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Something critical to point out that most people ignore. Air suspension is what causes camber wear on the model s. And it can be expensive when it breaks. The old model 3 has no camber issues if aligned and my tires lasted over 50k miles. The new adaptive suspension doesn't raise or lower so it also shouldn't have camber issues.
Too much negative camber cause inner tire wear issues not because it is air suspension. That can be easily fixed without some $40 dollars shim/washers or adjustable camber links if you want fancy.
There are no issues with the MS LR and Plaid owners with 19 inch wheels so that’s not true. Yes I believe stock there is more camber and toe out that needs to be there but a taller tire will really make things worse and the 21’s are a perfect example of that.
I think it was smart to make the new Model 3 Performance a little different (exterior styling and inside with new seats) against the LR and Standard Model 3. This will help encourage customers who value being different to upgrade to the M3P.
I'd be more interested to see how the M3P stacks up against the regular Model S Long Range. The specs and price are a lot closer. Currently own an older Model S, but I've driven the previous M3P. Never thought I'd ever like a larger sedan, but it's hard to beat it's practicality.
Ordered my M3P and expecting a June 2024 delivery. Been contemplating changing my order for a MSP. Financially the M3P makes the most sense but if you prefer a larger/more luxurious sedan with insane performance the MSP is the way to go; especially with the new/upgraded performance seats and steering wheel. Still on the fence but this video is fantastic! Size wise the MS has more shoulder room and if you're a larger person who drives long distances that make a HUGE difference. Might just stick with my order and get the NEW MSP whenever it drops.
I’m waiting for the Model S LR refresh personally. The Model 3 is TOO SMALL for my needs and I prefer the air suspension and drivers screen as well. Is it worth $21K more? Probably not but that’s due to Tesla overpricing it. For performance other than 0-60 the new M3P will still get destroyed by the LR with its 10.6@129mph quarter mile sprint and 670hp. The new M3P won’t do under 11 seconds in the quarter. Tesla decided to make the new M3 a mini S sort of so now they need to take the Model S to an another level if they choose to do that.
Great video. IMO.. the new Tesla model 3 performance “aka ludicrous” is Tesla’s best car right now for the buck, hands down !! ⚡️😎 The model S has camber issues which I am not sure has ever been fixed. Many owners complaining about the bad camber causing wear on the rear tires. 😬
Model S/X Refresh has a 100kWh pack, not 105kWh. The Tesla blog post is quite specific in saying the 4DU "can deliver up to" since we know the battery is not able to fill those shoes by that extent.
Model S “only” has 20% more cargo room but it’s a lift back it makes so much more practically with that extra space .. Also 1 thing not pointed out is the bio weapon defense mode heap air filtration on the S Also, sadly for the model, S, even though it has a higher wattage premium bigger speaker system, I heard that the model three still sounds better due to its 2nd subwoofer & it being a sedan or something it helps with the acoustics? Idk I’d like to test out for myself hopefully one day
Awesome comparison video! I very much like the M3P and would buy it over the MSP if I didn't already have a 2022 M3LR. However, I recently took delivery of a MSP and just find that car utterly magnificent! It is my dream car and stylistically is much more pleasing to look at than the M3P. It's perfomance is, hands-down, the best in it's class. A family sedan that is better than high-end supercars is something else. 😅
2024 M3P should be in the 10s in the quarter mile. It'll be a game changer for the mid-range gear heads that pull up to you that's for sure;) Best bang for the buck at that price! I have the MSP with 19" and it's doing 9.1 - 9.4's all day long (as long as i keep the SOC > 85% :D). I don't care about track prep, temperatures, humidity or drag radials. I just show up with a cup of Chai in the console ;) The days of sniffing the fumes are over... :P (oh but it's better than what you sniff... twister comeback lol). I'll be doing lightweight wheels & brakes and take the back seat assembly out... Should be in the 8s then. Just a little episode that happened the other day. My wife and I were in her 2023 M3P. Some 350z with rims, exhaust (no cats... very loud) and most likely a tune was tailgating her and then tried to pass in by going in the merge lane and back in which would of cut her off (not much of lane left). Well she hit it.. and the car just bolted which gave them plenty of room to merge back in behind us;) They raced at the next light and you all know how the M3P is from 0 - 100 mph :D Well as they pass us (after they lost badly) by with their exhaust pipes wagging between their legs... they flip us off :D You want it... you get it!
