms of the government, or humble (humiliate) herself publicly trying to sexually compete with younger women who want sex but no relationship. It’s all downside, lose-lose. You try to tell them, and you are a misogynist. It’s like watching a game of women’s basketball and instead of betting on the victor, you simply bet that there will be no traveling penalties, turnovers or air balls. All of those outcomes are not in doubt.
Just another classic case of a boomer/old gen x’er giving a crap take on todays dating market, when they themselves have been out of the dating market for decades
JP is either playing it safe here or is flat out delusional due to his 2 decade + absence from the dating game. Anyone with eyes can see that social media has shifted women’s perceptions of their own value and the viability of a man in relation to that value. Women have went from dating/marrying men from their immediate areas average or not to completely foregoing these men entirely in favor of playing the genetic male lottery hoping to strike it big.
@Jo Jo You are right and men don’t understand how enjoyable woman find the company of cats. If I have to choose between a beta provider and a Scottish fold , the fold wins every time !
@@jposhpaws2588 True. I think it's best, at this point, that everyone goes their own way and we let society die so we can be conquered and ravaged by foreign peoples or even better yet, by the satanic elites who orchestrated it all in the first place.
@Jo Jo Which I am very familiar. I’m merely only pointing out how things were, to how they are now. I’m in no way saying women should settle for anyone. At the end of the day the choices they make are theirs alone.
@@chico9805 This fate could be avoided if some kind scientists could find a way to cause short men to grow taller and loose the chip on their shoulders .
After watching a fair share of Peterson's speaches, one common theme I can point out is the over excessive use of putting the burden of responsibility on the individual and never on the system. If something bad happens to you, then it is your fault and not because the world is out to get you. TBF, this is not a bad mindset because it allows for individual growth but it can't work all the time and Peterson often refuses the notion that people can suffer from outside forces striking them down - with nothing that can be done. His original position on MGTOW is one example ("It's not them; its's you!") but more so in the stories he sights from bible and his take being: "Every time they were flattened by god, they said that they were in the wrong, rather than cursing god as cruel & giving up". This mentalilty can only go so far, before something breaks but he does not realise that or want to even acknowledge it.
Responsibility and authority go hand in hand. If a man is to be responsible for anything he must have control over it, or he's just the whipping boy from the medieval era. That's what all these egalitarian shills always omit.
@Jo Jo women have become self-reliant, and sensitive to social media. good luck sticking out (and for long enough time). this not only affects the men who'd have a hard anyway. even relationships are less stable i presume. the dating environment is not a constant.
@Piece Of Shit I admit that my quote there was more of a general paraphrasing of the mishmash of things he has said. He still very much neglects the system being a bad deal or the idea that there are forces outside of the individual's control, with maybe a few wishywashy thumb twiddle "wellllll I supposed it could maybe be the case..." -esk statements. Again, that is my perception, from binging hours of his content. Maybe I am wrong but I struggle to find any instance of him giving credit to the opposing idea. Its the problem with the tradcon, in that they are unable to accept the nihilism in the universe. They build schemas around the idea of everything being in your hands. Stories about the hero slaying the dragon, saving the princess, haivng absolute agency and going on the heroes journey are stories that have been passed around camp fires since the first camp fire was built. As Barbarosa once put it "Men are human doings; women are human beings". I don't think men have an innate tendency to give up, as you said. If anything masculinity is willing to keep trying in the face of impossible odds so it stands to reason that if men are giving up, then there has to be a deeper issue. Especially considering we live in a world where people have the access to the most options. This is an extra-cynical take but this mentality of the world and everything being in your control might be a grift. The poster of the strong stoic handsome warhero achieving glory to get smucks recruited into WW1, with a lower survival rate than ebola, because the system needs bodies to throw into the meat grinder. No amount of gains & cleaning your room can stop a single bullet from passing in your skull. A dangled carrot in front of a donkey, to get him to move the carriage. Maybe that is the cope. Or maybe the cope was the friends we made along the way. XD
There are just some lines Peterson won’t cross. He’s very good at describing a problem but he always stops short of saying what the reasons for that problem are especially when women are responsible for it. He will quite accurately describe the issue at hand then finish off by saying “we don’t know why this is” or “we don’t know what to do about it”. In both cases that’s often and I think there’s intellectual dishonesty on his part. I’d also say I think Peterson’s message to young men is somewhat dangerous. Essentially he tells them that to find meaning they must find responsibility for something other than themselves. In this current climate I think that’s a very dangerous message especially in regards to marriage, relationships and family. It’s really just a more articulated way of saying man up.
Well his logic was always just to do what makes you happy, but he cant explain why those things make people happy besides referring to evolution. The correct message woud be to preach nihilism and tell those young men that existence and life is totally meaningless But will the truth make them happy? or it is better to tell them to take some useless responsibility and suffer all their life taking care of that responsibility rather than facing absolute freedom and lack of any purpose?
@@deltaxcd " it is better to tell them to take some useless responsibility " who defines whats useless ? its better to have any responsibility than none. You don't have absolute freedom, you live in a society, that doesn't exist. His logic comes from Stoicism. Nihilism is a losing logic, its good to self-terminate young man. Nihilism is fire, young people shouldn't play with it. "suffer all their life taking care of that responsibility" Suffering is what creates meaning for a Stoic . Life isn't a walk in the park. The way you think , the only solution for you is self-termination. You can't think that way, and I don't think he's dangerous, not any more than people like dafty. Nihilism is really dangerous. Lack of purpose is the essence of a human being, the lack of purpose, it doesn't means its meaningless, it just means you decide what it means, Nihilism is wrong, you have to create purpose and you only do that by taking responsibility, even the useless ones. Until you have a solid base to discover/make your purpose . Heck, I lost 10 years of my life until I learned that. Its called, you said, "man up". It was the best thing I did, taking the responsibility for my own life. To hell with society, If I keep blaming it, what good that does to me ? even if it is at fault, can I change anything ? no, so I focus on what I can change. Its that simple.
But younger people nowadays, they look at the sky, and expect society to give them something like purpose ? it used to be that your purpose was to work. Now that people are free they can't deal with it... Do you get the essence of the problem ? too much false freedom, that really is just hedonism masqueraded.
You talk about freedom from responsibility , I wanted to know why people think that there's any good in that ? Do you want to live like an animal or something ? Like a dog ? who's given food, everything it needs ? (I may realize your dream, because I for sure am working on opening the pandora's box of Artificial Intelligence, you are going to be a good pet for the machines, if you think that having no responsibility is freedom, in this way, dogs are free, they're the most free being on this planet)
"taking care of that responsibility" rather than "facing absolute freedom and lack of any purpose" don't you think there's any relation between those things ? like a causation relation of sorts...
I always love when the "boomers" try to educate us on the current dating market. He is 60 years old he married his woman in 1989. You can say anything Mr. Peterson but if you didn't experienced todays dating market and today's woman mindset your advice is worth as much as your average dating couch blue pill scammer. He has some good thoughts sometimes but also, he glorifies woman just as others.
Yup. If JP was younger and had to date in this current era, he wouldn’t be a teacher. He’d be an alcoholic, depressed couch-surfer that does nothing but hang out at the bar all day. I can guarantee that.
Alot of his listeners feel lost and disgruntled with life, and don't know why. So he lifts these people's spirits by telling them why. He's basically everyone's dad.
It makes one wonder if his personal guilt over his addictions and subsequently his failure to be there for his wife have clouded his ability to reflect without personalizing the ideas. My dad was a junkie. He too was capable of profound words of wisdom and perfectly useful incites about many subjects. It would have been foolish for me to expect constant mental clarity, however.
@Voice ForBoys It's not about them being pegged as much as its about them being liberated. Oftentimes people have many contradictory desires and conflicting impulses meaning the thing they seem to most fear is actually that which they most deeply yearn for. Its more to do with giving men space and providing them a context in which to explore and connect with their other self, that one bitterly buried by the wrath of toxic masculinity global patriarchy. You are just homophobic
@Voice ForBoys With responsibility comes authority. If you're the project manager it's your ass if the project fails. You also get to order your underlings, because you are responsible and have authority over what happens. Responsibility without authority is slavery, plain and simple. If a woman wants me to take care of her she plays by my rules or she finds someone else. Unfortunately that's not how modern society works, so men check out and women go for the high score till they hit the wall.
Therapist are Not there to help you iron out your thought. They are their to iron out Thoughts so they can Fit in with society and not to make you a good person. Theraphy is the ultimate blackpill
When a great majority of therapists are women, it’s pretty easy for them to control the narrative. They can very easily convince women as a whole that they’ve never been the problem and it’s only been the men in their lives.
@@threethrushes for a man who has screwd up his life, it's surprising how many say they were saved by this man. If he used his screwups as a warning or learned lesson I might understand. But he is held up as ideal despite his terrible life.
I would love a 2 hour long video of you and Jordan discussing this topic. You're well spoken and really good at presenting your case. Thanks for making these videos my dude!
Women’s views today do not make sense and in fact their behaviour is in fact chaotic destruction. I think that Peterson is saying that men should just pander to their insanity in order to not be alone- because being alone and childless is a worse form of hell than bending a knee to something that you know damn well is “wrong” - in every sense
He’s tall, I heard this as the first thing my girlfriend used to describe someone she works with was dating, which means that’s what stands out first. Something that means nothing about any sort of doing. Height and looks go a long way.
