For everyone who does not know. It is the DD Crow vs Benten ruling. You can DD Crow a tributed Benten, which stops its effect. You could also Burial from a Different Dimension it if Macro is up, and achieve the same effect. IIRC, it is an issue of the card no longer knowing it was destroyed, as the card did NOT go to the Banish by it being Destroyed, it was sent there by a CARD EFFECT. The previous status of it being destroyed is no longer visible to the card, and thus, it cannot trigger. If this helps understand, afaik, Supply Squad would still trigger as the card IS being destroyed, it's just that Areadbhair banishes Dispatch before it can trigger while being a viable activation. Dispatch is the only card that doesn't get to see itself go boom. Areadbhair is NOT a replacement effect. This is notably NOT missing the timing.
"In Vegas all the oranges have money in them." I love the idea that there's this Magician's guild in Vegas that uses magicians as a front for controlling the production of money that grows in oranges. And the only guy actually doing a trick is the guy with the lemon.
7:00 unironically not to be a MBT meat rider but I think a big part of his sealed evolving was just playing against Mbt with every sealed pack and in so many sealed formats and since you’re kinda addicted to 10 minute testing and you know the randomest decks really well he just had to get better rather than be clowned on yk like genuinely playing against a guy who plays every deck kinda made doug better at getting each deck and what’s the best to know, like I believe you’re a good part of it
Bro managed to take turns while one person is just a commentator 😂 but fr I’d say yea Doug has been doing this for 6 seasons and is playing against people who have play tested a boatload of decks
@@Finalslashesyea that’s what I’m sayin, like farfa isn’t the best cause he still really only ever plays BA or scripted combos, while Joseph practices with the worst things you’ll ever see, feel like that means by playing Joseph ya kinda just learn more
Joseph was losing his shit during the ruling thing when this interaction was literally the first ruling question on coder's game show where joseph himself was the host Ps: although it is understandable that he forgot since it was 2 years ago
50:47 Dispatchparazzi's on destruction effect is a when conditional (not activatable unless it reaches the condition at the end of the resolution), which is important because the last thing that happened in the entire battle is that the sent to the gy is being overwritten by the banish effect via Areadbhear's effect, not the battle destruction, thus missing the timing. It's not an easy one to know 100% how it'll work, but hilariously, the exact same question was on the Duelist Aptitude test. Mirrorjade in a similar situation cannot activate his effect because his effect is based on a condition, that is that the fusion summoned card leaves the field because of an opponent's card, which would be fulfilled, except if it's banished right after it leaves the field before the chain is resolved, thus missing the timing for the conditional Btw, the reason why the MD client doesn't give you the "missed the activation timing" is because there was no activation involved. It's a conditional, and the game won't tell you if you missed timing for a conditional (denoted by :) In the next ep, you can also see that Dispatchparazzi's conditional effect is activatable after it was sent to the GY and the damage step has resolved. At that point, the last thing that happened was Dispatchparazzi's battle destruction
Ok about crash battle phase effect. If you noticed the animation when the card crash it not only crack but also got pop animation. Dragunity immediately banish it before the second animation
Mbt also did this scenario too coder in his does coder know unchained rulings video that if a zoo chaukenine (don't know if i spelled it correctly) that has the effect after battle calc banish the aruha the aruha will not trigger despite it being destroyed
If you want to get a full explanation on this interaction, the most well known example of this strange interaction is the Benten vs DD Crow ruling, where, despite DD Crow not negating, it completely prevents Benten from activated if tributed as cost. Basically, the card doesn't think it was destroyed by battle as it changed zones (it WOULD still work if it was banished by the continuous effect of a D Fissure or Macro Cosmos).
@@Sassaparilla Lowkey one if the worst rulings in YGO, it makes almost no sense to anyone who has played the game, and it confused people every time it comes up.
MBT on Doug: a heartfelt compliment on how he's become a better sealed duelist over time MBT on Farfa: a heartfelt compliment on how much better looking he is now MBT on Gage: move your head you fuck 😂
mfw Areadbhair says " ...after damage calculation: You can banish that opponent's monster. " and not " ...any card sent to the GY is banished *instead.* " It's not redirection so the Dispatchparazzi left it's trigger location (from what I understand about current rules. This Ruling is weird AF if that's not the case)
So, it's the Benten Vs DDcrow Ruling if you didn't know. Same happens if you tribute a Benten as cost, and then it gets banished by Crow. This would not be the case if it was banished by Macro Cosmos. It isn't just the fact that it didn't go to the graveyard, that is just one of the symptoms required for this to occur.
