The Alfa Romeo 4C is the Sketchiest Modern Car Sold Today
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- Опубликовано: 2 дек 2020
- The Alfa Romeo 4C. Lightweight, no power steering, carbon fiber monocoque, turbocharged, and raw. So how did this anomaly of a car ever get released? Let's go for a drive and talk about it! Thanks for watching and new uploads every Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday!
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If only more car companies made cars like these.
Yeah
Hey David I sent you an email about a car review a while back, and haven't heard back from you yet.
It's an 800whp 6 speed single turbo 335i, I know you've driven slower ones but this is what I'd really call a German 2JZ
One word lotus shame you guys don't get anything other than the evora in the us. Try this of you ever get the chance an exige cup 430 or elise s3. Exige is 430 hp and around 1100kg. S3 elise is 950kg and 220 hp both proper raw manual and no assists
Like Honda for example
@@adamj41 😳😳💨
It's strange how the 4C doesn't have power steering, but doesn't come with a manual
Because the auto is faster in this example and also auto sells
@@DoctorTauri but it could be argued that with power steering it would be even faster, but it doesn't have that (maybe it's just optional to not have power steering)
It is all about tight packaging for weight and the edgy handling and power delivery with high and sudden torque on the back wheels. Its hyper character would mean a manual would take away from the experience. trust me. You need both handa on the wheel and 100% concentration at all times or it will try to kill you often 🤣 Most fun you can have on 4wheels though.
@@flori5117 why would it be faster with power steering? technically a powersteering pump would sap power from the engine...
You don't need power steering once it's moving it's perfectly weighted just annoying when parking in car park
“monocog”, thank you demonetization
That makes so much sense now. I was wondering "...does he not know how to pronounce that word?"
That would demonetize it?
@@andrewreynolds8100 iTs mOnOc0Ck
@@joeschmoe5009 I'm not entirely sure how RUclips works in regards to monetization, but given the fact that the last half of "Monocoque" is pronounced like a male chicken, I wouldn't be surprised if they flag it for some reason.
@@andrewreynolds8100 well youtube is stupid
Imagine this car with the Busso V6
Or perhaps the giulia V6 that would be great
@@corollavirus4age V6 turbo would be crazy at that weight lol
@@FlightX101 exactly! might aswell right?
Full deathtrap!
@@corollavirus4age A 3.2L Busso though... uuugh. That's what dreams are made of.
@@nvl2691 ah yes it does sound incredible.....buut its not in production anymore, thats why i suggested the V6 from the giulia
This man just raised the market price of this car
Literally go buy one now
Anyone who has ever owned an Alfa knows that it will never be worth anything, although it might make a really good parts car for someone else’s Alfa !
@@jeffzekas idk man I want a Giulia as a daily
@@jeffzekas what
doubtful. few people go throwing about 50k without research. and it doesn't take much research to find the maintenance horror stories with this car
I own a 4c spider, it offers a experience that no other car can give you, and it is a monster on track it can keep up with beast of cars that cost 3x as much. Just change tires to pilot sport and that fixes the sketchy feeling of steering and get wider tires, the car can push so hard that tires give out before the chassis
depends on the track
The Lotus Exige or Elise give better experience than 4c
@@erewhon751 no way
@@shabbos-goy9407 absolutely. Not even close. The 4c is well known for some squirrelly steering around 80 mph
The Porsche cayman GTS takes both cars and spits them out!! 😂
The 4C is just Alfa Romeo saying "What if we made an MR2... But Italian?"
exactly
I wonder how reliable these engines are.
No.
@@4m4z1n-grace8 “no”
Or maybe they said: "Let's make an X1/9, but fast." Because the X1/9 came out more than a decade earlier than the MR2.
A very underrated italian beauty
Well it’s not advertised well and of course Alfa quality which has always been very poor
*Under 300 HP and its still one quick boi.*
Don't need high hp to have big pp
Its quick to 60 but the quarter mile is abysmal. Not sure why? the 180hp version of the civic smokes it... WTF.... *Edit* for some reason when you google it the quoted stat is 15.5.... the magazines testing it though got high 12s, that's darn good.
@@Jakalwarrior I was gonna say it was under 13 seconds which is fast ash haha
This car is about handling and driver experience. Only us yanks care about quarter mile times
@@kim99jung big PP
My dad ordered one in 2013 as a joke, 2 years later we got a call from the dealership. I learned how to drive in this car on our little mountain roads in middle germany. Please let there be more cars like this in the future!!
