Could Dust From SpaceX Satellites Reduce Earth's Magnetosphere? New Study
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Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about the worrisome study that suggests satellite constellations may cause issues for Earth's magnetosphere and change atmospheric chemistry
Links:
arxiv.org/abs/2312.09329
www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073...
www.nature.com/articles/s4159...
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0:00 Controversial new study - dangers of satellite constellations
1:00 Sidenote: we don't know
2:00 Main focus and current issues
3:05 Pieces hitting Earth is a small problem
3:35 What about stuff in the atmosphere? Spacecraft dust
4:20 Initial results and current studies
5:15 What about ionosphere and magnetosphere?
6:00 Scary conclusions...but is it accurate?
7:10 Implications and why this is worrisome if true
8:20 Research needed
9:05 Possible solutions?
10:00 Atmospheric stripping
10:45 Conclusions
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My question is, shouldnt this degradation of the magnetosphere happen from meteorite burnups, which happen daily? Theyre mostly metal and silicate as well and have been happening for billions of years.
True, but are they magnetic?
@@rumrunner8019 they are largely iron
About 40,000 tonnes of meteoric dust each year.
IMO, I think this is just some fear mongering so governments have to make regulations for companies like Starlink, in order to "limit pollution" and at the same time slow destroy companies that "ViOlAtE tHe TeRmS". Just watch, this will gain traction with sh** libs and progressives and they will be protesting in the streets xD just a thought lol
That was my first thought too. 50 tons per day hit earth’s atmosphere from space. It will be a long time before we even get close to that.
Welp, adding that to "the list"
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Does the list have WWIII?
@@nitroxide17 I think it does 😂😂
Lolol
To be fair, it's not just about watching Netflix: remember when some phone company throttled communications for emergency services and practically demanded a ransom to restore them?
We're gonna have to deal with this at some point. Them space debris. We're leaving too much junk up there.
Sure, it's like the way we deal with microplastics and fossil fuels. We will have a solution after 100 years of them having had an effect on humanity and the solution is to blame YOU for what you did.
@@glorymanheretosleep Except this time the general population have nothing to do with what goes on in space
Yeah something like a strong magnet to attract a ton of the junk and then bring it down on the moon for future use. Perhaps building telescopes on the moon will be required. The problem is military use and honestly after not too long we will figure out internet everywhere without satellite use.
@@SamtheIrishexan And then what? The moon crashes into the Earth?
Most people today are too young to have seen the TV show 'Quark' (1977 SciFi sitcom). Basic premise is space ships that pick up garbage from ships.
An idea I have had for a few years is to have something like a space shuttle go up, retrieve the old satellites, and bring them back down to Earth for recycling. Better than having them burn up in the atmosphere.
Thank you Anton for a spectacularly nuanced discussion of the extreme danger of space pollution
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Potential danger. Nothing has been proved yet. Don't shoot your dog yet.
In my opinion, went a bit overboard on something that is purely speculative.
For instance, 50 tons of material from space burns up in the atmosphere everyday. A lot of it is metallic.
We aren’t close to that amount of material.
@@williammeek4078 it seems like everyone has a bias toward just leaving garbage everywhere and I wonder where that comes from... It is unnatural and frankly kind of offensive to me. Clean up after yourself it's not that complicated Don't put something into the world or the universe that is toxic... It's really not that hard
@@gweebara that is what Starlink is doing.
What happens to meteoroids when they burn up in the atmosphere and what are they made of?
More particulate aerosol in atmosphere.
Most are loose balls of gravel and dust, non-magnetic and not very conductive, primarily made of carbon, silicon, and oxygen. Not particularly problematic.
Some few have more metallic composition, but they're a steady-state phenomenon. The Earth has been in an equilibrium as far as how much metallic particulate matter is in the ionosphere due to natural space debris for billions of years. Suddenly we're looking to raise the level by many orders of magnitude.
A lot of the ones that _are_ metallic also make it all the way to the ground. There's a big difference between a 1 kg lump of iron ore falling through the atmosphere, and a 1 kg spacecraft made of foil and thin sheet metal.