Yep you're 100% right in everything you just said... Especially that part about intelligence; my experience: women I'm interested in always end up picking the guys who don't know the difference between two, to and too.
The simple statement of ''If you are bothered by them, there's something wrong with you cause they are right!'' Is like saying Kyle is guilty cause he is guilty. Sure Peterson, sure
He's (as always) coming from a world of "should". Women "should" be right because that would mean what they do is correct, and that's good. Too bad should is the most meaningless word in the entire English language.
Society has many poorly engineered artificial modifiers applied to people's interactions with each other, we've got blind social engineers telling other blind people what the land should look like.
I've cleaned my room, in fact, I cleaned my whole house the last week and shit didn't change.. You know how the saying goes "Polishing a turd.. so on and so on"
Exactly! And let's be honest most women don't have good track records of being right when it comes to picking mates....he acts like they do for some reason. Lol
Jordan Peterson is blinded by his gynocentrism. Most of his really wrong conclusions can be tied to the fact that he cannot even see that women can be at fault. So when they are, he reaches ridiculous conclusions. In particular, the vast numbers of partnerless people is entirely due to hypergamy. "Cleaning your room" might help your dating life. (but it probably won't). However, it does NOTHING to address the hypergamy problem. Hypergamy is NOT about what a man brings to the table. Instead, it is a pure competition. It is a comparison. As a result, how each man decides to behave does not matter in the big picture. 80% of the women are going to pursue 10% of the men NO MATTER WHAT. If every man grew to 6' tall, women would demand only men above 6'5". If every man earned at least $70K, women would only date men who make at least $100K. This is why JP is so, so wrong when it comes to dating dynamics. Hypergamy is a MASSIVE problem that is causing the collapse of our society. This falls totally on women. Men have NO CONTROL over this. Cleaning our rooms will net nothing even if a small number of men manage to climb the hierarchy enough to create an impact on their individual circumstances. JP is smart enough to figure all of this out. But like I said, he is blinded by gynocentrism. Well that, and the fact that he fell in love with his "Clean your room" schtick.
his daughter literally leeching out his fame to start her own show. she is not entirely bad or wrong but it is so obvious why she's trying to gain a spotlight
Men have control over Hypergamy my dude, we're just not allowed to utilize it because of proxy violence and legal and social ostracization in gynocentric society. Male dominance and sexual dimorphism is directly and expressly for curbing hypergamy. In fact I think using male dominance outside of negating hypergamy is homosexual. You're homosexual if you compete with men instead of cooperating with them. Simply put you are using your sex to dominate and emasculate him. This encourages him to do the same, because of what is at stake, his manhood. Even war does not escape the homosexual nature of competition. Men are going to have to collectivize, re-evaluate a brotherhood of ethics for one another and hold them to it in a strictly cooperative fashion to even stand up to gynocentrism, let alone topple it.
I just read his stance on "women not being at fault" as just not giving them any agency. Which is kinda funny. You don't blame hurricane or earthquake for destroying your home. So being educated on primates mating strategies and underlying evolutionary reasons behind them years before JBP became popular, his gynocentric stance looks stupid to me because of the reasons he came to it. But at the same time, same stance looks right because I look at modern mating as laws of nature: it's not right or wrong, it is just what it is. And it is such not because of women, but because of conditions we as society has created. Women were always like that, statistically
@@wyleecoyotee4252 lol i laugh at that, i work with all women and its basically like taking care of children so f ing needy on men for every little thing
I agree…in my old age of 50+…I am not only a nihilist…but also an Antinatalist and minimalist…My view of Western Society is very much like the meme Clown World…nothing worthy to be taken seriously, every ideal is skewed and what is accepted as real is ridiculously composed…so I don’t bother trying to make a point to use reason- since the status quo doesn’t gauge it anymore.,.when every point is a sophistry and feelings take precedence while every fact is tossed aside for the next useful ideology and propaganda, then everyday meaning is only utility and means nothing the next day. Welcome to my world Turkey…I respect your conclusion immensely! 🙏🏿🙏🏿👍🏿
Here's an example of how chicks don't find intelligent men that valuable: I forget where I learned it but I think it was in an episode of Stardusk. Chicks don't find engineers attractive as a profession. Engineers have to be above average intelligence and they are mostly men. Engineers, as a group, aren't any more or less handsome. Their good qualities are their handiness. Most engineers have fixed cars, air conditioners, toasters, plumbing, computers and household electrical problems. These are great skills for a chick to have available yet they don't find engineers worthy of dating even though they make above average salaries.
What evidence do you have that suggests women don’t find men in the engineering field attractive? What profession, if any, do they find attractive? Just curious.
@@kieran9363 Surfer dude. Drug dealer. Criminal. And on the high earner side -- men who make a lot of money and command the respect of other men, like doctor, lawyer, CEO, etc.. They like the bad boy when young but want the beta-bux provider for nesting.
@@Burt1038 That's a great point. I'm talking about attractiveness. I think when Star made the video he showed a graph of how chicks rated professions for potential attractiveness (how well their profession automatically makes their parts tingle). You point out how, long ago, chicks went to college to get the "Mrs" degree. Today, chicks want to postpone marriage and kids until their thirties (or at least that's what they think when they are 18). These chicks are looking for exciting men and engineers ain't it. Today's chick wants to be an "influencer" on social media. They are looking to appear constantly living excitement. An engineer working his way up the corporate ladder isn't as exciting as a guy she can vlog her daily life with in a van going cross-country. She gets her wish for fame when the guy strangles her and leaves her in a ditch in a national park. Those crime scene photos will get millions of views.
@@CaptainJackSparrow110 I think you’re off on a couple of things. Women surely don’t generally want drug dealers and criminals as their partners. And I think you are making the mistake of casting people of a certain profession into a certain personality. Engineers don’t have to fit into the mold of a beta provider, and doctors aren’t always giga chads. Profession doesn’t describe personality. Sure there are correlations between peoples jobs and their personality but I believe you are over-generalizing here.
Always felt old JP was the quintessential "intellectual" controlled opposition. He's very careful to never point the finger at women or real problems while sneakily convincing men that cleaning their room and buying his book will help them "slay their inner dragons"
His premise itself is flawed. Why does it matter if women don't pick you? As if women picking you somehow validates you as a man. You could be a priest in a monastery and never have any contact with women, yet manage to live a good, perhaps even noble life. Who cares if no woman picks you? Whether women are right (spoiler: they're not) is a separate issue. It shouldn't bother you if they don't pick you, because you have your own life to live. You go out and become whatever you want to be. The things you pursue should be up to you, your passions and aptitudes, not to women or other men for that matter. In fact, it's not even about women. With respect to men, women just happen to be the gateway to sex, family, and validation. That's why they factor into the equation in the first place. In principle, whether women or men approve of or validate you shouldn't be your primary concern. You do you, and whether people like you or not is secondary. If they don't like you, why would you want to be with them anyway? Let them be, and move on. With that aside, it's stupid to take women in a vacuum. Women are the only pathway to reproduction, so anything they say must be right. That's just stupid. Men not only compete with each other - they also compete with the welfare state. When women have their basic economic, educational, medical, etc. needs met by the government, they change their criteria for men. They don't need a man for those things anymore, so they seek other things like looks. You'd be foolish to ignore those socio-economic dynamics and pretend that women act on their own accord when choosing a man. An average man that has a hard time finding a good woman isn't the problem, the welfare state is, and the doc is either blissfully ignorant or intentionally dishonest. Until you find courage to acknowledge and address the actual issue, you have no business giving advice to men - you're just going to mislead them.
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As a big Jordan Peterson fan, I have to admit, you are absolutely correct on this. I believe it's the case that Jordan Peterson married his high school sweetheart. The man is so out of touch with the mating and dating scene, he shouldn't even give advice on it.
You shouldn't be listening to him at all. He actively tells young men of Caucasian descent not to advocate for their own in-group interests when that is literally what every other group is doing. He is preparing them to be literally fed to the meat grinder in every way.
@@StarboyXL9 it does not matter whites are a minority and the only solution is to go full muslim and take education and jobs from wahmen, we need to focus on people alike most of antifa are whites at the end.
Blame the men is his MO
Same here, I am in a similar boat as JP, I know I am out of touch as far as the logistics of how to attract women. Only thing I can give advice on is how to spot red flags and what to avoid.
The evidence for this is his daughter
*Women mating with criminals*
Jordan: "They're right."
That's a strawman
@BipolarBear-tc5oe Nah, it isn't. Women biologically do it because terrible men were able to survive a millenia ago by taking advantage of other people and their resources. A moral compass made you weak back then and was illogical to an extent.
War is the pinnacle of sustaining and obtaining resources to further the gene pool, however now that we are technologically advanced we don't need to be so primal, and yet s3xual intercourse is one of the most primal things.
This explains duel mating mate guarding, hypergamy, hybistriophilia, r@pe, filicide, infidelity, and paternity fraud.
It's a urge, the same way men want young, beautiful women.
@@BipolarBear-tc5oeYou know how many love letters convicts get in prison, right?