I am going to give this 12 months to see if there is battery technology improvements. Get the model 3 performance model’s range up around 400 miles and then I would consider upgrading from my 2022 model 3 performance. That would include the extra expense of paying off the difference of what I owe versus what it is worth given the prices were lowered putting a lot of Tesla owners underwater 😢!
Great Comparison Info!! Thank You. Rumors that Tesla can unleash even more power on the new Model 3 Performance...the limiting factor is the battery right now.
Interesting video, Jon! Unfortunately here in EU prices are more expensive (about 57K euros) and over the incentive threshold. In addition, battery is different and a little smaller and with smaller current capacity, resulting in lower total power. Please consider switching to metric system for your measures or at least use both imperial and metric. All those measures means nothing to your international viewers. 😀
Why are you comparing the MOdel 3 P vs the Model S plaid, When the M3P can just maybe keep up with the Model S long range? Its light years away from the Plaid in terms of performance.
@@THExKINGxKINGx Bro, Point is a Plaid is gonna smoke the Model 3. No one is on a race track and you know it. In the street which is all that counts..model 3 eats 1. period
@@redaanalla9458 Tesla does a refresh every 3-4 years. Plaid will hit its 3 years soon. Model 3 has gotten 2 refreshes in the 6-7 years it has been out. Model S got a lot of refreshes but it got one in 2017 and 2021. So 4 years. But Tesla is a bigger company now is 3 years for a big refresh isn't out of the picture especially as Tesla was holding back a lot with the motors of the plaid.
@@lachlanB323 yeah true well I meant first delivery but we all know Elon he will try to retaliate against lucid sapphire so yeah maybe refresh is just around the corner
The S Plaid is worth it for people willing to pay the extra for the higher performance. But when the Roadster finally becomes available at some point, will there still be a place for the S Plaid?
Yes…for those who actually want to have back seats and storage space. Plaid S will probably outsell the roadster. Roadster will be a fun weekend car while the plaid S is an all around killer for actual use.
I wonder what percent of M3P will actually spend much time on a track? I can’t even get my brother to take his 911 GTS on one even once. Aren’t most people just getting M3P for showing up ICE at red lights? As a new RWD M3 driver who is having a great time with it.. it might be fun to feel the M3P but then again maybe ignorance is bliss and I would have FOMO even though it would be even more likely I would get arrested or many tickets. 🤷♂️
They may offer a performance boost later like they did for the M3 LR. I still believe there will be a M3L. The new badge for the M3P is a screenshot of when you put the old P100D series Model S in ludicrous mode.
With the remaining rats most likely jumping ship.. don''t think it's a good idea to buy/lease any Tesla vehicles manufactured shortly after their recent mass layoffs!
I’m disappointed with the M3P (expected performance closer to Plaid), the RWD’s have slowed their 0-60, the Cybertrucks range and towing not impressed, let’s not forget faked 1/4 mile towing Porsche (see Engineering Explained), still waiting for V12 on my 2024.8, 2024.14 voice assistant? really? i like pushing a button to initiate a command, wait til your kids start turning on wipers from back seat, I’m hoping this is why Elon let so many people go. Looks like lately Tesla has been dragging its heels.
Ever hear of the question "how many angels can dance on the point of a pin"? . You're debating performance on mass production vehicles with what would have been "Supercar", or rather "Hypercar" numbers not long ago, (actually, I'll take that back ... Should be *current* Hypercar numbers!) and which are way beyond the skillset or even comfort level of most owners. . Then you move to speculation from an "expert" channel which sometimes uses dubious assumptions as a basis for calculations which then "deviate" further (but it gets clicks.... So what the hell?) . Next you throw in the now almost obligatory "I own one (so this must be true!!) and I'm not satisfied" FUD-like comment, Then a situation which can't happen (unless your 9 year old can hack a Tesla? .... While you're driving) Then a final couple of speculative, but not really fact based lines which appear to be a gateway for others to throw FUD. (Another common tactic... Throw a "what if?/ I think" line, aiming for a number of "I agree" replies, which when multiplied in "FUDland" become "solid facts" in the minds of the FUD faithful. . Maybe... Maybe not . Whatever.