@@barefootalien I was under the impression most meteors are made of iron.
@@Nurse_Nuggets As far as I know, relatively few are. Iron is a pretty rare element. Most are made of the most common elements in the universe that are able to be solid in a vacuum.
*Meteorites* on the other hand (asteroid = space rock; comet = space snowball; meteor = small space rock currently falling through the atmosphere; meteorite = meteor that reached the ground intact to some degree-think of these like ore, i.e. hematite, wolframite, etc) are much more predominantly made of iron and nickel. That isn't because they're the majority of space rocks, but rather because they're the ones capable of surviving all the way to the ground. Not only that, but the trip down actually concentrates the metals, as lighter/less durable materials slough off during atmospheric entry (not re-entry because they were never here in the first place).
What this means for the purpose of this video is that they _aren't_ burning up as thoroughly in the atmosphere and are _not_ predominantly becoming high-altitude dust.
@@Nurse_Nuggets Most are silicate rock.
as to starlink, i have no clue, but for once am glad this is merely a preliminary hypothesis, as we would all be "up sh*$'s creek" WITHOUT the magnetosphere!!!
Well the fact that 50 tons of largely metallic material from space hit the atmosphere every day without disrupting the magnetosphere should help you feel better.
@@williammeek4078 As they say "Ignorance is bliss"...
But the fact that it is giving you these "feel better" now do not interfere with "feel bad" in the future!
We are going through a magnetic pole shift. The magnetosphere is weakening with or without us here.
@@williammeek4078 no, it shouldn't. you are totally missing the point here with some weirdo fanboy spacex delusions. the point is we are adding to that 50 tonnes. the magnetosphere we have is what we *have left* after interactions with said cosmic dust.. adding *more dust* into the equation in what is a very fragile system isn't a good thing at all.
@@seanprice7645you want me to believe that the magnetic fields generated by the millions of tons of iron by the earth's core is a fragile system disrupted from a few car sized objects in space?
Turns out "move fast and break things" doesn't work out so well when you are dealing with the fragile conditions that have allowed life to exist; in the only known place in the ENTIRE Universe.
“Moving slow aint so safe either
@@bb5979 _"Moving slow aint so safe either"_ Yes it is - unless you are talking about how quickly we move to fix the stuff we've already broken.
There's plenty of places in the Universe that allows for life to exist. Just because we haven't seenit doesn't mean there isn't anythere.
We're simply too far away to know for sure.
@OfTheGaps
No, moving slow isn't safe either. If you move too slow, we'll all be dead before we get anywhere.
In fact I'd argue we aren't moving *Fast enough* . By all rights, we *SHOULD* _already_ have a space colony orbiting Earth by now if we had put our minds to it, but we haven't because we let capitalism and silly political notions steer the progress of mankind. We're still cavemen in a modern society.
Enjoy the Eclipse, everyone. 💪😎✌️
@@bb5979worked fine for evolution so far 😹
I remember the concerns raised when Skylab splattered itself across the Australian Desert. Luckily, away from habitation.
About 10 years ago a theatre student I knew was translating a play she was going to direct as her thesis project-I don't remember the name of the play. There was a scene where the characters were talking about their concern over where Skylab would fall. I was directing a show she was in at that time and she asked me what Skylab was and if it was real because she'd never heard about it before.
You might look up the Russian satellite that splattered radioactive debris over Canada's boreal forest.
For the past 4 decades I’ve been researching the changing effects within the ionosphere on the human brain (which also applies to all species on Earth), and this dreadful satellite situation is potentially catastrophic. Anything that interferes with the interaction of the incoming radio waves and other influences from the planets and also asteroids in our solar system, which are filtering through the resonances in our ionosphere, can change not only the way our brains work, but even the structure of our brains and nervous systems. We are not isolated from our environment. Electromagnetism is the basis of life. Thank you, Anton, for covering this. Great job!
well, musk is a living proof of this.
He is Russian, spreading lies aimed at Elon Musk. Kremlin puppet. 90% of meteorites that enter the atmosphere daily are made of Iron, Nickel and other metals. studies indicate that between 40 and 100 thousand tons of meteorites enter and burn in the atmosphere annually.