As a joke? Zamn I think it would be pretty funny if he got one for me as a joke too
Alfa, Lotus, and Alpine are the kings of making super cars that one can actually realistically hope to afford
4c owner here. I’ve had countless other supercars but this one that I got for 31k is easily the favorite of the bunch. As weird as that is to say. So much soul in this little car.
That’s so dope man
Where’d you get one for 31k?!
How many miles, been reliable??
@@cbarber5366 I bought a clean title light body damage car with 7k miles. Got it right as covid started so it was having trouble selling, perfect timing I guess!
@@Z3sty367 dead reliable. I’ve taken so many long trips in it already and have done nothing but absolutely thrash it. I bought it at 7k last summer and I’ve already put 10k miles on in 9 months, and I’ve done nothing but 3 oil changes. It’s a pretty simple car, even if it ever needs serious work I don’t think it would be difficult.
This is why I love Alfa Romeos, and own one myself. You have to experience it to understand it.
Miata: “Weeeeeeb!!”
4C: “HEY! WE’RE ROADSTAS OVA HERE!!🤌🏼
I was ready to slam your review based on the title. The 4C is my favorite ride I have ever had under $100K. I also have a Stelvio QV which is fast as F. Alfa is now my favorite manufacturer. I hope they survive. Nice review buddy
These things are cool. Fantastic weekend car imo but from what I hear it's unpredictable at the limit so I probably wouldn't track it
I'd probably still track it
This isn't the kind of car to track for times. It will lose to more powerful, more predictable cars. This is the kind of car to challenge your skills with.
@@canto_v12 yes
@@canto_v12 but also no
Yes its unpredictable and when grip gives out it doesnt warns you, buddy of mine had one, tracked, touge, backroads etc. one day got into a bumpy section on a backroad grip gave out like snap steer and totaled it. I still miss driving it it was a fucking blast
Man I’ve got to drive this car.
I have driven this car model in the Launch edition. It doesn't need power steering. I have EPAS in my racecar and take the fuse out when I race it. It gives me better feel. I have always had manual racecars for 50 years. I want a DCT. I want it for the quick shifts, I want it for never missing a gear. Strange how all F1 cars, rally cars and road race cars are either DCT or a sequential gearbox. The only real disadvantage of a DCT is the gearbox will not allow you to left foot brake into corners with some accelerator input. This is a car that you get up at 4 am to drive your special mountain section. This is not the car you take to the shops for a carton of milk, that car has power steering and it will be an auto.
Everyone: Monocoque
This guy: Monocog
The Elise/Exige may still be the sketchy road race car masters, but the 4C certainly is a beautiful contender
Youre forgetting all the lancias
I mean, it has a sub 1000kg weight, power steering isn't that bad to not have when you have little weight, and what there is of it is sat behind you.
In general alfas are kinda sketchy, but absolute works of art (lets ignore some of the 80s-2000s stuff, they are a tad odd).
In general the 4c is one of those unicorns among the industry, simple, lightweight, doesn't try to sell itself through immense power or specs, have seen and heard some irl, and let me tell you, they sound magnificent even with being pretty darn loud.
I own an Alfa Romeo 4C Spider and folks don't quite believe me when I tell them that it delivers one of the best driving experiences, period, price no object. It's that good. I've driven lots of exotic stuff, but there's precious little out there that you can buy that delivers as much fun.
I forget these exist and then I see one and remember it’s truly my dream car, it’s a spicy Miata 😂
Same
Yeah, but without that pesky reliability. Or value retention. Which is a shame
Or a manual trans.
@@olikat8 Modern alfas are a lot better than the old ones. The engine is reliable for what it is. I have almost 4 years of experience with the 1750 tbi which is in the 4c and it has been very good.
Dont even compare it to a miata😂
I love the 4C it's my all time dream car! I tell people about it all the time!
@The Emperor not even close bud, try doubling that
@The Emperor your comment doesn't even make sense lol
I love these cars so much, so happy you got your hands on one David!
Great video as always but it's engine is the same 1.75tbi as the one in the Alfa Romeo giulietta qv/veloce not a 1.4tjet.
Greetings from Spain!!