How close? No other vehicle from Tesla other than the Roadster and the Cyberbeast are getting near 1020hp. Remember these cars need to be efficient and Tesla has already proved that point.
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The Model S plaid is more slicker longer and huge space in the back more power way more beautiful than model 3P !!!
Something critical to point out that most people ignore. Air suspension is what causes camber wear on the model s. And it can be expensive when it breaks. The old model 3 has no camber issues if aligned and my tires lasted over 50k miles. The new adaptive suspension doesn't raise or lower so it also shouldn't have camber issues.
Too much negative camber cause inner tire wear issues not because it is air suspension. That can be easily fixed without some $40 dollars shim/washers or adjustable camber links if you want fancy.
My model 3 performance 2019 tires lasted me only 22k miles. I don’t even drive it very aggressively….
There are no issues with the MS LR and Plaid owners with 19 inch wheels so that’s not true. Yes I believe stock there is more camber and toe out that needs to be there but a taller tire will really make things worse and the 21’s are a perfect example of that.
@@mtbmike9866 same here with my 2023 M3LR
I think it was smart to make the new Model 3 Performance a little different (exterior styling and inside with new seats) against the LR and Standard Model 3. This will help encourage customers who value being different to upgrade to the M3P.
That and the performance is cheaper than long range
I'd be more interested to see how the M3P stacks up against the regular Model S Long Range. The specs and price are a lot closer.
Currently own an older Model S, but I've driven the previous M3P. Never thought I'd ever like a larger sedan, but it's hard to beat it's practicality.
Buying a used Model S Plaid seems like the move here. You can get 2022/23 Model s Plaid for right around $65k.
But the new seats!
Ordered my M3P and expecting a June 2024 delivery. Been contemplating changing my order for a MSP. Financially the M3P makes the most sense but if you prefer a larger/more luxurious sedan with insane performance the MSP is the way to go; especially with the new/upgraded performance seats and steering wheel. Still on the fence but this video is fantastic! Size wise the MS has more shoulder room and if you're a larger person who drives long distances that make a HUGE difference. Might just stick with my order and get the NEW MSP whenever it drops.
I’m waiting for the Model S LR refresh personally. The Model 3 is TOO SMALL for my needs and I prefer the air suspension and drivers screen as well. Is it worth $21K more? Probably not but that’s due to Tesla overpricing it. For performance other than 0-60 the new M3P will still get destroyed by the LR with its 10.6@129mph quarter mile sprint and 670hp. The new M3P won’t do under 11 seconds in the quarter. Tesla decided to make the new M3 a mini S sort of so now they need to take the Model S to an another level if they choose to do that.
I’m guessing m3p pulls a 10.8 at 124. We’ll see
Nobody has made numbers yet . M3p is half the price after tax credit to an lr and a far better driving car . Nobody “needs” air suspension.
Great video. IMO.. the new Tesla model 3 performance “aka ludicrous” is Tesla’s best car right now for the buck, hands down !! ⚡️😎 The model S has camber issues which I am not sure has ever been fixed. Many owners complaining about the bad camber causing wear on the rear tires. 😬
also the ludicrous qualifies for the tax incentive in the US. no brainer
This is the exact information that I wanted ,that I've been looking for while now. Thanks!
Model S/X Refresh has a 100kWh pack, not 105kWh.
The Tesla blog post is quite specific in saying the 4DU "can deliver up to" since we know the battery is not able to fill those shoes by that extent.
Model S “only” has 20% more cargo room but it’s a lift back it makes so much more practically with that extra space ..
Also 1 thing not pointed out is the bio weapon defense mode heap air filtration on the S
Also, sadly for the model, S, even though it has a higher wattage premium bigger speaker system, I heard that the model three still sounds better due to its 2nd subwoofer & it being a sedan or something it helps with the acoustics? Idk I’d like to test out for myself hopefully one day
this is what i was looking for. thank you!
for me, the S hatchback is feature worth mentioning
I prefer the 2 year old models plaid.
S can not do 0-60 in 1.99 from stop
it's 2.1 if you count rollout.
Thank you for this video.
What about the look of Plaid interior and Yolk steering?