Every 2 or so years I have to get up on our flat roofs coated with ceramic roof coatting. I wash it down with a power washer to a single drain, we get lots of super fine black/grey magnetic dust as well as some larger particals up to 1/8 inch that are meteor stuff, I pick this up with a magnet in a plastic bag. Now I wonder how much of that super fine dust is burned up space junk. I would think at some size all these particals would seed clouds at some level.
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 😊🙏
I remember commenting this on X when the paper came out. There were a lot of assumptions in it, mostly about the composition and the weights of the satellites. But with thousands of satellites launched, it becomes a serious concern.
He is Russian, spreading lies aimed at Elon Musk. Kremlin puppet. 90% of meteorites that enter the atmosphere daily are made of Iron, Nickel and other metals. studies indicate that between 40 and 100 thousand tons of meteorites enter and burn in the atmosphere annually.
I remember that video of the satellite burning up.
Saw a gif image on your community tab several years ago.
Basically what we’ve done is turned our earths orbit in to a blender .
We?
It is already working as giant blender for billions of years.
@@jaroslavpesek6642 this is true Our solar system propelled through the Milky Way through other solar systems, it’s amazing I believe it all circles, a massive black hole, which is basically just gravitational anomaly that we fully don’t understand. The only reason It all doesn’t just gets sucked in instantly. Is our perception of time As you’re aware, time slows to essentially to a stop as you reach the event horizon . Essentially, I believe it’s all getting sucked down and blown back out over and over again but just over an immeasurable timeline. So basically, the big bang over and over again Billions of years trillions of years don’t even begin to Measure this time line .
@@WilliFRdo identify as a cat?
HUmans bra. Jk yeah none of us did it.
Yep that has been a question of mine for a long time. Figured it might have some impact.
Ironically a RUclips promo came up for Bandwagon-1 in the middle of this video…
He is Russian, spreading lies aimed at Elon Musk. Kremlin puppet. 90% of meteorites that enter the atmosphere daily are made of Iron, Nickel and other metals. studies indicate that between 40 and 100 thousand tons of meteorites enter and burn in the atmosphere annually.
Why is there no legal treaty or agreement about the responsibility of companies like Space X and others to clean up the mess they profit from?
Ask the Soviets.
Got to love it when you type up a comment about negitive exsternalities, hit post and it just fucking disappears thanks google.
@@Whitewing89 Can't have a lawsuit from Elon!
The only constant in the universe!!! For every action there is a reaction! Anton, it would be possible to produce a video regarding that beautiful ESA test? It would be interesting to know and understand how the managed to do it!
Astro9mers , recently spoke out about all the star link , and other satalites , polluteng the vew of galaxys , and with future launchers adding to the problem .
Thanks Anton
It's always something! 😮
Thank you. Hopefully we can have people focused on this for more information.
… I remember MANY years ago, seeing a “Thunderbirds” episode on the dangerous space junk up there. One of the guys was up there in his rocket with a giant magnet capturing big clumps of the stuff! He was really bored with the clean-up job.
I literally got motion sickness with Anton on the green screen boat. lol.
Imagine needing permission to get readings from space without human interference.
I think we are in that scenario as we speak.
On the other other hand, all of those magnetic particles cause a barrier to radio transmissions to and from space.
Increasing metallic dust could also begin to affect signal quality on both uplinks and downlinks. Someone might want to start looking at the scintillation effects.
This reads like half the plot to a really bad Asylum movie.
This is obviously just cover for the field collapsing naturally with the 12,000 pole reversal cycle.
I'd say the benefit outweight the risks. But I had no idea it was over 5000 Satelites in the sky. Always when I hear numbers like that, I get so surprised like...
Why the f- do we have so many sattelites instead of like having a few massive orbital ones capable of transmitting far wider at strategic places.. Or why do we have so many satelites and yet they still aren't building space colonies ( _no, no counter argument can defeat this_ ). Basically what I am saying is that we're behind on the tech scale.
what about the study stating that man made radio transmissions are adding to earth's magnetosphere?