@@intarsienschrankzwetschgen4224 Degenerates are everywhere. That's life.
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe It's not a strawman. And even if it was, perhaps Peterson should've been more, you know, PRECISE IN HIS SPEECH?
Asking Peterson for an assessment of the current dating market is like asking the Wright brothers how to fly an F16. These things are so far removed from each other the latter might as well be magic, making the earlier data almost entirely unapplicable, i.e; useless.
He made his lot standing in as a symbolic father figure to the "lost boy" generation, which thrives on a sort of reflexive 'tough love' and this is no different.
Boot straps, destiny, and the rest. On and on it goes.
I don't see it that way, bro. He had hundrets of young men as clients, who were walking in just these shoes and he is not clueless at all.
@@nocturnaljoe9543 I didn't say Peterson was clueless, or speak to the efficacy of his counselling. I pointed out that he's not qualified to lecture anyone on today's rapidly changing and overtly tilted dating environment.
I say this because he has no experience in this domain, with its digital mechanisms, changing utilities, or the standing, quantifiable social consequences of these.
He's applying an outdated socially 'blue pill' projection to a landscape he doesn't even see, let alone understand.
Rather than make an unbias, informed and up-to-date observation of the subject Peterson took his shot with his decades old data; focussing this failure exclusively on men, advocating for greater responsibility... and cleaner rooms. His bread and butter.
@@christopherduke8935 I tried to answer to your comment, but my stuff got deleted, bro.
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@Chad ThundercockI've already had two messages attacking me because I dare disagree with DJP.
Drones exist in the absolutes. Taking the good and leaving the bad doesn't make sense to them. You can't like someone and dare to point out a flaw they have.
Every word is gospel and critics "don't get it"... so they might as well be fundamentalist boy band groupies.
It's embarrassing, frankly. If his cult can't recognise and separate their ego investment enough to legitimately and fairly criticise, aren't they then just useful idiots?
Apparently so.
a mans hobby is viewed by woman as childish right up to the point where he can market it and make a ton of money... a musician is a bum until he turns out to be the next Billy Joel... and a smart man is worthless unless he can apply it to making money .
Absolutely true. Sad but true 👍😅
LMAO now this comment takes the cake
I AM a woman and i dont see hobbies of men as childish! I see like you have your hobbies and i have mine! And i like a man with culture,because i AM a women who likes to read ,learn and debate ,só what is wrong of wanting a life partner that Will understand me ?
@@deborafernandes1026 that's really sweet darling but why are you here.
lying ____ of _____ women are right, men are wrong and worthless unless we can serve you, isnt that what you actually think? So stop lying. Dishonest and terrible..@@deborafernandes1026
When you see or hear domestic violence from her boyfriend or husband, remember that she picked him and she is right and you are wrong. Don't waste time calling the police or being fool enough to go risking your life to try to rescue her from the one she picked.
facts
_THIS._
When she leaves you, travels to smash Andrew Tate, she is right, you are wrong.
"No wait, not like that!"
Most female victims cause their own abuse by 1) picking the wrong guy 2) doing the wrong things that made him snap like having an affair 3) lacking situational awareness like telling a drunk dude during a fight that she is carrying some other dude’s baby.
Many modern women are trash and they revel in being trashy and i am supposed to be a gentleman? Hell no
JP is controlled opposition. This has been known for quite some time. Didn't think he would c*ck out this hard tho.
Any evidence on that? We have more evidence that's he's "just a man". The guy could die and I'm sure you'll be happy with that lol.
Not really sure how he's controlled opposition, can't just make claims without any backing. The man gets shit on by the liberal media apparatus all the time
Agreed. Anyone who tells you that you shouldn't band together with others in your group when every other group is doing just that hates you and wants you gone.
Agreed. He's a limited hangout. Just edgy enough to seem like a dissident but ultimately a roadblock preventing male collective action that is needed to fight back against this abomination of a society.
@@chico9805 it's a pressure relief valve.
He is the embodiment of boomer advice. I bet he would suggest i should go to stores and deliver paper resumes in person to get a job
FU paper resumes are awesome! 😉
MAN UP.
@pl m They would either hand you a paper application to fill out or tell you fill one out online. They didn't even care about your resume or a cover letter. It's all automated now so making a resume/cover letter is mostly busy work.
Unless you have nepotism or cronyism on your side, that's how people ( who are not spoiled rich kids ) actually get jobs, if you were not a spoiled rich kid, you would understand that.
He would also tell you to buy a house because he was able to buy one at 25 while working part time at Win Dixie
Considering his daughter. He's too close to home to be giving any advice on this one.
His daughter is a prime example that Jordan is a complete failure at every level. He can't even be the proverbial father figure that raises a chaste and pure daughter who remains faithful for life
@@madallas_mons His daughter is a western woman anyway so I don't blame him lol.
@@rudy1999 This.
There's only so much one man can do to turn the tide of culture. If they push too hard, culture pushes back harder. Just look at Jesus or Socrates.
@@madallas_mons Its almost impossible to raise faithful daughter in western world
@@JeffCaplan313 If he knows he can't possibly lead by example, he shouldn't be talking shit, then.
He recently went on a podcast (I forgot the other guy's name) and implied that promiscuous men on Tinder were "psychopaths" (or on their way to becoming psychopaths), but had nothing to say about all the validation-seeking, hypergamous women on Tinder.
Of course not, his own daughter broke her marriage to ride the carousel
"Promiscuous men" i like that . Since when exist such creatures ? I tought women are promiscuous !
Have you heard of Andrew Tate? That guy is exactly the kind of person Peterson would hate but that didn't stop his daughter from flying out to Romania to get pumped and dumped by him
Haha if those men are psychopaths then women on tinder must be Ted Bundy sorry I’m exhausted couldn’t phrase it better
yea i saw that one, that one was about luxury beliefs upper class forces down on to other that may work for them but does not for well everyone else, which is strange for a man who sees communists in the bushes.
I hate how normies put people like Peterson, Joe Rogan or Elon Musk on a pedestal, whatever they say.
Same.
All three have said sound things but also said some utter bullshit, blind adoration is unhealthy to say the least.
They're ignorant and will worship anyone comes their way
Seems like we will never stop making false idols
I hear you. Some do the same with star dusk.
'NAWALT'
- Every woman ever
JP acknowledges that women collectively find 85% of men as below average in attractiveness. He also stated that being sexual attracted to your partner is essential and that women are the selectors.
He either hasn’t thought it through or he doesn’t want the backlash from the masses.
Is he wrong though. If you posed the same type of power to a man, would he not fully utilize it to reach his ideal fantasy? The middle east allows for men to have multiple wives, it's the same problem just repackaged.
The only logical outcome here is that we’re regressing as a species to tournament mating, but it’s subsidized now. Women get genes from alphas, get divorced or are just baby mommas, get government support them. Alphas are only alpha as long as they can scoped to be (which is maybe zero to three children unless they’re making JBJ money) then they become betas. Government fills in the gaps.
I never heard anything about that 85 % of unattractive men from Peterson. and In realty the fact that women find 85% of men unattractive is because dating sites contain 85% of men and 15% women so it is totally obvious that in that situation women will focus on top 15% and discard the rest How else it could be?
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If women were getting genes from alphas then betas woud be already extinct.
@@deltaxcd Is every child born from an alpha guaranteed to be an alpha themselves or is it something men are formed into over time/experience? Case in point, myself. My father left my mother when I was young and he was pretty much the definition of alpha bad boy. Body builder, drug user, always getting into fights, not very bright. I've turned out almost nothing like my father. I was also very close in my life to getting married and having kids with a woman who was cheating on me. And I regretted my decision to leave her for years. By most standard definitions I was beta born from an alpha.
I figured this same point out years ago from the opposite perspective. Never could understand why women loved drug dealers until I realized outside of the so called excitement of the lifestyle women really loved the money. Then I realized women don't really care how you get your money just as long as you have it and spend it on them.
Well it's not QUITE that simple, especially with drug dealers. Yes, the money is important but it's the drugs themselves that make the women stay. Drugs are very addictive, and if you have someone who gives you easy access to them in exchange for your body then you'd be surprised at the kind of things you're willing to put up with to keep that access open. You see junkies all the time willing to perform sexual favors in exchange for just a little hit, imagine finding yourself in a situation where you not only have steady access, but they're ALSO spending money on you? That's a junkie's dream.
Don't expect ethical behaviour from [insert your term of choice].
It perfectly sits home with the briffault's law
It's the badness of the Bad Boy that gets them wet.
As just an average human I find it kinda disgusting when humans leech off others.
Gynocentrism has always been JBP's religion. I have never once heard him criticize women as a whole the way he does men; the closest he has come is to say "Women, you will not be happy if you don't do this." Hopefully the young men who worship him will now realize that he might as well be a male feminist for what he thinks of them.
@Goldenar most of them don't say that.
If he had the balls to point out women's wrongs the way he points out men's wrongs, he really almost certainly have been cancelled years ago.
@@invictus_They-Them_Nazi_Hunter He apologised
Jordan SIMPerson.
@@malachimawadzi1824
You are a complete dunce.
Sorry.
Now did saying sorry change what I think of you?
stardusk roasting peterson
Stardusk > Peterson because Peterson is blue pilled.