@@Sassaparilla The Leaving the Triggered location was the only thing I could think of on why it'd fail. Like I said in my Original comment; if it's not "Leaving the Triggered location" then this ruling is a classic "Konami said so".
From my understanding of the card text, first the battle occurs, then which person lost the battle is decided and thus which monster is destroyed, then damage calculation, then destruction is processed. It is only after destruction is processed does the effect trigger, so it would appear as if the effect only triggers once the monster hits the graveyard. There's a brief window before destruction is processed but after damage calculation where Gage's effect can activate. The monster gets banished before destruction can be processed, and banishment overrides destruction so the destruction never occurs. This is effectively a negation to effects that activate due to being destroyed, and can (probably) also occur if the card is shuffled before destruction.
Additional context, Areadbhair is quite honestly just another example of Konami not being able to decide on when destruction occurs so, the yugioh community just has to jump through hoops and further break down phases into specific subsections just to explain why destruction technically can occur both before and after damage calculation, and whether an effect triggers before something is sent to the graveyard or before banish effects can occur depends on whether it says "before damage calculation".
I think the reason the link monster doesn’t trigger is the same ruling as Drytron tribute Benten chain d.d.crow A monster needs to be in the same location where it met its trigger in order to activate. So the link attacks the synchro and is destroyed by battle but the synchro banishes it “after damage calculation” so it’s no longer in the same location where it met it’s trigger, so it doesn’t activate.
Yeah, which is why it would work under macro cosmos; because it stays where it met its activation condition. On the other hand, I feel that even if it did not work like that, it would be ruled that it was banished by Areadbhair's effect instead of destroyed by battle which in a way is the same explanation.
@@jk844100 yeah I know, which is why a hypothetical scenario. Also a reference to silly interactions of destroying by effect during the damage step where it does in fact override
Damn it, I started watching this episode today (holding out for the reaction) and this comes out the same day, just my luck (although always good to support the original release too)
I wish last place just got an extra 5 packs for the banlist episode, rather than two extra bans. Being able to get two 10 pulls from the same pack, or a 10 pull from 2 different packs, can be pretty impactful, and I personally would rather see Farfa get a power up, then have everyone else brought down to Farfa's level.
You definitely should not be able to open a single pack of a set, to craft 1 specific genericly good card to then open the rest of another pack. Craft should definitely go to the pack that you open 10 of
Usually I defend obscure rulings in Yugioh but this one I don't like because it wasn't intuitive. It has to do with monsters leaving their position before having a chance to activate or something.
Yeah, them being Japanese makes their designs basically the perfect example of Japanese character design. If you want to know why an anime character is designed a certain way (at least prior to 2015, when they went all in on pandering to the west with garbage), there's a YGO DM character to explain the concept with. They're not necessarily the best design of that concept, but it's really easy to understand them all in just one single place.
MBT if you read this comment i will tell you how Farfa wasn't able to use his monsters effect. None of them read the card. It was gages card. Gage didn't read his own card. His card Dragunity Draft has a second effect. It makes it immune during the damage step and because it is getting banish it doesn't get to destroy anything. Once the damage step is over the card basically fizzles out. If anyone wants to say that it wasn't because of Dragunity Draft then go read the battle rulings of a destroyed monster. The monster is consider destroyed at the damage step anything after the damage step doesn't matter because everything triggers during the damage step before you go back into the battle step. Also i know Draft says "attacks" yeah so does some of the Kashtira cards that as the same but if you attack them their effects can be activated and it doesn't say on any card that does this "If your monster attacks or is attacked" You can read Fenrir and you can read Jet Dragon. Draft protected the card through the damage step which meant farfa card just fizzled out because it couldn't destroy a unaffected monster.
Draft has no effect on why the dispatchparazzi didnt trigger. For one, the draft only applies when the Dragunity monster attacks. Kashtira monsters also dont trigger when they are attack so I dont know why you cited them. The dispatchparazzi just didnt trigger here because after being banished during after damage calc it is no longer treated as having been destroyed by battle
someone in the chat already gave that explanation and he explained why it's not correct. also the kashtira monster effects *will not* activate if they get attacked, don't know how you got that in your head. monster effects that activate when attacking or when attacked will be templated as "if this card battles an opponent's monster" or "when an attack is declared involving this monster."