I peaked at one and looks more attractive.
Another important difference is that the model S has a hatch trunk, therefore a much larger access area.
Awesome comparison video! I very much like the M3P and would buy it over the MSP if I didn't already have a 2022 M3LR. However, I recently took delivery of a MSP and just find that car utterly magnificent! It is my dream car and stylistically is much more pleasing to look at than the M3P. It's perfomance is, hands-down, the best in it's class. A family sedan that is better than high-end supercars is something else. 😅
2024 M3P should be in the 10s in the quarter mile. It'll be a game changer for the mid-range gear heads that pull up to you that's for sure;) Best bang for the buck at that price! I have the MSP with 19" and it's doing 9.1 - 9.4's all day long (as long as i keep the SOC > 85% :D). I don't care about track prep, temperatures, humidity or drag radials. I just show up with a cup of Chai in the console ;) The days of sniffing the fumes are over... :P (oh but it's better than what you sniff... twister comeback lol). I'll be doing lightweight wheels & brakes and take the back seat assembly out... Should be in the 8s then.
Just a little episode that happened the other day. My wife and I were in her 2023 M3P. Some 350z with rims, exhaust (no cats... very loud) and most likely a tune was tailgating her and then tried to pass in by going in the merge lane and back in which would of cut her off (not much of lane left). Well she hit it.. and the car just bolted which gave them plenty of room to merge back in behind us;) They raced at the next light and you all know how the M3P is from 0 - 100 mph :D Well as they pass us (after they lost badly) by with their exhaust pipes wagging between their legs... they flip us off :D You want it... you get it!
Model 3 performance needs to have display screen in front of steering wheel. Make the car a two door option.
its needed that from day 1...having to look to ur right for vital info is ridiculous
I am going to give this 12 months to see if there is battery technology improvements. Get the model 3 performance model’s range up around 400 miles and then I would consider upgrading from my 2022 model 3 performance. That would include the extra expense of paying off the difference of what I owe versus what it is worth given the prices were lowered putting a lot of Tesla owners underwater 😢!
Great Comparison Info!! Thank You. Rumors that Tesla can unleash even more power on the new Model 3 Performance...the limiting factor is the battery right now.
The 3P is a great deal, it's just a shame how much of a range hit it takes compared to the 3LR.
Well done and spot on 💪🏻🚀🙌🏼
Interesting video, Jon! Unfortunately here in EU prices are more expensive (about 57K euros) and over the incentive threshold. In addition, battery is different and a little smaller and with smaller current capacity, resulting in lower total power.
Please consider switching to metric system for your measures or at least use both imperial and metric. All those measures means nothing to your international viewers. 😀
Thanks for the reminder to do metric.
Yep placed my order.
Why are you comparing the MOdel 3 P vs the Model S plaid, When the M3P can just maybe keep up with the Model S long range? Its light years away from the Plaid in terms of performance.
Wrong. Plaid is inferior to the model 3 in handling, nimbleness, and size.
@@THExKINGxKINGx Bro, Point is a Plaid is gonna smoke the Model 3. No one is on a race track and you know it. In the street which is all that counts..model 3 eats 1. period
Just ask yourself if you want a slow car or a fast car.
Tesla needs to refresh the ModelS/X.
Nah.
Bro the plaid was released in 2022 maybe till 2026 we'll get a newer version
@@redaanalla9458 early 2021 actually. So it has already been 3 years.
@@redaanalla9458 Tesla does a refresh every 3-4 years. Plaid will hit its 3 years soon. Model 3 has gotten 2 refreshes in the 6-7 years it has been out.
Model S got a lot of refreshes but it got one in 2017 and 2021. So 4 years. But Tesla is a bigger company now is 3 years for a big refresh isn't out of the picture especially as Tesla was holding back a lot with the motors of the plaid.
@@lachlanB323 yeah true well I meant first delivery but we all know Elon he will try to retaliate against lucid sapphire so yeah maybe refresh is just around the corner
Check alignment
The S Plaid is worth it for people willing to pay the extra for the higher performance. But when the Roadster finally becomes available at some point, will there still be a place for the S Plaid?
Yes…for those who actually want to have back seats and storage space. Plaid S will probably outsell the roadster. Roadster will be a fun weekend car while the plaid S is an all around killer for actual use.