I never got Peterson, he always seemed all over the place to me, could never figure him out.
bluepilled conservative. he's smart but out of touch
I've always felt Jordan Peterson very good at breaking things down to fit the narrative he wants to push into a way people can agree with him. Once you can see the script he follows its easy to think critically of what he says and see how it does not work for you.
He's a psychologist, it figures
Same man
well said !
Do we not all speak according to our narrative and its agenda, just as this video uses language for its agenda, no one is right or wrong in that sense
Every one of these people like Jordan Peterson and others like him are nothing more than people who don't want to see the status quo the current system as it is broken down and destroyed because without it they have no sense of self no sense of purpose the fact of the matter is all these fools want to do is bring men back to the plantation.
I have benefited from Lord Peterson’s work, but the evidence for his hypocrisy on intersexual dynamics is his virtuous daughter
He is a mommas boy and a father to a daughter, his opinions are completely biased....I have benefited from his work as well....absorb what is useful, reject what is useless.
@Voice ForBoys experience...the best teacher....if you're a boy, you're gonna have to go through some shit....the words of someone else are guidelines at best.
Have you encounter a good breakdown of what happened with his daughter's marriage?
@Shop Rat #92 Sounds virtuous indeed
“Do as I say, not as I do”. Human nature has always been about resources and control. His daughter literally would be a normy if she were anybody else.
His problem, as others have mentioned, is that he is stuck in a 50's mentality when it comes to dating. His view on how "women are right" only works if the woman is willing to uphold her end of the bargain when she is seeking and "picking" her mate. I never idolized the guy, but I did like him a lot. He brought me from atheism, to having somewhat faith. But all of a sudden, he was thrust into having to give his opinion on *everything* as a clinical psychologist. And when it comes to the male/female dynamic, he is woeeeeefully ignorant. Of course, the tradcucks are the ones that latched on to his 50's message, and thotery continues unabated, because as usual, men are demanded to uphold their end of the bargain, while women are not.
Funny i buyed one of his books and his proto-religion made me even more averse to follow one. JP is a fine example of blind faith, ignoring how the world changes around him. Even rattlesnakes adapt to survive.
@@pbonfanti I don't hate the guy, and frankly, I think he's paid dearly for his sins (I know because what he suffered for 2 years I suffered for 6 months). But it's a travesty how he has been unable to follow his own basic advise, and how he went from being a psychological juggernaut, to a bumbling fool, out of touch with reality.
Actually he is not demanding men or women to do anything, There is no bargain of any kind. He is rather explaining that according to his clinical psychology knowledge people need to follow those rules for their own sake. If you *can* you are allowed to break those rules but most people just can't as this leads to horrible mental problems. He is always repeating the same disclaimer that whatever he say is only applicable to majority but not to everyone.
Women are right in evolutionary terms but this has no importance to individual men who will be eaten and digested by that evolution.
@@deltaxcd But he is demanding from men. Men are supposed to "clean their rooms". And that's fine. Good advice for any male. But women are "always right" and never make mistakes....................or at least that's the perception his careful "walking on eggshells" stance sounds like to the uninitiated.
@@apreviousseagle836
You misunderstood him, He is not demanding, he is saying "if you want to be happy start by cleaning your room.* and this does not apply to everyone "
I don't know where he said that women are always right but I remember he said that, unlike men who are free to chose their own meaning of life, they are born with the predefined biological purpose.
Thats it; im having my name legally changed to "Chad Thunderschlong"
Lmao 😂😂😂😂
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Jordan Peterson, the father of gynocentrism.
No, just another son.
Glad you can see the massenger of gynocentrism
Or... the father of simps????
Cuz his argument sounds like he is putting women on a pedestal.
Rather than figuring out the solution to end the gender wars.
"Women Are Right, You Are Wrong" Turn it around and it would be misogyny. So this is misandry.
I am sick of this crying old man being pushed everywhere
I turn off every video that gets near my feed. Can't stand Mr word salad.
Yep. He is only promoted because he is misleading men (particularly White men).
He does sound like he's about to cry every time he speaks.
@@normanosborn1277 " He does sound like he's about to cry every time he speaks. "
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you are one of the few of your age that understands, kudos man
I am Turkish and in Turkey many girls have this mindset "I am a woman and purpose of being a woman is having a family so therefore my biggest dream is to get marry and have kids and take care of my family and keep my family warm and happy" so they OF COURSE want the best possible mate but that choosing period for women in general do not take more than 1-2 years and usually at the age of 25 they are already married. Usually they meet their mates at the age of 21-22 years old by the time 25 game over and happily ever faster. But women in west they start with party life style till they turn 30 and right around that age they start looking for "serious relationship" so no more hot monkey sex ! They do so and if they find one it takes max 5 years and become single mother and back on party again.
The reason that many men addicted to video games is because of nobody needs nobody in west. Microwave-fastfood society offers too much comfort and luxury that you dont depend on anybody. So from male perspective what is the point of trying anyway ? Sounds like Nihilism I know
Edit: If you are not Mr. Fifty Shades of Grey stop bothering with Sexual Market Place !
We are not addicted we are just trying to escape, same with gym, same with alcohol, same with self improvement.
I agree…in my old age of 50+…I am not only a nihilist…but also an Antinatalist and minimalist…My view of Western Society is like the meme Clown World…nothing worthy to be taken seriously, every ideal is skewed and what is accepted as real is ridiculously composed…so I don’t bother trying to make a point to use reason- since the status quo doesn’t gauge it anymore.,.when every point is a sophistry and feelings take precedence while every fact is tossed aside for the next useful ideology and propaganda, then everyday meaning is only utility and means nothing the next day.
Welcome to my world Turkey…I respect you conclusion immensely!
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Ne kadar güzel özetlemişsin.
researchers consistently fail to address the magnitude of this issue.
People ultimately need love and validation. When a man doesn't matter to a woman, when she doesn't gaze at him with a loving smile, tell him she wants him/needs him, that he matters to her.
A lot of guys have never had that.
This will cause disillusionment/isolation/soul sadness and mental health issues in men. No amount of material things, por* will be able to replace that.
The problem in the west is 2 fold. Incels can't get a woman and the ones that do get one, end up in divorce/breaking up or being cheated on and losing more than the lady. So they swear off relationships and end up lonely all the same. (Mgtow)
Both have the effect of creating lonely, angry, atomised ppl and broken society with plummeting birth rates. And can spell the end of that society.
What are we seeing in the west now?
Falling sperm counts, falling testosterone levels, births, marriage, and a rapidly ageing society, with catastrophic debt levels.
White ppl used to have close family bonds but now they no longer keep ties with family and send old ppl to homes.
Jobs for life are a thing of the past, from where they used to form friends.
White ppl lost their matchmaking culture and used to marry form within their own tried and tested social circle.
With all that now gone, internet dating and cold approaching/PUA random women that u know nothing about is the way. Which can be toxic.
Chase excellence regardless accumulate health and wealth for you 1st and foremost women should be the last thing on your mind
Yes! I watched the same interview with the roommates! I hated his response, “women are right not to pick you”
I left comments on that with my irritation of the message.
Edit: my biggest irritation was with his advice for the men. It’s basically just get good, bucko.
It’s frustrating because he is incredibly aware that, throughout history, 40% of men haven’t reproduced! Additionally, it is clearly way worse now. He should be saying, “ It’s no wonder men are afraid of rejection because that is all that is happening now”
He’s literally saying, just get taller bro, just educate yourself bro, just be confident bro.
Look, I get some women now, but there was a while where I wasn’t. I had a lot of weight on me, but I already had a good looks foundation. There men who can’t get any no matter what.
Peterson is completely unaware of the current dating meta.
...and YT probably deleted your comment. lol
@@redpillsatori3020
Hah! Yup! It was a good one too
Basically, the waman aren’t worth the effort Jordan Peterson is demanding.
If we don’t find a waman early and imprint, it’s pointless because even waman my age 26 are messes, demanding, fem-bots.
Trying to remember what else I said lol. Oh, I was a music director for a church and I stopped believing, and I found JP more and more frustrating.
But that's the thing, man are way more expandable and always have been. We need to understand this fact and build around it.
I think we want to pick the most desired partner, healthy, clean, and motivated
Not defending JP, but what other choice do you have? Complaining about it isn't going to change the fact that you need to get as attractive as possible if you want to get dates. The only thing you control is if you want to participate in the current dating market.
This is something that has bothered me about Jordan Peterson and his advice for years now. He doesn't seem very in touch with how it goes these days for the majority of men. I am so lonely I can barely breath some nights, but I have no chance even with women of very average attractiveness.
I don't know how to turn off the need for female validation, and I'm miserable. Logically, I know I don't need a woman. I don't need sex. Yet I still feel less-than normal and less-than worthy because I have been universally rejected by women.
Look at what women value and the choices they make. I quipped 20 years ago that if women ever did start to find me desirable, I'd know that I'm doing something very wrong as a human being. I've got looks going for me, but they always rejected me for being "a nice guy". Why would I value the judgment of people who are notoriously poor judges of character? Having no answer for that snapped me out of ever wanting their validation again.
I hope you're okay man. Find some bros to hang with, don't turn gay, find some cool interests and maybe a chick will be involved. You got this.
@Don’t worry Chill Which one is cheaper?