I can not wait for him to react to this week’s episode. He’s gonna love it
In twitch, they are already on episode 9, wait till you see what Gage builds full power next!
The TRUE gas leak episode
It wasn't just gas leak, it was full on institutionalization. They full on lost it. They had a 10 minute conversation on mulch... MULCH!
The gibberish they were chatting this week was on a different level 😅
No they’re not
For everyone who does not know. It is the DD Crow vs Benten ruling. You can DD Crow a tributed Benten, which stops its effect. You could also Burial from a Different Dimension it if Macro is up, and achieve the same effect. IIRC, it is an issue of the card no longer knowing it was destroyed, as the card did NOT go to the Banish by it being Destroyed, it was sent there by a CARD EFFECT. The previous status of it being destroyed is no longer visible to the card, and thus, it cannot trigger.
If this helps understand, afaik, Supply Squad would still trigger as the card IS being destroyed, it's just that Areadbhair banishes Dispatch before it can trigger while being a viable activation. Dispatch is the only card that doesn't get to see itself go boom. Areadbhair is NOT a replacement effect. This is notably NOT missing the timing.
ah yes, the episode where the strongest deck goes 0-2 and a pile of cards goes 2-0
In fairness to Doug there… while he beat Purr 3 of 4 times, all of those games required some punting by Gage.😂
"In Vegas all the oranges have money in them."
I love the idea that there's this Magician's guild in Vegas that uses magicians as a front for controlling the production of money that grows in oranges. And the only guy actually doing a trick is the guy with the lemon.
I'm pretty sure at this pont, they inhaled so much gas they forgot there was a leak at all
at this point, they'd have to be so inflated with gas, they'd be a gas giant.
7:00 unironically not to be a MBT meat rider but I think a big part of his sealed evolving was just playing against Mbt with every sealed pack and in so many sealed formats and since you’re kinda addicted to 10 minute testing and you know the randomest decks really well he just had to get better rather than be clowned on yk like genuinely playing against a guy who plays every deck kinda made doug better at getting each deck and what’s the best to know, like I believe you’re a good part of it
Bro managed to take turns while one person is just a commentator 😂 but fr I’d say yea Doug has been doing this for 6 seasons and is playing against people who have play tested a boatload of decks
@@Finalslashesyea that’s what I’m sayin, like farfa isn’t the best cause he still really only ever plays BA or scripted combos, while Joseph practices with the worst things you’ll ever see, feel like that means by playing Joseph ya kinda just learn more
Joseph was losing his shit during the ruling thing when this interaction was literally the first ruling question on coder's game show where joseph himself was the host
Ps: although it is understandable that he forgot since it was 2 years ago
I do like that Joesph said exactly what I was thinking about Gage’s purrely deck not being as good as the other two were hyping it up to be.
50:47 Dispatchparazzi's on destruction effect is a when conditional (not activatable unless it reaches the condition at the end of the resolution), which is important because the last thing that happened in the entire battle is that the sent to the gy is being overwritten by the banish effect via Areadbhear's effect, not the battle destruction, thus missing the timing. It's not an easy one to know 100% how it'll work, but hilariously, the exact same question was on the Duelist Aptitude test. Mirrorjade in a similar situation cannot activate his effect because his effect is based on a condition, that is that the fusion summoned card leaves the field because of an opponent's card, which would be fulfilled, except if it's banished right after it leaves the field before the chain is resolved, thus missing the timing for the conditional
Btw, the reason why the MD client doesn't give you the "missed the activation timing" is because there was no activation involved. It's a conditional, and the game won't tell you if you missed timing for a conditional (denoted by :)
In the next ep, you can also see that Dispatchparazzi's conditional effect is activatable after it was sent to the GY and the damage step has resolved. At that point, the last thing that happened was Dispatchparazzi's battle destruction
It's not actually an issue of a when. It's the Benten VS DD Crow ruling. If it missed timing, Master Duel would have actually said so
There is already a ruling for this interaction but you are correct
MBT in his gage gobbler arc
NVM he's glazing farfa hard
Ok about crash battle phase effect. If you noticed the animation when the card crash it not only crack but also got pop animation. Dragunity immediately banish it before the second animation
Do
Mbt also did this scenario too coder in his does coder know unchained rulings video that if a zoo chaukenine (don't know if i spelled it correctly) that has the effect after battle calc banish the aruha the aruha will not trigger despite it being destroyed
If you want to get a full explanation on this interaction, the most well known example of this strange interaction is the Benten vs DD Crow ruling, where, despite DD Crow not negating, it completely prevents Benten from activated if tributed as cost. Basically, the card doesn't think it was destroyed by battle as it changed zones (it WOULD still work if it was banished by the continuous effect of a D Fissure or Macro Cosmos).