Let me know if you’d like to use the new 2024 Model 3 Performance in a head to head!
Is it worth it to pay more for a better car in every aspect? common sense says yes, i say yes also..
it's clear how the model 3 performance is a model S killer. they will soon stop making model S and X.
Nope not by a long shot.
I have both the TM3P 2022 and TMSP 2024 and have to say the Plaid is better than the 3 by far. You can not even compare...
Wrong.
I wonder what percent of M3P will actually spend much time on a track? I can’t even get my brother to take his 911 GTS on one even once. Aren’t most people just getting M3P for showing up ICE at red lights? As a new RWD M3 driver who is having a great time with it.. it might be fun to feel the M3P but then again maybe ignorance is bliss and I would have FOMO even though it would be even more likely I would get arrested or many tickets. 🤷♂️
so it seems like you are trying very hard to put the S out of business?? good job at that
What asked to that channel for ev news that was hosted by the transwoman? I liked their channel but now I can’t find it.
2 model 3 performance for the Price or 1 model S.....
Or 1 model 3P and 2 model "2 ....
I go for 3 Tesla ....
Do tout follow me ?
i was expecting more performance from the M3P.
510hp for 45k after tax rebate isn't enough??
Me too, I was hoping for 0-6] in 1.1 seconds
They may offer a performance boost later like they did for the M3 LR. I still believe there will be a M3L. The new badge for the M3P is a screenshot of when you put the old P100D series Model S in ludicrous mode.
With the remaining rats most likely jumping ship.. don''t think it's a good idea to buy/lease any Tesla vehicles manufactured shortly after their recent mass layoffs!
Lol 🤡
SUPER🖤🖤🖤
Is the plaid worth 2 model 3 performances? For me it isn't, love the new 3
Have you done a comparison between the Model S Long Range and the Model 3 Performance? They are closer in price. Wondering your thoughts on that?
Great video, man. Thank you!
Seems that this is really comparing apples to oranges. Both are performance variants, but they play in different markets.
Can't wait to welcome that Model 3!
How does the ride of the M3P compare against the M3LR?
Watch reports from people who've driven it?
For the older M3P there’s no comparison. Harsher and louder ride overall for the M3P than the MS LR. Not even close.
@@ChosenMJ No one is talk in about the old one here.
I’m disappointed with the M3P (expected performance closer to Plaid), the RWD’s have slowed their 0-60, the Cybertrucks range and towing not impressed, let’s not forget faked 1/4 mile towing Porsche (see Engineering Explained), still waiting for V12 on my 2024.8, 2024.14 voice assistant? really? i like pushing a button to initiate a command, wait til your kids start turning on wipers from back seat, I’m hoping this is why Elon let so many people go. Looks like lately Tesla has been dragging its heels.
its a 50-60k car, its not getting near a thousand horsepower lmao
Ever hear of the question
"how many angels can dance on the point of a pin"?
.
You're debating performance on mass production vehicles with what would have been "Supercar", or rather "Hypercar" numbers not long ago, (actually, I'll take that back ... Should be *current* Hypercar numbers!) and which are way beyond the skillset or even comfort level of most owners.
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Then you move to speculation from an "expert" channel which sometimes uses dubious assumptions as a basis for calculations which then "deviate" further (but it gets clicks.... So what the hell?)
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Next you throw in the now almost obligatory "I own one (so this must be true!!) and I'm not satisfied" FUD-like comment,
Then a situation which can't happen (unless your 9 year old can hack a Tesla? .... While you're driving)
Then a final couple of speculative, but not really fact based lines which appear to be a gateway for others to throw FUD. (Another common tactic... Throw a "what if?/ I think" line, aiming for a number of "I agree" replies, which when multiplied in "FUDland" become "solid facts" in the minds of the FUD faithful.
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Maybe... Maybe not
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Whatever.
Waaaaaaaa! Waaaaaaaa!
@@rogerstarkey5390Please provide data and evidence that Jason from Engineering Explained gave “dubious assumptions” on his video.
Go ahead…we’ll wait.
How close? No other vehicle from Tesla other than the Roadster and the Cyberbeast are getting near 1020hp. Remember these cars need to be efficient and Tesla has already proved that point.