@Don’t worry Chill Hence the shaming. Cash cows need to be milked for all their worth.
You have bought into a narrative created by people who may mean well, but cannot see reality.
You said: "I don't know how to turn off the need for female validation"
That phrase is all kinds of messed up.
1. You have a right to your feelings and should never be seeking to turn them off because some twit says you should man up. Getting rejected is amazingly painful. Allow yourself to acknowledge this fact and realize that your reaction is a normal response to a totally phucked up world where we allow people to be alone and blame them for it.
2. The phrase "female validation" is their words and their agenda. You don't actually need or want female validation. You want to love and be loved. The pain of being in your position is a natural response to rejection and isolation. While men can function well on their own, a lifetime of that existence is toxic. This is normal. You are not defective because you lack this basic human need. Validation has nothing to do with any of this.
3. If you did manage to turn off your emotions, you would become numb and unhappy. More likely than not, the pain would simply build up and one morning you would decide that a breakfast made by Smith and Wesson sounds nice.
What you need is the one thing nobody dares to recognize. You need to be loved and desired and share that feeling.
My advice: Save your money and go overseas for a couple months. I would suggest the Philippines because something resembling English is spoken by most Filipinos and because Filipino women are far more accepting than women in the west. I am speaking from personal experience.
Peterson, the scholar of the normies and the blue pill of those who know what's up.
What women - and Peterson need to appreciate - that men not picking them - is equally valid.
When did he ever say he wouldn't apprechiate it? We can try and rip his stupid statement out of context or we can try to find what he actually ment.
I massively doubt he was supporting women's actual, socially disruptive behaviour. I think he ment, that women were always like this. It's what they are and young men need to accept it.
Each of them needs to decide to fight in a game that is dictated by women in order to be involved or simply leave it be. The point is, that he doesn't want young men to do the last, because he doesn't want them to avoid what they actually want. If there was no truth in that - why are we all here?
I am sure many men here, are very, very carefull with who they are hooking up or even just talking to at all, but they are still interested in women, aren't they?
Each of us needs to decide to try what we can and maybe even probably fail or try and find another meaning in life. There is not much inbetween.
We have to reject the cultural conditioning we went through and actually stop expecting a woman to see us as an individual.
"They are right", because they were always like this and it is just now, that such an uprise happens, because women can now fully utilize their power, thanks to the society we build for them. It doesn't mean that the bs, that they are talking is right.
@Jo Jo Exactly. Idk why SD is talking about Jordan, like he would have gotten his reputation for no good reason.
That guy is a clinical phsycologist and he is not living behind the moon. I never saw him look down on people and never heard him talk like he was never failing.
It's a man, who is actively fighting for a working society in a time where everything is going to shits.
I absolutly don't agree with everything he is saying, but he is not the incompotent old crook as described in this clip.
@@nocturnaljoe9543 The guy you are replying to hates Peterson. The irony.
@Jo Jo I answered you in the other thread. Cliff Notes: Men are complaining the bar is far too high for them, and the reward too little. Not to mention the danger is never reduced. How exactly are you a psychologist again? You don't appear to think like one.
@@nocturnaljoe9543 good insight
Jordan Peterson is the classic example of a tradcon. He may talk intelligently, but at his core, he holds the exact same values: women are right, thus, hold little to no responsibility for their actions or outcome of a relationship and men are wrong, and always responsible. Tradcons ignore the problem and it's why they hold no viable solution. With this train of thought, things will only ever get worse as more and more men check out, both from relationships and in some cases, life itself.
As for his women have more at stake, sure, that was the case prior to all the contraception, abortion laws and parental rights. However, has he been living under a rock for the past 30+ years? Women can back out of their end all the way up until and even past birth (adoption, for example). This is not even going into the effects modern promiscuity is having on men's willingness to get into a relationship and the likely integrity of it after the fact. I'm sorry, but tradcons have to be the most tone-deaf people in the modern day. Modern women and relationships to them are like a computer to your grandfather.
Actually It seems that he is not tradcom but rather a person doing research on tradcons. He is like atheist priest who know that there is no god but preaches the bible because he believes that it is good thing to do.
@@deltaxcd Let me ask, in your view, what makes him different?
@@Santa8aby Well like Peterson described himself tradcons are practically idiots, and he is not. Tradcon is a person who needs to follow rules and can't approach things creatively or solve any unknown problems. (and peterson definitely can do that)
Peterson works with those people clinically and talks about their problems. Like for example automation and obsolescence of people with low IQ who no longer have any place in society.
Tradcons are stuck in relationships between the sexes 1.0, which has been outdated for more than several decades now. The younger generations have only known in their lived experience relationships between the sexes 2.0. To the young, the advice of the old is alien, and with modern family law, and the courts, an outright dangerous advice to follow.
He's just another sandsale
In a recent social study, they asked men and women what was important in a partner. The results showed, that regardless of intelligence, ambition etc ... the most important factors, for both men and women, was how attractive and fun their date was. Every other factor was negligible in predicting dating success. It did not examine long term results but, at least in the short term, being attractive and being fun will dominate any other factor in dating.
Peterson is a gynocentrist to the core
Peterson is obsessed with proving that he's mommy's good little boy.
Very true, he needs petting by the Master.
Woman worshipping pandering sadass lameass simps are cringe
Lolol
@@daydreamdirty I'm Peterson's age. I know a mommy's boy when I see one.
many peterson fans are very delusional, sadly. I mentioned the divorce rates on a video about marriage and it was dismissed with 'pick the right person then.'.
Marriage is a public declaration that love is no longer a sufficient impetus to keep the pairbond strong.
Yep, the tradcons will always circle back to "Just pick the right woman, bro." just as their PUA counterparts will tell you to "maintain frame".
Same goes for the divorce, child custody, domestic violence laws etc. Not mentioned is the uncalled for and unjustifiable destruction done to husbands and fathers. And it continues today.
@@james3876 It never was. Humans are a polygamous species like most primates. In order to advance society we created this intricate social structure to curb our polygamy in the name of stability and the proper upbringing of children.
Love is just a chemical your brain produces to make you want to reproduce. It hits hard and fades away in a year. The "pairbond" bull does not exist in the real world.
He has a broad spectrum of viewers. Obviously, by default, normies will form the majority of his views.
I'm not one of them. I still think he is a great man, but has a blind side, or maybe hasn't found the courage to face this aspect of life. I just take the good and leave the bad.
This was a solid breakdown; very enlightening.
I’m sure all those single moms with men in prison were right too eh Jordan?
Perfect point. JP would never answer that straight.
Literally, all he meant was that if no one will date you , it's probably your fault and not every womans
@@pauljames1807 This is so dependent on your geography and how well you stack against others around you. Plenty of men who are decent looking with careers are alone unless they beta bux
@@RKO1988 Plenty of men who are decent looking with careers end up alone? Sure. Those men need to learn how to assert themselves, build up their confidence and learn how to play the game.
@@pauljames1807 Also what if you’re just not good looking and have your shit together? I assume it’s your fault as well even if you’re “asserting yourself” it’s so silly the dynamic is mostly looks based now more than ever before so you really cannot keep blaming men
OK, i'm not trying to simplify the discussion but in my experience men who are fathers of daughters tend to be the ones who defend the modern women, JP is no different, imo this comes from a sense of male honor and the need to defend ones family, I have grown to ignore the opinions of men who have daughters on the topics of women and I now always ask if someone has a daughter before engaging them
Good point about the ego investment, and yes the inability to criticize women's behavior - individually or collectively - seems to be a cultural problem at large.
Doesn't he have a son too?
Isnt it foolish to dismiss all people who have daughters if you are a man who hopes to have children one day? Wouldn't it be good to get perspectives from people who successfully raise children rather than those who fail at it or aren't interested in it?
I have to respond to your comment, I have a daughter, and have mused over how to breakdown relationships to her.
What I would tell a son is 180° different than her.
Son: don't even think about marriage until you're established and about 30.
Daughter: your S.M.V peaks at @25 don't sleep around, high notch count weakens your abilities to pair bond long term, etc.
I've read a dozen books on raising a healthy daughter, and the importance of a strong father's influence on them.
The modern woman's attitude frankly turns my stomach.
So I guess I don't fit your mold?
Myself I've quit dating and use all my extra energies towards being a healthy father to her, best thing I've ever been called is dad.
Interesting point sir 🤔
Jordan Peterson is a man with a mentality stuck in a bygone age. Some of what he says still holds true, but many of his takes are completely out of touch with modern gender dynamics. That and the fact he called MGT0W pathetic weasels doesn't help either.
when it comes to women he is totally out of touch with reality.
He did later concede that MGTOW make a lot of valid points. Unfortunately, he then acted very womanly by forgetting all of those points and not letting it disrupt his narrative.
@@bighairymeow9664 And pick up a free load while you are at it...
He comes from a generation that didn't grow up with the feminist narrative in place during their formative years. Unlike the younger generations in which the new social dynamics have been in place since birth. The young live in a world alien to the old. And the old save for some notable exceptions simply do not grasp this new normal.