@@Sassaparilla
Lowkey one if the worst rulings in YGO, it makes almost no sense to anyone who has played the game, and it confused people every time it comes up.
MBT on Doug: a heartfelt compliment on how he's become a better sealed duelist over time
MBT on Farfa: a heartfelt compliment on how much better looking he is now
MBT on Gage: move your head you fuck 😂
mfw Areadbhair says " ...after damage calculation: You can banish that opponent's monster. " and not " ...any card sent to the GY is banished *instead.* "
It's not redirection so the Dispatchparazzi left it's trigger location (from what I understand about current rules. This Ruling is weird AF if that's not the case)
So, it's the Benten Vs DDcrow Ruling if you didn't know. Same happens if you tribute a Benten as cost, and then it gets banished by Crow. This would not be the case if it was banished by Macro Cosmos. It isn't just the fact that it didn't go to the graveyard, that is just one of the symptoms required for this to occur.
@@Sassaparilla The Leaving the Triggered location was the only thing I could think of on why it'd fail. Like I said in my Original comment; if it's not "Leaving the Triggered location" then this ruling is a classic "Konami said so".
Listening to 4 grown men talk over each other about Chuck E. Cheese is wild, man
4:50 - Wow! I'm surprised MBT said that considering he's the throat GOAT for Min Min!
53:40 - WHOA! Cheating on Min Min with Farfa *AND* his wife?!?
Doug out here opening more secret packs in one pack then Gage did in ten.
Doug truly has become HIM. He's him, he's been him. He will continue to be him. He's here to kill and eat his opps.
i would listen to doug mundanely speak about movies forever
From my understanding of the card text, first the battle occurs, then which person lost the battle is decided and thus which monster is destroyed, then damage calculation, then destruction is processed. It is only after destruction is processed does the effect trigger, so it would appear as if the effect only triggers once the monster hits the graveyard. There's a brief window before destruction is processed but after damage calculation where Gage's effect can activate. The monster gets banished before destruction can be processed, and banishment overrides destruction so the destruction never occurs. This is effectively a negation to effects that activate due to being destroyed, and can (probably) also occur if the card is shuffled before destruction.
Additional context, Areadbhair is quite honestly just another example of Konami not being able to decide on when destruction occurs so, the yugioh community just has to jump through hoops and further break down phases into specific subsections just to explain why destruction technically can occur both before and after damage calculation, and whether an effect triggers before something is sent to the graveyard or before banish effects can occur depends on whether it says "before damage calculation".
55:29 I see, the reason Farfa throw is that MBT can quit yugioh.
I'll defend the Purrely hits for one reason. If Gage went into the pack a second time, he could build something better than just Beauty Control.
9:27 farfa predicted his 1-9 lol
55:47 I swear rulings like this is why the battle phase is so fucking confusing to understand. just has a bunch of what feels like made up bullshit
To be fair, it is not a BP exclusive ruling. It just also affects those effects
What hurts most is how bad they are at dealing with geb
50:10 *Joseph jump + Suprised Pikachu*
I think the reason the link monster doesn’t trigger is the same ruling as Drytron tribute Benten chain d.d.crow
A monster needs to be in the same location where it met its trigger in order to activate.
So the link attacks the synchro and is destroyed by battle but the synchro banishes it “after damage calculation” so it’s no longer in the same location where it met it’s trigger, so it doesn’t activate.
I think this the same answer Coder gave when Mbt quizzed him on this exact scenario with unchained
Yeah, which is why it would work under macro cosmos; because it stays where it met its activation condition. On the other hand, I feel that even if it did not work like that, it would be ruled that it was banished by Areadbhair's effect instead of destroyed by battle which in a way is the same explanation.