Interesting…. I hope my research on pLEO constellations (mega constellations) will help here. :)
Thanks for bringing this issue up. I never would’ve thought of this
Find it fascinating that you call a study from August 2023 an 'older study'. As an academic Yeah sure this is not super new, but papers released less than a year ago are in my book pretty new. Then again, I'm mostly involved in medical studies that take years sometimes even decades to get published. And get referred to for years and years after (if it's a good paper).
/ face palm! Anton at the rate we are going we wont be able to sail our boats through trash island and watch Netflix at the same time anyways but it appears as above so below. I seen this NW State video about these sea pickle organisms that grow in the tropics that are moving into the area of Oregon so I've been a little sour anyways.
I support the study and management of these constellations. 👍🏻
Your language was incredibly biased toward the negative, however.
“The worst case outcome doesn’t look good” is a truism if we can agree that of all possible changes we’re capable of making at this scale, the standard distribution of outcomes is centered on no significant change.
What gives?
The magnetosphere has been weakening for a century now, long before satellites.
Yeah, this is a stretch to claim its due to humans at all. We know the polarity flips regularly and that we are currently in the midst of one and have been for a while.
Geomagnetic excursion will deal with all of this.
Definitely need more studies done on this!
Slowly closing the door on the chance to explore the universe either via telescope or space exploration.
I ALWAYS WONDERED if punching holes in our atmosphere could do damage. Seems that it would
I dont think we really need satellite constellations
The author of this paper (S. Solter-Hunt) is involved in a company called Astroplane
This is a competitor to Starlink.
I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her.
This took me 10 mins to research and should of been included in the video.
Conclusions for hire "science" is troubling.
@@Terran.Marine.2 no shit...
This was what I was thinking all years , and maybe to effect the climate
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Thanks
Thanks for sharing Anton! You educating the masses is what we all need!
Boost and (reduce recycle) using a solar kiln in the future.
My big concern is silica being turned into plasma that cools into spheres coated with metallic substances, on the outside or inside of the sphere, that are small enough to stay suspended in the upper atmosphere or magnetosphere. What will they do to heat absorption / radiation when 40 thousand burned up satellites worth of them have accumulated?
Looks like we need MEGA-MAID
Oh my god, it's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to blow.
I love my Wonderful Person Tshirts
Looks like a 'cage' around the planet, one misstep and we're suck on the ground. Cheers Muskie, your a real champ mate.
It is what it is. Rich gotta rich. Enjoy the Eclipse, everyone. 💪😎✌️
I'm actually watching this on my boat in the Pacific Ocean near Tahiti via Starlink 😅
You are responsible for destroying astronomy and throwing garbage in our atmosphere!
Hello wonderful Anton, thank you for being us fascinating updates about science
Or it could be the core cooling that is causing a weakening magnetic field, we are also undergoing a magnetic field reversal and that process weakens the field aswell.
The core COOLING? Ummm.... you mean like "universal entropy"? Or do you mean BEFORE the Sun expands to our orbit?
We need a harvest station. Could call it the Harvest Moon. Treaty that says launch no satellite that can not link up with the International Harvest Moon recycle or relocate.
The ozone layer, 3 to 6 mm in thickness, is in the stratosphere (15 to 30 km altitude). In addition to the launch of thousands of satellites through this fragile barrier, doesn't the reentry problem also add immensely to poking more holes in the ozone layer?
Not really, ozone layer isn't affected by entering bodies, it just gets displaced, as gases tend to do.
Funny thing about it, it's actually regenerating, as it has time to do now, thanks to a worldwide ban on industrial use and production of chlorofluorocarbons.
As opposed to the tons of metallic micrometeorites that burn up in the atmosphere every day.
The ozone hole is not an actual hole, just a figure of speech to say the ozone is depleting. Also, ozone is not really an actual "few mm thick layer": the ozone thickness indicates the space that would be required to accomodate a layer of pure ozone 0.01 millimeters thick at a temperature of 0 degrees Celsius and a pressure of 1 atmosphere.