It's probably different in the states.
Spain 😍
@@somedudeinatunnel3102 no it’s not different in the states. I have an Abarth and it has the 1.4, but Carlos is right, the 4C has the 1.75 of the Giulietta! Greetings from Italy!!
The engine in the 4C is a revised version of the 1.75 TBI out of the giulietta cloverleaf. And they put that engine in the 2014 - 2016 giulietta quadrifoglio verde with the TCT gearbox. Plus the 4C does 40 to the gallon. (MPG)
I understood from Alfa's promotional material the 4C's engine was developed specifically for the 4C, using the architecture of the existing, normally aspirated, iron block unit. The 4C's all aluminum turbo unit was then fitted into the Giulietta for the Quad version of that car.
I've owned several mid-engine cars and every one of 'em loved to hang their ass out even at the slightest hint of power. Not frightening...just a reminder that you are there to "drive it." Matter of fact it's that reason that made me want to drive 30 miles outside of town for a half gallon of milk.
That sketchiness you're talking about is purity my friend
Bro I watched one of your older videos before I watched this one, your editing and confidence on the mic, especially at the beginning of the video has improved so much 👌 I hope the almighty algorithm pushes this one into the stratosphere lol
Unfortunately a Hellcat on 24s will get more attention than this beauty.
thats the kind of car style i like. along with mazda miata, saturn sky, and pontiac solstice
Loved the editing change up you got going on! Nice format!
The 4C is one of my favourite modern cars, if not my favourite modern car. The fact that a modern car doesn’t have power steering and you can turn off TCS and STC to make it become a monster. Though the Lotus Exige is a competitor.
Thank you! Love my 4C, ❤️❤️ à tune makes her fly, and gets you in the supercar club!
Ultimate dream car! Looks so fun! Have to get in one soon.
really like the abarth comparisons. nice video!
Probably the best sounding factory 4 cylinder I've ever heard.
Great video, David!
I hope some mad lad do an engine swap to a 4c with the V6 busso engine. That would be awesome!
I remember seeing a few years ago some dude was working on getting the Giulia/stelvio quadrifoglio motors into one. Not sure if he was successful or not
Great video! Looks like a lot of fun.....
when i was at work at sears point/ sonoma raceway. a few years ago, alfa romeo had some test cars there. i drove in my 1984 alfa romeo, the alfa guys( from Italy came over to see a classic car.. while i was talking to them, a 4c parked about 2 meters away and was at high revs.. i asked them how loud is it inside? with a smile, they said the sound insulation.. was........ one dust bunny ....under the passenger seat for comfort....
😂
I drove one of these for a half hour during a 3-hour tour switching between five different supercars. A Lamborghini huracan, a Ferrari spider, mustang GT500 Shelby, a standard Corvette stingray and this alha was by far the most exciting to drive and a little scary LOL I I got stuck at a red light and when it turned green I got on it while making a left turn and it scared the shit out of my girlfriend
Someone who lives around me has one of these, they're like a cute lil bullet
Nice video brotha keep it up 💙🦾
Nice to see you drive that car. Btw it actually doesn't have the 1.4 litre Fiat Abarth engine. It has the 1.75 TBi also found in the Giulietta QV and also the 159. Sadly the engine is not offered anymore here in Germany because of emissions regulations
Don’t tell them, the non-car ppl will buy it and make prices go up for us.
Well this is kind of a car person channel.
I highly doubt a non car person would buy this car, atleast not after they drive it.
Non car people want 22inch wheels, and Instagram posts.
They really don't seem to have depreciated all that much as it is. At around $50,000 It's still way unattainable for me at least. I've seen older Audi TT RS's go for almost half that.
@@FUNKOfilms higher mileage cars will be around 40 if that makes a difference for you.
That red paint is BEAUTIFUL ... I’m drooling. 🤤
I just bought a Giulia. It’s such a good drive
Are they reliable?
@@whiteafricannun3377 Probably not haha
@@sategllib2191 you're probably right. It's a shame they make some really good looking cars imo.
@@whiteafricannun3377 I’ve only had it for 2 weeks. It has 45k miles on it and has been great. So it’s tough to say. I hear that they can have their quirks though.