Yeah that’s really gonna help let’s all just forget about the value a family fuck being a father and a husband I mean who cares I can’t make a life where I’m strong enough to lead a woman that I was smart enough to choose because she wants to be a woman which is a wife and a mother so forget it But I’m gonna go out here and tell other people What is up and down right and wrong
Even though I can’t control the Little Circle I Live in if it involves more than myself if everyone put value on being a man which is a husband and a father and kept his little circle clean and Lead it properly then the modern dynamics wouldn’t be falling apart
JP isn't just wrong, he's one hundred and eighty degrees from right.
TFM??
How so?
that's the left
I'm going to use this :)
@@activatekruger446 Yep. The only one I'd give a log cabin in the mountains too rather than toss in the oven lol
Look how his daughter turned out, nuff said.
I guess that means a 6'3 sociopath is a better mating prospect than a 5'5 engineer.
You know it LOL!
You barely scratched the surface.
1) Hypocrisy of his daughter - father raising a garden tool - never standing up to Tate
2) He is extremely old - dino advice for the dating market
3) Hypocrisy of his xenocentrism - drawing on Christianity against the Left, then drawing on Leftist ideologies (darwinism, gynocentrism) against the Right. He is an atheist so should only draw upon only atheist morality. Basically, he flip-flops depending on his immediate opposition.
4) His men are psychopath comment for sowing oats
5) His men are pernicious weasels comment for not wanting to marry 304s
6) JP went fishing ONE time in his life, and he caught a fish and mounted it a long time ago. So getting advice from a fisherman, who has only gone 1 time to fish a long long time ago, is pretty stupid. He has 1 Pokemon badge and been only to 1 Gym. So that hardly makes him a master.
7) He spent his youth admittedly reading a thousand books. He is the equivalent of Urkal in social awkwardness.
I have read 1000+ books, maybe i should start a cult make millions of them.
@Piece Of Shit that tate guy is the epitome of douche. he even featured on fresh&fit. stop kiddin.
@Piece Of Shit Sad to see you are this delusional Blue pilled.
Did you really define Darwinism as leftist ideology?Be consistent mate.
@Piece Of Shit TLDR
Peterson's own daughter was on birth control at 14 and still ended up with a child out of wedlock.
I think he has to clean his own room before he talks about other's.
But that's the past.
Maybe she changed.
The past can't define their success.
Women be picky because "pregnancy kills" . Contraceptions go brrrrrr....
As a woman ,i am picky because i dont want hookups ,i want a serious long term relationship and choosing the right men to be the father of my children
Peterson claims women are right for not choosing you based on darwinistic thinking. Ironically, darwinism shows sometimes the female of the species isn't always the best chooser as we know their mating preferences can be maladaptive. Fisherian Runaway is a great example of this and why Mr Petersons thinking is shallow and out of touch.
He subscribed to biological determinism of Nietzsche which is so funny to me , it's beyond belief since he got addicted to benzos which is not something Ubermensch would do, Peterson also preaches same bullshit philosophy like Ubermensch endures suffering and fights the impossible, guess Peterson is not much of a Ubermensch.
@@readplato morality is made up, nobody can agree on what it is, and it can only serve the purpose of maintaining basic social cohesion.
If your views are mandated by morality, you will eventually get replaced by those who adhere to evolution.
"laziness for conserving energy"
-good idea as long as you properly evaluate where laziness is appropriate and where it is detrimental to long term survival.
"gluttony for maximizing survival due to scarcity of food in the environment"
good idea if food is indeed scarce.
" mass grape as a way to maximize your genetic legacy"
Doesn't maximize your genetic legacy because it results in lack of social cohesion and increased tension. Evolutionarly mass grape isn't a natural practice but in extreme circumstance sexaul violence is a valid and reasonable strategy.
"murder of other men to eliminate mating competition"
as long as men are from another genetic group then its a big YES.
"limination of the handicapped to maximize efficiency"
BIG YES, 99% of time. Severely handicapped are a burden on everyone else and themselves.
People who follow evolution will out compete those who don't, morality is cope.
@@lordhater4207 agreed he’s just a pathetic dimwit who tends to use big words to say absolutely nothing his belief in god shows how illogical and foolish he truly is
My room is clean and I obey women all the time (all my bosses are women). I could not be more miserable.
Yup. It isn’t natural for a man to take orders from a woman.
@@truthteller4442 The illusion of authority allows men to cope with their existence and fufill the needs of the feminine. If they realised the truth (hint: a male spider), it would destroy them.
Is the mating and dating crisis a crisis because women are affect negatively? Just asking....
90% of homeless are men, women mostly affected
Yes.
What they are gradually starting to notice is that (for some unknown reason!) nowadays no matter how much they nag, whine, shame and complain, there are no husbands around to respond to it, and more and more single men are laughing about it.
In the olden days the complaints and threats of shame/cancellation used to be taken seriously and remedied quickly.
Not anymore.
Today its all a punchline and an invitation to her own public ridicule, for example, being addressed as “Karen”, a name now an epithet that humiliates, ages and disqualifies her sexuality all in one fell swoop.
This was not possible just 10 years ago.
Added to this is that women ripping each other down - never been more pervasive and brutal. Misogyny is not even necessary. Women despise each other to a degree men can live 100 lifetimes and never fathom.
So one could easily argue men today have no need to be right. That preoccupation is now exclusively a female one. There are good at it.
Let them be right
Let them be alone
Let them be
@@johannschultz3743 Interesting thoughts you've expressed, just wanted to throw out the observation that misogyny is something anyone can have as a trait, women included. Here's Merriam Webster's definition for anyone curious:
hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women
Yes! It has always been a crisis for men since approx 50% of men can't find a partner to have children with since the dawn of time. But for women even a 5-10% shift leaving them childless is a crisis that society needs to fix.
@@shepardabraham2574 Society cannot fix it.
And women wait it out as long as possible refusing to “settle” on men they view as beneath them.
It’s a like a war of attrition that women know deep down they cannot win because men don’t need them to survive, and if women wait too long they must either rely on the cold, damp, indifferent, unresponsive, cement arms of the government, or humble (humiliate) herself publicly trying to sexually compete with younger women who want sex but no relationship.
It’s all downside, lose-lose.
You try to tell them, and you are a misogynist.
It’s like watching a game of women’s basketball and instead of betting on the victor, you simply bet that there will be no traveling penalties, turnovers or air balls. All of those outcomes are not in doubt.
Love the witty sarcasm. Keep up the good work man, listening to you never gets old. "Chad thundershlong." LMFAO
Just another classic case of a boomer/old gen x’er giving a crap take on todays dating market, when they themselves have been out of the dating market for decades
Gen Xer here, married 15 years, 5 children,separated 6 years ago, went on a rampage for 5 years, I also get it now, from both sides.
JP is either playing it safe here or is flat out delusional due to his 2 decade + absence from the dating game. Anyone with eyes can see that social media has shifted women’s perceptions of their own value and the viability of a man in relation to that value. Women have went from dating/marrying men from their immediate areas average or not to completely foregoing these men entirely in favor of playing the genetic male lottery hoping to strike it big.
@Jo Jo You are right and men don’t understand how enjoyable woman find the company of cats. If I have to choose between a beta provider and a Scottish fold , the fold wins every time !
@@jposhpaws2588 True. I think it's best, at this point, that everyone goes their own way and we let society die so we can be conquered and ravaged by foreign peoples or even better yet, by the satanic elites who orchestrated it all in the first place.
@Jo Jo Which I am very familiar. I’m merely only pointing out how things were, to how they are now. I’m in no way saying women should settle for anyone. At the end of the day the choices they make are theirs alone.
@@chico9805 This fate could be avoided if some kind scientists could find a way to cause short men to grow taller and loose the chip on their shoulders .
@@chico9805 😉🎉
After watching a fair share of Peterson's speaches, one common theme I can point out is the over excessive use of putting the burden of responsibility on the individual and never on the system. If something bad happens to you, then it is your fault and not because the world is out to get you. TBF, this is not a bad mindset because it allows for individual growth but it can't work all the time and Peterson often refuses the notion that people can suffer from outside forces striking them down - with nothing that can be done.
His original position on MGTOW is one example ("It's not them; its's you!") but more so in the stories he sights from bible and his take being: "Every time they were flattened by god, they said that they were in the wrong, rather than cursing god as cruel & giving up".
This mentalilty can only go so far, before something breaks but he does not realise that or want to even acknowledge it.
It doesn't follow.
Personal responsibility means creating your own model for the world, not copy/pasting Jordan Peterson's.
Responsibility and authority go hand in hand. If a man is to be responsible for anything he must have control over it, or he's just the whipping boy from the medieval era. That's what all these egalitarian shills always omit.
@Piece Of Shit only in your weird simplifcation are these badboys 'purposeful', and the men addressing a problem crybabys who aren't.
@Jo Jo women have become self-reliant, and sensitive to social media. good luck sticking out (and for long enough time). this not only affects the men who'd have a hard anyway. even relationships are less stable i presume. the dating environment is not a constant.
@Piece Of Shit I admit that my quote there was more of a general paraphrasing of the mishmash of things he has said. He still very much neglects the system being a bad deal or the idea that there are forces outside of the individual's control, with maybe a few wishywashy thumb twiddle "wellllll I supposed it could maybe be the case..." -esk statements. Again, that is my perception, from binging hours of his content. Maybe I am wrong but I struggle to find any instance of him giving credit to the opposing idea.