But I'm no physicist so I would appreciate anyone correction if I'm wrong.
@@CrossoverManiac The "tons of metallic micrometeorties," a misleading aggregate, burn to ash at a higher altitude, some in the thermosphere (above 90 km), most in the mesosphere (50 to 85 km), whereas the ozone layer is located in the lower stratosphere.
If we even want to have any constellations at all we need to maximize the time the satellites stay up there and we need to minimize the amount of satellites themselves. Also don't forget that rocket launches are pretty, pretty much polluting. Netflix for ocean liners is not worth it.
Jeebus, ionospheric metallic aerosols. Where's that vacuum cleaner from Space Balls?
That's exactly what I was thinking when I watched this video.
Very interesting information, thanks 😊👍
Id saaaay nah this paper is gonna fall trough with more research
Maybe the "Great Filter" is a bigger list of risks we have to survive than most people imagine
When our sun micro novas this century the dust will increase by a million times.
Have they tested how fast the aluminum particulates would oxidize in such environments? Or if it would?
Always wondered if you had a ring of satellites in low Earth orbit with big copper plates and another ring of satellites in a higher orbit with big magnets could you generate a magnetic Field due something like that on Mars to make it more habitable
IIRC, the proposal was to put the artificial magnetic field in the Mars-Sun L1 Lagrange Point. So it would be placed in the Earth-Sun L1 Lagrange Point. And it wouldn't be a magnetosphere as much as a form of shadow shielding. A complete artificial magnetosphere enveloping an entire planet would be too difficult.
This reminded me of something. Our next door neighbor telling me aliens are trying to communicate with him, because he found a bunch of I's and E's on his roof. I explained to him those are just parts and a small transformer. Keep in mind he was in his 30's, and I was a 14 year-old kid then.
Oh no, profound impacts of the industrial revolution which we have done nothing to abate or refine at any single point whatsoever! Who could have imagined?!
The space version of global cooling. I mean warming. I mean change.
Ignorance was bliss
Main unknown, potential quantity of man-made dust vs natural dust from meteorite bombardment?
@Anton. You write: "Dust From SpaceX Satellites". In which way are Spacex's satellites different from other satellittes?
Has anyone looked at the effect that charged solar particles that create current flow in the Arora effect the earths magnetic field? Do we live inside a giant solenoid because the Arora conducts electricity, thereby producing a magnet field? AC or DC? What is the magnitude of the field? Does it affect the earth's core, another electrical conductor? How much energy is induced? Is there an induction heater effect in the core? Can the large number of satellites influence this?
I’m reminded of the Prime species from Peter Hamilton’s Pandora’s Star/Judas Unchained. Elon and Morninglight Mountain have some things in common.
Hello wonderful people 👽
While my WiFi isn't the best I don't think the hilly terrain of the English-Scots border qualifies as 'boondocks'. Highlighting the potential pollution of reentering satellites is important. Clean-up should be the responsibility of the industries that caused the mess.
Next, 2 million Roomba vacuum cleaners sent into low earth orbit...
I love how people are completely ignoring what is actually being said.
1. We don't know.
2. We need to know.
3. We know not knowing could have some pretty extreme risks.
4. We don't want to end up in a situation like Mars or Venus.
5. We want to live.
That's more or less what he is saying. Unlike lead, this is a situation that could literally reduce the earth from hundreds of trillions of life forms to only a few million and to give you a hint, we would not be one of those lifeforms to survive such an event. Hundreds of thousands of years? Try within our great great grandkids' lifetimes.
This would make for a great disaster film. That would get people worried. To get the word out forget the science go for entertainment.
Don’t we currently think that the magnetosphere has been slowly but increasingly losing strength since about the 1860’s?
It looks like some kind of satellite Dyson sphere.
Is the issue magnetic particles, or ferromagnetic? If it’s magnetic, then wouldn’t the particles be demagnetized by the heat that produced them in the first place?
We create an electric field and blame dust, plus ignore known cycles
Whatever the effects of this dust phenomenon actually are, we will not stop ... because we can't. As a species we have severe OCD combined with a complete lack of self-awareness. Screwing things up, destruction and crapping in the well is what we do .... oh, and, in addition, as Chris Hedges said, War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning.