Yes, most of them are pretty reliable, especially the 2.0T. No worse than others in the segment, and better than the C class Mercedes. A few owners get pretty annoying electronic that typically get sorted out under warranty. Your experience should be pretty decent if you get a MY18 and up and don't have a weird dealer to be stuck with.
Love the 4c. With down force added and sticky tires its basicly a mixed driving style of a 911 & 05 Ford gt on a budget.
I remember driving one that I found on Turo... wow is it a completely different experience from any other car I’ve drivin
6:08 Placing the window switches on the console eliminates having to have a second switch for the passenger window. Saves about 4 ounces!
I have seriously been debating getting one for awhile now. I recently just bought my wife an Alfa Romeo Stelvio and it’s an absolute blast to drive.
For the longest time I thought these were actually Lotus based, thanks for the heads up!
Wow never new these were this badass; mad respect for them now
Looks like a fun ride!
I own one and it delivered to me more than I expect it. it is nimble, easy to drive, easy controls to understand, before you know it, the car is apart of you. It tells you the road you are in so that you can compensate and correct if you need to fast. You can also swing the back end at will because it is easy if you are listening to the car. Funny to say that but it is true, it does not hide the road from you as many other cars do. I am not spoiled, I am independent an I don't like to be babied, This car is it. If I mess up is because I did it knowing in full what I was getting into. Alfaromeo did great!
Oh man that thing hooks..nice launch MR. Blue
I used to drive a hot hatch with the same engine the guiliatta qv loved it
I remember driving 1.5 hours to the mountains to reset a check engine light on this 4C before David started reviewing it. It would have been a dull review if he could only drive it in ‘Natural’. Loving my 4C! Truly unlike any other sports car today.
I love this car and honestly if you get the chance to go to Europe I’d love for you to review the Alpine A110 as though we don’t get them here in USA, it’s marketed as a competitor to the “hatchback powered sportscar” market thats in the 4c
My buddy Nick owns this car, cool asf dude, I hope to be driving my stang alongside his Alfa in April on TOTD
Guilia QV for the daily,4C for the weekend track/backroad warrior👌🏽🔥🔥
Love those roads you are on
I saw a white one local to me, and my jaw dropped. It made me wanna buy an expensive Espresso machine and a Vespa.
I was watching the video and was like, "This thing is like an Italian Lotus Exige." Then at 3:50 you pretty much said that. Great minds, lol.
One of my friends bought a modified 4c Spyder. I was like, "your crazy!" but that's why we're friends lol. Cool car.
Interesting car! Wouldn’t get it for myself, but it’s very cool.
If I had the money ide buy one and convert it to manual.
@@fortheloveofnoise The list of automatic cars I'd buy is a handful and it features cares like Aventador. If the car is not super extreme, I want a manual. However, I NEVER think about manual when driving the 4C. That would be like dating a supermodel and being bothered by the fact she has no big toe. When you are driving this amazing car, you not worried about manual. It's the first automatic car I've bought by the way. I normally hate paddles.
I feel like the 4C is like the FRS/BRZ/Miata of the Mid-Engine world, its not very fast but has an incredible driving experience that you have to work for. I love it
Remember the MR2? This is a carbon fiber DCT italian MR2
Remember the MR2? This is a carbon fiber DCT italian MR2
Except the 4C is faster, handles better and is more exotic than those three. Apples to oranges, I'm afraid.
@@davidturgeon2087 Yeah exactly! It's not direct comparison by any means
"but to us, we think it's cool."
Damn f**kin right.
Thanks for letting me come out David!
Also, be sure to check out the 4C build on my Instagram @N.ck
Your IG is awesome! Congrats on car.
This specific engine is also been used in the newer giulietta qv's, its has a full alu engine. The steel 1750 is used in the older giulietta qv's, it had 235 hp. The 1750 in the 159, brera, spider and Lancia Delta had a different turbo. That engine made 210 hp
Probably the most beautiful car I've ever seen. This one is on the bucket list for sure. It seems very raw and uncompromising in the same way the 370Z is; a pure sports car that puts function over form to the Nth degree, while still managing to be jaw-droppingly gorgeous.
Bro the 370Z is like an M3 compared to this car, completely different league.
I was lucky enough to drive a 4C from Roswell NM to Seminole TX and I hit 144mph before I let off... wow, feels like 170 sitting so low
I was looking through your videos and I didn’t see a accord one! You should review a 5th gen accord!!:)
This is the car that got me into alfa's back in the day
Back in the day?! It's from 2013!