Its the problem with the tradcon, in that they are unable to accept the nihilism in the universe. They build schemas around the idea of everything being in your hands. Stories about the hero slaying the dragon, saving the princess, haivng absolute agency and going on the heroes journey are stories that have been passed around camp fires since the first camp fire was built. As Barbarosa once put it "Men are human doings; women are human beings". I don't think men have an innate tendency to give up, as you said. If anything masculinity is willing to keep trying in the face of impossible odds so it stands to reason that if men are giving up, then there has to be a deeper issue. Especially considering we live in a world where people have the access to the most options.
This is an extra-cynical take but this mentality of the world and everything being in your control might be a grift. The poster of the strong stoic handsome warhero achieving glory to get smucks recruited into WW1, with a lower survival rate than ebola, because the system needs bodies to throw into the meat grinder. No amount of gains & cleaning your room can stop a single bullet from passing in your skull. A dangled carrot in front of a donkey, to get him to move the carriage. Maybe that is the cope.
Or maybe the cope was the friends we made along the way. XD
There are just some lines Peterson won’t cross. He’s very good at describing a problem but he always stops short of saying what the reasons for that problem are especially when women are responsible for it. He will quite accurately describe the issue at hand then finish off by saying “we don’t know why this is” or “we don’t know what to do about it”. In both cases that’s often and I think there’s intellectual dishonesty on his part.
I’d also say I think Peterson’s message to young men is somewhat dangerous. Essentially he tells them that to find meaning they must find responsibility for something other than themselves. In this current climate I think that’s a very dangerous message especially in regards to marriage, relationships and family. It’s really just a more articulated way of saying man up.
Well his logic was always just to do what makes you happy, but he cant explain why those things make people happy besides referring to evolution.
The correct message woud be to preach nihilism and tell those young men that existence and life is totally meaningless But will the truth make them happy? or it is better to tell them to take some useless responsibility and suffer all their life taking care of that responsibility rather than facing absolute freedom and lack of any purpose?
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" it is better to tell them to take some useless responsibility " who defines whats useless ?
its better to have any responsibility than none.
You don't have absolute freedom, you live in a society, that doesn't exist.
His logic comes from Stoicism. Nihilism is a losing logic, its good to self-terminate young man.
Nihilism is fire, young people shouldn't play with it.
"suffer all their life taking care of that responsibility" Suffering is what creates meaning for a Stoic .
Life isn't a walk in the park.
The way you think , the only solution for you is self-termination.
You can't think that way, and I don't think he's dangerous, not any more than people like dafty.
Nihilism is really dangerous.
Lack of purpose is the essence of a human being, the lack of purpose, it doesn't means its meaningless, it just means you decide what it means, Nihilism is wrong, you have to create purpose and you only do that by taking responsibility, even the useless ones. Until you have a solid base to discover/make your purpose .
Heck, I lost 10 years of my life until I learned that.
Its called, you said, "man up". It was the best thing I did, taking the responsibility for my own life.
To hell with society, If I keep blaming it, what good that does to me ? even if it is at fault, can I change anything ? no, so I focus on what I can change. Its that simple.
But younger people nowadays, they look at the sky, and expect society to give them something like purpose ? it used to be that your purpose was to work. Now that people are free they can't deal with it...
Do you get the essence of the problem ? too much false freedom, that really is just hedonism masqueraded.
You talk about freedom from responsibility , I wanted to know why people think that there's any good in that ?
Do you want to live like an animal or something ?
Like a dog ? who's given food, everything it needs ?
(I may realize your dream, because I for sure am working on opening the pandora's box of Artificial Intelligence, you are going to be a good pet for the machines, if you think that having no responsibility is freedom, in this way, dogs are free, they're the most free being on this planet)
"taking care of that responsibility" rather than "facing absolute freedom and lack of any purpose"
don't you think there's any relation between those things ? like a causation relation of sorts...
He might want to make another rule "don't get addicted to benzos."
Cuttin' deep there, buddy :D
bahahaha!
He paid the price for that.
I was really disappointed in him for that. You'd think a psychologist would know better.
@@SKPainify I don't like Jordan Peterson's messages and find him annoying, but everyone has faults and are capable of failures.
Damn bro I'm about to rope myself if you keep coming out with any more bangers
Btw.. I'm just joking love the videos keep them up👍
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The message of Jordan Peterson to men about relationships is be a simp…
I always love when the "boomers" try to educate us on the current dating market. He is 60 years old he married his woman in 1989. You can say anything Mr. Peterson but if you didn't experienced todays dating market and today's woman mindset your advice is worth as much as your average dating couch blue pill scammer. He has some good thoughts sometimes but also, he glorifies woman just as others.
Yup. If JP was younger and had to date in this current era, he wouldn’t be a teacher. He’d be an alcoholic, depressed couch-surfer that does nothing but hang out at the bar all day. I can guarantee that.
I’m amazed Peterson gets so much attention. He’s not particularly insightful.
Alot of his listeners feel lost and disgruntled with life, and don't know why. So he lifts these people's spirits by telling them why. He's basically everyone's dad.
Speaking eloquently is enough to fool most people. Babbling schizophrenic tangents become confused for wisdom and insight
he's controlled opposition so he is promoted and popularized
It makes one wonder if his personal guilt over his addictions and subsequently his failure to be there for his wife have clouded his ability to reflect without personalizing the ideas.
My dad was a junkie. He too was capable of profound words of wisdom and perfectly useful incites about many subjects. It would have been foolish for me to expect constant mental clarity, however.
Peterson just needs to clean his room and take on more responsibility
@@james3876 and have a tall glass of shut the hell up LoL like guys need more responsibility when the problem is they need more authority
@Voice ForBoys It's not about them being pegged as much as its about them being liberated. Oftentimes people have many contradictory desires and conflicting impulses meaning the thing they seem to most fear is actually that which they most deeply yearn for. Its more to do with giving men space and providing them a context in which to explore and connect with their other self, that one bitterly buried by the wrath of toxic masculinity global patriarchy. You are just homophobic
@Voice ForBoys With responsibility comes authority. If you're the project manager it's your ass if the project fails. You also get to order your underlings, because you are responsible and have authority over what happens.
Responsibility without authority is slavery, plain and simple.
If a woman wants me to take care of her she plays by my rules or she finds someone else. Unfortunately that's not how modern society works, so men check out and women go for the high score till they hit the wall.
@@james3876 lol
Peterson is mainly successful due to youtubes algorithms that give you his videos after watching something controversial.
>Peterson
>Controversial
Pick one
@@egg5474 Peterson is suggested to people as defuser. He's the safe space to walk men back from doing the radical things we know are necessary.
Correct...happens all the time.
@@killjoyredux8361 thats exactly the case
And I thumbs down them, Jordan can clean his room after I trash it.
Peterson also said you can increase your attractiveness by being more productive and generous.😂
Im shocked that he is a therapist and is ignoring that women can have a dark side too.
Most therapists ignore that.
Therapist are Not there to help you iron out your thought. They are their to iron out Thoughts so they can Fit in with society and not to make you a good person.
Theraphy is the ultimate blackpill
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast The R@pist
When a great majority of therapists are women, it’s pretty easy for them to control the narrative. They can very easily convince women as a whole that they’ve never been the problem and it’s only been the men in their lives.
JPs constant expression of soulless, hollow, and dead inside should steer anyone away from his message
He's suffering the internal conflict of agnosticism vs faith. It's a killer man.
He never struck me as ever being happy.
Choose your gurus carefully.
@@threethrushes for a man who has screwd up his life, it's surprising how many say they were saved by this man. If he used his screwups as a warning or learned lesson I might understand. But he is held up as ideal despite his terrible life.
I would love a 2 hour long video of you and Jordan discussing this topic.
You're well spoken and really good at presenting your case.
Thanks for making these videos my dude!
If women are right, then I no longer care that I'm wrong.
Women’s views today do not make sense and in fact their behaviour is in fact chaotic destruction. I think that Peterson is saying that men should just pander to their insanity in order to not be alone- because being alone and childless is a worse form of hell than bending a knee to something that you know damn well is “wrong” - in every sense
He’s tall, I heard this as the first thing my girlfriend used to describe someone she works with was dating, which means that’s what stands out first. Something that means nothing about any sort of doing. Height and looks go a long way.
I am 6'6 tall but never had a gf in my life. Strange.
@@rudy1999 exception does not break the rule
If women are right, why are they so unhappy? Argue results, not preferences.
They're only unhappy according to the manosphere. Do you really think they'd analyze and interview happy women?
I've disappointed in Peterson ever since he said justice Kavanaugh should retire after he's been exonerated from those BS accusations.
To be fair though Kavanaugh has been disappointing as a Supreme Court judge
@@skyyshott8445 yeah, we all thought that experience would redpill him to the bone but here we are
Yep you're 100% right in everything you just said... Especially that part about intelligence; my experience: women I'm interested in always end up picking the guys who don't know the difference between two, to and too.
The simple statement of ''If you are bothered by them, there's something wrong with you cause they are right!''
Is like saying Kyle is guilty cause he is guilty.
Sure Peterson, sure
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The only winning move is not to play.
The increasing use of alcohol and anti depressants in women must be from the stress of being right all the time
"Just right a novel, bro."