😅 if I were at my friends Charlie or Charles house, I’d be watching this through Starlink. But seriously, Starlink can give access to human knowledge worldwide. But most importantly, to remote regions where assistance is immediately needed and knowledge of how to handle emergencies. So I support Starlink.
Watching Netflix on a boat with offline downloads is an option, and the cost of data storage is so cheap that offline watching of personal downloads is cheaper than subscriptions.
One can only wonder as no one has ever asked permission from the planet's inhabitants. There's a lot of unknowns in what we are doing...
“Who cares-!? Profits!” 😢😢😢 Only when the last river dries, and when the last tree has perished-
The Starlink satellites weigh 536 lbs not a metric ton
In the future:
"That's not a cloud of smog surrounding Earth. It's the satellite network?
50 tons of material from meteorites burn up in the atmosphere every day. The total mass of the Starlink constellation is about 4000 tons at the moment, so equal to about 80 days of meteorites burning up in the atmosphere. Starlink has been built up over the past 5 years. So if the satellites burn up over a similar time scale, that's about 2.2 tons of material burning up every day, or an increase of just 4.4% over current levels. I doubt that'd affect the atmosphere much. Maybe there's higher quantities of certain metals in Starlinks than meteorites, but still seems unlikely they'd cause that much of an impact on the atmosphere or magnetosphere. I agree more research should be done, but this paper seems alarmist - at least based off how it was presented in this video.
My apartment building moved to starlink even though we live in a downtown area w/ great internet (probably bc they saved some money). Anyways though now my internet goes out intermittently on a daily basis :( very sad about it. I'm assuming its great for people who don't have a better option though, the speed is decent even if not always reliable.
Starlink isn't about getting cat pictures on your yacht. It's a communications channel that cannot be blocked by any governments. It is really interesting that this study is getting attention days after musk gave the middle finger to a bent judge.
Cannot be blocked?
Lmao, you believe this nonsense?
You’re joking, right? Musk will do the same thing with Starlink as he did with Twitter. It will be used for his propaganda and opposing views will be blocked.
I still have questions about what creates our magnetosphere. Metal’s lose their magnetic properties well below the temperature required to liquify
Don't think of the earth as a magnet it's a dynamo. Think electro magnet and not bar magnet.
Tell me you dont know anything about how materials and planets work without telling me that....
@paintballercali
But even a dynamo requires the material involved to be able to hold a magnetic field. Metal loses its magnetic ability at relatively low temperatures.
And the only experiments I’ve heard of, use metals that are liquid at room temperatures.
@@edwardteach3080 it just needs to be electrically conductive.
@@edwardteach3080 The magnetic field simply exists as a function of current flowing, i.e. electromagnetic induction.
I'm amazed that I once admired EM. For many reasons, he's the epitome of 'If you don't die a hero, you eventually live long enough to become the villain.'
When people found out he's a libertarian who believes in freedom of speech, of religion, of the press, etc. they turned against him.
One highly speculative paper is all it takes to condemn Elon Musk. My faith in people being scientifically literate and not letting their personal biases get in the way of scientific rigor has been renewed 🙄
A good test of these papers is to ask how much cosmic dust is currently in the ionosphere or below the Van Allen belts, Tell them to give you a time series data table ... I don't know I don't think the science is sound on this one, it feels like another model thought exercise that hasn't any basis in reality. I'm going to keep reading and listening, but I'm not sold on this one yet
who would have though.. what a surprise...its not for humanity but against it oh wow. poor hypnotized masses
Do satellites have to be made of metal, could make them out of carbon fibre or plastic? Is it metal because of large temperature swings in space?
greenies will be against it. carbon turns into co2 when burning. gretta can go mad about it.
I have an idea, GET OFF EARTH TO RESEARCH SPACE. Push for setting up off planet bases with observatories and what not. We can’t do everything just sitting here. Personally I like the idea of starlink, no one else has come up with a better option for providing internet to everyone anywhere
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