@@dommy114 as a 20 year old 7 years ago is a huge chunk of my life, almost half
@@OnsideHaddock72 Grow up
@@dommy114 whatever
I would love one of these as a weekend sunny day car.
The 1750TBi is such a great engine. I have it in my Alfa Romeo 159 and it's great. Almost no turbo lag and plenty of power trhough the whole register. They have even used it in asias F3 pushed to 270hp. To bad my car sounds like a vacuum cleaner and not even close to the 4C.
why is this the first time im finding out about this amazing automobile
I use to live in Knoxville TN and remember seeing one of these drive around. I’m thinking it might have been this one.
I live 30 min North of Knoxville and I can say the same!
his instagram is @N.CK
I second this statement
@@vannthemann4858 that’s correct
It’s so cool 4c should be more popular
Ive loved these cars ever since I sat in one a couple of years back in a dealership - would have bought it on the spot if I had the money then. Buying a new weekend car next year and have the 4C on my shortlist along with:
- Elise 111R
- Elise Sport 250
- Audi RS5 (V8 version)
- Maserati GranTurismo
- Porsche 981 Boxter
Most raw car on the market though? I would have thought an Elise / Exige/ Caterham would be more raw?
*FUTURE CLASSIC*
This guy that used to live in my neighborhood had one and the thing would burble just driving the speed limit down the road it was awesome
Yey an alfa on this channel!
RUclips suggested me to you again I forgot all about you man I'll see you in any of your videos in years
Suggested you to me
Say the B pillar reminds me of the new 2020 supra
🗣"The b pillar reminds me of the new 2020 supra"
In 40 years, best of show at Pebble Beach.
Looks amazing
Car is amazing. One of my dream cars.
What the hell was that Stelvio you flashed us that thing looks sick plz do a video showcasing that one!
These and ND Miatas are 🔥
One of my dream cars.... maybe someday
This is actually my dream car so i hope Ill own one :D
If this Alfa were available with a manual gearbox, I would lust after it. But, not only was there no manual, the paddlebox shifts were also reported to be very clunky. For me, even a really good semi-auto is a deal breaker. Gotta have an H-pattern shifter, and the opportunity to enjoy the process of shifting gears, to be a proper driver's car. The decision not to offer a true manual, and the use of this harsh dual-clutch, killed this otherwise fantastic little car.
yeah, I said the SAME thing. Then got to drive one. I think it's the only car I've ever driven that a manual might not make sense. I can't even describe it beyond needing both hands on the wheel when you start to push it and click those video game steering wheel mounted paddles
💯💯
Yo Dave we miss you in the discord my guy.
I would suggest everyone in the "but it's not manual!" camp first go and drive one before they comment 😂 If you understand and experienced how edgy and nervous the steering and handling is, paired with the low weight (EU specs cars are 2000lb...) you will understand that a manual would detract from the driving experience in this unique case. The rest of the the raw experience more than makes up for the lack of a clutch pedal... You need both hands on the wheel and 150% concentration AT ALL times or it will try to kill you every chance it gets 😂 I drive mine daily. Pure joy. If there was a high revving N/A engine option like a v6 that would work in manual, but having the torque to weight ratio of a GTR or an early C63AMG with sudden delivery to the back wheels when the boost hits... you will want to have all your reflexes and energy focussed on the job at hand 😉 (And I have manual classic Alfas and race cars so not an auto fan)
Hey David, do you prefer this or the Robin themed supercharged FRS you did?
Alfa romeo getting back to do what they do best high performance pure fun cars
@2:36 The closest competitor is a Lotus Exige Cup 260. It is even faster than it at similar performance.
In Gran Turismo Sport there’s a 4C GR.3 Road car with a Widebody and OMG , it makes me want to get one and widebody it the same way.
all alfa's have this driver experience focus like no other. Alfa dont care about electronics and lazy stuff, just you and the car.
Except the SUV they have in their line up
So why no manual
@@saneepeopleonly Apparently, a manual transmission was judged to be poorly matched with the 1.75L turbo engine. For example, the quick shifting TCT keeps the engine boost on boil, while the shift timing (in auto) and shift speed is electronically adjusted to suit whichever Alfa 'DNA' driving mode is selected. It's a pretty slick system.