Haha... if men actually went by their biological inclinations...
He's (as always) coming from a world of "should". Women "should" be right because that would mean what they do is correct, and that's good.
Too bad should is the most meaningless word in the entire English language.
Society has many poorly engineered artificial modifiers applied to people's interactions with each other, we've got blind social engineers telling other blind people what the land should look like.
I've cleaned my room, in fact, I cleaned my whole house the last week and shit didn't change.. You know how the saying goes "Polishing a turd.. so on and so on"
He's a narcissist. He loves the limelight quite alot too much for me
Men are less approving of women because the legal system favors woman’s inclinations.
In order for Darwinian selection to be present, there has to be Darwinian pressure, something there is not
"Women are right"
Must explain all the "abuse" victims, single moms, and lonely old spinsters.
Exactly! And let's be honest most women don't have good track records of being right when it comes to picking mates....he acts like they do for some reason. Lol
I guess he's reneged on his "mgtow are weasels" apology now
It was never an apology.
He never believed it for a second. He was not happy that it looked bad. "I'm sorry that I said that in that way." The derision was real
@Jo Jo So true!!! Lmao😂😂 Men that get laid easily almost never watch JP
Jordan Peterson is blinded by his gynocentrism. Most of his really wrong conclusions can be tied to the fact that he cannot even see that women can be at fault. So when they are, he reaches ridiculous conclusions. In particular, the vast numbers of partnerless people is entirely due to hypergamy. "Cleaning your room" might help your dating life. (but it probably won't). However, it does NOTHING to address the hypergamy problem.
Hypergamy is NOT about what a man brings to the table. Instead, it is a pure competition. It is a comparison. As a result, how each man decides to behave does not matter in the big picture. 80% of the women are going to pursue 10% of the men NO MATTER WHAT. If every man grew to 6' tall, women would demand only men above 6'5". If every man earned at least $70K, women would only date men who make at least $100K. This is why JP is so, so wrong when it comes to dating dynamics. Hypergamy is a MASSIVE problem that is causing the collapse of our society. This falls totally on women. Men have NO CONTROL over this. Cleaning our rooms will net nothing even if a small number of men manage to climb the hierarchy enough to create an impact on their individual circumstances.
JP is smart enough to figure all of this out. But like I said, he is blinded by gynocentrism. Well that, and the fact that he fell in love with his "Clean your room" schtick.
his daughter literally leeching out his fame to start her own show. she is not entirely bad or wrong but it is so obvious why she's trying to gain a spotlight
Men have control over Hypergamy my dude, we're just not allowed to utilize it because of proxy violence and legal and social ostracization in gynocentric society. Male dominance and sexual dimorphism is directly and expressly for curbing hypergamy. In fact I think using male dominance outside of negating hypergamy is homosexual.
You're homosexual if you compete with men instead of cooperating with them. Simply put you are using your sex to dominate and emasculate him. This encourages him to do the same, because of what is at stake, his manhood. Even war does not escape the homosexual nature of competition. Men are going to have to collectivize, re-evaluate a brotherhood of ethics for one another and hold them to it in a strictly cooperative fashion to even stand up to gynocentrism, let alone topple it.
So damn well said
@@wretchedabyss1394 yeah it's over
I just read his stance on "women not being at fault" as just not giving them any agency. Which is kinda funny.
You don't blame hurricane or earthquake for destroying your home.
So being educated on primates mating strategies and underlying evolutionary reasons behind them years before JBP became popular, his gynocentric stance looks stupid to me because of the reasons he came to it.
But at the same time, same stance looks right because I look at modern mating as laws of nature: it's not right or wrong, it is just what it is.
And it is such not because of women, but because of conditions we as society has created.
Women were always like that, statistically
Really enjoying the streak of Stardusk videos
if women are right and men are wrong, then Tinder is right and monogamy is wrong.
Just look at the way his daughter acts lol
It's that gynocentric blindspot as TFM puts it. Even smart men are duped by it.
Low T men most susceptible.
I'm 60 and have never known a woman that supports herself.
They're everywhere in my country, including myself.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 lol i laugh at that, i work with all women and its basically like taking care of children so f ing needy on men for every little thing
I agree…in my old age of 50+…I am not only a nihilist…but also an Antinatalist and minimalist…My view of Western Society is very much like the meme Clown World…nothing worthy to be taken seriously, every ideal is skewed and what is accepted as real is ridiculously composed…so I don’t bother trying to make a point to use reason- since the status quo doesn’t gauge it anymore.,.when every point is a sophistry and feelings take precedence while every fact is tossed aside for the next useful ideology and propaganda, then everyday meaning is only utility and means nothing the next day.
Welcome to my world Turkey…I respect your conclusion immensely!
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Jordan Peterson applied the bait and switch strategy.
Never met a woman who thought she wasn't right about everything
Here's an example of how chicks don't find intelligent men that valuable:
I forget where I learned it but I think it was in an episode of Stardusk. Chicks don't find engineers attractive as a profession. Engineers have to be above average intelligence and they are mostly men. Engineers, as a group, aren't any more or less handsome. Their good qualities are their handiness. Most engineers have fixed cars, air conditioners, toasters, plumbing, computers and household electrical problems. These are great skills for a chick to have available yet they don't find engineers worthy of dating even though they make above average salaries.
What evidence do you have that suggests women don’t find men in the engineering field attractive? What profession, if any, do they find attractive? Just curious.
@@kieran9363 Surfer dude. Drug dealer. Criminal. And on the high earner side -- men who make a lot of money and command the respect of other men, like doctor, lawyer, CEO, etc..
They like the bad boy when young but want the beta-bux provider for nesting.
@@Burt1038 That's a great point. I'm talking about attractiveness. I think when Star made the video he showed a graph of how chicks rated professions for potential attractiveness (how well their profession automatically makes their parts tingle).
You point out how, long ago, chicks went to college to get the "Mrs" degree. Today, chicks want to postpone marriage and kids until their thirties (or at least that's what they think when they are 18). These chicks are looking for exciting men and engineers ain't it.
Today's chick wants to be an "influencer" on social media. They are looking to appear constantly living excitement. An engineer working his way up the corporate ladder isn't as exciting as a guy she can vlog her daily life with in a van going cross-country. She gets her wish for fame when the guy strangles her and leaves her in a ditch in a national park. Those crime scene photos will get millions of views.
@@CaptainJackSparrow110 I think you’re off on a couple of things. Women surely don’t generally want drug dealers and criminals as their partners. And I think you are making the mistake of casting people of a certain profession into a certain personality. Engineers don’t have to fit into the mold of a beta provider, and doctors aren’t always giga chads. Profession doesn’t describe personality. Sure there are correlations between peoples jobs and their personality but I believe you are over-generalizing here.
@Jo Jo intelligence just got more resources and women looked at the outcoime resources which was selected for
He's a tradcon bluepill, however you want to phrase it.
enough with the tik tok pronouns.
True.
@Piece Of Shit do you understand what a tradcon bhlu phill is? And what they believe in?
10:45 “Women like intelligence as a proxy…”
Thanks for the validation man! Always took my sail wind when I encountered this😓
When she leaves you, travels to smash Andrew Tate, she is right, you are wrong.
Always felt old JP was the quintessential "intellectual" controlled opposition. He's very careful to never point the finger at women or real problems while sneakily convincing men that cleaning their room and buying his book will help them "slay their inner dragons"
I never met a woman who were right - ever!
"Just clean your room buckaroo" But what if I do not even have the energy to clean it? What do I do? Rot on my bed?
You can't clean a room when someone takes a dump on the table every 30 minutes.
@Piece Of Shit I'm not a guy.
His premise itself is flawed. Why does it matter if women don't pick you? As if women picking you somehow validates you as a man. You could be a priest in a monastery and never have any contact with women, yet manage to live a good, perhaps even noble life. Who cares if no woman picks you?
Whether women are right (spoiler: they're not) is a separate issue. It shouldn't bother you if they don't pick you, because you have your own life to live. You go out and become whatever you want to be. The things you pursue should be up to you, your passions and aptitudes, not to women or other men for that matter.
In fact, it's not even about women. With respect to men, women just happen to be the gateway to sex, family, and validation. That's why they factor into the equation in the first place. In principle, whether women or men approve of or validate you shouldn't be your primary concern. You do you, and whether people like you or not is secondary. If they don't like you, why would you want to be with them anyway? Let them be, and move on.
With that aside, it's stupid to take women in a vacuum. Women are the only pathway to reproduction, so anything they say must be right. That's just stupid. Men not only compete with each other - they also compete with the welfare state. When women have their basic economic, educational, medical, etc. needs met by the government, they change their criteria for men. They don't need a man for those things anymore, so they seek other things like looks.
You'd be foolish to ignore those socio-economic dynamics and pretend that women act on their own accord when choosing a man. An average man that has a hard time finding a good woman isn't the problem, the welfare state is, and the doc is either blissfully ignorant or intentionally dishonest. Until you find courage to acknowledge and address the actual issue, you have no business giving advice to men - you're just going to mislead them.
Some one had to say it....Thank you for putting it out there
They never address family court laws either. I think a lot of men and even migt0ws would got back if divorce grape wasn't universally accepted.