@@yunfanji it’s was still destroyed by battle with the synchro, nothing gets overridden by the banish effect
@@jk844100 yeah I know, which is why a hypothetical scenario. Also a reference to silly interactions of destroying by effect during the damage step where it does in fact override
Damn it, I started watching this episode today (holding out for the reaction) and this comes out the same day, just my luck (although always good to support the original release too)
I wish last place just got an extra 5 packs for the banlist episode, rather than two extra bans. Being able to get two 10 pulls from the same pack, or a 10 pull from 2 different packs, can be pretty impactful, and I personally would rather see Farfa get a power up, then have everyone else brought down to Farfa's level.
Does Gage just... Not know that Dragunity Glow has a graveyard effect? lol
Wonder when gage will acknowledge he basically has a duel avatar deck lmao
Leesssss Go New Saga Reaction!!!
You definitely should not be able to open a single pack of a set, to craft 1 specific genericly good card to then open the rest of another pack. Craft should definitely go to the pack that you open 10 of
In the manga Pegasus J. Crawford is British
Usually I defend obscure rulings in Yugioh but this one I don't like because it wasn't intuitive. It has to do with monsters leaving their position before having a chance to activate or something.
53:40
Ayo mbt played warcraft3? Love him even more.
Been waiting for this reaction. Just for the irony of nyhmnim plays.
Unless I'm confused Areadbhair banished stopped the destruction from resolving so it didn't trigger
No, because it does get destroyed. It's due to an obscure ruling, most known for how Benten VS DD Crow.
Yubel vs Mikanko
All the main cast and the Kaibas are Japanese
4Kids americanized everyone and did so badly
Yeah, them being Japanese makes their designs basically the perfect example of Japanese character design.
If you want to know why an anime character is designed a certain way (at least prior to 2015, when they went all in on pandering to the west with garbage), there's a YGO DM character to explain the concept with.
They're not necessarily the best design of that concept, but it's really easy to understand them all in just one single place.
@@RunicSigils "pandering to the west" You have no worth as a human holy hell
Yeah as a non american I kinda hate how much people push the dub and the whole "Lol Brooklyn accent"
@@RunicSigils Also That pandering bit is pretty pathetic bro, You sound like grummz
@@javsandartsKinda telling on yourself if you think comparing someone to grummz is an insult.
I can't wait until the next episode. It's very mulchpilled
yugitubers getting this ruling wrong makes me remember whiptail really is 7 years old
Man, I used to love watching Yugioh for Real Men
I wanna point that somehow ~40% of yugi players and ~90% of yugitubers have ADHD and also MBT is not gay (on Farfa).
MBT if you read this comment i will tell you how Farfa wasn't able to use his monsters effect.
None of them read the card. It was gages card. Gage didn't read his own card. His card Dragunity Draft has a second effect. It makes it immune during the damage step and because it is getting banish it doesn't get to destroy anything. Once the damage step is over the card basically fizzles out.
If anyone wants to say that it wasn't because of Dragunity Draft then go read the battle rulings of a destroyed monster. The monster is consider destroyed at the damage step anything after the damage step doesn't matter because everything triggers during the damage step before you go back into the battle step. Also i know Draft says "attacks" yeah so does some of the Kashtira cards that as the same but if you attack them their effects can be activated and it doesn't say on any card that does this "If your monster attacks or is attacked" You can read Fenrir and you can read Jet Dragon. Draft protected the card through the damage step which meant farfa card just fizzled out because it couldn't destroy a unaffected monster.
Draft has no effect on why the dispatchparazzi didnt trigger. For one, the draft only applies when the Dragunity monster attacks. Kashtira monsters also dont trigger when they are attack so I dont know why you cited them. The dispatchparazzi just didnt trigger here because after being banished during after damage calc it is no longer treated as having been destroyed by battle
someone in the chat already gave that explanation and he explained why it's not correct.
also the kashtira monster effects *will not* activate if they get attacked, don't know how you got that in your head.
monster effects that activate when attacking or when attacked will be templated as "if this card battles an opponent's monster" or "when an attack is declared involving this monster."
Man i really hope the "ADHD isnt real" thing is a bit
It is a stream bit. He just likes being mean to twitch chat.
Guys what is this channel name
The Age of Gage is Nigh!
@50:30 I fucking hate Yugioh lol
fartfa lmao
Mbt is just quirky northern lion